martineinstein:
despite your level of education, u still believe in this myth/folklore.... Do many educated illiterates occupy the entity called Nigeria. The woman that sell bean cake,"iya alakara" is on same parity with u in terms of civilization

I'm a true yoruba man so I believe my civilization's folklores....whether I take it seriously is another thing. I certainly not let it clash with my knowledge of Yoruba history. ....u have the skill of comprehension u would have known dat

gentleheart1:


have been reading your comments and I can see you rely on Yoruba version of Benin kingdom, I know your likes and I have met some of your historians who can't even defend some of the jargons they teach students.

I will rather stick to my history that has been consistent than accept your crappy upside down history.

Yoruba history is trash and inconsistent, so whatever you write here can never convince me because with a plate of ewedu and Amala you people can twist and sell your history.

Why not address my statement of Ogiamien selling his right to rule to the Oba of Benin (a yoruba son)

whether u like it or not All Obas at Benin are yoruba property....we gave them to ur people and they succeeded u wiping ur sorry assess to submission and servitude

macof:


Why not address my statement of Ogiamien selling his right to rule to the Oba of Benin (a yoruba son)

whether u like it or not All Obas at Benin are yoruba property....we gave them to ur people and they succeeded u wiping ur sorry assess to submission and servitude

Liar what evidence do you have that Ogiamen was a Yoruba man, did you carry out a DNA test on him or are you just been stupid?

You need to answer my.question and you must enough of all the trash you have been writing, this is no longer about your Oduduwa you Yorubas claimed fell from the sky.

going by the debate so far I think the following is clear

1 .there was nothing like Benin kingdom before oranmiyan went there to rule what the benin's had was igodomigodo

2. the title been held by the king or ruler of the benin's was ogiso or ogie b4 d coming of oranmiyan the grandson of oduduwa who his son Eweka was d first Oba of Benin abolishing the ogiso dynasty

3. another index in this debate is population and the popularity of the yoruba language over the benin's...is it possible for a population of less than 1 million to be dominant over a tribe of more than 15 million people when there is no major war or genocide

4. deities like the Olokun, Sango are more peculiar to the yoruba genealogy which is even confirmed by the western culture. how can the benin's lay claim to this


5. the word 'Oba' which the benin's lay claim to have been used by the earliest pple in Yoruba land even b4 the birth of Benin kingdom. one of the earliest Ooni of Ife was Obalufon, Obatala another popular orisha also comes to mind

macof:


I'm a true yoruba man so I believe my civilization's folklores....whether I take it seriously is another thing. I certainly not let it clash with my knowledge of Yoruba history. ....u have the skill of comprehension u would have known dat

yeah.. It's good to know that u are proud of ur heritage.... But stop trying to force your history on other tribes and stop claiming other tribes.

The itsekiris are Yorubas( in Edo clothings), not because they live with yorubas or reside within their locality,but they speak a modified Yoruba( EDOlised Yoruba) and bear "semi Yoruba " names.... How do u relate edos with Yorubas, when both cultures are totally different

OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES
OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS AMIDST, GLARING
CONTRADICTIONS AND PALPABLE FALSEHOOD:
(1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince
called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable
historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded
History.


(2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who
later became a bishop said, little were know about
yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not
originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither
were they settlers within its geographical boundaries
but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most
Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and
those with African traditions copied or got them from
Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not
immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other
fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi
Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first
African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in
today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria).
His grandson was Herbert Macaulay


(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process
highly polarized than being traditional.A system they
tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get
right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the
most revered institutions in the world because of the
way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict
and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of
valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles
cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or
frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly
sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It
does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people
who would not and have never conferred their
chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily
invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their
kings. Note that due to celestial and customary
taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things
that have no beneficial value to his domain.


(4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the
Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha
oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala
etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are
stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in
positions of affluence. Edo people today are
predominantly Christians with some denying their
traditional religious origins. But,it has not been
possible to exterminate our traditional practice
because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life.
Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not
major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade,
because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects
were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen
had need of war captives on their own farms, the
influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been
substantial on the people of the Americas.
According to Mason (1996), it has been widely
accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship
originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba
(p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo
cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New
World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters,
known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from
Urhonigbe and then became prominent at
Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time. Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to
the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated
into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at
Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers
to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109).
Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba
call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the
Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is
certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship
spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans-
Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon
Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to
obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans
from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136).
In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave
raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah
Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah
traveled to the New World and then to England,
learned to read and write English, and shared his
religious and cultural experiences.
Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly
incorporated into the New World through its far
reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the
boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic
in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to
Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and
medicine have already been taken to those domains,
following traditional practices originating in Edo land.



(5). Benin ruled over what today known as
Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC


(6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and
ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants
are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of
who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin
town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of
Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble
Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over
400 years before the colonial powers took over.
Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo
during british presence in lagos, but they formed not
the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just
like we find in the United Kingdom today where people
are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens.
We will explain citizenship rights to you later in
another treatise.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans
( . "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not
Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of
Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his
title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional
leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if
Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived
our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a
name for king in the their native language/tongue.
The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British
change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather
struggle with their neighbours before and after the
first encounter with Europeans slave hunters.

(10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with
Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu
Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu-
mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and
many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba
have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as
erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of
Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in
Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of
making their yoruba look like leading culture with the
richest history for nigerians.

(13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the
whiteman's education first have been peddling
falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western
universities misleading Africans with grammar and
academic titles. They confuse other external scholars
about the true realities of African history, implanting
those false history into African -America books
without the knowledge of the Edo King.

(14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in
their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during
slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/ …/to…/
yoruba-enslavement-of-african

(15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized
many Yoruba settlements.

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral
history

(17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri
history. There could be later migrants during the
European exploration and commerce but not related to
the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title
of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace
the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris.

