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1- Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24: 32-36:

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main qualification. This alone is enough to prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the verse says ONLY the Father meaning nobody else, including the divine Jesus.



2- Jesus never said I am God.



Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you make a claim on someone, then you would expect that someone to back your claim up. If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God:

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins

Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am] God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:

Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God.

Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I [am] God, [even] thy God.

Psa 81:10 I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.


Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me,

Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.


Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;

Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
So as we can see, God is not shy to say I am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? This is not a coincidence.

3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man:


The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is the son of man:

Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.

Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.

Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.


Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


The Old Testament tells us not to put our trust in the son of man:

Psalms 146:

1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.



So note, Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man; therefore we cannot place our trust in Jesus so he cannot be God. The OT is basically saying that you shouldn’t put your trust in men as you do with God, so hence we cannot put our trust in Jesus in the same way we do with God since Jesus is just a man, and he cannot really save us. So hence Jesus cannot be God.

1- Jesus is the son of man

2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man

3- We cannot put our trust in Jesus as we do with God

4- Jesus is not God

The OT also tells us that there is no help in the son of man, therefore this means Jesus cannot help anybody, therefore he is not God since God can help all. So we cannot place our trust in Jesus, nor can he help us, therefore he cannot be God according to the OT.


4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it.

As we all know, God is all-powerful and is independent, he needs no help from anybody. However so this is not the case with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help from God, unlike God, Jesus does not own any power or any authority, rather it is given to him from God.

Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me

So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.

Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

So everything Jesus had was from God, from the Gospel to his miracles. God needs no one to give him power, God needs no one to tell him what to do, therefore Jesus is not God.

I challenge any Christian to bring me one single miracle Jesus performed on his own, just one. The Christian will never be able to meet this challenge.

5- Jesus was sent to a specific nation only, not to mankind

It is very strange that when we read the Bible, we find that Jesus was sent to preach to a specific nation only, not mankind. One would expect to find Jesus being sent to all of mankind if he was God, rather what we find is that Jesus just like all the other prophets, was sent to a specific nation only:

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

So as we see, Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel. His main duty was for them, not the gentiles or the world. Christians often like to say Jesus told his disciples to go preach to the gentiles, however so this doesn’t change anything. Jesus’ real mission as we see was for the children of Israel, not the gentiles, the verse I posted cannot be refuted. The verse is very clear, Jesus is SENT for the lost sheep of Israel, not the Gentiles, Jesus saying go preach to Gentiles does not mean he was sent for gentiles.



5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good.
If Jesus is God one would expect him to admit he is good in the sense that God is good, meaning perfect. However when we read the Bible we see that Jesus denies being good in the sense that God is good which is perfect. Here are the passages:

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
So note, the man calls Jesus good, Jesus tells the man there is non good but God. Obviously Jesus referred to God as someone else, which also proves Jesus isn’t God. However the main importance of the passages is that Jesus denies being Good in the way God is good, which is to be perfect.

And who God?

foolish op

jesus before pilate he said that he is a king and his kingdom is not of this world

hence the called him king of the jews because their primitive mind could not understand

Jesus peace be upon him ate and drink. That means he'd have to find a spot to use the toilet. Certainly the most high is above this.

Jesus peace be upon him was born via a vagina , nourished via umbilical cord. It is satanist blasphemy to suggest God was born and delivered through a vagina.

Jesus has TWO nature ? (GOD and HUMAN) there are things the Godly nature know that His human nature did not know. the fact. that Jesus was conceived of a HUMAN mother, proved he was human and the fact that the spirit of God was on this human (Jesus) make Him God.

Micah 5:2.
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though
thou be little among the thousands of
Judah, yet out of thee shall he come
forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING." -

This prophecy revealed both the HUMAN and DIVINE nature of Jesus, in regard of His human nature, He was to be born in Bethlehem and in regard to His divine nature , He is from OLD "whose going forth is EVERLASTING" God is eternal. So when Jesus pray ,eat , fast, talk to God, e.t.c He does so because that's a duty of every human.

Op, do you want to know the reason why muhammed is not a prophet ?

[size=14pt]I gave more than 10 reasons to show that Jesus is God.[/size]

See https://www.nairaland.com/2870689/10-points-show-jesus-god

“I can’t do anything by myself. Whatever I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just. I don’t seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me.” (John 5:30)

Jesus peace be upon him is a man, with a belly button, born through a vagina.

If Jesus peace be upon him was God he would have told people to worship him, but he did the opposite and disapproved anyone worshipping him: “And in vain they worship Me.” (Matthew 15:9)


Jesus peace be upon him speaks of God as a separate being to himself: “I’m going up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17)

Christians save yourself from the hellfire . “And in vain they worship Me.” (Matthew 15:90) do not be of those Jesus peace be upon him warned off. Worship the creator not a creation.

Jesus peace be upon clearly warned not to worship him, yet those that claim to follow him either ignore this clear warning in vain arrogance or ignorance of the message.

[size=14pt]Jesus has a name above every name, so it means that the name of Jesus is equal to the fathers[/size]
[size=14pt]
Philippians 2
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
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[size=14pt]read and see I gave more than 10 points to shows Jesus is God[/size]
https://www.nairaland.com/2870689/10-points-show-Jesus-god

“A man came to Jesus and asked “Which is the first commandment of all?” Jesus answered, “The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.’’’ (Mark 12:28, 29)

Jesus peace be upon him didn't say he was part of a pagan rooted Trinity, he didn't say 2,3, or for, Jesus peace be upon him said 1.

