Henry240:
Senegalese Navy OPV-45

45 meters


Nigerian shipyards should ordinarily have no problem building OPVs like this. Instead of always importing vessels from abroad building local capacity to deliver on time and in quality should be our priority.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MVS-CAnDls

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9MasGFTqi8

Henry240:

In the absence of tankers.

MikeCZAR:
Forward operating bases or logistics bases.

Henry240:


Proper FOBs.

africaken:
have we even ever had our own african exercise RED FLAG !

Centrifude:


Raising an AU SF Battalion is a great idea but outsourcing their training would be a Completely dumb idea, it would be better to keep their training within African parameters. You can't seriously tell me that we don't have in Africa what Belarus has to offer.

I'm am more than certain that each member state of the AU would be able to contribute some form of high level Expertise with regards to training an SF unit. The one thing we would need to do is to conduct sufficient research to determine what each country can offer, it will take a lot of time and money but it is the best answer in the long run.

Each African country is definitely an expert at some form of SF skill.

For Example Zimbabwe could offer a CQB course, Tanzania Jungle training, Egypt Desert Warfare, DRC ambush or guerilla tactics Etc...

I only used those countries as examples I'm not saying that they are actual experts in those fields I hope you all see that.

Fact is everything we need is already here in Africa.

Patchesagain:


African nations have the capabilities to train their own SF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eFU_r_H_gg

agaugust:


African nations cannot even train their regular troops effectively, they need foreign help, not to talk of training SF

Flintlock, etc

Africa is still using British SF to train ordinary Rangers on how to stop Rhino poaching, so where are your African SF ? You think everybody has the talent and training to train others and impart knowledge effectively? No.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrSxJHmal4

Even the military of Ukraine is being trained by SF from Canada and Britain in anti-rebel military combat 2016 as we speak. Better swallow pride and get help to build a good foundation. Even USA that has a proud army is getting COIN training from private military companies to fight COIN combat, why don't the US army just rely on training themselves? Let us learn to face facts in Africa.

agaugust:


African nations cannot even train their regular troops effectively, they need foreign help, not to talk of training SF

Flintlock, etc

Africa is still using British SF to train ordinary Rangers on how to stop Rhino poaching, so where are your African SF ? You think everybody has the talent and training to train others and impart knowledge effectively? No.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrSxJHmal4

Even the military of Ukraine is being trained by SF from Canada and Britain in anti-rebel military combat 2016 as we speak. Better swallow pride and get help to build a good foundation. Even USA that has a proud army is getting COIN training from private military companies to fight COIN combat, why don't the US army just rely on training themselves? Let us learn to face facts in Africa.

Patchesagain:


South Africa needs no training and is well equipped to provide training - those countries you listed need training because their military institutions have no experience in that type of combat.

So, South Africa/Egypt/Algeria/Morocco and many countries of that teir are well placed to train others.

agaugust:


Which COIN war has South Africa fought in the last 25 years to have modern day COIN experience to train another country ?

denisfidha:

Every African country that has faced problems has built some form of capacity to train its own soldiers, lets not rely on a few western media 5 minute videos that make it seem like they saved the world by giving a hand......(did you see how they equated their traing to no loss of rhinos? that was probably just a coincidence, its not like poachers kill a rhino every day in the same camp) Those rangers bieng trained by the British in SA could have just been private guards given rifles to protect animals, with no previous paramilitary training

In Kenya, the British train in archers post camp, but they don't train Kenya army, at least not basic training The Kenya army has its own training fields near there, The difference between African armies and the rest of armies is Africans might not have the will for large scale excersize using advanced equipment which makes training more effective and real, even without live ammunition.

One thing is true though, armies need to learn the best of each other, no shame in that....... But I dont think that we are not capable of building our own capacity.... I would agree if you said we just dont give it priority as africans, I mean before the british army sends its troops, they give anual fee of 58million pounds directly to the kenyan govt, thats about 6million dollars a month, the troops come via commercial planes so thats an additional transport cost, then there is fuel for their vehicles, food, and they also have to pay a fee for the local comunity......All this just so they can tain in an area that has a similar terrain like that you find in Iraq and afghanistan,..... Can you think of any sub-saharan African country that is willing to invest that much into army training and send 10,000 fully equipped troops to a foreign country, and make sure they are fully self-sustained without depending on the help of the hosting country for food, ammunition, fuel, transport, weapons?

agaugust:


Which COIN war has South Africa fought in the last 25 years to have modern day COIN experience to train another country ?

Henry240:


Those aren't the reasons. It has nothing to do with corruption or western dependency.

africaken:
we lost one of our F-5 jets in somali due to technical fault ,planes bought on the second hand market from jordan. there were claims they were unairworthy and a few high ranking officers were forced to resign due to their procurement.so many african air force have an airlift capability but still we depend on Americans,as we speak there is corruption allegations in weapons procurement in nigeria,isn't it true! how much do you think it cost nigeria military capability.some of the most richest countries in africa are in sub-sahara but when you look at their weapons procurement you get shocked

Patchesagain:



Apart from ied's replacing land-mines how has Coin changed?

Experience from Angola and Namibia is all the experience that we require

Henry240:


So what do we attribute the lost brand new Iraqi Air Force F-16 to ?

africaken:
we lost one of our F-5 jets in somali due to technical fault ,planes bought on the second hand market from jordan. there were[b]claims[/b] they were unairworthy and a few high ranking officers were forced to resign due to their procurement.so many african air force have an airlift capability but still we depend on Americans,as we speak there is corruption allegations in weapons procurement in nigeria,isn't it true! how much do you think it cost nigeria military capability. some of the most richest countries in africa are in sub-sahara but when you look at their weapons procurement you get shocked

africaken:
i told you our planes needed several months to be made airworthy,costing the tax payer extra you can't equate to that !