agaugust:


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Stop mixing different photos dude ! The many computers lined up in that first photo is NOT a vehicle mobile Chaka C2, that photo is a simulator room playing for war games . All we see in a real Chaka C2 MRAP is one single tiny computer !



LOL....we have seen your Chaka C2 data and specs, it is confirmed to be a low capacity C2 platform for commanding ONLY a maximum of 5,000 troops.....it's for brigade level and below on a small piece of land space, maybe just a city.

Nigerian Eagle C2 commands a whole army and a whole air force in a whole battle theater as big as a country, Eagle is 100 times superiror and more powerful than your toy Chaka C2 !!!
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agaugust:


Battle space, Eagle commands any size battle space....no limits !

Patches, why did SANDF choose to be inferior to Nigerian army in C2 capabilities, can you guess why ?
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agaugust:


Show us proof you have 4 Chakas.

Do you know how many Eagles we have too?

Conclusion, one Chaka C2 commands ONLY 5,000 troops. One Eagle commands A WHOLE army + air force combined !

Thanks for admitting that One Nigerian army Eagle C2 = Hundred SANDF Chaka C2

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agaugust:



You are the one deceiving people on every thread just to make your country look greater at the expense of other countries.

My source is South African Defenceweb and is official !!!!!

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⦿ Chaka C2 is ONLY for brigade sized forces and below....means maximum 5,000 troops coordination limited capability.

"Exercise Ndlovu, now underway, is expected to provide the South African Army and Joint Operations (J Ops) Division a first opportunity to test the recently-delivered Chaka brigade-and-below C2 system . "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20892



⦿ Chaka C2 system is ONLY for small brigade sized military operations, NOT an entire battle space the size of Scotland


⦿ Nigerian Eagle C2 is superior, it commands and controls, manages whole battle space for a WHOLE ARMY OF 30,000 TROOPS and A WHOLE AIR FORCE OF 100 AIRCRAFT, Chake C2 of SANDF is limited ONLY to 5,000 troops.....Brigade size and below to battalion of 600 troops
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Centrifude:


Hey Dumb A** I didn't make anything up your own Source said
"Mobile C2 systems to support
battalion and company commanders, and
location sensors, called "Impi" to track own
forces. The Army wanted enough of these to
support three simultaneous peace support
operations elsewhere in Africa and one
training
exercise at home."

The last time I check a Battalion was larger than a brigade

You've killed your own argument with your own source. bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! what a dumb a**!!!

We don't need to argue with you, all we need to do is watch you self-destruct like you always do.

agaugust:




LOL....that means the entire South African air force C2 system is ordinary video conferencing, see your SAAF telephone and TV screen in your South African air force command and control post

http://www.af.mil.za/news/2009/034_2009.htm



SAAF has NO C2 systems according to your definition !!!!!!!
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patches689:


1. Nobody is talking about C2, we are talking about C3 and its derivatives.

Remeber: Officer + map + Radio = C2

2. Nothing in that article indicates sophistication of the level that the SANDF has achieved

agaugust:


[s]Battle space, Eagle commands any size battle space....no limits !

Patches, why did SANDF choose to be inferior to Nigerian army in C2 capabilities, can you guess why ?[/s]
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agaugust:

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Wow ! The South Africans have stopped talking about Nigerian Eagle C2 telephone and TV....

After we showed the their South African air force command post using similar telephone and TV.

The Southies are now eating their own smelly shiit....reaping what they sowed ![/s]

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Henry240:


The Nigerian military on Wednesday said the Military
Command and Control Centre (MCCC) in Maiduguri and
Yola will be operational within 21 days.
This was contained in a statement by Col. Sani Usman, the
Acting Director of Army Public Relations in Abuja, who
noted that the military had commenced the installation of
hi-tech equipment and infrastructure development of the
MCCC in Maiduguri and Yola.


Usman said the installations of the equipment and the
posting of the additional staff were to be completed within
21 days when the centre would be fully operational.
He said that with the establishment of the centre, all
strategic and operational decisions on the fight against
terrorism and insurgency would emanate from the MCCC.
“This will ensure faster response time; improve situational
awareness and better coordination of all stakeholders.

patches689:


Augustine.

Stop being facetious.

Provide technical data for the eagle to prove your claims

patches689:


1. Nobody is talking about C2, we are talking about C3 and its derivatives.

Remeber: Officer + map + Radio = C2

2. Nothing in that article indicates sophistication of the level that the SANDF has achieved

jln115:

Actually it other way around , the Chaka C2 system is a brigade and below C2 system, with the mobile Chaka's used for Battalion and below.

A brigade consists out of 5000 troop, thus 4 Chaka systems = 20 000 troops all interlinked/Inter operable thanks to Link ZA.....Overkill considering we will not even deploy more than 5000 soldier even in a full blown war!!

Henry240:


A bunch of guys pressing laptops doesn't equal sophistication you hopeless m0ron.


My article clearly states Hi-Tech Infrastructure. Evidence available shows Nigeria's C2 sophistication is light years ahead of anything the SANDF can muster.

Henry240:


A bunch of guys pressing laptops doesn't equal sophistication you hopeless m0ron.


My article clearly states Hi-Tech Infrastructure. Evidence available shows Nigeria's C2 sophistication is light years ahead of anything the SANDF can muster.

agaugust:



You are the one deceiving people on every thread just to make your country look greater at the expense of other countries.

My source is South African Defenceweb and is official !!!!!

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⦿ Chaka C2 is ONLY for brigade sized forces and below....means maximum 5,000 troops coordination limited capability.