(18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made
Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so
called yoruba territories of today never existed in the
past but were invented and stillfully documented into
dubious historical records.

(20) Most of their books and publications are mere
opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms
without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to
Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up
with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin,
bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian
history,they tried to re-invent a history that
diminishes our political greatness.

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant
workers for British companies and their construction
projects.That is why you have a lot of their
photographs with whites. Britain also used them as
colonial officers.

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition
of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as
the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897?
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(25) Their loyalty to slave masters, British merchant
gave them the huge presence in lagos, Americas and
England

(26) The word Yoruba has it's roots in Yoruba.The
fulani used to call the Oyo people Yoruba.There was no
really united Yoruba nation till awolowo came with a
cooked up Oduduwa myth with the intention of uniting
them under them with advent of Egbe omo Oduduwa
clearly for political mileage.The ones that came to the
Americas were identified as lucumi which is corrupted
from olukumi.

(27) The Ooni of Ife,the Alake of Abeokuta ( Egba),
the Olubadan of Ibadan,the Oba of Oshogbo, the Deji
of Akure,the Oba of Lagos,the Ugbo of Ugboland,the
Owu of Owo etc have no historical records that they
were ever ruled by an empire with such name.
Rather,the Oba of Lagos,the Deji of Akure and all the
traditional rulers in present day ondo and Ekiti states
have indubitable records that they were once part of
the old Benin empire.

(28) The capital of the fathom Oyo empire is alleged to
be Oyo-Ile. This is a community that is not as big as
Uromi township. It is smaller than many headquarters
of south western city states currently existing. It is not
as big as Eyaen in Benin city. How come the capital of
such great empire ( sic!) is so small and a far cry
from any that is known in history? The false historians
failed woefully to cover this jigsaw puzzle.

(29) The Kingdom of Nupe was an acephalous
community but in the 17th century,it sacked Oyo .
Evicted it from Borgu and made it to relocate its
capital to OYO Igoho, another hamlet community that
can never qualify as capital of a dukedom let alone
an empire. Now, most of the communities of Nupe were
tribute payers to the Benin empire and never Benin
conquerors.

(30) It is on incontrovertible record that,the
colonialist never met an empire called Oyo when they
came to Nigeria but they did meet the Benin Empire in
all her glory having Suzerainty over many Yoruba
speaking city states like
Lagos,Akure,Ado,Idoani,Ondo,Igbokoda,Owo,Ifon,Ekiti,
etc. infact, it is the admission of the fact by many of
these coastal states that their overlord is the Oba of
Benin that led to the European interest to visit the
Oba and settle supremacy once and for all. Oba
Ovoramwen Nogbaisi was the one they eventually
clashed with. Recall that as early as the 14th century,
the Oba of Benin has had positive and co-equals
interactions with the Portuguese Empire.

(31) Look closely at the map in pix one hereto. That is
the colonial Map of Benin. It is less than half of what
it was before the whiteman came. Still at that, it shows
the whole of the current Midwest,nearly the whole
western states including the whole Lagos, some eastern
states and north central communities as part of the
empire of Benin they met. Now, tell me, where is the
geo-political delineation of the mythical oyo empire
created by Ola Biola,Olatun Bonsun et al?

(32) How come Oyo-Ile the capital of the contrived
OYO is today not the most important city in
Yorubaland as Benin city is in Edo. Many old cities
that survive still remain the seats of governments.
Sokoto,Benin city etc. but the alleged Capital of old
oyo hardly ranks as a local government headquarters.
This is not consistent with the Yoruba nature which
accords much respect to traditional authority and
culture. The explanation is simple. There never was
such an empire with such a small community as capital
city. The proud Yoruba man can never accept such
scandal. The capital of their city states like
Ibadan,Abeokuta etc is enough to take care of their
territorial pride,not the scandalous hamlet of OYO-
Ile.

(33) Do you know that there is hardly a Yoruba
community except the much mentioned Oyo-Ile,that
has no exclusive language of its own that is not Yoruba.
These various Yoruba languages are mutually
unintelligible to each other. The current general
Yoruba evolved from markets that was then mainly
that of slave trading.

(34) Now, unlike the Benins and most indigenous
Nigerian kingdoms,the Yorubas have the most exported
slaves in diaspora. They are very many in the
Caribbeans and in Brazil. Do you know why? This is
because,it is easy to sell people who are not from the
same stork with you.except for criminals,Benin and
other kingdoms do not sell their citizens. This again
clearly show that a monolithic oyo empire was a lie. The
Yorubas had warring and hostile city states and were
never united under one pre-colonial power. Chief
Awolowo was once rejected by them at the polls as
Ijebu( fake) Yoruba. Ironically, it was the same man
that came out with the concept and in fact united
them as one common political people. That is why they
worship him second only to Oduduwa.

(35) Do you know that even their historians admitted
the truth in their text books that Oramiyan after
leaving Benin founded OYO empire. It is very obvious
that Benin is older by far than the fathom Oyo Empire.
What is however curious is that, if Ajaka,Shango,Ogun
all later children of Oramiyan were deified to be
worshipped by the Yorubas, how come Oramiyan's
eldest son ( Eweka) who established the most powerful
dynasty on earth was not included in their list of
deities. This further lend weight to the argument that
the history of the Yoruba empire was all about tribal
glorification. Anyway, Oduduwa their alleged founder
was actually Prince Izoduwa ( Ekhalederan) the only
son of the last Ogiso of the first Benin dynasty-Owodo
who was banished so that his father could have other
children. This is a story for another day.

(36) It still beat me why other Africa historical states
only have Benin on their record not OYO empire.
Dahomey the alleged neighbour of old OYO recognized
Benin as not only its cradle but its main powerful
neighbour. Find this extract from Wikipedia
interesting..

