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Patchesagain:
Classed as frigates by the Navy due to Super-Rapid 76mm gun, space for up to 46 missiles and advanced combat suite
http://www.navy.mil.za/equipment/valour.htm

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Patchesagain:
You said they will defeat ALL 17 missiles.

Prove it.

Exocet has an 80% hit rate, battle tested and proven.

Until you prove your claims, your corvette stands no chance.

You have only 13 Exocets NOT 17.

Manufacturer says HP-J defeats missiles. Fact !

There is no official record of 80% Exocet hit rate, and it is a bad missile notorious for failing to explode, just lucky to cause fire and sink two ships in its 35 year history. Many Iraqi exocets hït ships in gulf war and none of the ships sank. Exocet hit British ships in Falkland war and bounced off into the air wasted, ships just got hull metal dent repaired. Exocet has poor combat success rate in 35 years of many dozens fired in combat, sank only 2 ships, that is a 10% success rate realistically.

NNS centenary and NNS unity will waste your 13 Exocets and gun battle starts, then superior Nigerian 76mm stealth guns will sink Valour corvettes and your ancient 1970s rusted shorter range 76mm compact model guns that your foolish navy repainted from scrap yard putting non stealth gun on a stealth ship.....Nation of Zulu ïdïots !!
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Patchesagain:
space for up to 46 missiles
http://www.navy.mil.za/equipment/valour.htm

8 Exocets anti-ship missiles only. Other missiles are short range anti-aircraft Umkhonto missiles

Quote where your navy says 48 missiles, quote the text and weblink, liar !

agaugust:
You have only 13 Exocets NOT 17.

Manufacturer says HP-J defeats missiles. Fact !

There is no official record of 80% Exocet hit rate, and it is a bad missile notorious for failing to explode, just lucky to cause fire and sink two ships in its 35 year history. Many Iraqi exocets hït ships in gulf war and none of the ships sank. Exocet hit British ships in Falkland war and bounced off into the air wasted, ships just got hull metal dent repaired. Exocet has poor combat success rate in 35 years of many dozens fired in combat, sank only 2 ships, that is a 10% success rate realistically.

NNS centenary and NNS unity will waste your 13 Exocets and gun battle starts, then superior Nigerian 76mm stealth guns will sink Valour corvettes and your ancient 1970s rusted shorter range 76mm compact model guns that your foolish navy repainted from scrap yard putting non stealth gun on a stealth ship.....Nation of Zulu ïdïots !!
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Who says we have 13?

Ok, manufacturer says it defeats missiles... but how many? What percentage success rate? Did they work in the Falklands?

That entire paragraph is complete B.S, which ships did the Iraqi's hit? Fact is in Falklands 5 exocet were fired... 3 ships hit, 2 sunk. You can do math right?

No, your ships will be wasted by a hail of missiles. Fact.

Patchesagain:
1. You arent buying anything
2. 13 active missiles for SAN v 0 Active missiles for NN... who wins?

You are bragging with 13 missiles...... LMFAO!!

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LOL....South African Navy officially classifies Valour as a mere Patrol Corvette NOT even up to Frigate, talk less of Destroyer class !

"Valour Class Patrol Corvettes - with images from the SAS Amatola, SAS Isandlwana and SAS Spioenkop."

http://www.navy.mil.za/vtour/default.htm

SAN Classifies It's Valour Warships As Patrol Corvettes Due to Poor armament
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agaugust:
8 Exocets anti-ship missiles only. Other missiles are short range anti-aircraft Umkhonto missiles

Quote where your navy says 48 missiles, quote the text and weblink, liar !

8 that can be increased to 16 - Algerians chose to fit all 16 on theirs.

Henry240:
You are bragging with 13 missiles...... LMFAO!!

You are bragging with ZERO missiles... LMFAO

Patchesagain:
Who says we have 13?

Ok, manufacturer says it defeats missiles... but how many? What percentage success rate? Did they work in the Falklands?

That entire paragraph is complete B.S, which ships did the Iraqi's hit? Fact is in Falklands 5 exocet were fired... 3 ships hit, 2 sunk. You can do math right?

No, your ships will be wasted by a hail of missiles. Fact.

You bought ONLY 17 Exocets, your people claimed you test fired one on each ship, so how many Exocets do you have left ? Tell us with proof !

NNS centenary and NNS unity HP-J anti-missile decoys will waste your 13 Exocets and gun battle starts, then superior Nigerian 76mm stealth guns will sink Valour corvettes and your ancient 1970s rusted shorter range 76mm compact model guns that your foolish navy repainted from scrap yard putting non stealth gun on a stealth ship.....Nation of Zulu ïdïots !!
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agaugust:
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LOL....South African Navy officially classifies Valour as a mere Patrol Corvette NOT even up to Frigate, talk less of Destroyer class !