"Exercise Ndlovu, now underway, is expected to provide the South African Army and Joint Operations (J Ops) Division a first opportunity to test the recently-delivered Chaka brigade-and-below C2 system . "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20892



⦿ Chaka C2 system is ONLY for small brigade sized military operations, NOT an entire battle space the size of Scotland


⦿ Nigerian Eagle C2 is superior, it commands and controls, manages whole battle space for a WHOLE ARMY OF 30,000 TROOPS and A WHOLE AIR FORCE OF 100 AIRCRAFT, Chake C2 of SANDF is limited ONLY to 5,000 troops.....Brigade size and below to battalion of 600 troops
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Henry240:


A bunch of guys pressing laptops doesn't equal sophistication you hopeless m0ron.


My article clearly states Hi-Tech Infrastructure. Evidence available shows Nigeria's C2 sophistication is light years ahead of anything the SANDF can muster.

jln115:
[size=14pt]"The level of sophistication used in these systems would ordinarily be expected in NATO or American military use, rather than an African military, yet the C2 training and operational software in use from Saab a "Proudly South African" suite and is one of the brightest beacons for the SANDFs future C2 capability"[/size]

Centrifude:


Hey Dumb A** I didn't make anything up your own Source said
"Mobile C2 systems to support
battalion and company commanders, and
location sensors, called "Impi" to track own
forces. The Army wanted enough of these to
support three simultaneous peace support
operations elsewhere in Africa and one
training
exercise at home."

[size=13pt] The last time I check a Battalion was larger than a brigade. [/size]

You've killed your own argument with your own source. bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! what a dumb a**!!!

We don't need to argue with you, all we need to do is watch you self-destruct like you always do.

jln115:

So your saying an army General developed a C2 system more sophisticated than one that took dozens of SAABs best engineers years and millions of dollars to develop??

mzilakazi:
SANDF TROOPS RETAKE THE BASE IN CONGO.

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/sa-troops-battle-armed-group-drc-retake-base

patches689:


1. No, your article makes no mention of that.

So lets deal with the facts:


Level of Sophistication:
"The level of sophistication used in these systems would ordinarily be expected in NATO or American military use, rather than an African military, yet the C2 training and operational software in use from Saab a "Proudly South African" suite and is one of the brightest beacons for the SANDFs future C2 capability"

So we can see that it is as sophisticated as NATO systems.


Now, lets talk about integration

Brigade/Battalion/Company:

The system architecture the Army sought had to consist of a static C2 system to support brigade headquarters, mobile C2 systems to support battalion and company commanders, and location sensors, called “Impi” to track own forces.

Division Level:
Joint Operations Division that exercises C2 over all deployed forces. "Planning time will be reduced drastically and orders can now be sent instantaneously in near real-time", said Bothma.

National Level:
Saab Systems SA previously also developed and built the heart of SA Air Force's Air Picture Display System (APDS), which is that service's air mission C2 system. "With this new contract SAAB Systems SA adds the landward command and control domain to the existing air command and control domain in one business entity," noted Bothma. "The advantage to the SANDF is that the expertise gained in the air environment is also available for the landward Command and Control domain. Furthermore, Saab Systems SA has already integrated elements of both systems to move towards the achievement of a more integrated joint command and control system for the SANDF."

So there you have it, specific deatils of intergration from the Company level - to battalion - to brigade and then straight to J-OPS with completed intergration of the GBADS systems as well as SAAF APDS

This is no longer a contest for us

agaugust:



Bwahahaha

Read your long story very well, it is NOT talking about one single Chaka C2 mobile vehicle, it is talking about the possibility of having several fixed land based and mobile Chakas combined with army and aiir force command and control rooms ground based at army HQ and airports, it even added the SAAF Air Picture land head office/HQ and airport building based command and control center as part of the integration that is IMAGINARY and drawn on a 3D artist photo which you posted above.


Fact remains....One Nigerian Eagle C2 = Hundred Chaka C2 brigade level & below only capacity.

CONFIRMED BY SOUTH AFRICAN OFFICIAL SOURCES.

agaugust:


Did you read your source before you posted it? It says further..

Just a few months ago, dozens of soldiers were recalled from the DRC on charges of misconduct and have since been dismissed from the force.

Earlier this year, a UN report, spanning 2010 to 2013, rated South African soldiers as among the worst sexual offenders on UN peacekeeping missions."

Bwhahahaa SANDF troops become evil räpists in Congo DRC ! Congrats, evil Southies spoiling the name of their fatherland abroad....räpist soldiers of South Africa, räping the wives and children of their fellow African brothers in Congo peace mission...Shame on you all !!!

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jln115:

Actually it other way around , the Chaka C2 system is a brigade and below C2 system, with the mobile Chaka's used for Battalion and below.

A brigade consists out of 5000 troop, thus 4 Chaka systems = 20 000 troops all interlinked/Inter operable thanks to Link ZA.....Overkill considering we will not even deploy more than 5000 soldier even in a full blown war!!

mzilakazi:
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This man thinks we have only one single Chaka for a brigade and below. We have procured Chaka for many Brigades and below.


Do you mean this is what commands the whole army?

agaugust:



Hey dude, the fact that you said a battalion is bigger than a brigade makes the whole of your comment go to the distbin.

A battalion is 400 to 1,000 men depending on the army or country.

A brigade is 4,000 to 5,000 men depending on the army or country.

You can google it, I need post no source.

So how do you debate with us Nigerians if we have to lecture you on definition of a battalion ?
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agaugust:






Only ONE SINGLE Chaka C2 has been delivered to SANDF, show us proof that 4 was delivered as you claim, prove it !
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