I just dey look

Bollinger:


I wonder why you don't have a thousand likes for that logical post? Anyway to add to it, if a man is born in a remote area of the world and he has never heard of Jesus but lives a pious and good life, are we saying that when he dies he will automatically go to hell? That makes absolutely no sense at all considering that the bible says one must accept Jesus and be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

you know, the world hate the world of God, an atheists blaspheme the name of God, everyone will exalt him , but hey, I'm not even concerns of large numbers of people who received my message but do not learn. I will be very happy if ONE soul read it and be save. Thank you.

The saints will not be judge.
John 3:18
"There is no judgment against anyone
who believes in him. But anyone who
does not believe in him has already
been judged for not believing in God's
one and only Son.

If you believe in Jesus, you will not be judge, only your Good deed will be remember, your bad deed will not be counted because Jesus has already pay the debt for you.

For those who have not heard the name of Jesus;
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, so that each of
us may receive what is due us for the
things done while in the body, whether
good or bad.

They will be judge based on the Good and bad deed they have done.

cckris:
CHRISTIANITY will always be an experience, like the apostle Paul, Cornelius, Nicodemus, Lydia, May Magdalena.

RITUALS have never been part of Christianity, and nothing but the FRAUD that Marx rightly described as opiate of the masses.

No one can be a Christian without first making a rational evaluation of the claims of Jesus, The Christ, against all other religious claims within the individual's experience.

That's how Nicodemus, Lydia, Appolos, and any other person has ever become and lived as a Christian

HEHEHE, rituals have always been part of xtianity. baptism, communion, anioting d sick, laying of hand 4 ministry aka ordination/commissioning, laying of hands 4 d reception of d spirit aka confirmation/charismation, even confession. all of d above are rituals and part of xtianity.

cckris:

Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Institutions usurp liberty, create Sharia, the Inquisitions of the Catholic Church, or at least Dogmas. Non of these is of Christ, or Christianity.

The liberty d spirit give is not chaos, liberty doesnt strike out the ritual like baptism, laying of hand nd communion.

sapiosexual1:

My brother in Christ, i hope you do understand what a ritual is in literal definition and I hop you also understand your bible. All you mentioned above except for 9 & 10 are biblical injunctions. I don't see how they constitute a ritual.

Those biblical injunctions are also ritual. unless u dont know what a ritual is.

why put a catholic pics dere you guys shudnt rub your lack of self satisfaction on others....Worship God ow best u can and leave others to do thiers....there's no basic rule on how best God shud b worshipped.

Dree is nothing bad in it,It is called importunity,
"I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth. " (Luke 11:. Also luke 18 vs 1 to 8. Amen so many time means so shall it n confirmation,it is nt back,Amen fire is to clear d way for d Answer to prayers,it Daniel's prayers can b hinder for 14day,whose fireless prayer cannot b hindered by prince of persia,if Joshua d high priest can b hindered by satan because of d fithy cloth on him,so what r we saying,dree is nothing wrong in those tins U av listed,d Bible says pray until ur joy is full,

charlsecy:
Muslims also believe Islam is a way of life... not just a religion. These are just word plays.

I've modified the post u quoted

Ubenedictus:
HEHEHE, rituals have always been part of xtianity. baptism, communion, anioting d sick, laying of hand 4 ministry aka ordination/commissioning, laying of hands 4 d reception of d spirit aka confirmation/charismation, even confession. all of d above are rituals and part of xtianity.

Yes.. the problem is that a large number of people do not know the meaning of the word Ritual. Ritual is part of human existence. They always tend to wrongly think occultism whenever they hear the word.

SporaD8:

I've modified the post u quoted

SporaD8:
A relationship. All Religions are man's endless effort to connect with the creator using their limited knowledge on their own term.
The Old Testament on the other is God's way of reaching out to man; but then Man's heart is not atonement with God!
Christianity, However, is a two-way relationship with God. A personal experience where both man and God reach out to one another. You are not yet a Christian if you've never had an encounter God!

