KingEbukasBlog:


The dilettante of conspiracy theory ... have you discovered the origin of the annunaki yet ?

But you worship them,don't you? You worship and pay them tithes

i wouldn't have had problems with Trinity if Jesus had said it himself that he is God...he only said i and my father,we're one,which is normal...
Jesus' constant refrence to His father in heaven cannot be neglected, to crown it all,he said he'd send a comforter,i.e Holy spirit... i stand to be corrected anyways.


I think the problem with bible started fron translation....we've missed so many things due to translation.

Your explanation is more confusing. Pls if u are not versed in scriptural matter,pls meet those who are to explain to u about d topic. As far as i know, God is one not 3. Are u trying to say God is God, the son is God and the spirit is God too?

ifenes:


But you worship them,don't you? You worship and pay them tithes

I dont worship the annunaki , they have a beginning but my God is eternal . So have you found out the origin of the annunaki yet?

I'm really fed up of all this argument, God should have made this easy for we humans. My old peeps are really at war with me for becoming a Xtian

CRAP

This is it, if Satan told Jesus to worship him just once then Jesus answered it is Only Jehovah you give exclusive devotion to as recorded in Matthew 4:10. Now do you think Satan did not know Jesus' position in heaven? Then in Matthew 4:6, Satan himself categorically call Jesus son of God. Is Satan lying or categorically stating what he knew about Jesus while he was still in heaven before his fall? Even what Satan know some Christians sorry to say can't comprehend it.

It's such pity Wat d Vatican nd Catholic has given d world(Trinity)... Doctrine from d pit of hell
Study d scriptures well pple

Come out of dem...

The Lord our God is ONE.......

Surely you will defend your side and condemn the other...but I know Jesus said "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn"(Matt.13:30) and I'm very sure Jesus said "I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life no one cometh to the Father except by me" (John14:6)

gbaskiboy:
I only know of One God, in which Jesus christ refers to as Our Father.... Any believe apart from this is man made inventions to lead people astray... Pardon me if am being sarcastic....

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However, these three persons are not three separate gods, but One God. This Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a human standpoint, but is perfectly logical from God's extradimensional existence.
Anti-Trinitarian heresies either elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps!

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the
nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit " (Matthew 28:19)

Surely you will defend your side and condemn the other...but I know Jesus said "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn"(Matt.13:30) and I'm very sure Jesus said "I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life no one cometh to the Father except by me" (John14:6)

bulldoza:

You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble.
Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty.
stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about. You Christians are just hypocrites. You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws:
Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws?
They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.
Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In
the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most Christians says
Jesus is God. It’s an amazing
situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. In fact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being.
The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says
listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims.
In fact, he rebukes such claims.
In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked
him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want
to be called good much less god. But did the christians
follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god.
I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is
gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly
declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my
own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his
Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own
will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with
Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the
previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message.
The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3,
and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed
(numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed
Mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though.
They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims?
And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that
he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.
In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic
as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to
rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message.
Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the
preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this
kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play.
You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from
where it comes from. Jesus pray to God; christians
pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus.
Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense.
It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING
OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

Surely you will defend your side and condemn the other...but I know Jesus said "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn"(Matt.13:30) and I'm very sure Jesus said "I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life no one cometh to the Father except by me" (John14:6)

The IM in Elohim annd other names of God you see are not plural of Number!
These are plural of Respect as in Classic English when the royals use we for themselves even when they mean only singular.

this is also paramount in YORUBA Language as well. It is clear throughout the Bible that GOD is UNITY and nothing like Triunity anything.

There is only one GOD and Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be GOD. There is no place in the Bible where Jesus categorically stateted that he is God almighty or that he Jesus should be worshiped.

Rather Jesus stated in many place that God in Heaven (He is on Earth then) is One. To make it clearer to people who may be confused, He said my Father in Heaven is greater than I. "why callest me Good,There is no one GOOD except GOD". Jesus said so as well.

But who ever God has guided, non can misguide him and whoever have been left astray by God, due to his/her own foolishness, non can guide such a person.

May God guide us all aright.

Laid2001:
The IM in Elohim annd other names of God you see are not plural of Number!
These are plural of Respect as in Classic English when the royals use we for themselves even when they mean only singular.

this is also paramount in YORUBA Language as well. It is clear throughout the Bible that GOD is UNITY and nothing like Triunity anything.