(37) According to the Wikipedia article on the People’s
Republic of Benin, the new name was chosen to reflect
the Benin Empire “that had once flourished in
neighboring Nigeria.” Most sources, however, maintain
that the new name referenced not the Empire but the
Bight of Benin, the adjacent stretch of the Atlantic
Ocean. The country’s new leaders rejected the name
“Dahomey” because they considered it too ethnically
exclusive, since the old kingdom of that name had
been closely identified with the Fon people of the
coastal zone. The new name, based on physical
geography, seemed less divisive—even though the term
“Benin” ultimate derives from the former Benin
Kingdom of the Edo people in what is now Nigeria. The
capital of that state, Ubinu, gave rise to the term
“Benin City,” which was generalized to cover the entire
kingdom, and was subsequently applied to the
adjacent sea.
We have never doubted our relationship with the
Yorubas. Everything natural points to the fact that
they are our cousin. What We however disapprove is
their attempt to use their privileged premier schooling
by the whiteman to re-write history by distorting the
true one and concocting a fake one that undermines
the superiority of the old Benin empire over their city
states.

(38) Here is a beautiful example of Rigobert Bonne's
1770 decorative map of West Africa. Covers from the
Gold Coast (modern day Ghana), south around the
Bight of Benin to Gabon, Congo and Angola. Includes
the modern day countries of Ghana, Togo, Benin,
Nigeria, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo
and Angola. As with most maps of Africa, this map
shows excellent detail along the coast and only
speculation in the interior. Give evidence of significant
Belgian mapping activities throughout the Congo.
Names numerous African Kingdoms including Anzico,
Mujaco, Bembe, Lubolo, Pemba, Dembi, Calbongo,
Bake-Bake, Benin and others. Attempts to map the
Niger River as to flows into the Desert de Seth or
Saghara, but most of this cartography is speculative at
best. Drawn by R. Bonne in 1770 for issue as plate no.
B 30 in Jean Lattre's 1776 issue of the Atlas Moderne
." here there was no mention of any empire or people
called yoruba or oyo empire
Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/ …/
File:1770_Bonne_Map_of_West_…

gentleheart1:
OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES
OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS AMIDST, GLARING
CONTRADICTIONS AND PALPABLE FALSEHOOD:
(1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince
called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable
historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded
History.


(2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who
later became a bishop said, little were know about
yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not
originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither
were they settlers within its geographical boundaries
but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most
Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and
those with African traditions copied or got them from
Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not
immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other
fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi
Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first
African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in
today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria).
His grandson was Herbert Macaulay


(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process
highly polarized than being traditional.A system they
tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get
right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the
most revered institutions in the world because of the
way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict
and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of
valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles
cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or
frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly
sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It
does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people
who would not and have never conferred their
chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily
invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their
kings. Note that due to celestial and customary
taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things
that have no beneficial value to his domain.


(4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the
Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha
oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala
etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are
stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in
positions of affluence. Edo people today are
predominantly Christians with some denying their
traditional religious origins. But,it has not been
possible to exterminate our traditional practice
because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life.
Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not
major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade,
because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects
were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen
had need of war captives on their own farms, the
influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been
substantial on the people of the Americas.
According to Mason (1996), it has been widely
accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship
originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba
(p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo
cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New
World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters,
known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from
Urhonigbe and then became prominent at
Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time. Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to
the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated
into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at
Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers
to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109).
Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba
call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the
Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is
certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship
spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans-
Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon
Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to
obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans
from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136).
In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave
raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah
Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah
traveled to the New World and then to England,
learned to read and write English, and shared his
religious and cultural experiences.
Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly
incorporated into the New World through its far
reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the
boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic
in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to
Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and
medicine have already been taken to those domains,
following traditional practices originating in Edo land.



(5). Benin ruled over what today known as
Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC


(6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and
ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants
are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of
who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin
town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of
Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble
Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over
400 years before the colonial powers took over.
Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo
during british presence in lagos, but they formed not
the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just
like we find in the United Kingdom today where people
are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens.
We will explain citizenship rights to you later in
another treatise.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans
( . "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not
Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of
Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his
title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional
leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if
Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived
our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a
name for king in the their native language/tongue.
The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British
change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather
struggle with their neighbours before and after the
first encounter with Europeans slave hunters.

(10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with
Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu
Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu-
mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and
many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba
have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as
erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of
Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in
Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of
making their yoruba look like leading culture with the
richest history for nigerians.

(13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the
whiteman's education first have been peddling
falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western
universities misleading Africans with grammar and
academic titles. They confuse other external scholars
about the true realities of African history, implanting
those false history into African -America books
without the knowledge of the Edo King.

(14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in
their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during
slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/ …/to…/
yoruba-enslavement-of-african

(15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized
many Yoruba settlements.

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral
history

(17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri
history. There could be later migrants during the
European exploration and commerce but not related to
the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title
of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace
the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris.

(18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made
Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so
called yoruba territories of today never existed in the
past but were invented and stillfully documented into
dubious historical records.

(20) Most of their books and publications are mere
opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms
without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to
Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up
with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin,
bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian
history,they tried to re-invent a history that
diminishes our political greatness.

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant
workers for British companies and their construction
projects.That is why you have a lot of their
photographs with whites. Britain also used them as
colonial officers.

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition
of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as
the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897?
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Re: 50 Reasons Why Yoruba Never Had An Empire But
Civilized By Benin by thekingisback : 10:30pm On Feb 09
(25) Their loyalty to slave masters, British merchant
gave them the huge presence in lagos, Americas and
England

(26) The word Yoruba has it's roots in Yoruba.The
fulani used to call the Oyo people Yoruba.There was no
really united Yoruba nation till awolowo came with a
cooked up Oduduwa myth with the intention of uniting
them under them with advent of Egbe omo Oduduwa
clearly for political mileage.The ones that came to the
Americas were identified as lucumi which is corrupted
from olukumi.

