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Scholar8200:
Besides, show me where you got that Church = Congregation from. It is wrong!

you don't even know your own scripture.. go find the word translated into Church by English people in greek Bible and check it's real meaning

DeathStroke007:
you don't even know your own scripture.. go find the word translated into Church by English people in greek Bible and check it's real meaning

I know the meaning and that is why I knew you were wrong but give your source first.

Scholar8200:
On the cross, the real death took place: Separation from God due to sin! From the beginning, He never experienced this hence the prayer, hence the strengthening. That is why when that separation happened, He cried out on the cross and gave up the Ghost shortly!

ok.. if Jesus was really on that cross, why is his last words are different? what was reported to be his last words on the cross is different according to bible

DeathStroke007:
chai.. see how you turn contradiction into the claim that Jesus never did claim.. ok.. lets assume your claim is right... if he's god . Who is he praying to? if he's god, why call himself son of god and servant of god

Good question!!!

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in[b] fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b]

Phil.2:6-8

Scholar8200:
I know the meaning and that is why I knew you were wrong but give your source first.

you so confident to say am wrong.. go copy and paste the greek original word in that verse and let's check it's meaning in greek dico

Scholar8200:
Good question!!!

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in[b] fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b]

Phil.2:6-8

.you haven't answered my question still.. besides.. it's Paul who never see Jesus that wrote the chapter of phik

"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..."-(MATTHEW 26:39).

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."-(JOSHUA 5:14).

"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees."-(1 KINGS 18:42).

"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces..."-(NUMBERS 20:6).

"And Abraham fell on his face..."-(GENESIS 17:3)

Muslims pray this way yet curiously Christians don't

DeathStroke007:
ok.. if Jesus was really on that cross, why is his last words are different? what was reported to be his last words on the cross is different according to bible

HE said all that was written!

Scholar8200:
Good question!!!

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in[b] fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b]

Phil.2:6-8

so you saying Jesus is god and god was born and god died on cross and god disappeared for days before showing himself to Mary Magdalene and god was beaten by people before he got crucified?

DeathStroke007:
.you haven't answered my question still.. besides.. it's Paul who never see Jesus that wrote the chapter of phik

Nice observation! Does it contradict John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

DeathStroke007:
so you saying Jesus is god and god was born and god died on cross and god disappeared for days before showing himself to Mary Magdalene and god was beaten by people before he got crucified?

Let me add:

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the [b]glory of God the Father.
[/b]Phil.2:9-11

hockeyoilers:
"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..."-(MATTHEW 26:39).

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."-(JOSHUA 5:14).

"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees."-(1 KINGS 18:42).

"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces..."-(NUMBERS 20:6).

"And Abraham fell on his face..."-(GENESIS 17:3)

Muslims pray this way yet curiously Christians don't

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:1

And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: Mark 11:25

I am weary with my groaning; all the night make I my bed to swim; I water my couch with my tears. Psalm 6:6

WHAT IS THE KEY FACTOR IN PRAYER:
With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early:
Isaiah 26:9a

and

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Mark 11:24

Pray goes beyond recitations and repetitions by rote!

[quote author=Scholar8200 post=42097571]Let me add:

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the [b]glory of God the Father.
[/b]Phil.2:9-11[/qu


all i want to my question is yes or no

Scholar8200:
Nice observation! Does it contradict John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

why twisting everything.. john was even wrote by paul... a verse said he's one with father.. means dey are equal.. or spiritually joined or linked .. and same verse.. also said father is greater than I..


word is flesh and so on only relates with i and father are one

DeathStroke007:
why twisting everything.. john was even wrote by paul... a verse said he's one with father.. means dey are equal.. or spiritually joined or linked .. and same verse.. also said father is greater than I..


word is flesh and so on only relates with i and father are one

1. I am not twisting anything, I did not write those!!!
2. Prove that John was written by Paul.(Paul was a hardened pharisee as at the time Jesus was crucified so the claim of his being the author is wrong. Was he in the upper room is Acts 1?)
3. Blue highlighted is correct.
4. Black highlighted became so because the Word was made flesh and was made in fashion as a man.
5. Red highlighted is wrong, Word became Flesh John 1:14 and. I and Father are One is a truth that was declared and expatiated upon in John 17:5,21(you quoted copiously from the Bible hence you can read these on your own)

Scholar8200:
1. I am not twisting anything, I did not write those!!!
2. Prove that John was written by Paul.(Paul was a hardened pharisee as at the time Jesus was crucified so the claim of his being the author is wrong. Was he in the upper room is Acts 1?)
3. Blue highlighted is correct.
4. Black highlighted became so because the Word was made flesh and was made in fashion as a man.
5. Red highlighted is wrong, Word became Flesh John 1:14 and. I and Father are One is a truth that was declared and expatiated upon in John 17:5,21(you quoted copiously from the Bible hence you can read these on your own)

you don't even know paul wrote chapter of john.. just google Aramaic Bible written in English and follow the link with v-a

