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agaugust:
[s]Show us proof you have 4 Chakas.

Do you know how many Eagles we have too?

Conclusion, one Chaka C2 commands ONLY 5,000 troops. One Eagle commands A WHOLE army + air force combined !

Thanks for admitting that One Nigerian army Eagle C2 = Ten SANDF Chaka C2 [/s]

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patches689:
Not even worth responding to

Are you intentionally killing this thread?

And yes we can, each system commands 5k men... we have 3 right now... they can be linked via LinkZA

agaugust:
[s]Your LinkZA is half dead, it is a mere INTERCOM, you have no complete data link....if you connect Chaka to it, then your C2 is half dead ![/s]

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patches689:
No where does it say what you claim, no where at all.

We have 4:
The initial order was for equipment sufficient for three simultaneous peacekeeping operations and one training exercise.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9810/

agaugust:
ONLY ONE Chaka C2 is reported delivered according to your own source !

"The South African Army will early next year take delivery of the first operational variants of the SAAB Systems Grintek “Chaka” brigade-and-below command-and-control system. " http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9810/

Show us proof that 4 Chakas are delivered to SANDF.

Remember, One NA Eagle C2 = Hundred SANDF Chaka C2....Fact that you have already proved from SANDF sources !
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patches689:
1. Each INDEPENDENT Chaka system is designed to command 5000 men. We have 3, so that is 15 000 men on the feild commanded by C3. These systems can then be linked together for a broader picture via link ZA AND then you can integrate the air-forces APDS

agaugust:
Only ONE SINGLE Chaka is reported delivered, show proof you have more than one C2 Chaka.

patches689:
The initial order was for equipment sufficient for three simultaneous peacekeeping operations and one training exercise.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9810/

Can you please quote where it says that the Eagle has those capabilities?

agaugust:
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"The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post is a vehicle mounted with various Information Communication and Technology equipment. This on board equipment gives the Theatre Commander the opportunity to have first hand information of the battle space. From the vehicle the commander has access to both ground troops and air assets within the battle space .


The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post was borne is a mobile Central Command Post that is designed to link up with the troops in the field, as well as the command hierarchy.

With this, the President, Commander-in-Chief, Minister of Defence, Chief of Defence Staff and the Service Chiefs can have real time contact with the troops in the field. Added to this, the Eagle Mobile Central Command Post affords close monitoring of the activities of the troops and passage of real time information from strategic level to operational and tactical levels.


Furthermore, the platform affords the Chief of Air Staff on the move to have a look at the performance of surveillance or reconnaissance aircrafts ."


http://www.nationalhelm.com/2016/01/photos-checkout-treasured-mobile.html

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Eagle C2 commands a whole battle theatre of an army and air force, NOT a tiny brigade of men like the toy Chaka C2
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agaugust:
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Eagle C2 of Nigerian army :

All equipment NOT shown in photo, many hardware hidden inside vehicle. CONFIRMED !

"The Eagle Mobile Central Command Post is a vehicle mounted with various Information Communication and Technology equipment."

http://www.nationalhelm.com/2016/01/photos-checkout-treasured-mobile.html

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patches689:
[size=13pt]"The Hornet Command Post is a vehicle mounted with various Information Communication and Technology equipment."[/size]

Its fun what we can do with vauge and general language

agaugust:
[size=13pt]Is the Hornet a confirmed C2 system ? Tell us how many troops size it can command, we have Chaka C2 data, give us Hornet C2 data or at least a report on it's capabilities.....LOL....I see one old school radio comms and a manual typewriter there....no visual display. LOL
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agaugust:
Thief, your first photo is a simulation training room of many students with many computers, that's NOT C2 command post or is it trainee students that command SANDF officers in battle zone ?

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38905:successful-simulation-exercise-at-ctc&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Fraud ! SANDF C2 is just one tiny laptop computer in one MRAP called Chaka C2 for 5,000 troops command only !

Eagle C2 of Nigeria beats SANDF Chaka C2 by 100 times more power/capacity ! Eagle commands a whole army and air force for Nigeria.

We own you, your army CANNOT command and control in remote area once the troops exceed 5,000 men !
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agaugust:
Show us proof you have 4 Chakas.

Do you know how many Eagles we have too?

Conclusion, one Chaka C2 commands ONLY 5,000 troops. One Eagle commands A WHOLE army + air force combined !

Thanks for admitting that One Nigerian army Eagle C2 = Hundred SANDF Chaka C2

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jln115:
The first pic is of the Battletech testing room, that forms part of the Chaka C2!!