(27) The Ooni of Ife,the Alake of Abeokuta ( Egba),
the Olubadan of Ibadan,the Oba of Oshogbo, the Deji
of Akure,the Oba of Lagos,the Ugbo of Ugboland,the
Owu of Owo etc have no historical records that they
were ever ruled by an empire with such name.
Rather,the Oba of Lagos,the Deji of Akure and all the
traditional rulers in present day ondo and Ekiti states
have indubitable records that they were once part of
the old Benin empire.

(28) The capital of the fathom Oyo empire is alleged to
be Oyo-Ile. This is a community that is not as big as
Uromi township. It is smaller than many headquarters
of south western city states currently existing. It is not
as big as Eyaen in Benin city. How come the capital of
such great empire ( sic!) is so small and a far cry
from any that is known in history? The false historians
failed woefully to cover this jigsaw puzzle.

(29) The Kingdom of Nupe was an acephalous
community but in the 17th century,it sacked Oyo .
Evicted it from Borgu and made it to relocate its
capital to OYO Igoho, another hamlet community that
can never qualify as capital of a dukedom let alone
an empire. Now, most of the communities of Nupe were
tribute payers to the Benin empire and never Benin
conquerors.

(30) It is on incontrovertible record that,the
colonialist never met an empire called Oyo when they
came to Nigeria but they did meet the Benin Empire in
all her glory having Suzerainty over many Yoruba
speaking city states like
Lagos,Akure,Ado,Idoani,Ondo,Igbokoda,Owo,Ifon,Ekiti,
etc. infact, it is the admission of the fact by many of
these coastal states that their overlord is the Oba of
Benin that led to the European interest to visit the
Oba and settle supremacy once and for all. Oba
Ovoramwen Nogbaisi was the one they eventually
clashed with. Recall that as early as the 14th century,
the Oba of Benin has had positive and co-equals
interactions with the Portuguese Empire.

(31) Look closely at the map in pix one hereto. That is
the colonial Map of Benin. It is less than half of what
it was before the whiteman came. Still at that, it shows
the whole of the current Midwest,nearly the whole
western states including the whole Lagos, some eastern
states and north central communities as part of the
empire of Benin they met. Now, tell me, where is the
geo-political delineation of the mythical oyo empire
created by Ola Biola,Olatun Bonsun et al?

(32) How come Oyo-Ile the capital of the contrived
OYO is today not the most important city in
Yorubaland as Benin city is in Edo. Many old cities
that survive still remain the seats of governments.
Sokoto,Benin city etc. but the alleged Capital of old
oyo hardly ranks as a local government headquarters.
This is not consistent with the Yoruba nature which
accords much respect to traditional authority and
culture. The explanation is simple. There never was
such an empire with such a small community as capital
city. The proud Yoruba man can never accept such
scandal. The capital of their city states like
Ibadan,Abeokuta etc is enough to take care of their
territorial pride,not the scandalous hamlet of OYO-
Ile.

(33) Do you know that there is hardly a Yoruba
community except the much mentioned Oyo-Ile,that
has no exclusive language of its own that is not Yoruba.
These various Yoruba languages are mutually
unintelligible to each other. The current general
Yoruba evolved from markets that was then mainly
that of slave trading.

(34) Now, unlike the Benins and most indigenous
Nigerian kingdoms,the Yorubas have the most exported
slaves in diaspora. They are very many in the
Caribbeans and in Brazil. Do you know why? This is
because,it is easy to sell people who are not from the
same stork with you.except for criminals,Benin and
other kingdoms do not sell their citizens. This again
clearly show that a monolithic oyo empire was a lie. The
Yorubas had warring and hostile city states and were
never united under one pre-colonial power. Chief
Awolowo was once rejected by them at the polls as
Ijebu( fake) Yoruba. Ironically, it was the same man
that came out with the concept and in fact united
them as one common political people. That is why they
worship him second only to Oduduwa.

(35) Do you know that even their historians admitted
the truth in their text books that Oramiyan after
leaving Benin founded OYO empire. It is very obvious
that Benin is older by far than the fathom Oyo Empire.
What is however curious is that, if Ajaka,Shango,Ogun
all later children of Oramiyan were deified to be
worshipped by the Yorubas, how come Oramiyan's
eldest son ( Eweka) who established the most powerful
dynasty on earth was not included in their list of
deities. This further lend weight to the argument that
the history of the Yoruba empire was all about tribal
glorification. Anyway, Oduduwa their alleged founder
was actually Prince Izoduwa ( Ekhalederan) the only
son of the last Ogiso of the first Benin dynasty-Owodo
who was banished so that his father could have other
children. This is a story for another day.

(36) It still beat me why other Africa historical states
only have Benin on their record not OYO empire.
Dahomey the alleged neighbour of old OYO recognized
Benin as not only its cradle but its main powerful
neighbour. Find this extract from Wikipedia
interesting..

(37) According to the Wikipedia article on the People’s
Republic of Benin, the new name was chosen to reflect
the Benin Empire “that had once flourished in
neighboring Nigeria.” Most sources, however, maintain
that the new name referenced not the Empire but the
Bight of Benin, the adjacent stretch of the Atlantic
Ocean. The country’s new leaders rejected the name
“Dahomey” because they considered it too ethnically
exclusive, since the old kingdom of that name had
been closely identified with the Fon people of the
coastal zone. The new name, based on physical
geography, seemed less divisive—even though the term
“Benin” ultimate derives from the former Benin
Kingdom of the Edo people in what is now Nigeria. The
capital of that state, Ubinu, gave rise to the term
“Benin City,” which was generalized to cover the entire
kingdom, and was subsequently applied to the
adjacent sea.
We have never doubted our relationship with the
Yorubas. Everything natural points to the fact that
they are our cousin. What We however disapprove is
their attempt to use their privileged premier schooling
by the whiteman to re-write history by distorting the
true one and concocting a fake one that undermines
the superiority of the old Benin empire over their city
states.

