Patchesagain:


No - the report says UPON DELIVERY

And it is not even the full report which is an outline of how integration of the platforms was done

Even in 2010 partial integration had been done:

[color=#006600]The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA. [/color]
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242

Think before you post

Nope defenceweb is wrong he is being wrong like you guys too are wrong, most South Africans beleve Link Za is working accross platforms, but the TECHNICAL REPORT SAYS NO !!?

You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished.

Show me another technical report that cancels this one, not fairy tales from ordinary journalists on defenceweb magazine ...

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf


You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished
.

AugustineAgain:


Nope defenceweb is wrong he is being wrong like you guys too are wrong, most South Africans beleve Link Za is working accross platforms, but the TECHNICAL REPORT SAYS NO !!?

You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished.

Show me another technical report that cancels this one, not fairy tales from ordinary journalists on defenceweb magazine ...

Augustus

Have you read the abstract of the technical paper you posted here?

The paper outlines how the platforms were integrated


This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability.

Also, you are saying that Navy Flag Officer Fleet, Rear Admiral Robert “Rusty” Higg has no idea about his own vessels?

You messed up big time with your source

Patchesagain:



Augustus

Have you read the abstract of the technical paper you posted here?

The paper outlines how the platforms were integrated

Also, you are saying that Navy Flag Officer Fleet, Rear Admiral Robert “Rusty” Higg has no idea about his own vessels?

You messed up big time with your source

Nope, it is SANDF Link Za that messed up big time, according to South African experts FINAL TECHNICAL REPORT

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf


You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished
.

AugustineAgain:


Nope, it is SANDF Link Za that messed up big time, according to South African experts FINAL TECHNICAL REPORT

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf


You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished
.

1. So naval officer confirms it is operational


The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242

2. Paper outlines how it was integrated

This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability.


Again, read things before you post them

AugustineAgain:


The final report clearly says DELIVERY began 2005 after development and testing had been done. Ooerational delivery was done and Soweto tactical data link failed 80%, when it CANNOT do the real job of tactical datalink it is an 80% failure because all existibg platforms COULD NOT communicate with each other.

You Southies have been telling lies to us on Nairaland since year 2010.




That report of 2009 was the FINAL result after fully developing, testing, installing, deploying, and operating the LINK ZA on each type of platform that South Africa has, it was used on Gripen, jet, Hawk jet, Valour Frigate, Type 209 Submarine, Rooivalk Helicopter, G-6 Rhino Artillery, Olifant tank and etc.

The operational result was disappointing, as the tactical data-link ONLY worked on same equipment types, e.g Gripen to Gripen, it failed to work from jet aircraft to warship, helicopter to artillery, even Gripen jet and Hawk jet failed to commumicate as the disappointment was all round A to Z.

Now prove to me with credible source that the failure has changed to success as at today 2016, until you prove it the 2009 technical failure conclusive report remains current and final.

Don't post Reutech website for us here, the website information is not stated to be 2016, it has no date, and Reutech has been using that website even before Link ZA was completed, so it is posting old information, and the website does NOT say Link Za communicates across different types of platforms like aircraft to ship, it only says multiple platforms and that is like Gripen to Gripen only as the final report says while explaining the big disaponitment in operational performance of the failed made in Zulu land tactical data link.

South Africa has NO tactical datalink, what you have is an intranet for Gripen to Gripen, Valour to Valour, Rooivalk to Rooivalk type of communication.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

Case closed
.

Dude LinkZA standard has only been stabilized since the end of 2009 and full integration only started afterwards....so you can go on with this outdated source of yours but the fact remains we have a fully interoperable TDL and you dont.

Patchesagain:


1. So naval officer confirms it is operational


The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242

2. Paper outlines how it was integrated

This paper expands on the implementation evolution and challenges of the standard over the last 10 years and provides a generic TDL Capability Model with a strategy for establishing interoperability between different implementations of the standard, thus establishing a SANDF tactical Network Enabled Capability.


Again, read things before you post them

Thank you 10/10

Patchesagain:


1. So naval officer confirms it is operational


The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7077&catid=111&Itemid=242

2. Paper outlines how it was integrated


Again, read things before you post them

You should read before you post, stop sulking, I have wrecked SANDF tactical data link false claims. Go eat the humble pie.

1. The Navy officer did NOT say their ship is data linked to Gripen jet, that statement was made by the magazine journalist who has no knowledge of the technical failure report. The words of the navy are in quotation marks, the words of the journalist had no quotation, he was speaking his own mind loaded with error and ignorance of the technical failure report on Link ZA.