Nearly all religions claim this supremacy over the others.

Timoleon:


even cultists call themselves brethren as in brotherhood...so?

cultists ban its members from asking questions.
But the bible encourage us to ask questions until we believe, John the baptist ask question "are you the christ?" Thomas ask questions , infact the bible encourage us to test every spirit ;

1 John 4:1.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
but test the spirits to see whether they
are from God, because many false
prophets have gone out into the world.

cckris:


Christianity is still a great experience in Nigeria, exactly as it was in the Acts of the Apostles

how do you mean bro??

Bollinger:


I wonder why you don't have a thousand likes for that logical post? Anyway to add to it, if a man is born in a remote area of the world and he has never heard of Jesus but lives a pious and good life, are we saying that when he dies he will automatically go to hell? That makes absolutely no sense at all considering that the bible says one must accept Jesus and be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

He doesn't have a thousand likes cos he has selected certain passages of the Bible to back his argument and conveniently ignored those that don't support it. The old testament is replete with ceremonies and rituals in which God describes in detail how he wants to be worshipped. Even describing in some cases the color and age of the animal to be sacrificed. We cannot always read the Bible at face value, we have to read it in context, historical and linguistically.

These ceremonies are a means to an end; giving God glory. If we worship God then go and commit sins deliberately and knowingly we are fooling ourselves. All those who come online to insult others and then go to Church on Sunday are fooling themselves. They are not acting like Christ, they are not Christian.

Lastly with regards to those who live good lives but don't know Christ, only God can judge. Our duty is to spread the Gospel as far as possible. If you say its Constantine that made us Christian, by that same logic, Christianity should have been wiped out as a result of the great persecutions it has faced over the years.

I don tire. Bye bye

A Christian is person that is Christ like character, minded and led by the Holy Spirit. D Holy Spirit will lead true children of God to be truthful, polite, humble, meek and godly disposition. Evil spirit will always lead people 2 believe lies, be arrogant, abusive, intolerant and all the vices. Every church preaches Jesus and so its evil spirit that will lead people 2 decamp or breakout from one church to form another. If everyone is led by the Holy Spirit and become true Born Again Christian to know that we are only promised the Kingdom of God – (Matthew 6:9-10 -“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”), these rebels against God led by the evil spirit will not have opportunity to continue to corner tithe & offering into their pocket, by which they exist.

charlsecy:
Yes.. the problem is that a large number of people do not know the meaning of the word Ritual. Ritual is part of human existence. They always tend to wrongly think occultism whenever they hear the word.

Nearly all religions claim this supremacy over the others.

Wrong bro!
actually that relationship aspect is blasphemous to some religion adherents.

sapiosexual1:

I'm not too old though but I think these "shout Jesus 3 times ", "shout the loudest amen " ish began in this generation. I still don't understand what brought about it, we surely haven't been like the Berean Christians who searched the scriptures when this practise was introduced. We're all guilty of this.

it didnt just start bro,start ke,that mean you didnt attend those OLD C.A.C and C&S churches then nio,mase wo comment mi lasanooooooooooooo,ooodiju libiki tio ba wa,ooooowa parawo lohun rara bi eniti elekun oko mu lowo,ooope oroko jesu meje,ina emimimo meta,ara olorunoooo merindiloogun,oowa wipe,gbogbo ogun idile babami toni ohun koni jawo loro mi,ara emimimoooooooooooo ,oya koluwon,koluwon*7, Jeeeesu kristi oluwawa,aaamin,aaamin,aaamin loruko Jesu,haleluyah*3,hosannah*3.iye,iyeee,iye........

analice107:


@Ops
When I clicked in here what I was expecting is not what I saw.
Those things you mentioned are not Christian Rituals. I was expecting practices like
1. Water Baptism.
2. Holy Communion.
3. The Use of Anointing Oil.
4. The Use of Mantle.
5. Laying on of hands.
6.Falling under anointing.
7. Speaking in tongues
8. Fasting and prayers.
9. Feed washing.
10. Burning of Candles and incense (for catholics)
Use of Holy Water.
Praying the Rosary. Bowing to images etc. These are Christian Rituals.