"Valour Class Patrol Corvettes - with images from the SAS Amatola, SAS Isandlwana and SAS Spioenkop."

http://www.navy.mil.za/vtour/default.htm

SAN Classifies It's Valour Warships As Patrol Corvettes Due to Poor armament
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We have provided sources that say that they dont.

Is this all you have? Because if so you have clearly run out of argument which means my work here is done.

agaugust:
[s]You bought ONLY 17 Exocets, your people claimed you test fired one on each ship, so how many Exocets do you have left ? Tell us with proof !

NNS centenary and NNS unity will waste your 13 Exocets and gun battle starts, then superior Nigerian 76mm stealth guns will sink Valour corvettes and your ancient 1970s rusted shorter range 76mm compact model guns that your foolish navy repainted from scrap yard putting non stealth gun on a stealth ship.....Nation of Zulu ïdïots !![/s]
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Stop repeating yourself like an i.diot.

You say that your decoys will waste of 13 missiles? Prove it, provide a citation.

This i.diot thinks that decoys are 100% effective... if they were... why would people still be making ASM's?

Clown

agaugust:
8 Exocets anti-ship missiles only. Other missiles are short range anti-aircraft Umkhonto missiles

Quote where your navy says 48 missiles, quote the text and weblink, liar !

"Fitted for, but not with" A200 meko can carry 16 ASMs, our Valours carry only 8 missiles and instead fitted the Davit system in place of the 8 extra missiles.

jln115:
"Fitted for, but not with" A200 meko can carry 16 ASMs, our Valours carry only 8 missiles and instead fitted the Davit system in place of the 8 extra missiles.

Patchesagain:
8 that can be increased to 16 - Algerians chose to fit all 16 on theirs.

Algeria is NOT South Africa, their own Exocet is different from yours and has 180km range not 73km like your old Southie Exocets. Their Meko warship is also custom built and is a frigate fully armed with stealth guns that SAN does not have.

Show proof that SAN Valour patrol corvettes can carry 16 Exocets on one ship, prove it
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Patchesagain:
You are bragging with ZERO missiles... LMFAO

So you are actually serious....... LMFAO


In effect you're going to brag with the mighty Indian Navy with 3 missiles, lone seaborne pilot and 1 corvette. LOL!!

agaugust:
[s]Algeria is NOT South Africa, their own Exocet is different from yours and has 180km range not 73km like your old Southie Exocets. Their Meko warship is also custom built and is a frigate fully armed with stealth guns that SAN does not have.

Show proof that SAN Valour patrol corvettes can carry 16 Exocets on one ship, prove it[/s]
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Same ship, dipsh.it... its designed to be "upgunned"

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agaugust:
Algeria is NOT South Africa, their own Exocet is different from yours and has 180km range not 73km like your old Southie Exocets. Their Meko warship is also custom built and is a frigate fully armed with stealth guns that SAN does not have.

Show proof that SAN Valour patrol corvettes can carry 16 Exocets on one ship, prove it
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Their exocets are the same length, weight and radius. Their 200 Meko are near identical to ours, they use the same radar, combat suit, SAMs ect ect and are also the exact same weight and length

Henry240:
So you are actually serious....... LMFAO


In effect you're going to brag with the mighty Indian Navy with 3 missiles. LOL!!

Who said anything about india?

We are bragging to YOU...

We are bragging about having a navy with warships... when all you have is a coast guard

Patchesagain:
Stop repeating yourself like an i.diot.

You say that your decoys will waste of 13 missiles? Prove it, provide a citation.

This i.diot thinks that decoys are 100% effective... if they were... why would people still be making ASM's?

Clown

You are the one questioning and disputing decoy HPJ effectiveness, so the burden of proof is on you...

Prove to us with citation that they are not 100% effective, prove your claim now !
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jln115:
Same length, weight and radius. Their 200 Meko is near identical to ours, they use the same radar, combat suit, SAMs ect ect and are also the exact same weight and length

Scratch that part in bold. We do not know the details of their combat suite, however we have seen the data of Valour class corvettes, and they prove the ships are obsolete.

agaugust:
You are the one questioning and disputing decoy HPJ effectiveness, so the burden of proof is on you...

Prove to us with citation that they are not 100% effective, prove your claim now !
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You are the one making the claim of 100%... not me.

Prove your claim!

Augustus, the fact that you refuse to shows that you know that this argument is beyond pathetic, you know that all you want to do is sit here and argue for the sake of arguing.

Grow up, be a man, face facts... a corvette without missiles does not stand a chance against a Frigate with missiles. You said so yourself on Beegeagles blog

jln115:
Their exocets are the same length, weight and radius. Their 200 Meko are near identical to ours, they use the same radar, combat suit, SAMs ect ect and are also the exact same weight and length

Different Exocet variant, different 76mm gun, navionics not same, CIWS gun not same.....South African Meko corvette is NOT same as Algerian Meko FRIGATE....liar
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Henry240:
Scratch that part in bold. We do not know the details of their combat suite, however we have seen the data of Valour class corvettes, and they prove the ships are obsolete.