2. Paper outlines how it was integrated and failed to work from aircraft to artillery or ship to submarine, report says DISAPPOINTMENT !

SANDF has intra-net and not tactical data link, let that sink into y.our sk.ull.....never mind that I spoiled your weekend
.

jln115:

Dude LinkZA standard has only been stabilized since the end of 2009 and full integration only started afterwards....so you can go on with this outdated source of yours but the fact remains we have a fully interoperable TDL and you dont.

Show me new technical report that cancels this one.... http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

Your personal opinion is NOT a fact ! Show us technical proof.

AugustineAgain:


You should read before you post, stop sulking, I have wrecked SANDF tactical data link false claims. Go eat the humble pie.

1. The Navy officer did NOT say their ship is data linked to Gripen jet, that statement was made by the magazine journalist who has no knowledge of the technical failure report. The words of the navy are in quotation marks, the words of the journalist had no quotation, he was speaking his own mind loaded with error and ignorance of the technical failure report on Link ZA.

2. Paper outlines how it was integrated and failed to work from aircraft to artillery or ship to submarine, report says DISAPPOINTMENT !

SANDF has intra-net and not tactical data link, let that sink into y.our sk.ull.....never mind that I spoiled your weekend
.

1. The Rear Admiral confirms it.

1a. airforce General confirms it:

The SAAF will be using various sensors throughout the country to compile the radar picture. As the SAAF will be deploying mobile radar units to only the inland soccer venues, the SA Navy will deploy their frigates to the coastal venues, being Cape Town, Durban and Port Elizabeth. Gagiano says that the SAAF will “utilise the radar pictures from the navy ships – via Link ZA – for the total air picture around the stadiums close to the coast.”

"So all those sensors contribute to a recognised air picture and Gripen is one part of it, the ship radar is one part of it, our mobile radars, static radar, all these sensors are part and parcel of the input into one recognised air picture.”
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534

2. No, the paper says that upon delivery it failed to integrate, it then goes on to outline how it was integrated - abstract confirms it

You can go on repeating yourself, and I can go on quoting YOUR OWN SOURCE to prove you are wrong

I guess I just ruined your life

AugustineAgain:


Show me new technical report that cancels this one.... http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

Your personal opinion is NOT a fact ! Show us technical proof.

1. Admiral confirms it

2. Report itself confirms it

Your own source proves you are wrong

Patchesagain:


So the F16 Block 50 is better?

That platform model entered service in 1991

Gripen entered service in 1997

So you have just told us that the F16 block 50, which is 25 years old... Is better than the JF-17?

Brilliant

Does the part in bold even make any sense to you?


When did the F-18 enter service?

AugustineAgain:


Show me new technical report that cancels this one.... http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

Your personal opinion is NOT a fact ! Show us technical proof.

It's not an opinion it's fact:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534

Henry240:


Does the part in bold even make any sense to you?


When did the F-18 enter service?

What does the f18 have to do with anything?

jln115:


It's not an opinion it's fact:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534

Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood.

The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup.


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389

Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article]
Authors: Smith, CJ
Venter, JP
Keywords: Network enabling capabilities
Link-ZA
Interoperability
South African National Defence Force
SANDF
Tactical Data Links
Battlefield technology
Issue Date: Nov-2011
Publisher: Argos Press
Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that.
.

AugustineAgain:


Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood.

The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup.


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389

Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article]
Authors: Smith, CJ
Venter, JP
Keywords: Network enabling capabilities
Link-ZA
Interoperability
South African National Defence Force
SANDF
Tactical Data Links
Battlefield technology
Issue Date: Nov-2011
Publisher: Argos Press
Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that.
.

And your life is 100% miserable

Patchesagain:

What does the f18 have to do with anything?

What does the Block 52's service entry have to do with anything?

AugustineAgain:


Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood.

The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup.


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389

Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article]
Authors: Smith, CJ
Venter, JP
Keywords: Network enabling capabilities
Link-ZA
Interoperability
South African National Defence Force
SANDF
Tactical Data Links
Battlefield technology
Issue Date: Nov-2011
Publisher: Argos Press
Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that.
.

The data-link they keep bragging about is not even functional?..... LMFAO!

jln115:


PS/05 is the most modern pulse doplar Radar on the market....yes it lacks some advantages than AESA(also has a few advantages) but the Gripens tiny RCS makes up for this...also its still better than the PESA Radar most Russian fighters fly with.