Rest of your post is just your regular retarded Bull_shit

patches689:
Please highlight where it says that it can command "a whole battle theater of 30 000 troops and 100s of aircraft"

agaugust:
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I posted the source and details above on this page, you saw it and read it....but it hurts your ego so badly as it outclasses your Chaka C2

Battle space, Eagle commands a whole battle space for a theatre commander....NOT one small brigade for a brigade commander like Chaka C2.

One Nigerian Eagle C2 = Hundred South African Chaka C2....PROVED !!!![/s]
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agaugust:

LOL....does SANDF carry the BattleTek 30 people with 30 laptops playing war games ALL inside one tiny Chaka C2 MRAP on battlefield deployment in war zone ?

You need urgent brain surgery dude.

patches689:
Your link does not say 30 000 men and 100 aircraft.

agaugust:
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Does NOT have to say it, that is the size of Nigerian army troops and air force deployed in Boko Haram war zone where the Eagle commands.

Battle space, entire battle space, size of a country....One Eagle C2 commands that much.

Chaka C2 is totally beaten and outclassed by the EAGLE ![/s]

patches689:
That is not what it says. Battlespace is a very broad term.

Chaka also manages a whole battle-space, the battle-space of a Brigade.


battlespace
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(Military)
a. the area of air, sea, and land that is directly involved in war

While furthermore, Chaka is just one aspect of LinkZA... we have airforce APDS combining with multiple Chaka systems through LinkZA to provide a broad picture of up to 2 divisions in the feild plus aircraft and vessels, and that is just with the systems we have purchased. See, it is a network.

or did you think that Chaka was just one stand alone asset? We are not like you, we have more than node-to-node capabilities.

Now, you said 30 000 men and 100 aircraft. Please provide details to substantiate this.

agaugust:
[s]Stop asking for old citations to be reposted for you, these facts are already posted on this forum many times before.

NA had initial 25,000 men before President Jonathan added extra 5,000 SF and COIN brigade.

"Nigeria has up to 25,000 soldiers deployed in its anti-insurgency operations. That’s such a large chunk of its combat-ready troops, the government is considering withdrawing soldiers from peacekeeping missions elsewhere."

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-african-union-readies-an-army-to-beat-boko-haram-694150ba6ebb#.pbz8ixpv6

Count NAF F-7s, Alphas, Drones, Mi-24s, Mi-35s, Mi-171s, ATR-42s, Beechcrafts, Agustas, Pumas, Gazelles, Fennecs, Hercules, Dorniers, Diamonds, G-222s....we have seen all these aircraft flying total of about 6,000 combat sorties in the battle space.

Stop fvcking around, Nigerian Eagle C2 commands a whole battle space and is ALREADY BATTLE TESTED unlike your Chaka C2 that is only used in demos not real war zones yet !

The mess you created on the other thread has turned against y.ou now and is showing the weakness of your overrated Chaka C2 [/s]
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patches689:
No.

Those 30 people will be sitting 100's of Km away in J-OPs. Running the Chaka system, like they trained for with BattleTek.

As I have allready shown you in the links above.

Is the content of the links to difficult? Are you struggling to comprehend them?

agaugust:
[s]Story story....tales by moonlight....imaginary war....30 people playing video games [/s]
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patches689:
I dont care about your "argument"

What I care about is this, you said:

"it commands 30 000 men, 100 aircraft"

Show me where it says this. Where does it list specifications and capabilities that tells you this?

agaugust:
It commands that size of NA and NAF in NE war zone today.
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Eagle cannot be said to command a particular number limitations, IT COMMANDS A WHOLE BATTLE SPACE....put 100,000 men and 500 aircraft into any battle space, Eagle C2 of Nigeria will command and control them.

Chaka C2 commands ONLY 5,000 troops maximum ! SANDF is inferior, Chaka is a toy compared to Eagle.

Patches, why did SANDF choose to be inferior to Nigerian army in C2 capabilities, can you guess why ?[/s]
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patches689:
As I have allready shown battle-space is a realative term. A battle-space can be the size of a platoon engagement.

List where it says it can command 100 000 men and 500 aircraft

Provide technical information to prove this point.

And again, you are clearly failing to understand how a network operates - multiple Chakas operate together under J-OPs.

SAAB Systems SA MD Willie Bothma said in August 2008 the deal represented a major leap forward in the utilisation of information technology to improve the operational effectiveness of the SA Army, the SA National Defence Force and its Joint Operations Division that exercises C2 over all deployed forces. "Planning time will be reduced drastically and orders can now be sent instantaneously in near real-time", said Bothma.

agaugust:
LOL....ya shot ya self in da foot ! How is a BattleTek simulator TESTING ROOM same as real combat command and control ? Battle Tek is war game players practicing on laptops, I have war game simulator in my office you fool !

C2 is real war command and control of men fighting a real enemy on a real battlefield....you are a big fraud !
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