(38) Here is a beautiful example of Rigobert Bonne's
1770 decorative map of West Africa. Covers from the
Gold Coast (modern day Ghana), south around the
Bight of Benin to Gabon, Congo and Angola. Includes
the modern day countries of Ghana, Togo, Benin,
Nigeria, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo
and Angola. As with most maps of Africa, this map
shows excellent detail along the coast and only
speculation in the interior. Give evidence of significant
Belgian mapping activities throughout the Congo.
Names numerous African Kingdoms including Anzico,
Mujaco, Bembe, Lubolo, Pemba, Dembi, Calbongo,
Bake-Bake, Benin and others. Attempts to map the
Niger River as to flows into the Desert de Seth or
Saghara, but most of this cartography is speculative at
best. Drawn by R. Bonne in 1770 for issue as plate no.
B 30 in Jean Lattre's 1776 issue of the Atlas Moderne
." here there was no mention of any empire or people
called yoruba or oyo empire
Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/ …/
File:1770_Bonne_Map_of_West_…

Thank you so much...

macof:




I hope you aren't too blind and deluded to accept dat Benin Empire was not larger than Oyo state, Nigeria

Bro I don't know which one was bigger but I know which one had more rep and that was the Benin kingdom .

Also Benin doesn't do fairytale or myths of people turning into rivers or thunder coming out of warriors mouths ... Also oyo tried to conquer Benin empire but failed woefully and had to relinquish sovereignty of what is believe is part of ondo today so as to appease the binis .

Also the Benin empire came into existence long before the oyo empire and stayed influential long after the demise of the oyo empire , infact oyo begged Benin to intervene when illorin seceeded and fulanis started attacking oyo via ilorin. But Benin declined to help.

Also present day Benin republic (then called dahomey). Was ruled at different periods by oyo empire and Benin empire YET they chose to be renamed as Benin rep... Why do u think?

Also incase you don't know Lagos island and smaller isolated islands were under the protection of Benin empire in return for payment of taxes , the word "EKO". Is a Benin word which we used to describe the territory.


But as for which one is BIGGER in landmass ... Omo bros me no know

gentleheart1:


have been reading your comments and I can see you rely on Yoruba version of Benin kingdom, I know your likes and I have met some of your historians who can't even defend some of the jargons they teach students.

I will rather stick to my history that has been consistent than accept your crappy upside down history.

Yoruba history is trash and inconsistent, so whatever you write here can never convince me because with a plate of ewedu and Amala you people can twist and sell your history.

are u a bini guy?can u speak it or write it?

gentleheart1:


Shush don't be a fool, you are very daft.
Now let this sink into your head slowpoke,you smellos where under the bini kingdom not like I care but you people are very stupid for twisting history and comparing your politically installed Obas to the great Oba of Benin.

Fyi I am not igbo dimwit.

Igbo are their nemesis


They get fidgeted


He called u igbo

I am laughing

Drchristian:

are u a bini guy?can u speak it or write it?

I am not a guy I am a lady, I am from Edo State. My both parents are descendants of both bini and Isan royal families.

tonychristopher:


Igbo are their nemesis


They get fidgeted


He called u igbo

I am laughing

Hello Tonyechristoper, I had to create this new moniker because the mods are always blocking the other one. The mods has corrupted my mind.

gentleheart1:


Hello Tonyechristoper, I had to create this new moniker because the mods are always blocking the other one. The mods has corrupted my mind.

Why should you allow mod to corrupt your mind ....pls don't allow that . ALWAYS STAY ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH

diadem10:

An. Ibo man having a discourse with me on history? Geez! I don suffer!
I ask again why would bini gives an area a Yoruba name if not the indigenous people of the said land that named it?
Let this sink into your ibo head that the whole Lagos wasn't named Eko! Only the island given to the bini for camping was named eko and the said name was given by the aborigenes (the Awori)!

Jeez you are the biggest fool on nairaland,in your myopic dead brain the whole Lagos wasn't named Eko but officially and till date Lagos is called Eko.

Lol some people have dead brains, Lagos is known as Eko all over the world.

