neyobillz:


Infact he was the acting chairman after the demise of the Olubushe until earlier this year after Ogunwusi ascended the throne

So has he finally relinquished the chairmanship to Ooni ?

stevecantrell:


So has he finally relinquished the chairmanship to Ooni ?

Obviously...do u really comprehend my messages?

sweetgala:

So much distortion of what is a shared heritage because of pride and ego, it is also very odd that the first sign is this long over drawn issue started with the ascension of the Omo n'oba nedo, and death of Ooni Aderemi, the Alaafin made a claim of superiority and was quickly rebuffed by all kings including the Oba of Benin then Akenzua Ii.
There are still rituals on behalf of the Bini Kingdom which are done in Ile Ife, I can say with fact that both Ooni Sijuwade and Omo N'oba Erediauwa I are the cause of this confusion because if pride. It is time that the true history is told

The distortion started from colonial Western Nigeria. Placing the minority group in the Midwest under a majority Yoruba led to the expansion of Yoruba history, culture and language into the Midwest.
Western Nigerian politics , not tradition or history, is the the root of the contention.

bokohalal:


Thank you! What we have been saying all along.
Eko and Warri monarchies are Benin derived. Those are symbols of royalty that has been with Benin from time. Check out ancient Benin artworks.
Now , Ife. If the ADA was from Ife, all other Yoruba monarchs would have been using it since it is claimed Ife gave birth to the rest. Is there a reason only Benin is using it out of all Oduduwa's children?
Is it not then logical to conclude that the only reason Ife has the ADA is because it is also Benin derived?

It's is IDA and not ADA.

IDA = Sword
ADA= Cutlass

There are dedicated Yoruba Chiefs that Carry the IDA(swords).

ifihearam:
I am a full blooded itsekiri man from the royal lineage but I beg to accept this assertion by his royal majesty because the only reason the late Olu's first son was not crowned is because his mother the queen was from the Yoruba royal house and the only condition to be crowned king is when your mother is from the Bini royal house hence the disqualification of the late Olu's first son and the immediate younger brother crowned. I know the itsekiris are direct descendants from the Yorubas but I know the binis also plays a pivotal role in the history of the great itsekiri kingdom.

Long live the Olu of warri

Ogiame suooooooo

It could be politics, or better still maybe there is or was a feud some where

bokohalal:

The distortion started from colonial Western Nigeria. Placing the minority group in the Midwest under a majority Yoruba led to the expansion of Yoruba history, culture and language into the Midwest.
Western Nigerian politics , not tradition or history, is the the root of the contention.

True. The distortion became too much that Oba Akenzua II got fed up with it. Especially after the Alake made a careless statement in Western Region parliament in 1952. Midwest Region was loading seriously from then.

neyobillz:


Obviously...do u really comprehend my messages?

I understand, the Owa (and subjects) believed a new Ooni wasn't experienced enough to lead the Osun state council of Trad rulers and hence would not step down. That's what I understand.

Experience and age should account for something, I think.

MayorofLagos:


Why did he not? Did he send a staff to represent him or was he completely absent?

The poster said representatives of the Oba of Benin Palace where present!

Didn't u read the article ni?

OBAGADAFFI:


It's is IDA and not ADA.

IDA = Sword
ADA= Cutlass

There are dedicated Yoruba Chiefs that Carry the IDA(swords).

It is ADA in Edo. We are not Yoruba

All the sensible tribes in naija respects the Yoruba's... except for the two arrogant ones; the binis and the.... I.... u know now... help complete am...

So you mean the fulanis grazing your lands with cattles, rapping your maidens and claiming right respect you?

ifihearam:
I am a full blooded itsekiri man from the royal lineage but I beg to accept this assertion by his royal majesty because the only reason the late Olu's first son was not crowned is because his mother the queen was from the Yoruba royal house and the only condition to be crowned king is when your mother is from the Bini royal house hence the disqualification of the late Olu's first son and the immediate younger brother crowned. I know the itsekiris are direct descendants from the Yorubas but I know the binis also plays a pivotal role in the history of the great itsekiri kingdom.

Long live the Olu of warri

Ogiame suooooooo

exactly! Wo fo de de

bokohalal:

It is ADA in Edo. We are not Yoruba

The name for swords all over Yoruba land is IDA.

And it's totally different from what the Edos call it.

OBAGADAFFI:


The name for swords all over Yoruba land is IDA.