There is only one GOD and Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be GOD. There is no place in the Bible where Jesus categorically stateted that he is God almighty or that he Jesus should be worshiped.

Rather Jesus stated in many place that God in Heaven (He is on Earth then) is One. To make it clearer to people who may be confused, He said my Father in Heaven is greater than I. "why callest me Good,There is no one GOOD except GOD". Jesus said so as well.

But who ever God has guided, non can misguide him and whoever have been left astray by God, due to his/her own foolishness, non can guide such a person.

Mat God guide us all aright.

the english word indicating plural "S" is also the royal we ? Many disciples call jesus God, and jesus did not reject it.

Isaiah said so:
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a
sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God
with us)” (Isaiah 7:14).
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is
given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The
everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah
9:6).

Thomas said so:
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My
Lord and my God” (John 20:28).

Paul said so:
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).
“Whose are the fathers, and of whom as
concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over
all, God blessed for ever. Amen” (Romans 9:5)
.

The writer of Hebrews said so:
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God,
is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:.
The Apostle John said so:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1).
[In John 1:14 we are told that "the
Word was made [became] flesh and
dwelt among us" making it clear that
John, in using the term "Word," was
referring to Jesus Christ the One who
took on human flesh and became a
Man.]
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life” (1 John 5:20).

Peter said so:
“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus
Christ,to them that have obtained like precious
faith with us through the righteousness of God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1).
“At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be
established” (Deuteronomy 19:15)

john. 10:30. Jesus says" I and my Father are one.

pls read it bibles before uttering blasphemy

bulldoza:

You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble.
Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty.
stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about. You Christians are just hypocrites. You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws:
Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws?
They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.
Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In
the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most Christians says

Jesus is God. It’s an amazing
situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. In fact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being.
The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says
listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims.
In fact, he rebukes such claims.
In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked
him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want
to be called good much less god. But did the christians
follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god.
I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is
gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly
declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my
own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his
Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own
will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with
Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the
previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message.
The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3,
and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed
(numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed
Mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though.
They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims?
And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that
he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.
In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic
as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to
rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message.
Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the
preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this
kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play.
You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from
where it comes from. Jesus pray to God; christians
pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus.
Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense.
It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING
OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

did abraham pray the 5 daily prayer ? It is Muhammad that invented the five daily prayer. How is it possible that this prophet you mention pray the 5 daily prayer ? Did they wash their feet and nose also ? The pagan also bow their head in prayer, are they also muslims ?

Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who
did take His servant for a Journey
by night from the Sacred Mosque to
the farthest Mosque, Whose
precincts We did bless, – in order that
We might show him some of Our
Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth
and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali)
According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly
took Muhammad on a journey from the
Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque
at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night
Journey with great
importance for the reason that this
journey determined the Islamic ritual of
praying five times a day. In other words,
Muhammad’s Night Journey has an
impact on the lives of more than a billion
Muslims all over the world – five times – each
and every day.
Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to
have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce
to 5 after muhammed plead.
There are twenty-four hours in a day. If
Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to
pray fifty times a day, Muslims would
hardly have sufficient time left for work,
sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we
were to allow just fifteen minutes for
each of the fifty prayer rituals along with
the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5
hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not
include the time it takes to travel to the
mosque and back for those who prefer to
pray there. However, on Fridays all
Muslim males are required to pray at the
mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even
going by the very bare minimum, a
Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours.
Most employment requires a person to
work at least 8 hours a day on the
average. What about the time spent
traveling to and fro from work? If we
were to deduct an average of just 10
hours for employment, the Muslim is
now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And
humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of
sleep to remain healthy.
OUR QUESTION IS:
Does not Allah know that there are only
24 hours in a day?
Does not Allah know that his
worshippers need to work, eat, sleep
and care for their families?
Why did not Allah know that even going
by the bare minimum, Muslims will not
be able cope with his absurd demand
to pray fifty times a day?
Did not Allah know that it would be
impossible for Muslims to accomplish
this unreasonable command to stop
every 28.8 minutes for prayer?
Can Allah really then be the all
knowing God as you claim?
Since a Muslim will have to stop
working twice each hour to pray, would
any employer, in his right mind,
employ a Muslim?
Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to
pray five times a day in the first place?
Does not this show that Moses was
much wiser than Allah?
Does not this also prove that Moses was
more in tune with reality than Allah?
How could Moses – a mere human
Even the reduced number of five daily
prayers at specific times has proven to
be counter productive to the economy
growth of many Muslim nations.
Prayer works through love. In
Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God
wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers
that are demanded to be expressed in a specific
number of times and at certain specific times.
There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in
Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian
can pray at any time before his God. The Bible
prescribes neither the form nor the amount of
prayer required of the believer. In the Bible,
prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion,
although this does not contradict the
fact, that God has told his worshippers to
persevere in prayer.

