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Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 3:02pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Okay. I've been thinking. how did Matthew, Mark, Luke and John get their facts about the birth of Jesus? did Jesus personally tell them how he was born? I really wanna know. If Yes, how come Jesus was able to provide every detail about his birth since he was a only a baby when everything happened..... ? The only person I think Could have gotten the true info is John because he took Mary the mother of Jesus into his home. But then, Mary, we were told was a lady who was reticent and reserved in nature. she preferred to ponder things in her her rather than tell her story. so, Theologians in the house, can you help a confused fellow? |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 4:39pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Mary was alive and witnessed the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. She was even in the upper room with the other disciples and apostles hence the source of that historical aspect is not far-fetched! Her being reticent and reserved stands to be proved. I say this because when Jesus waited behind at Jerusalem, after He was found, Mary was the one to do the talking , not Joseph. At the marriage at Cana of Galilee, the Mary there was rather outspoken! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Scholar8200:how come Mary got to know the full details about the Adventures of the wise men? she knew all that happened in the then King Herod's palace.. and she never had access to the palace neither did she Journey with the wise men.. how then did she get to know all these if you claim she was the source of the Gospel........? thanks for your previous reply.... I'm patiently anticipating your next reply sir |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 5:58pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:I did not say Mary was the source of the Gospel! You asked about the historical part, nativity etc As regards that detail highlighted consider the extent of the news at that time: 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judæa in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard [size=14pt]these things[/size], he was troubled, [size=14pt]and all Jerusalem with him[/size]. Matthew 2:1-3 The coming of the wisemen and their inquiries was known to all Jerusalem! Not Herod alone. Meaning it was common knowledge and remember that these men came to Mary and Joseph. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 6:39pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Scholar8200:thanks for the clarification. ... Sir. but how could Mary have Remembered every single detail of events that happened over the years. even in her absence..... ? an example below is Luke chapter 1:15-18
without being biased, do you think Mary could have provided this detail? especially verse 16 |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 6:45pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune: Luke got his info from many witnesses. Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed. Luke 1:1-4 NKJV http://bible.com/114/luk.1.1-4.NKJV |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 6:48pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Mary was with the disciples during Christ's ministry. They must have spoken about it. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 6:59pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune: Mary, like many women casually mentioned in the bible, is underestimated. She understood Alot of mysteries. No normal person would converse with Gabriel and Elizabeth in the manner she did without having a deep understanding of spiritual things. She prophesied, when she met her cousin Elizabeth, and what kind of faith, that when Gabriel told her about her conception, she responded; "...be it unto me, according to your word..." And it was. Mary is underrated. Probably for good reason, or she could be turned into a god alongside her son by people. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by ichuka(m): 7:21pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Same way Moses got and wrote the story of Genesis. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 7:23pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Muafrika2:I think I get your point sir. Thanks for the contribution. so in summary, Mary while on earth, was omnipresent. Thanks. Sorry to deviate from the main topic. just a little misunderstanding here; okay, How come she never gave any account on the number of children she bore? and that alone has brought so many controversies in the church. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 7:24pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Bobbysworld28:the question is who are these witnesses? |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 7:25pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ichuka:That's another Question I've been having in mind to ask. can you kindly tell us how moses where moses got his stories from? |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 8:52pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Read Luke 1 further, this you have quoted was spoken to Zachariah, John's father, Elizabeth's husband. Remember Mary spent 3 months with Elizabeth when the latter was pregnant. Besides, all these details will be communicated then because before this time, Elizabeth had been barren and now was old so the circumstance behind this miracle of her conception (Luke 1:58) will be rehearsed in the community over and over again. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 8:54pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:The ones mentioned in John 15:27 and Acts 1:21,22 |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 8:57pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Your answer to this is if you can find out how Paul got to know about the details of, and what transpired at the last supper being absent therefrom and before he met the apostles to compare notes. see 1 Corinth 11:23 and Galatians 1:11,12 |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 9:05pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Scholar8200:your moniker is really a reflection of who you are... nothing but a 'scholar' thanks for the clarification sir. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 9:07pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Scholar8200:that of Paul is understandable. but that of moses, honestly I have no idea |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 11:06pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:We thank God 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 11:10pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Moses also wrote by inspiration and revelation just like Paul did. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 11:15pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Scholar8200:but logically, dreams and revelations can't be regarded as true sources of knowledge. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Scholar8200(m): 11:26pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Well revelations/inspiration/open vision rank higher than dreams. Since God does reveal the future therewith, any wonder He can reveal thhe past using same? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 11:37pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
Scholar8200:Cool. ... Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 3:08am On Feb 24, 2016 |
ShyNeptune: If you like reading other books that never made it as part of the bible, here is an account of the life of mary. The gospel of the birth of mary http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob05.htm The protoevangelion http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob06.htm Remember that mary did not drop from heaven. She had family too. And she could talk too. If you wanted to write about your mother's life as a child, wouldn't you? With a little effort and consultation? I fail to see the big deal here. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by ichuka(m): 12:42pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
ShyNeptune:Through the Revelation of the Holy Spirit.same way Adam was able to name all the animals. |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
Muafrika2:Yeah. .... true the bolded alone is enough explanation .. Thanks a Million for this.. Sir 1 Like |
Re: Where Did Matthew, Mark And John Get The Nativity Story From? by Nobody: 3:01pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
ichuka:How then can we ascertain the veracity of these stories? Because as it is anyone cam claim to have received revelations from the holyspirit and all... What if moses had written the books from his intellect.. What if moses was a fictional writer like Wole soyinka and Achebe and chimamanda etc.... What if the whole creation story was a fiction by Writer moses? |
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