And it's totally different from what the Edos call it.

And I should care? Na wa o.

ifihearam:
I am a full blooded itsekiri man from the royal lineage but I beg to accept this assertion by his royal majesty because the only reason the late Olu's first son was not crowned is because his mother the queen was from the Yoruba royal house and the only condition to be crowned king is when your mother is from the Bini royal house hence the disqualification of the late Olu's first son and the immediate younger brother crowned. I know the itsekiris are direct descendants from the Yorubas but I know the binis also plays a pivotal role in the history of the great itsekiri kingdom.

Long live the Olu of warri

Ogiame suooooooo

U shaaa want to talk,u agree u disagree all by urself,keep confusing yourself

[quote author=oluwaahmed post=43218599]But ow can 1 rank d Ooni of ife ova d oba of beni? Is it dt dat oba does not knw his own history? Oduduwa was a son of d oba of beni,he den found his. Way 2 yoruba land & on reachin der he was immediately crowned king, because der was a prophesy dat a king will cme out 4rm a particular locatn thru a bush & thus did oduduwa. His children founded d states of d present yoruba kingdom. So Ooni of ife is a son 2 d oba of beni. Go and read ur history.[/quote

I have researched all I can. Both Oduduwa and the first Oba of Beni are the twin children of Chukwu oke Abiama. All of them moved from Ututu Ihe in Arochukwu of the present South Eastern Coastal forest region some 428 years ago to their present areas.
This as documented by eminent historian Prof John Rollo Fleman of Cambridge University College of African History in his book ' The true origin of Yoruba and Beni Civilization' .

olagamalin:
Oh Well ..... That settled on one angle. Let's await another rebuttal from the Bini Council. Perhaps a fresh epistle from Odia Ofeimun. #2016istheYearofWahala

Why awaiting a rebuttal from Benin palace and not from Ooni the one in question?

Be very careful!

I don't know if this Olu Of Warri or wherever knows his history at all Beginning from the 15th Century by Prince Ginuwa from the Ancient Kingdom of Benin. He should go and ask his ancestors

AreaFada2:


Well, Prince Ginuwa, the first Ogiame was the son of Oba Olua of Benin. No member of Ogiame royal family has ever disputed that.

The title Ogiame only has a meaning in Benin language.

Do you tell your father who his ancestor was or your father tells you?

Olu of Warri has every reason to be grateful to Yoruba, because Awolowo raised the stool from of Olu of Itsekhiri to Olu of Warri. Something the Edoid tribes of Urhobo & Isoko protested seriously. Even Izons did. Awo only pacified them by agreeing to change Warri province to Delta Province. Basically Awo sought to raise Yoruba/Yoruboid people. The seed of discord was sowed partly through that. This is still recent history.

If you look at the referendum to create Midwest region, more Itsekhiris voted to stay with Western Region than any other tribe.
Also, right now, it's more politically expedient to suck up to the larger, more influential Yorubas than Edos.
But still, Ogboju and intimidation based on numbers cannot change history.

You're right. Olu of Warri is not mentioned as Ododuwa descendant. He can only claim that through Oba Olua of Benin.

But soon we will see revisionists writing that the Olu of Warri was one hitherto undocumented son Oranmiyan sired after leaving Benin or Oyo.

Anyone can claim Ghengis Khan or Julius Caesar as ancestor.

I really loved the way you explained it all here, but one thing that gets me confused or shocked was when one of my itsekiri friend asked me to teach him how to speak Yoruba and simple Yoruba words I was trying to teach him are the things he already knew, and pronounced correctly even though the guy has never stepped foot in the west.

Omeny:


Why awaiting a rebuttal from Benin palace and not from Ooni the one in question?

Be very careful!

Perhaps you conveniently missed where it was stated the Ooni refused to be drawn into any supremacy tussle. There's a reason you should peruse before commenting.

sweetgala:


I would not assume that because Ife has the Ida as a royal insignia that it is derived from Bini as the reverse can be said to be the case. One fact is true, both thrones are descended from the same origin, and their claim to authority is via the throne of Oduduwa (Lamurudu)

I can conclude the argument as is now is built on ego rather than fact, I am a prince from Ife myself and from factual understanding, it is conclusive that the Bini kingdom as it currently seats was established by a prince either by conquest, or political annexation through marriage, this same lineage conquered and united Ile-ife.