(39) All European explorers arriving West Africa Maps have no record of Yoruba as a people or Empire but have that of Benin
(40) Real Yorubas are from dahomey while others from the north, never was an Empire of that name in any time of West Africa history.
(41) Language is a legitimate tool for constructing history and all the names associated with Oduduwa have deeper roots in Edo language than in the Yoruba. The Arabs or the Yoruba, do not have words like ‘Uhe’ (the sacred name for Edo and Ile-Ife, or words ending with ‘duwa,’ ‘noyan’ or ‘miyan,’ which are typical Edo vowels. ‘Uhe’ is perhaps the most powerful and revealing of all the Edo names associated with Ile-Ife because depending on how it is pronounced, it could refer to something sacred or taboo (such as Virgin or Virginity or Vagina), interpreted as innocence, source, birth canal.
(42) "Eko" in every Edo dialect means settlement or military camp. And Eko is the indigenous name of Lagos. It was in 1974 that approval was granted Dahomey by Oba Akenzua II to change the name of the country to Republic of Benin. This shows that Benin Empire stretched beyond the entire Yorubaland!. why did Republic of Benin not go to yoruba their closer Neighbours?
(43) YORUBA NEVER HAD ANY CIVILIZATION, BUILT ANY MONUMENT OR ANY WORLD SITE THAT TELLS OF AN EMPIRE OR GREAT KINGDOM LIKE BENIN. An Empire is always self evidence
(44) Benin and Yoruba people obviously have same roots but in this case as evidenced by true historical records,it is the younger Yoruba settlers that migrated from the far older benin empire.
(45) YORUBA WAS NEVER AN ETHNIC RACE!!!!!! PRE- BRITISH HISTORY OF NIGERIA We will leave the Yoruba to defend themselves about questions concerning origins of the name "Yoruba." As far as Usman is concerned, that name was an imperial donation from the North. We are intrigued by Usman’s argument on this score. Note his words. He said " The fact is that, the earliest record we have of the use of the very name "Yoruba" was in the Hausa-Fulani language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alafinate of Oyo. This came from the writings of the seventeenth century Katsina scholar, Dan Masani (1595-1667), who wrote a book on Muslim scholars of the 'Yarriba.' But it was from a book of the Sarkin Musulmi Bello, written in the early nineteenth century, that the name became more widely used. The Bishop Ajayi Crowther, the Reverend Samuel Johnson, and his brother Obadiah Johnson, among others, came, in the nineteenth century, to widely spread this Hausa name to the people who now bear it, in their writings. Usman’s proof that the name "Yoruba" is an "Hausa name and It is so, the earliest record we have of the use of the very name 'Yoruba' was in the Hausa-Fulani language.
(46) ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD YORUBA (Yoruba) is revealed in the 19th Century.: The word 'Yoruba' was first recorded in reference to the Oyo people only, in a treatise written by the 16th-century Songhai scholar Ahmed Baba. It was popularized by Hausa usage and ethnography written in Arabic and Ajami during the 19th century, in origin referring to the Oyo exclusively. The extension of the term YORUBA to all speakers of dialects related to the language of the Oyo (in modern terminology North-West Yoruba) dates to the second half of the 19th century. It is due to the influence of Samuel Ajayi Crowther, the first Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Crowther was himself a Yoruba and compiled the first Yoruba dictionary as well as introducing a standard for Yoruba orthography.It's like classifying all of Northern Nigeria as Hausa. The presence of yoruba inflence in most places today claimed as yorubaland can be traced back to the propaganda of Ajayi Crowther and most Yoruba historians.
(47) Do you believe ODUDUWA is the ancestral father of the Yoruba people? Many Yoruba scholars claim oduduwa fell from the sky to Yoruba land. Where actually did he land? , Any sign ?. Others say he came from the east, ok, did he meet people in the so called Yoruba land? If yes, then how can oduduwa now be their ancestral father?
(48) Do Yorubas have any historic monument like the pyramid structures in Old Benin, Great Benin Moat, Zimbabwe and Timbuktu in Mali? Not talking about clay molded or primitive bronze artifacts many claim dating back to 10BC), or the story of slave raiding westward, east ward or northward. I mean physical structures that tell of an ancient civilization?.The two most relevant structures in Oyo-lle, the Alaafin palace and his village market as claimed by Yoruba Historians ?
(49) When and where was Yoruba presence first felt in West African history? Why no reflection of Yoruba in many ancient maps of West Africa?
(50) Was Yoruba territory in British pre- Nigeria creation-1600-1900, same with, 1914 and again in 1960 to 1967? What expanded it and why? Were there aborigines in those territories say owo, kwara, ondo and Lagos before their presence during the British colonial period? If there were aborigines, then who were they?
(51) “Edo are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. “For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin. “That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin. “So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings. “Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them. “We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin. “The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification. “The Ooni of Ife by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class

gentleheart1:


Jeez you are the biggest fool on nairaland,in your myopic dead brain the whole Lagos wasn't named Eko but officially and till date Lagos is called Eko.

Lol some people have dead brains, Lagos is known as Eko all over the world.

See this ibo loser again! Refugees with no ancestral history telling me what I know!
I repeat only a little part of Lagos was named Eko until the said part was eventually taken back from the Bini who wouldn't relinquish without a fight though! Unfortunately for them, they were roundly defeated by the Ijebus and Eko island was incorporated back into Lagos! Thus, Eko became the name because it was the aborigines that gave the name in the first place!
In those day, there were 2 kings in Lagos namely Eleko of Eko and Oba of Lagos not until both were merged!
You ibos are just clowns I swear!

diadem10:

See this ibo loser again! Refugees with no ancestral history telling me what I know!
I repeat only a little part of Lagos was named Eko until the said part was eventually taken back from the Bini who wouldn't relinquish without a fight though! Unfortunately for them, they were roundly defeated by the Ijebus and Eko island was incorporated back into Lagos! Thus, Eko became the name because it was the aborigines that gave the name in the first place!
In those day, there were 2 kings in Lagos namely Eleko of Eko and Oba of Lagos not until both were merged!
You ibos are just clowns I swear!

You the looser here, how many times do I have to repeat myself that I am not ibo? Do you have a dumb Brian or you lack sense of reasoning?

I won't bother myself answering you again, you wrote that it was the aborigines that named Lagos Eko.
I don't need anyone to tell me you are obviously a descendant of the returned slaves in Lagos and I understand your pain, you people are irrelevant in the history of Lagos. A slave will always be a slave.

macof:


Why can't Bini accept an Ife royal, they were in time of crisis? btw not all Bini accepted Oranmiyan or his son. ..till today Ogiamien is the real King of Bini, Oba only buys his right during every coronation...let any Bini deny this. ..I dare u


that's when people mix mythology with history. ..talk to people who can tell the difference

bros, please explain this your "Ogiamien" theory, i am just leaning of this. thanks.

It is very funny that the same people that are claiming they had an empire that had been trading with the Portuguese before Jesus was born could not write a history book before the Yorubas, thereby giving the Yorubas the opportunity to "re-write" history in their "own" favour.