So the exact same combat suite will not have the exact same data?

Dude, there is so much to argue about... you really wanna waste time with such stu.pid arguments?

Fvcking hell man.

agaugust:
Different Exocet variant, different 76mm gun, navionics not same, CIWS gun not same.....SAN Meko corvette is NOT same as Algerian Meko FRIGATE
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Its the same ship... fitted with different weapons.

And what we are talking about is the ability to fit weapons onto the hull of the ship... YOU HAVE PROVEN THE POINT WE WERE MAKING!!!

Dude, have you been drinking?

Are you really lonely or something and looking for people to talk to?

Patchesagain:
Who said anything about india?

We are bragging to YOU...

We are bragging about having a navy with warships... when all you have is a coast guard

You're going to India,


I do hope you know India has 2 Aircraft carries,

The Nigerian Navy is built to summarily defeat the contemporary threats we face, and we excel at it. We have the assets, men and training to continuously deploy and deal with that threat.




You..... You on the other hand, claims to have a Navy :

- 4 Corvettes armed with 3 missiles per ship

- 3 submarines

- 40 million dollars a unit SAR Helicopters

- Lone seaborne pilot

Is this what you call a Navy?

It seems that the fact that the valour classes have been sent to india and china for exercises has really upset the nigerians.

That is the only explanation for the ludicrous arguments they are presenting

Patchesagain:
So the exact same combat suite will not have the exact same data?

Dude, there is so much to argue about... you really wanna waste time with such stu.pid arguments?

Fvcking hell man.

Provide their data side by side, let us compare.


I'll make it easy for you, I'll provide the South-African data, while you provide the Algerian data.

Henry240:
You're going to India,


I do hope you know India has 2 Aircraft carries,

The Nigerian Navy is built to summarily defeat the contemporary threats we face, and we excel at it. We have the assets, men and training to continuously deploy and deal with that threat.




You..... You on the other hand, claims to have a Navy :

- 4 Corvettes armed with 3 missiles per ship

- 3 submarines

- 40 million dollars a unit SAR Helicopters

- Lone seaborne pilot

Is this what you call a Navy?

We are going to India and China - we are going to do training we cant do in RSA.

Guess who didnt get invited - Nigeria (even after spending all that money on Chinese equipment)

You have defeated nothing - Nigeria remains a world piracy and oil-theft hotspot

Our navy

- 4 corvettes with 4 SSM's eand 16 SAMs each (you have none), all of which are the most advanced in SSA

- 3 subs (you have none) The only and most advanced in SSA

- 4 of the most advanced maritime helos in SSA

- Multiple pilots for them.

In comparison nigeria has a fleet:

- 50% of which is non operational
- Ships have an average age of 40 years
- Has no actual warships
- Crashed their only warship 8 times
- Can only afford 2 modern OPV's (RSA is buying 4), both of which are stripped down
- Relys on american donations, all of which are stripped down
- Most sailors cannot swim
- Has no operational maritime helicopters
- Has not conducted high-intensity combat training in decades

You know what I call that? A coast guard with a rust fleet

Henry240:
Provide their data side by side, let us compare.


I'll make it easy for you, I'll provide the South-African data, while you provide the Algerian data.

So you are saying that the exact same combat suite does not have the exact same data?

Yes or no

Henry240:
Scratch that part in bold. We do not know the details of their combat suite, however we have seen the data of Valour class corvettes, and they prove the ships are obsolete.

Similar 3D radars, exactly the same Sonar, both will use Thales combat management systems, I feel the Valours locally developed RTS 6400 fire control Radar is in fact better than the SAAB CEROS200 Algeria will be fitting, exactly the same SAMs, same ASMs ect ect

agaugust:
Different Exocet variant, different 76mm gun, navionics not same, CIWS gun not same.....South African Meko corvette is NOT same as Algerian Meko FRIGATE....liar
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Same SAMs, Same ASMs(they only have a newer variant), Similar 3D radars, Exactly the same sonar, both will use thales combat management systems, our CIWS is better, did i say we have the same naval gun??

agaugust:
You bought ONLY 17 Exocets, your people claimed you test fired one on each ship, so how many Exocets do you have left ? Tell us with proof !

NNS centenary and NNS unity HP-J anti-missile decoys will waste your 13 Exocets and gun battle starts, then superior Nigerian 76mm stealth guns will sink Valour corvettes and your ancient 1970s rusted shorter range 76mm compact model guns that your foolish navy repainted from scrap yard putting non stealth gun on a stealth ship.....Nation of Zulu ïdïots !!
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Idio.t give us a proof of your claim or else we will just dismiss you as a lunatic.