Gayjesus:
Genesis had nothing to do with God. It is nothing but mixing up of human genes and creating slave race.

Omo ale

lekjons:
thats one of the reasons muslims says we worship jesus..

There is nothing like trinity for christ sake!

1John5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

john. 10:30. Jesus says" I and my Father are one

ayodijex:
i wouldn't have had problems with Trinity if Jesus had said it himself that he is God...he only said i and my father,we're one,which is normal...
Jesus' constant refrence to His father in heaven cannot be neglected, to crown it all,he said he'd send a comforter,i.e Holy spirit... i stand to be corrected anyways.


I think the problem with bible started fron translation....we've missed so many things due to translation.

Is it also normal for him to have the authority to forgive sins?

malvisguy212:
the english word indicating plural "S" is also the royal we ? Many disciples call jesus God, and jesus did not reject it.

Isaiah said so:
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a
sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God
with us)” (Isaiah 7:14).
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is
given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The
everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah
9:6).

Thomas said so:
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My
Lord and my God” (John 20:28).

Paul said so:
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).
“Whose are the fathers, and of whom as
concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over
all, God blessed for ever. Amen” (Romans 9:5)
.

The writer of Hebrews said so:
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God,
is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:.
The Apostle John said so:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God” (John
1:1).
[In John 1:14 we are told that "the
Word was made [became] flesh and
dwelt among us" making it clear that
John, in using the term "Word," was
referring to Jesus Christ the One who
took on human flesh and became a
Man.]
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life” (1 John 5:20).

Peter said so:
“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus
Christ,to them that have obtained like precious
faith with us through the righteousness of God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1).
“At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be
established” (Deuteronomy 19:15)

You are absolutely spot on. It's unfortunate dat most christians, even though they can't comprehend d complexity of d Trinity concept (which is understandable), yet they can't apprehend d fact dat Trinity is not about three gods as some would mistake it to be, but it's about God in three persons. The word Trinity may not be in d Bible, but d new testament provides so many hints dat points to dat, it's all over d pages and yet people can't fathom. Jesus told the jews who tried to pick up stones to stone him after revealing dat "Before Abraham was, "I AM". The jews understood what Jesus implied here,not just in a mere existence before Abraham, but dat Christ was quoting d same words God ascribed to himself as the "I AM THAT I AM". Jesus told them "Yea shall die in ur sins if u don't believe dat I Am...." I think d above illustration should be either in John 7 or 8. The fearful fact is dat Men doubt and question d Deity of Christ, yet during Christ's earthly Ministry, d demons never dare to question, they knew who he was and is (Matt. 8:29) (ie the Son Of God). The mere fact dat Jesus is d Son of God is Deity in itself. They say in our african proverb dat "the son of a snake is a snake".

Bulldoza has spoken some truth but many lies. Jesus is not the object of worship but God through him. Jesus claimed to be the way and that we cannot come to the Father except through him. In the old testament, the bible told us that no one has seen God at at any time. And Jesus repeated the same in the New testament that no one has seen God at any time. Moses told them again that they only heard a voice but did not see any form lest they go and make graven images of anyone in heaven. In Exodus 24, the elders of Israel saw the God of Israel and He ate with them and He did not lay His hands on them. Is the Bible mistaken? Even in Exodus 33, the Bible recorded that the Lord spake with Moses face to face like a man speaks with his friend and in that same chapter God is telling Moses that he cannot see his face and live. Is the Bible Mistaken? Jesus Christ according to the Bible in Revelations was the God of the Holy prophets, the God of Israel who claimed that Israel was his inheritance. Can God inherit the world He created? Can the OP inherit his car and his own house that he built? Not at all. The Bible records that Jesus came unto his own (Israel) and his own did not receive him, therefore he gave everyone entrance into the kingdom of God, those that believed on his name.
Now on the trinity, there is nothing as such and it is meant to deceive those whom the truth has been shielded from. In Exodus 23> 20:
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