What an argument and line of thought!!!!

Who should the Yorubas have written the history book in favour? The Bantus or Zulus I guess.

Your argument keeps getting irritating and devoid of logic on a progressive scale

Based on the relationship between the Benin Empire and the Portuguese, an early Portuguese writer named Joan d Barros gave a vivid description of how Benin takes permission from Ife before the coronation of a new Oba of Benin.

In JSS1 i was taught the myth about how Oduduwa dropped from the sky to form the yoruba race. I couldn't believe that tale and even as a child i tried to correlate the relationship between the Edo people and the Yoruba people. The fable just did not add up.

I have spent a valuable number of my life time in the west in fact i have visited all the entire yoruba states. Trust me you cant compare any of the yoruba monarchs with the Bini Monarch. The Omo N'Oba is so highly exulted that his presence alone will send shivers through your spine.

Super1Star:
It is very funny that the same people that are claiming they had an empire that had been trading with the Portuguese before Jesus was born could not write a history book before the Yorubas, thereby giving the Yorubas the opportunity to "re-write" history in their "own" favour.

What an argument and line of thought!!!!

Who should the Yorubas have written the history book in favour? The Bantus or Zulus I guess.

Your argument keeps getting irritating and devoid of logic on a progressive scale

Based on the relationship between the Benin Empire and the Portuguese, an early Portuguese writer named Joan d Barros gave a vivid description of how Benin takes permission from Ife before the coronation of a new Oba of Benin.

oyalunasamuel:
In JSS1 i was taught the myth about how Oduduwa dropped from the sky to form the yoruba race. I couldn't believe that tale and even as a child i tried to correlate the relationship between the Edo people and the Yoruba people. The fable just did not add up.

I have spent a valuable number of my life time in the west in fact i have visited all the entire yoruba states. Trust me you cant compare any of the yoruba monarchs with the Bini Monarch. The Omo N'Oba is so highly exulted that his presence alone will send shivers through your spine.

You are a liar, show us the book that told you Oduduwa came them from heaven. Just 1.

Obatala and Orunmila? Yes. That is our believe and so be it. If Jesus Enoch and Elijah can ascend, yes our own too can descend from there. Deal with it.

Have you been to Ooni's, Alaafin and Awujale's palaces?

Go there to see, hear and learn history.

OBAGADAFFI:


Dahomey Benin is different from the Benin Empire.

During the colonial period and at independence, the country was known as Dahomey. On 30 November 1975 it was renamed to Benin,[11] after the body of water on which the country lies—the Bight of Benin—which, in turn, had been named after the Benin Empire

Retrieved from www.en.wikipedia.org/benin_republic

macof:





u sure are deluded and loving it

You are the deluded one, idiot. I state a fact and your first retort is an expression of your congenital stupidity.

everyone in Benin City & Edo knows Yoruba are gud in twisting history. a king in Yoruba land from ooni to the least king in Yoruba land are nothing but.mere chiefs . we have one King here the Oba of Great Benin. he his not subject to any authority except God Almighty. A Yoruba king can be kick boot by ordinary governor in his state.

Now who is a King between this two?

No need for all these worthless squabble by Alafin . Political king no be King. The British will explain better

d only Oba & respected Oba in Nigeria remain Oba of Benin #FACT

I find it insulting you calling me a lair... But i will pardon you, it only shows me your level of reasoning.

Like i said earlier, I have spent a reasonable part of my life in the west, I did a short time program in Olabisi Onabanjo University, the campus was in Ijebu-Ode, i was very close friend with the Aujale's Grand daughter so i know more about the royalty there. I schooled in Ibadan, so i know a little about the Olu-badan, Next i did my NYSC in Osun State, Osogbo to be precised i would often travel to Ife to see my friend. There's actually no big deal about your monarchies, (maybe a royal staff and an immortal turtle).

I like you to come to Benin city maybe for a visit. So you can feel the Enigma of the Benin monarchy. In Edo land the benin Monarch is the most highly esteemed of all monarchies, others are Subjects unlike in the yoruba land where the the ooni claims superiority over the alafin. Go find out, the Olu of warri, itshekiri, obi of agbor, asaba, the calabar monarch all pay tribute to the Omo N'Oba Okun akpolopkolo.

Its so sad that your leaders and elders told told you fables in place of your history

Super1Star:


You are a liar, show us the book that told you Oduduwa came them from heaven. Just 1.

Obatala and Orunmila? Yes. That is our believe and so be it. If Jesus Enoch and Elijah can ascend, yes our own too can descend from there. Deal with it.

Have you been to Ooni's, Alaafin and Awujale's palaces?

Go there to see, hear and learn history.

mrDennis:


Bro I don't know which one was bigger but I know which one had more rep and that was the Benin kingdom .

Also Benin doesn't do fairytale or myths of people turning into rivers or thunder coming out of warriors mouths ... Also oyo tried to conquer Benin empire but failed woefully and had to relinquish sovereignty of what is believe is part of ondo today so as to appease the binis .

Also the Benin empire came into existence long before the oyo empire and stayed influential long after the demise of the oyo empire , infact oyo begged Benin to intervene when illorin seceeded and fulanis started attacking oyo via ilorin. But Benin declined to help.

Also present day Benin republic (then called dahomey). Was ruled at different periods by oyo empire and Benin empire YET they chose to be renamed as Benin rep... Why do u think?

Also incase you don't know Lagos island and smaller isolated islands were under the protection of Benin empire in return for payment of taxes , the word "EKO". Is a Benin word which we used to describe the territory.