These are the things I expected to see. But you brought up prayers, processions, and methodical worship(what does that even mean).

Ah, must everybody open a thread?

Open a good dictionary and check the meanings of the word ritual.
You cannot decide the meaning of a word or that its use must conform to to puny understanding of the word and then you go further to ask "must everybody open a thread?" You only celebrate your ignorance OPENLY and should,perhaps,take your own advice "Must every one comment?"

If you live in a house with your parents and you greet them every morning it is a ritual.
If you warm soup every morning it is a ritual
If you smoke something every morning it is a ritual
If you always use a condom it is a ritual
If you do assembly in your school every morning it is a ritual
Those with limited understanding of the word should check its meaning and stop ridiculing THEMSELVES

sapiosexual1:
This ish has been on my mind for a while, are we christians subconsciously engaging in ritualistic worship?

Orthodox Christians: This perhaps is the most controvertial yet documented. Recitation of prayers, processions, methodical worship to name a few.

Protestant Christians:Its more dramatic here. Its become a fad for us to add prefixes and suffixes to our prayers as we believe they add more vent and speed to the prsyers. Phrases like "holy ghost fire!", "amen......fire!", calling Jesus three times, Amen 7 times, halleluyah 7 times, etc. Are these really biblical?

What does the bible say: Jesus says in Matthew 6: 7-8 , we shouldnt engage in vain repetitive prayers for our father in heaven knows what we want already even before we ask. {paraphrased} .
Bible scholars pls come in and shed more light. Thanks

John 8 vs 32 said And ye shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you FREE.......

pulsa:
. European missionaries who came with military forces, ask any old person you know they practiced intense cleansing of traditionalist, discriminated against them and put down insurrections which sought to change the status quo as they like it.

My problem with religious missionaries is how they feel it is OK to spread the Word while surrounded by suffering. That is not any gods work. Where is the general compassion to help improve bad situations? There might be some who feed and donate time and labor, but they do these with alterior motive. In my opinion, missions are another way to continue colonialization by conversion of the masses to the religion they are spreading.

GatJokez:


My problem with religious missionaries is how they feel it is OK to spread the Word while surrounded by suffering. That is not any gods work. Where is the general compassion to help improve bad situations? There might be some who feed and donate time and labor, but they do these with alterior motive. In my opinion, missions are another way to continue colonialization by conversion of the masses to the religion they are spreading.

. exactly what I have always thought, why did they not stay and preach to their people who were killing Africans and exploiting Africa, why did they need to preach to those same Africans who were being killed and exploited.

pulsa:
. Christians will still be in the minority region like they are in asia

Yes, but you can't deny it that there are no christians there and truth be told, some churches in Nigeria now send missionaries to asian countries to spread the gospel...

pulsa:
. exactly what I have always thought, why did they not stay and preach to their people who were killing Africans and exploiting Africa, why did they need to preach to those same Africans who were being killed and exploited.

Those were the same kind of people who conquered North, Central, and South American continents by slaughtering and breaking their Native inhabitants. Christianity did not follow the words of its own Bible because the majority of how it was spread was through slaughter and conquest. Religion is the most evil of all evils because it has caused the most death and continues today. To answer your question- in my opinion, because the biggest tithe donors to the churches of colonists were the masters who hired the ships that were sent to Africa. The small churches who may have been against what was being done were overrun by giants.

Thought provoking..... ...

ogaprime:


Yes, but you can't deny it that there are no christians there and truth be told, some churches in Nigeria now send missionaries to asian countries to spread the gospel...

. exactly my point, Christianity will to a large extent would still be foreign to africa.

GatJokez:


Those were the same kind of people who conquered North, Central, and South American continents by slaughtering and breaking their Native inhabitants. Christianity did not follow the words of its own Bible because the majority of how it was spread was through slaughter and conquest. Religion is the most evil of all evils because it has caused the most death and continues today. To answer your question- in my opinion, because the biggest tithe donors to the churches of colonists were the masters who hired the ships that were sent to Africa. The small churches who may have been against what was being done were overrun by giants.