Verse 22, we see God was speaking to the Israelites that if they obey the voice of the Angel and do all that God speaks....., The same claim that Jesus made, He came to do the will of God who speaks through him. And Verse 25 restated the LORDSHIP of Jesus. That Jesus is Lord who shall bless our bread and our water and God will take away the sickness away from us. In Daniel, we were told that the Son of Man was brought before the Ancient of Days and power, everlasting dominion was given to him by God. In 1Cor 15, Paul told us that the one that gave the kingdom to Jesus is exempted from his dominion which makes the Son to be subject to the Father and of whom Jesus claimed to be His God in John and in Revelations. So how can there be trinity when God has put the Spirit of his Son in our hearts whereby we cry Abba Father? How can there be trinity when it was God who raised up Jesus from the dead? In Hebs 10, we were told that when Jesus came into the world, a body was prepared for him and to this< Jesus told us that he came down from heaven and the people then wondered how can he claim to come down from heaven when they know his parents and siblings among them. As for the Islamic group, Jesus has given them an opening when he said that other fold which is not of the sheep that hear his voice, he will bring them into the fold that they may all be one. But their mode of prayer that Bulldoza alluded to, Jesus condemned because they love praying in the streets. Mat 6. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

achorladey:
This is it, if Satan told Jesus to worship him just once then Jesus answered it is Only Jehovah you give exclusive devotion to as recorded in Matthew 4:10. Now do you think Satan did not know Jesus' position in heaven? Then in Matthew 4:6, Satan himself categorically call Jesus son of God. Is Satan lying or categorically stating what he knew about Jesus while he was still in heaven before his fall? Even what Satan know some Christians sorry to say can't comprehend it.

Satan is actually wiser than every human and knows the bible inside out, more than any christian ever would.

piagetskinner:
I believe in the trinity.... God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit


Just like water exists in 3 forms solid liquid and gas (I. e vapour) it doesn't make one state greater than the other, because they all exist as water. And serve different functions by virtue of the state they exist in.

In essence God is one!

Your analogy is flawed. you need to understand there difference between 3 in 1 and 1 in 3. the three forms of water cannot coexist and still retain their UNIQUE identities.

bulldoza:

You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble.
Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty.
stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about. You Christians are just hypocrites. You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws:
Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws?
They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.
Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In
the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most Christians says

Jesus is God. It’s an amazing
situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. In fact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being.
The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says
listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims.
In fact, he rebukes such claims.
In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked
him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want
to be called good much less god. But did the christians
follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god.
I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is
gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly
declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my
own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his
Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own
will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with
Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the
previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message.
The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3,
and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed
(numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed
Mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though.
They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims?
And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that
he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.
In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic
as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to
rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message.
Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the
preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this
kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play.
You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from
where it comes from. Jesus pray to God; christians
pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus.
Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense.
It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING
OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

You have said it all. May Allah grant you Favour in this world and hereafter.

This were the same points I picked when I was still a christian,infact a sunday school teacher for that matter.

Christianity is an act of following the Messenger and not the Messages.

I wonder how someone thinks Jesus came to wipe away sins,that god supposedly sacrificed his only son just to be able to forgive them.
The question they should ask is how did the people of NOAH get their sins forgiven after joining in the boat? They never needed to share blood,what God needed was their change of ways. There were so many sinners before christ that God forgave their sins withou blood shed.

Saying God used his 'son' Jesus to help us clear our sins is like saying a company borrowed funds from its own operational account to fund a project. What's the essense of killing your only son when you still the one that all sins to be forgiven comes from.
Well,Alhamdulilah for everything.

ifenes:
There is no trinity. It was a lie cooked up by the Vatican.
What happens next is absolute Sacriledge, the Spanish Inquisition was created, anyone who denied the Church and Jesus Christ was to be put to death, so free will was under attack again. Many men , women and children we burned at the stake, many mavericks , many spiritual Healers, many midwives, many scholars, many scientists, many great thinkers,for not accepting trinity and Jesus as their savior. I don't understand how this topic reached front page!

