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Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC:
DeathStroke007:
your proof Barnabas didn't speak Spanish
.. your proof that the Bible was written 1500years ago and your claims with the crucifixion
Now I am wondering if you even took time to read up on the life of the real Barnabas.

The real Barnabas is a Hebrew who lived his later life and died in the Island of Cyprus. Cyprus has always a Greek speaking land. Even his relic were later discovered under a cherry tree in Cyprus. There is no record of him going to Spain or knowing the spanish language. If there is a language he should know, it should be greek and not spanish.

On the other hand your gospel of Barnabas was found to be written in Spanish and italian not in Hebrew or Greek that the real Barnabas would have written it if he were to be the author.

Except maybe you are going to show me any proof he knew Spanish in his lifetime.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 9:07am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Now I am wondering if you even took time to read up on the life of the real Barnabas.

The real Barnabas is a Hebrew who lived his later life and died in the Island of Cyprus. Cyprus has always been and is still in the present day Greece and a Greek speaking land. Even his relic were later discovered under a cherry tree in Cyprus. There is no record of him going to Spain or knowing the spanish language. If there is a language he should know, it should be greek and not spanish.

On the other hand your gospel of Barnabas was found to be written in Spanish and italian not in Hebrew or Greek that the real Barnabas would have written it if he were to be the author.

Except maybe you are going to show me any proof he knew Spanish in his lifetime.
story... did he knew Jesus?
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 9:08am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Like seriously is this even worth debating on?


Herod ruled Judea from 37BC to 4BC while Pilate's reign was from 26AD to 36AD there is a clear 30 years difference between their regimes.

Herod ruled while Jesus was born while Pilate ruled during the period of his death. Both never ruled during his birth like your gospel of barnabas errornously want us to believe. So for someone who claimed to be an eye witness to commit such historic blunder casts a serious doubt on his claims.

Yes I refer to him as "A Barnabas" because this so called Barnabas can't be same as. Paul's companion.
now am sure you know nothing about Barnabas
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 9:09am On Jan 30, 2016
Richirich713:
When was the Gospel of Barnabas written ?

And isn't it corrupted?
google is your friend... it's not corrupted.. he writes based on what he saw and heard
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by unphilaz(m): 9:15am On Jan 30, 2016
malvisguy212:
Surah 10:94: If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto
thee, then ask those who have been
reading the Book from before thee:
the Truth hath indeed come to thee
from thy Lord: so be in no wise of
those in doubt. (Yusuf Ali)

How is it that Allah is telling Christians to observe the Torah and the Gospel when these very Scriptures both prophesy and teach that Jesus was put to death at the instigation of the Jews? And how is it that Allah is telling Muhammad to consult the very people who believe in the death of Jesus, when he is overcome by doubts? By denying the death of Jesus Christ and yet at the same time affirming the Bible as God’s authoritative Word, Allah exposes his ignorance. He wrongly assumed that his denial of the death of Jesus did not conflict with his views that the Holy Bible was God’s preserved Word. This proves that the author of the Qur’an is an imposter. Therefore, the Qur’an cannot be inspired by the true God. The Qur’an is clearly in error since it affirms the preservation and authority of the Holy Bible while denying one of its essential teachings.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 9:24am On Jan 30, 2016
And oh you need a proof the so called Bible was written 1500 years ago?

Well let me make it clear that I was even trying to go soft on the muslims and massage their ego with that otherwise I don't believe it was written 1500 years ago.

I rather believe it was a medieval forgery of the 14th century through the 16th century AD probably 1500AD you get?

Why because the author clearly used the popular errornous believe that only took place in the 14th century before it was corrected.

Consider the quote from chapter 82 of your bible below

Insomuch that the year of Jubilee which now comes every 100 years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place
Consider the "now" in the above quote showing as at the time of the above writing the Jubilee was celebrated every hundred years which may likely not be so from the onset.

Now you and I know the jubilee year is celebrated every 50 years and not 100.

For the sake of clarity I will post where God gave that instruction in the Bible.

Consecrate every Fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all the inhabitants, it shall be a Jubilee year for you. Lev 25:10

Now let me tell you a story smiley

In the year 1300 AD, Pope Boniface VIII proclaimed that jubilee year should henceforth be celebrated every 100 years contrary to the 50 years it was sanctioned to be celebrated by God, but the next Pope being Pope Clement VI changed it back to every 50 years and so it was celebrated in the year 1350, now there was only a span of 50 years in history when people believed the Jubilee year comes every 100 years and it is between 1300 and 1350 AD.

It is only then that any body would have written "the jubilee year which now comes every 100 years.