. so in other words support us and get our funds and military protection, and if you don't we won't fund you. wow to be frank I never looked at it in those terms, but even at that they also had to a large extent and still have the (God gave us this, and therefore it is ours) syndrome, irrespective of who once owned it, which saw them invoke "tera nullis" to claim Australia and the Americas continent, so what I'm in essence saying is the churches ;people who saw something wrong with their colonization would have been in the extreme minority, I mean were they not bringing civilization and knowledge of an almighty God to the Babarian africans, so what if they killed off and enslaved some of them, it was all for the greater good.

sapiosexual1:
This ish has been on my mind for a while, are we christians subconsciously engaging in ritualistic worship?

Orthodox Christians: This perhaps is the most controvertial yet documented. Recitation of prayers, processions, methodical worship to name a few.

Protestant Christians:Its more dramatic here. Its become a fad for us to add prefixes and suffixes to our prayers as we believe they add more vent and speed to the prsyers. Phrases like "holy ghost fire!", "amen......fire!", calling Jesus three times, Amen 7 times, halleluyah 7 times, etc. Are these really biblical?

What does the bible say: Jesus says in Matthew 6: 7-8 , we shouldnt engage in vain repetitive prayers for our father in heaven knows what we want already even before we ask. {paraphrased} .
Bible scholars pls come in and shed more light. Thanks

The word of God on which our practice should be based requires that we are persistent in request when it seems like we haven't received the answer. It encourages us to be steadfast in faith and not to loose the focus on eternity. However, it warns against vain repetition, and at the same time we shouldn't ask amiss.

Believers sometimes make unnecessary repetitions, thinking God will answer that way. No! We must understand and apply the principles by which God answers prayers without repetition. Sometimes also prayer may not be answered when we ask amiss - our prayer should follow the order that can make it like a 'sweet offering' to God. Our prayer shouldn't jump stages or the pattern it must have followed. Christ has given the order our prayer should follow. people also ask amiss when they have moved from needs to wants.

Those prefixes or suffixes, addition or extension may not be needed as they are not part of what God requires of a believer for his prayer to be answered.... 'Amen... Jesus... Fire' is unnecessary, and may be totally wrong. Bible demands ONLY Amen to prayer, and the shout 'Alleluyah' as many times as possible when praising God.

Those additions may be borne out of wrong interpretation and teachings as a result of proliferation of theological institutions.

At times something that started like a joke might be incorporated into the system. That's why Churches and denominations must follow well defined tenets of faith.

Such extension might have started as practices meant to ginger the service or awake those who are asleep. Amen 3X might have been adopted because it sounds louder and rings very well into the ears to command full concentration and dispel disturbances, thus arousing interest and rebuking disturbing spirits.

Please read that bible chapter very well nd understand what it is saying,bcs the scripture is meant to lead u nd not miss lead!! When u understand what th@ bible chapter/verse is saying then re read wh@ u have posted nd seek for forgiveness!!

pulsa:
. so in other words support us and get our funds and military protection, and if you don't we won't fund you. wow to be frank I never looked at it in those terms, but even at that they also had to a large extent and still have the (God gave us this, and therefore it is ours) syndrome, irrespective of who once owned it, which saw them invoke "tera nullis" to claim Australia and the Americas continent, so what I'm in essence saying is the churches ;people who saw something wrong with their colonization would have been in the extreme minority, I mean were they not bringing civilization and knowledge of an almighty God to the Babarian africans, so what if they killed off and enslaved some of them, it was all for the greater good.

Well yes they needed an excuse for their self entitlement. They applied the greater good excuse when slaughtering the natives of the lands they conquered and pioneered. They called them barbarians too. Best way to make bad actions look good is by labeling people as Barbarians, Heathens, etc. and vilifying them. My favorite excuse is saying they didn't know better and playing the naïve card which makes me the angriest.