DeathStroke007:
you don't even know paul wrote chapter of john.. just google Aramaic Bible written in English and follow the link with v-a

Paste it here for all to see.
All Paul's writngs were letters to Churches, not biographies. John authored all the books bearing his name and Revelations. And in keeping with the practise then, this does not mean he was the scribe just as some of Paul's letters were written through a scribe eg Tertius wrote Romans see Romans 16:22, Jeremiah authored the book that bear his name but Baruch assisted as a scribe etc

Scholar8200:
Paste it here for all to see.
All Paul's writngs were letters to Churches, not biographies. John authored all the books bearing his name and Revelations. And in keeping with the practise then, this does not mean he was the scribe just as some of Paul's letters were written through a scribe eg Tertius wrote Romans see Romans 16:22, Jeremiah authored the book that bear his name but Baruch assisted as a scribe etc

Scholar.. you sabi lie o.. why you telling lies xef.. you for shut up for matter you don't know na.. haba Tetius ko titus ni...

www.v-a.com/bible/letters_of_the_apostles.html

DeathStroke007:
Scholar.. you sabi lie o.. why you telling lies xef.. you for shut up for matter you don't know na.. haba Tetius ko titus ni...

www.v-a.com/bible/letters_of_the_apostles.html

Even your link confirms the use of scribes! Besides, there is NOTHING there that credits Paul as being the author of John's Gospel! The letters of the Apostle are NOT the Gospels! Those letters are 1,2 & 3 John and 1 and 2 Peter!

Moreover, Paul was beheaded long before John who was the one that lived longest. How then will Paul preserve the Gospel of John or the 3 letters of John and Revelations when he died before John?

Your site was authored by one who apparently wishes the Messiah came for Israel alone. This however contradicts many prophecies and God's promise to Abraham!

Like I said you are not the first and definitely will not be the last.

Scholar8200:
Even your link confirms the use of scribes! Besides, there is NOTHING there that credits Paul as being the author of John's Gospel! The letters of the Apostle are NOT the Gospels! Those letters are 1,2 & 3 John and 1 and 2 Peter!

Moreover, Paul was beheaded long before John who was the one that lived longest. How then will Paul preserve the Gospel of John or the 3 letters of John and Revelations when he died before John?

Your site was authored by one who apparently wishes the Messiah came for Israel alone. This however contradicts many prophecies and God's promise to Abraham!

Like I said you are not the first and definitely will not be the last.

ehn ehn.. paul beheaded? so that guy na lair abi.. d Christian who owns the site ...laughing

DeathStroke007:
ehn ehn.. paul beheaded? so that guy na lair abi.. d Christian who owns the site ...laughing

Go ahead and laugh while I bring more facts:

Writing in 2 Timothy 4:6–8, Paul seems to be anticipating his soon demise: “For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.

Second Timothy was written during Paul’s second Roman imprisonment in AD 64—67. There are a few different Christian traditions in regards to how Paul died, but the most commonly accepted one comes from the writings of[b] Eusebius, an early church historian.[/b] Eusebius claimed that Paul was beheaded at the order of the Roman emperor Nero [/b]or one of his subordinates. Paul’s martyrdom occurred shortly after much of Rome burned in a fire—an event that Nero blamed on the Christians.

www.gotquestions.org

Meanwhile, John the beloved lived till 100AD almost 33 year after Paul's death!


As regards the scribes:
21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.

22 [b]I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

Romans 16:21,22 Paul authored the epistle to the Romans but the scribe names himself here.

@deathstroke.... y are u soo obsessed with Christianity? you search the net, read the bible ... i believe u spend 20hours of your day trying to discredit it, looking for facts... my brother, christians know the Truth, so they dont need to dis credit other ppls religion just to prove their's is right... its always the guilty/false party that explains and explains and explains.... and tries to convince....

H2Ossss:
@deathstroke.... y are u soo obsessed with Christianity? you search the net, read the bible ... i believe u spend 20hours of your day trying to discredit it, looking for facts... my brother, christians know the Truth, so they dont need to dis credit other ppls religion just to prove their's is right... its always the guilty/false party that explains and explains and explains.... and tries to convince....

laughing... most Muslims are scholars in Bible but student in Quran

DeathStroke007:
laughing... most Muslims are scholars in Bible but student in Quran

thats your problem bro... scholars of Bible in that u read to understand and discredit when u feel its wrong... STUDENTS of the quran so you follow it sheepishly without asking questions... most of ya'll dont even know what is in the quran... bro... i lived in the north all my life... i know lots about both holy books and i dont need revelation to choose... probably try being a scholar of the quaran.(look for all the wrongs in it).. u might just run away from it... Anyway bro... i am a christian and i dont hate muslims as i believe both were blessed by God (as decsendants of Abraham, isaac and ishmeal)..... u sound intelligent bro, so use ur time more productively and stop trying wasting it on all these fruitless rants of yours against christianity. cheers my brother.