So the writer of your gospel of Barnabas much have written within these fifty years of erroneous belief. cheesy

This is just one of the reasons I believe it couldn't have been written by the real Barnabas who lived and died within the first century AD.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 9:39am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
seems you blind.. you no see gospel of Barnabas abi.

gospel of Barnabas is my source




Barnabas spent time with Jesus, he's an apostle of Jesus. Jesus appointed him to write his gospel..



of course you don't know... you have been fed Pauline lies since you were borne
DeathStroke007:
story... did he knew Jesus?
DeathStroke007:
google is your friend... it's not corrupted.. he writes based on what he saw and heard
I never really wanted to go this far but it seems you didn't even know the real Barnabas wasn't among the 12 apostles of Jesus.

Referring to him is just like referring to Paul as an apostle. They weren't with Jesus like the 12 apostles. I really don't know where you are getting your informations from.

Like seriously he was with Jesus and Jesus asked him to write what? Smh una no go kill person grin
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by Richirich713: 9:42am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
google is your friend... it's not corrupted.. he writes based on what he saw and heard
Google tells me it's a medieval forgery.

If it's not corrupted why does it say Jesus is not the Messiah? Doesn't the Quran say Jesus is the Messiah.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 9:45am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
now am sure you know nothing about Barnabas
Lol really?
Teach me oh thou learned one, the knowledge of the real Barnabas to learn for I hunger and thirst for this knowledge.

I am but a handmaid of the Lord cheesy
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 9:47am On Jan 30, 2016
malvisguy212:
Weldon my brother, God bless you.
God bless you too dear. I am a sister though cheesy
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 9:50am On Jan 30, 2016
Richirich713:
Google tells me it's a medieval forgery.

If it's not corrupted why does it say Jesus is not the Messiah? Doesn't the Quran say Jesus is the Messiah.
Chai you beat me to this. I wanted to let him come out fully first and prove he believed the gospel of Barnabas before I start showing him where it contradicts his koran, then he will be made to choose between gospel of Barnabas and his koran.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by Richirich713: 10:26am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Chai you beat me to this. I wanted to let him come out fully first and prove he believed the gospel of Barnabas before I start showing him where it contradicts his koran, then he will be made to choose between gospel of Barnabas and his koran.
I'm pretty sure he's unaware that it contradicts the Quran, that why I asked him if it's corrupted.

Since he said it's not corrupted I would like to see how he will explain these contradictions.

I really hope he's not going with "if it agrees with Quran it's not corrupted but if it doesn't agree, it's corrupted"
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 10:30am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Lol really?
Teach me oh thou learned one, the knowledge of the real Barnabas to learn for I hunger and thirst for this knowledge.

I am but a handmaid of the Lord cheesy
go read his entire gospel...
Then do research on the relationship between Barnabas and Paul
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 10:32am On Jan 30, 2016
Richirich713:
Google tells me it's a medieval forgery.

If it's not corrupted why does it say Jesus is not the Messiah? Doesn't the Quran say Jesus is the Messiah.
#groaning in anger#


OLODO ni e.. Messiah means prophet
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 10:33am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
I never really wanted to go this far but it seems you didn't even know the real Barnabas wasn't among the 12 apostles of Jesus.

Referring to him is just like referring to Paul as an apostle. They weren't with Jesus like the 12 apostles. I really don't know where you are getting your informations from.

Like seriously he was with Jesus and Jesus asked him to write what? Smh una no go kill person grin
laughing... mention the 12 disciples with source of your claim
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 10:35am On Jan 30, 2016
Richirich713:
I'm pretty sure he's unaware that it contradicts the Quran, that why I asked him if it's corrupted.

Since he said it's not corrupted I would like to see how he will explain these contradictions.

I really hope he's not going with "if it agrees with Quran it's not corrupted but if it doesn't agree, it's corrupted"
He already made the blanket statement "it's not corrupted" he can no longer cherrypick what to believe therefore if there is any contradiction between the two, the Quran must be the one in error, since according to them, the gospel of Barnabas was written before the Quran and this further cast doubts on the authenticity of Mohammed and his Quran.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by Richirich713: 10:36am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
#groaning in anger#


OLODO ni e.. Messiah means prophet
Are u for real?

Show me anywhere in the Quran or evens hadith where anyone besides Jesus is called Messiah.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 10:39am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
go read his entire gospel...
Then do research on the relationship between Barnabas and Paul
I have read it, my post doesn't in anyway sound like that of a complete novice and your one liners aren't enough to take me back to re-reading it.

As for the research, do it yourself and bring your findings here. Am waiting.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 10:46am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
laughing... mention the 12 disciples with source of your claim
Lol I know am teaching you but no wahala... Am having a good laugh here grin

Here are the 12 apostles
Peter, James and John (sons of Zebedee), Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Mathew, Thomas, James (son of Alpheus), Theddaeus, Simon, and Judas.