The Bible is clear that God is unseen and is not a man: “for no one may see me and live.” (Exodus 33:20), “God is not a man” (Numbers 23:19)

hockeyoilers:
“A man came to Jesus and asked “Which is the first commandment of all?” Jesus answered, “The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.’’’ (Mark 12:28, 29)

Jesus peace be upon him didn't say he was part of a pagan rooted Trinity, he didn't say 2,3, or for, Jesus peace be upon him said 1.

It shows that you dont know God or the bible.

Jesus said He and His Father are ONE?
Jesus claimed to be God thats why the jews wanted to stone Him

John 10 (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Can you argue with Jesus?

[size=14pt]Pleasse don't be stubborn I have listed 10 reasons that Jesus is God and apart from these[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/2870689/10-points-show-jesus-god

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.

Here Jesus peace be upon him emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.


He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

chiedu7:
It shows that you dont know God or the bible.

Jesus said He and His Father are ONE?
Jesus claimed to be God thats why the jews wanted to stone Him

John 10 (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Can you argue with Jesus?

Leave the slow poke, he will never get it.

hockeyoilers:
8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

You r a slow poke.
Did Jesus not accept worship?
And u can only worship God.

Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels

‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

Freedom4us:
Leave the slow poke, he will never get it.



You r a slow poke.
Did Jesus not accept worship?
And u can only worship God.

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Is this name calling and back biting an example of Christian values? Certainly Jesus peace be upon him did not teach this. Resorting to name calling I would hope is not indicative to the lessons you learn from Jesus peace be upon him.

Brother you can do better than this ,

malvisguy212:
Jesus has TWO nature ? (GOD and HUMAN) there are things the Godly nature know that His human nature did not know. the fact. that Jesus was conceived of a HUMAN mother, proved he was human and the fact that the spirit of God was on this human (Jesus) make Him God.

Micah 5:2.
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though
thou be little among the thousands of
Judah, yet out of thee shall he come
forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING." -

This prophecy revealed both the HUMAN and DIVINE nature of Jesus, in regard of His human nature, He was to be born in Bethlehem and in regard to His divine nature , He is from OLD "whose going forth is EVERLASTING" God is eternal. So when Jesus pray ,eat , fast, talk to God, e.t.c He does so because that's a duty of every human.

Op, do you want to know the reason why muhammed is not a prophet ?

Bros, why did you dignify this Muhammedan with an answer, he is not worth it. Some people are best ignored.

laurenziz6:
foolish op

jesus before pilate he said that he is a king and his kingdom is not of this world

hence the called him king of the jews because their primitive mind could not understand

can i know the bible verse you got that from

chiedu7:
[size=14pt]I gave more than 10 reasons to show that Jesus is God.[/size]

See https://www.nairaland.com/2870689/10-points-show-jesus-god

so jesus created you?
that blasphemy....YOUR GOD THAT DOES NOT KNOW THE LAST DAY.

There is no such thing as Jesus or god and there is no evidence he ever existed. White people have brainwashed you people into talking to a fictional man in the sky lol

"And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:"
Luke 24:19

OLAJADON:
can i know the bible verse you got that from

read the passion of christ. JESUS before pilate
if you dont know the verse then that means your senseless op posting thrash topics

Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)



The Bible says God is not a son of man
'God is not a man or a son of a man' (Numbers 23:19)

laurenziz6:
read the passion of christ. JESUS before pilate
if you dont know the verse then that means your senseless op posting thrash topics

bros you don't know what you doing,... give me verses not passion of christ... I GUESS YOU DONT HAVE BIBLE VERSE TO PROVE YOUR POINT.

OLAJADON:
bros you don't know what you doing,... give me verses not passion of christ... I GUESS YOU DONT HAVE BIBLE VERSE TO PROVE YOUR POINT.

open the gospel of john chapter 18 verse 33-38

mumu

laurenziz6:
open the gospel of john chapter 18 verse 33-38

mumu

from the verse you posted jesus was asked are you the king of jews he said yes he is and his kingdom is not of this earth.
this shows that he is not God, from that statement you can confirm that he said he is the king of jews i.e sent to the jews, are you a jew? then why did you call jesus your lord... did jesus created you?
when i checked your profile and saw your picture i had no cause to be offended INDEED YOU TALK LIKE A GOOFY KID.

OLAJADON:
from the verse you posted jesus was asked are you the king of jews he said yes he is and his kingdom is not of this earth.
this shows that he is not God, from that statement you can confirm that he said he is the king of jews i.e sent to the jews, are you a jew? then why did you call jesus your lord... did jesus created you?
when i checked your profile and saw your picture i had no cause to be offended INDEED YOU TALK LIKE A GOOFY KID.

jesus acxepted hes a king but not of this world but of heaven and earth and dont bring age into this your talking out of hatred

malvisguy212:
Jesus has TWO nature ? (GOD and HUMAN) there are things the Godly nature know that His human nature did not know. the fact. that Jesus was conceived of a HUMAN mother, proved he was human and the fact that the spirit of God was on this human (Jesus) make Him God.

Micah 5:2.
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though
thou be little among the thousands of
Judah, yet out of thee shall he come
forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING." -

This prophecy revealed both the HUMAN and DIVINE nature of Jesus, in regard of His human nature, He was to be born in Bethlehem and in regard to His divine nature , He is from OLD "whose going forth is EVERLASTING" God is eternal. So when Jesus pray ,eat , fast, talk to God, e.t.c He does so because that's a duty of every human.

Op, do you want to know the reason why muhammed is not a prophet ?

@bold,
streuth no, they don't want to know the truth