H2Ossss:
thats your problem bro... scholars of Bible in that u read to understand and discredit when u feel its wrong... STUDENTS of the quran so you follow it sheepishly without asking questions... most of ya'll dont even know what is in the quran... bro... i lived in the north all my life... i know lots about both holy books and i dont need revelation to choose... probably try being a scholar of the quaran.(look for all the wrongs in it).. u might just run away from it... Anyway bro... i am a christian and i dont hate muslims as i believe both were blessed by God (as decsendants of Abraham, isaac and ishmeal)..... u sound intelligent bro, so use ur time more productively and stop trying wasting it on all these fruitless rants of yours against christianity. cheers my brother.

laughing in Chinese.... north, hausa different from Islam.. and you just proved urself to know nothing about Islam ... I studied Quran, tried to find fault but it doesn't have.. but Bible has.. Hadith has faults....


am not preaching hatred or something bad.. all am preaching is the true way....................... it's not a must you accept, but just acknowledge the truth.. thousands of people will go through these threads... those who will change Will change.. those who won't will not...



Allah said it Himself, He will only set to path whoever He wishes.. All am doing is just like reminding us of our reason Allah created us

DeathStroke007:
laughing in Chinese.... north, hausa different from Islam.. and you just proved urself to know nothing about Islam ... I studied Quran, tried to find fault but it doesn't have.. but Bible has.. Hadith has faults....


am not preaching hatred or something bad.. all am preaching is the true way....................... it's not a must you accept, but just acknowledge the truth.. thousands of people will go through these threads... those who will change Will change.. those who won't will not...



Allah said it Himself, He will only set to path whoever He wishes.. All am doing is just like reminding us of our reason Allah created us

surah 3:45, Jesus was referred to as d Messiah, Jesus was also refferd to as d word of God.... Jesus was refferd to as the messiah about 11 times in the quran... the only person being afforded that title (messiah means saviour) , yet the quran still believes he is like any oda prophet....
how contradictory... dont u think? please dont believe me my friend, believe your quran....Jesus is the Messiah. will u say its a lie and call your quran false?

H2Ossss:
surah 3:45, Jesus was referred to as d Messiah, Jesus was also refferd to as d word of God.... Jesus was refferd to as the messiah about 11 times in the quran... the only person being afforded that title (messiah means saviour) , yet the quran still believes he is like any oda prophet....
how contradictory... dont u think? please dont believe me my friend, believe your quran....Jesus is the Messiah. will u say its a lie and call your quran false?

I bet ur Imam never told u that right? whixh other messenger of God had the title of Messiah in the quran? but yet just to discredit christianity u pick d part where it said he was just a messenger and ignore other parts he was called a spirit from God (which i can call holy spirit), the word of God, or the messiah..(saviour of the world). Am damn sure prophet mohmmed read d bible and just recopied it... while changing some stuff to make it look original... hezz quite a brilliant fellow...

H2Ossss:
surah 3:45, Jesus was referred to as d Messiah, Jesus was also refferd to as d word of God.... Jesus was refferd to as the messiah about 11 times in the quran... the only person being afforded that title (messiah means saviour) , yet the quran still believes he is like any oda prophet....
how contradictory... dont u think? please dont believe me my friend, believe your quran....Jesus is the Messiah. will u say its a lie and call your quran false?

laughing.... alaye shey you go through school ni abi na school go through you? olodo rabata ni e o.. seriously you don't have anything upstairs.. probably you are blinded by hatred that you can't even see you saying rubbish..



Messiah never means GOD or CREATOR..


according to the bible, Messiah means Prophet of God, a person sent by God to save someone or nation or the world.. Jesus is only the Messiah of Isreal.... Prophet Muhammad was sent to the whole world, he's the Messiah of the world. Messiah means Prophet, teacher, rabbi, Master..




according to English dictionary, Messiah means

a leader who is believed to have the power to solve the world's problems:
An ordinary priest, he was hailed by thousands as the new messiah.
the Messiah
› in the Christian religion, Jesus Christ
› in the Jewish religion, a king who will be
sent by God to save the Jewish people
(Definition of messiah from the Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)


“messiah”: synonyms and related words:
archbishop archbishopric
archdeacon ayatollah bishop
clerical confessor curacy
curate deacon muezzin
mullah padre papal
parish clerk rabbi rector
sexton swami the Curia.......

Dude...first of all, its AREN'T these....not ISN'T these

and second, why are you so obsessed with the Bible? Just become a christian already... you want us to woo you first abi?