But as for which one is BIGGER in landmass ... Omo bros me no know

**** what culture doesn't have its folklores? stop saying nonsense. ..folklores make studying the civilization interesting and fun

1. ondo got nothing to do with what you're saying
2. Benin Republic has nothing to do with Bini. ...Bini empire did not extend past the edges of Eastern Yorubaland. Benin republic is named after the coastline used by Bini traders....Like Biafra is named after the coastline used by the ancient Biafra


the entire landmass of Bini empire is not up to Oyo state, not to talk of the Entire Oyo empire

gentleheart1:


Liar what evidence do you have that Ogiamen was a Yoruba man, did you carry out a DNA test on him or are you just been stupid?

You need to answer my.question and you must enough of all the trash you have been writing, this is no longer about your Oduduwa you Yorubas claimed fell from the sky.

**** pls go improve ur skill of comprehension.

I said Ogiamien is the true ruler of Benin but the Omo n'oba n'edo (a yoruba descendant) buys the Ogiamien's right to rule...obviously you aren't Bini ****

mrDennis:


Bro I don't know which one was bigger but I know which one had more rep and that was the Benin kingdom .

Also Benin doesn't do fairytale or myths of people turning into rivers or thunder coming out of warriors mouths ... Also oyo tried to conquer Benin empire but failed woefully and had to relinquish sovereignty of what is believe is part of ondo today so as to appease the binis .

Also the Benin empire came into existence long before the oyo empire and stayed influential long after the demise of the oyo empire , infact oyo begged Benin to intervene when illorin seceeded and fulanis started attacking oyo via ilorin. But Benin declined to help.

Also present day Benin republic (then called dahomey). Was ruled at different periods by oyo empire and Benin empire YET they chose to be renamed as Benin rep... Why do u think?

Also incase you don't know Lagos island and smaller isolated islands were under the protection of Benin empire in return for payment of taxes , the word "EKO". Is a Benin word which we used to describe the territory.


But as for which one is BIGGER in landmass ... Omo bros me no know

You are really dumb. .. what culture doesn't have its folklores? stop saying nonsense. ..folklores make studying the civilization interesting and fun

1. ondo got nothing to do with what you're saying
2. Oyo began its imperial reign 1400 under Alaafin Kori, Bini began its in 1440 under Omo n'oba Ewuare...so please which began first?
3. Benin Republic has nothing to do with Bini. ...Bini empire did not extend past the edges of Eastern Yorubaland ie. Akoko, Ilaje, Itsekiri (if we count this as Yorubaland). Benin republic is named after the coastline used by Bini traders going to Kumasi....Like Biafra is named after the coastline used by the ancient Biafra


the entire landmass of Bini empire is not up to Oyo state, not to talk of the Entire Oyo empire

gentleheart1:


Liar what evidence do you have that Ogiamen was a Yoruba man, did you carry out a DNA test on him or are you just been stupid?

You need to answer my.question and you must enough of all the trash you have been writing, this is no longer about your Oduduwa you Yorubas claimed fell from the sky.

**** pls go improve ur skill of comprehension.

I said Ogiamien is the true ruler of Benin but the Omo n'oba n'edo (a yoruba descendant) buys the Ogiamien's right to rule...obviously you aren't Bini ****

macof:


You are really dumb. .. what culture doesn't have its folklores? stop saying nonsense. ..folklores make studying the civilization interesting and fun

1. ondo got nothing to do with what you're saying
2. Benin Republic has nothing to do with Bini. ...Bini empire did not extend past the edges of Eastern Yorubaland. Benin republic is named after the coastline used by Bini traders....Like Biafra is named after the coastline used by the ancient Biafra


the entire landmass of Bini empire is not up to Oyo state, not to talk of the Entire Oyo empire





idiota, pls go improve ur skill of comprehension.

I said Ogiamien is the true ruler of Benin but the Omo n'oba n'edo (a yoruba descendant) buys the Ogiamien's right to rule...obviously you aren't Bini and I can't be wasting time with an igbo idiiot that has no history

The fact that you just said ONDO had nothing to do with. It and also that Benin republic (formerly dahomey). Also was never ruled by Benin kingdom shows you Actually didn't even do basic GST in the university .

I can only advise you to Google Benin empire ..
.next time. Think , ask Google then reply

So you na still dey argue. By the great power of the gods I now label this endtime post and all kings involve endtime king except Awujale

macof:


You are really dumb. .. what culture doesn't have its folklores? stop saying nonsense. ..folklores make studying the civilization interesting and fun

1. ondo got nothing to do with what you're saying
2. Oyo began its imperial reign 1400 under Alaafin Kori, Bini began its in 1440 under Omo n'oba Ewuare...so please which began first?
3. Benin Republic has nothing to do with Bini. ...Bini empire did not extend past the edges of Eastern Yorubaland ie. Akoko, Ilaje, Itsekiri (if we count this as Yorubaland). Benin republic is named after the coastline used by Bini traders going to Kumasi....Like Biafra is named after the coastline used by the ancient Biafra


the entire landmass of Bini empire is not up to Oyo state, not to talk of the Entire Oyo empire





idiota, pls go improve ur skill of comprehension.

I said Ogiamien is the true ruler of Benin but the Omo n'oba n'edo (a yoruba descendant) buys the Ogiamien's right to rule...obviously you aren't Bini and I can't be wasting time with an igbo idiiot that has no history

Smiles , after seeing my rebuttal to decided to add number 3.

You are empty ... This is a map of Benin empire and oyo empire . *take away dahomey whch oyo didn't rule over for long and compare .

Also if that is how Benin rep. Got the new name WHERE does the word Benin come from?. And how did Benin empire get the name since the WHOLE. World was aware of the kingdom .

People like you are so proud , u can't even ask GOoGLE. For small issues ,

If you like add number 4= lmao

Done replying EMPTY heads .

Afternoon everyone. Please can any one help me with akoko edo, igarra names with meaning.. Thanks house