We need more education of historical facts to open people's eyes to the realities of the truth many choose to ignore. I think, so long as the need to believe is the driving factor of the masses, politics will play religions against each other. Faith should be a personal venture, not a great show of how many will join.

Has anyone ever wondered why it is so important to convert as many people as possible to Catholic, or Baptist, or Jahova or Muslim, or many other religions and their denominations? It seems we have many large competitors. Why is that? What does the majority win? The greatest tithes and monuments? Power? Both?

Constantine was a brilliant political strategist....

Christianity is not a religion
Islam is not a religion
Then what is religion?
The belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal god or gods.
So, what is different?... It just annoys me when people just come out and say shit like they invented the English language
They are all religions

malvisguy212:
the second picture, is it talking about energetic prayer ? Energetic prayer is biblical.

James 5:16,
"Confess your faults one to another,and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The EFFECTUAL FERVENT prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

The words “effectual” and “ fervent” are actually only one word in Greek. It comes from Greek word #1754,energeo, from which we get the word “energy.” It's talking about the energized prayer. The energetic prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

James gives example of one who use energetic prayer:
James 5:17
"Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he PRAYED EARNESTLY
that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months."

Luke 22:44
"...he prayed MORE EARNESTLY: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground"

does our physical demo or action have anything to do with the effectiveness of our prayers...
In order words, are my prayers not effective if I refuse to jump, lie down, beat the air etc??

GatJokez:


Well yes they needed an excuse for their self entitlement. They applied the greater good excuse when slaughtering the natives of the lands they conquered and pioneered. They called them barbarians too. Best way to make bad actions look good is by labeling people as Barbarians, Heathens, etc. and vilifying them. My favorite excuse is saying they didn't know better and playing the naïve card which makes me the angriest.

We need more education of historical facts to open people's dyes to the realities of the truth many choose to ignore. I think, so long as the need to believe is the driving factor of the masses, politics will play religions against each other. Faith should be a personal venture, not a great show of how many will join.

Has anyone ever wondered why it is so important to convert as many people as possible to Catholic, or Baptist, or Jahova or Muslim, or many other religions and their denominations? It seems we have many large competitors. Why is that? What does the majority win? The greatest tithes and monuments? Power? Both?

Constantine was a brilliant political strategist....

. And even in this moment that attitude of claiming ignorance in a lot of issue's continues, I.e Africa's problem is mainly because of the Africans living in it, while some part of this is true that statement blatantly ignores the fact that they are also somewhat responsible.

I support that viewpoint, I don't understand why we Africans have to learn history through their point of view, why we don't learn history through ours.

Of course there are benefits, the idolizing of the Europeans by Christians and of the Arabs by the Muslims is one of this benefits as the average African still treat them as gods while treating their fellow Africans with disgust. Being an African i get angry at the fact that an African immigrants from one African country to the other is treated like shit while foreign immigrants are treated like gods when they don't reciprocate the favour in their countries, this are all benefits they enjoy from us following their religion and getting educated by them in their ways they knew the value of education and capitalized on it.

Not just Constantine but a lot of the European leaders have always been strategist even to this day they make strategic moves,I.e it is a known fact amongst the well learned that they gave nations their independence because their military power was weakened during the second European war (European not world as it was a war fought in Europe by Europeans for dominance in Europe), and they couldn't keep their colonies so they gave them their independence in exchange for having puppet leaders in place, this strategy worked effectively in south Africa where they let go of political power for economic dominance.

It is awesome having this sort of conversation with you, I tell you this is made more awesome by the fact you are a female, you've proper up my convictions on African feminism.

pulsa:
. European missionaries who came with military forces, ask any old person you know they practiced intense cleansing of traditionalist, discriminated against them and put down insurrections which sought to change the status quo as they like it.

i disagree with you on that,come to my maternal villa and see for yourself........mind you,those who came with military forces where slave traders and not missionaries,and av never read or heard that there is a place where christianity was established violently.............i hope you are not mistaking christianity with islam?