And try to learn the difference between the apostles and disciples. smiley
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 11:00am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Lol I know am teaching you but no wahala... Am having a good laugh here grin

Here are the 12 apostles
Peter, James and John (sons of Zebedee), Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Mathew, Thomas, James (son of Alpheus), Theddaeus, Simon, and Judas.

And try to learn the difference between the apostles and disciples. smiley
disciples not apostles
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 11:03am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
I have read it, my post doesn't in anyway sound like that of a complete novice and your one liners aren't enough to take me back to re-reading it.

As for the research, do it yourself and bring your findings here. Am waiting.
if you know everything about Paul, you would know Barnabas... that's your flaw
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 11:04am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
disciples not apostles
Stop clutching on straws there is nothing like 12 disciples. And your Barnabas in that his gospel claimed to be an Apostle whereas there are 12 apostles and no Barnabas among them.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 11:05am On Jan 30, 2016
Richirich713:
Are u for real?

Show me anywhere in the Quran or evens hadith where anyone besides Jesus is called Messiah.
language is your problem..
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 11:07am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Stop clutching on straws there is nothing like 12 disciples. And your Barnabas in that his gospel claimed to be an Apostle whereas there are 12 apostles and no Barnabas among them.
so, na apostle Jesus have no be disciples abi....



and Paul wasn't among the apostle right
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 11:09am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
if you know everything about Paul, you would know Barnabas... that's your flaw
Guy shift joor. Your lines are becoming too lame smiley

If you know everything about paul or even your Barnabas why not post it here.

I do hope it won't be that ridiculous muslim mantra of Paul and Barnabas being enemies simply because the Bible said they disagreed on who to take along in their journey.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by DeathStroke007(op): 11:12am On Jan 30, 2016
SalC:
Guy shift joor. Your lines are becoming too lame smiley

If you know everything about paul or even your Barnabas why not post it here.

I do hope it won't be that ridiculous muslim mantra of Paul and Barnabas being enemies simply because the Bible said they disagreed on who to take along in their journey.
lol... chai.. so you know Paul na barnabas apprentice before.. and you dey lie
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by Richirich713: 11:19am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
language is your problem..
If u could show me where muhammad is called Messiah I would believe u.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 11:22am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
so, na apostle Jesus have no be disciples abi....



and Paul wasn't among the apostle right
Smh see kweshion chai.

Jesus had 12 apostles and many disciples.
Neither Paul nor Barnabas was among these 12 apostles.

Paul was the one who later referred to himself as an apostle and that doesn't mean he is among the twelve.

Neither the Bible nor paul nor Barnabas himself ever referred to himself as an apostle.

So saying Barnabas was an apostle and Jesus instructed him to write his gospel sounds crazy.

If there are people who were with Jesus all along and so write about him first hand, it should be those among the 12.

If you noticed, Paul himself never wrote first hand account of Jesus' life but more of visionary accounts or the ones he read.
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC:
DeathStroke007:
lol... chai.. so you know Paul na barnabas apprentice before.. and you dey lie
Apprentice ke? All along I've used the word companion for them and not apprentice. Non of them is a disciple to the other. They are co-preachers.

So far you've seen you started a topic you don't know jack about.

Next time study well before posting. smiley
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 11:31am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
#groaning in anger#


OLODO ni e.. Messiah means prophet
I don't know if you are joking or serious. Like serious Messiah means prophethuh shocked in which language?
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by SalC: 11:34am On Jan 30, 2016
DeathStroke007:
language is your problem..
I think you should clarify, am having same language problem. Teach us oh learned one cheesy
Re: Comprehensive Details About Who Was Crucified (gospel Of Barnabas) by mustymatic(m): 11:41am On Jan 30, 2016
malvisguy212:
Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Marium is but a messenger;
messengers before him have
indeed passed away; and his mother
was a truthful woman; they both used
to eat food. See how We make the
communications clear to them, then
behold, how they are turned away.
(Shakir)

Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away before him; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

The first Surah clearly states that all
messengers before Jesus had died. A
fact that Muslims will not deny. And the
second Surah states that all messengers
before Muhammad have also passed
away in death. Islam teaches that no
prophet arose between Jesus and
Muhammad. Thus, the immediate
messenger before Muhammad was
Jesus. As such, the second Surah seems
to specifically point to the fact that Jesus
too had died. In Arabic, the term for
messengers in the above two Surahs is
“al-rasul” which literally means “the
messengers.” According to grammatical
rules of classic Arabic, owing to the prefix “al” (the), the word messengers in the above two verses really means all
messengers.
But brother, the wording "qad khalat" does not mean to die, but passed or somethin lyk dat (like passed leaders for example...jonathan is a passed leader now...although it can b said such since they're no more in existence now.
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