Also it's the Gripens software that makes it 4++ Gen.

Lies lies lies !!!!

SAAF Gripen PS/05 radar is 25 year old obsoelete technology, how can that be the best in the world? Then all mechanical pulse doppler radars are inferior to PESA electronic radars, so how can Gripen fight Su-30 MK flanker?

http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/

More lies, Gripen jet RCS is huge, and thermal emission rating is bad engine characteristics with smoke coming out of it's engine like MiG-29 jet, we see Gripen jet engine puffing out thick black smoke in flight, that makes enemy sensors to detect the Gripen so easily.

Stop telling lies dude ! Even F-7 jet has better RCS and thermal emission rating than Gripen.

AugustineAgain:


Lies lies lies !!!!

SAAF Gripen PS/05 radar is 25 year old obsoelete technology, how can that be the best in the world? Then all mechanical pulse doppler radars are inferior to PESA electronic radars, so how can Gripen fight Su-30 MK flanker?

http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/

More lies, Gripen jet RCS is huge, and thermal emission rating is bad engine characteristics with smoke coming out of it's engine like MiG-29 jet, we see Gripen jet engine puffing out thick black smoke in flight, that makes enemy sensors to detect the Gripen so easily.

Stop telling lies dude ! Even F-7 jet has better RCS and thermal emission rating than Gripen.

WTF are you smoking bro?? The Gripen has an RCS of 0,1m2, the smallest of any none stealth fighter....also the PS/05 mk4 can track an 0.1m2 target at 120km...that's almost on par with some AESA radars on the market.

AugustineAgain:


Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood.

The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup.


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389

Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article]
Authors: Smith, CJ
Venter, JP
Keywords: Network enabling capabilities
Link-ZA
Interoperability
South African National Defence Force
SANDF
Tactical Data Links
Battlefield technology
Issue Date: Nov-2011
Publisher: Argos Press
Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that.
.

An SA Navy Admiral and SA Airforce commander disagree with your statement:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534

AugustineAgain:

Lies lies lies !!!!
SAAF Gripen PS/05 radar is 25 year old obsoelete technology, how can that be the best in the world? Then all mechanical pulse doppler radars are inferior to PESA electronic radars, so how can Gripen fight Su-30 MK flanker?
http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/
More lies, Gripen jet RCS is huge, and thermal emission rating is bad engine characteristics with smoke coming out of it's engine like MiG-29 jet, we see Gripen jet engine puffing out thick black smoke in flight, that makes enemy sensors to detect the Gripen so easily.
Stop telling lies dude ! Even F-7 jet has better RCS and thermal emission rating than Gripen.

The staff that you are smoking is too strong for you bro.

Gripen radar is PS/05 mk3 which means is the latest
Gripen RCS is low-confirmed.

AugustineAgain:


Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood.

The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup.


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389

Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article]
Authors: Smith, CJ
Venter, JP
Keywords: Network enabling capabilities
Link-ZA
Interoperability
South African National Defence Force
SANDF
Tactical Data Links
Battlefield technology
Issue Date: Nov-2011
Publisher: Argos Press
Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that.
.

Why do you like to hurt yourself so much?


Reutech- Communication technology company says you are lying. Don't you feel ashamed?



http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

AugustineAgain:


Nope, it is SANDF Link Za that messed up big time, according to South African experts FINAL TECHNICAL REPORT

"Delivery of SDPP’s started in 2005 with frigates and submarines and was followed by LIFT aircraft in 2006, maritime helicopters in 2007 and fighter aircraft in 2009. The impression by many was that Link-ZA compliance by SDPP acquisition projects would imply message exchange inter-operability between all these platforms.

Disappointingly it was found that most platforms could only exchange information between similar type platforms ."

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf


You have NO tactical datalink, SANDF got intranet Link ZA, finished
.

Why don't you go and cry? I can see that you are hurt by the fact that we have TDL. Hehehehehehe…



Agaust is crying!!!!!!!!!!!


Reutech has spoken

http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

[size=20] South Africa joins the TDL clubs and aims to help BRICS countries.[/size]


http://www.defenceiq.com/defence-technology/articles/south-africa-joins-the-tdl-club/#.T2LYQtfdU2g.email

Technical Data Link Conference.