I failed to complete my previous write up, the insignia includes both the Ida and Ape (both ceremonial swords) which is also the insignia of many kings from Olowo, the Deji of Akure, I'm yet to conclude if the Alaafin usues the Ape but I have seen the Ida in his royal assemblage.

The fact remains that previous Bini kings before this present king were subservient to the throne of the Ooni as were many others, this would signify that the throne of the Ooni in Ife was the first base of the Kings who annexed these other areas importantly Oyo, Eko , Edo, Owo, Egba , Epe , and possibly Delta.

The name might signify this fact Ile-Ife (the land of expansion) Looking at the traditional process it is very likely that Bini kingdom may have later become the most important seat of this kings authority by choice similar to Oyo due to military advantage. While Ife remained his source of devination therefore referred to as the Oracle, where important rites and rituals took place.

Bini as a gateways to the southern coast and Oyo to the North.

In what century did the Ooni of Ife annex Epe?

A lot of you just distort history for no reason. For the Ooni of Ife to annex Epe, he must have annexed Ijebu kingdom. And the fact that throughout history, Ife never had an army that could even defend Ife and Ijebu warriors were the ones who protected Ife throughout all its wars, is enough to show that you don't even know what you're talking about.

Ife never annexed any kingdom. Even if it tried, it never had the army to pull it off. How many times did Owu sack Ife?

Codedrock:
All the sensible tribes in naija respects the Yoruba's... except for the two arrogant ones; the binis and the.... I.... u know now... help complete am...

And the jew/Israelite wannabes

oluwaahmed:
But ow can 1 rank d Ooni of ife ova d oba of beni? Is it dt dat oba does not knw his own history? Oduduwa was a son of d oba of beni,he den found his. Way 2 yoruba land & on reachin der he was immediately crowned king, because der was a prophesy dat a king will cme out 4rm a particular locatn thru a bush & thus did oduduwa. His children founded d states of d present yoruba kingdom. So Ooni of ife is a son 2 d oba of beni. Go and read ur history.

Oduduwa had many children like Olupopo, Oba-ibirin (Oba of Benin), Oragun, Oranyan etcetera so don't giv us yeye History we're the father of ur fathers, proudly Odua since centuries!

The Bennin royal palace and the entire Bennin indigenes can deny the supremacy of Ooni of Ife but their denial will never change the history. It only show the level of Bennin royal house inferiority complex.

bokohalal:

What do you know? He does.

most of you on this forum acts like agressive nitwits.i asked a simple question and...

Lawmosh:
And the ibos will want these people to be part of their Biafra? When they are even more related to the Yorubas.

Must you bring in the Igbos in your infantile dicck measuring? What's the matter with you? Why can't you be complete and self-assured without mentioning the Igbos? Dem do you juju? Eeh?

FisifunKododada:
See Gobe - now the descendants of Oduduwa all over the country are chipping in. I guess the Yorubas were right after all. To be continued.

Did they tell you Binis are descendant of Oduduwa?

Did you see Binis as a pple trying to mingle with anything or anybody?

Well, you are still a Child my friend!

If you have time watch this documentary



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_kaUuUg8Y

British battle with Benin empire in 1897. without taken down the Benin empire Nigeria would hav never been colonise..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2HHWsr3A2M

Codedrock:
All the sensible tribes in naija respects the Yoruba's... except for the two arrogant ones; the binis and the.... I.... u know now... help complete am...

Did I just hear you mention Bini as being arrogant?
A
Am ashamed of you and no need to exchange words with u because u urself is so arrogant!

Which tribe respects the Yorubas anyway?

Don't let me talk ill of my beloved yorubas pls!

Watch b4 u talk because u might to like what u will hear!

bokohalal:
The Oba of Benin did not attend the ceremony.

Can you just mention one occasion where you have seen the Oba of Benin outside his palace. For your information the Oba of Benin is not like other Obas.

bokohalal:
See Yorubas jubilant. This confirm that they do not know history. The OGIAME is not recorded as Oduduwa's descendant. Anywhere.

But one thing is clear, the 1st King of Warri and Benin are descendants of a Yoruba man, Oranmiyan (Oranyan)

AreaFada2:


True. The distortion became too much that Oba Akenzua II got fed up with it. Especially after the Alake made a careless statement in Western Region parliament in 1952. Midwest Region was loading seriously from then.

What was the statement made so it can be analyzed ?. Just saying a statement was made can not be the conclusion