How South Africa managed to develop its own indigenous TDL?

https://www.asdevents.com/event.asp?id=1564

[size=20]It surely will not help you to cry if your country does not have a TDL. Only few modern countries in the world have TDL. So crying and accusing other countries that their TDL is cheap, not functional, and many names will not help you and won't make you to have one[/size]

jln115:

WTF are you smoking bro?? The Gripen has an RCS of 0,1m2, the smallest of any none stealth fighter....also the PS/05 mk4 can track an 0.1m2 target at 120km...that's almost on par with some AESA radars on the market.

RCS is a speculative figure joggled by anybody anyhow. Show me SAAB data stating Gripen RCS at 0.1m2....show proof !

Also Show proof that SAAF Gripen uses PS/05 Mk 4 radar, it was not existing when SAAF orderd Gripen and chose a radar, it was PS/05 A version available then in the 1990s and that is what SAAB official website says they installed on South African Gripen jet.

"Saab has a long experience in development of radars for fighter aircraft. PS-05/A for the Gripen aircraft has been in service since 1992. At present, the Gripen with PS-05/A operates in several countries.

Reference customers include the air forces of Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Thailand."

http://saab.com/air/sensor-systems/fighter-radar/ps-05-a/

Your air force Gripen flies with an obsolete 25 year old radar !!! JF-17 has a more modern radar than SAAF Gripen
.

mzilakazi:


Why do you like to hurt yourself so much?


Reutech- Communication technology company says you are lying. Don't you feel ashamed?



http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

It failed, 2011 technical resesrch report FROM INSIDE SOUTH AFRICA BY SOUTH AFRICAN EXPERTS says Link ZA failed to perfom across different equipment, it was a huge disappointment. Sorry your Reutech manufacturer is too ashamed to admit failure publicly.

Here is the proof of Link ZA 80% failure

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF got an overpriced intercom instead of tactical data link .
.

AugustineAgain:


RCS is a speculative figure joggled by anybody anyhow. Show me SAAB data stating Gripen RCS at 0.1m2....show proof !

Also Show proof that SAAF Gripen uses PS/05 Mk 4 radar, it was not existing when SAAF orderd Gripen and chose a radar, it was Mk 1 available then in the 1990s.

Show us your fückïng radar version with proof. We are waiting...
.

Did I say SAAF uses the PS/05 mk4??

We use the mk3 which can track a 0.5m2 target at 120km!

We will however be getting the mk4 version when we upgrade to block20.

AugustineAgain:


It failed, 2011 technical resesrch report FROM INSIDE SOUTH AFRICA BY SOUTH AFRICAN EXPERTS says Link ZA failed to perfom across different equipment, it was a huge disappointment. Sorry your Reutech manufacturer is too ashamed to admit failure publicly.

Here is the proof of Link ZA 80% failure

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

SANDF got an overpriced intercom instead of tactical data link .
.

Your source is outdated, just like my source was outdated... Apparently!!

http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

..

AugustineAgain:


Nope, 2010 defenceweb report of falsehood.

The technical performance reserach report is dated 2011 after the world cup.


http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/5389

Title: Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability [Journal article]
Authors: Smith, CJ
Venter, JP
Keywords: Network enabling capabilities
Link-ZA
Interoperability
South African National Defence Force
SANDF
Tactical Data Links
Battlefield technology
Issue Date: Nov-2011
Publisher: Argos Press
Citation: Smith, CJ and Venter, JP. Year 2011 Case study of the development of a SANDF tactical data link network enabling capability. Journal of Battlefield Technology, Vol 14.

http://www.argospress.com/jbt/article_abstracts/14-3-2-abstract.pdf

As of 2011 date, SANDF tactical datalink is a failure 80% failed, show us a 2012-2016 technical report to cancel that.
.

1. The Rear Admiral confirms it.

1a. airforce General confirms it:

The SAAF will be using various sensors throughout the country to compile the radar picture. As the SAAF will be deploying mobile radar units to only the inland soccer venues, the SA Navy will deploy their frigates to the coastal venues, being Cape Town, Durban and Port Elizabeth. Gagiano says that the SAAF will “utilise the radar pictures from the navy ships – via Link ZA – for the total air picture around the stadiums close to the coast.”

"So all those sensors contribute to a recognised air picture and Gripen is one part of it, the ship radar is one part of it, our mobile radars, static radar, all these sensors are part and parcel of the input into one recognised air picture.”
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6534

2. No, the paper says that upon delivery it failed to integrate, it then goes on to outline how it was integrated - abstract confirms it

You can go on repeating yourself, and I can go on quoting YOUR OWN SOURCE to prove you are wrong

I guess I just ruined your life