Now the "Waldensian," or "Vaudois" Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD. The fact is, according to John Calvin's successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. This Bible was passed down from generation, until the Reformation of the 1500s, when the Protestants translated the Vaudois Bible into French, Italian,

Wither your claim:

When the Bible was created in 325AD Constantine had 1700 Scholars help him create the Bible. Once the Bible was created 1400 Scholars violently rebelled the creation of this Book. Emporer Constantine had the 1400 Scholars Executed, the last 300 remaining Scholars agreed under the fear of death to create this book.

Tpeters:
It's such pity Wat d Vatican nd Catholic has given d world(Trinity)... Doctrine from d pit of hell
Study d scriptures well pple

Come out of dem...

The Lord our God is ONE.......

Pls read this:
https://www.nairaland.com/2937501/1-john-5-7-real

Catholicism did NOT give us the Trinity.

Laid2001:
The IM in Elohim annd other names of God you see are not plural of Number!
These are plural of Respect as in Classic English when the royals use we for themselves even when they mean only singular.

this is also paramount in YORUBA Language as well. It is clear throughout the Bible that GOD is UNITY and nothing like Triunity anything.

There is only one GOD and Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be GOD. There is no place in the Bible where Jesus categorically stateted that he is God almighty or that he Jesus should be worshiped.

Rather Jesus stated in many place that God in Heaven (He is on Earth then) is One. To make it clearer to people who may be confused, He said my Father in Heaven is greater than I. "why callest me Good,There is no one GOOD except GOD". Jesus said so as well.

But who ever God has guided, non can misguide him and whoever have been left astray by God, due to his/her own foolishness, non can guide such a person.

Mat God guide us all aright.

Pls, the Respect/Royal plural was NEVER used in the Bible.The pronouns were always used as a representation of the realities.

ifenes:
There is no trinity. It was a lie cooked up by the Vatican. When the Bible was created in 325AD Constantine had 1700 Scholars help him create the Bible. Once the Bible was created 1400 Scholars violently rebelled the creation of this Book. Emporer Constantine had the 1400 Scholars Executed, the last 300 remaining Scholars agreed under the fear of death to create this book.

What happens next is absolute Sacriledge, the Spanish Inquisition was created, anyone who denied the Church and Jesus Christ was to be put to death, so free will was under attack again. Many men , women and children we burned at the stake, many mavericks , many spiritual Healers, many midwives, many scholars, many scientists, many great thinkers,for not accepting trinity and Jesus as their savior. I don't understand how this topic reached front page!

Lol

bulldoza:

You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble.
Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty.
stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about. You Christians are just hypocrites. You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws:
Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws?
They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.
Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In
the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most Christians says

Jesus is God. It’s an amazing
situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. In fact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being.
The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says
listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims.
In fact, he rebukes such claims.
In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked
him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want
to be called good much less god. But did the christians
follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god.
I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is
gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly
declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my
own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his
Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own
will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with
Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the
previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message.
The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3,
and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed
(numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed
Mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though.
They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims?
And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that
he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.
In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic
as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to
rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message.
Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the
preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this
kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play.
You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from
where it comes from. Jesus pray to God; christians
pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus.
Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense.
It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING
OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

So inspiring!
Am confused about religion!
Been a christian all my life, a bible scholar as a matter of fact,I've never had anyone challenged my faith the way this guy just did.

QTEST007:

So inspiring!
Am confused about religion!
Been a christian all my life, a bible scholar as a matter of fact,I've never had anyone challenged my faith the way this guy just did.

That is the purpose, to confuse you! But I dont expect that from a Bible scholar except you specialised just in the theories but not the experiential knowledge of that wherein you claim to be a scholar!

bulldoza:

You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus.

to me, this is a compliment!

Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER.

Yes because the Messenger in this case is the Message!

THIS IS BLASPHEMY!

Against Who?

And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble.
Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty.
stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about.

Oh you mean the one chronicled in the failed 'gospel of Barnabas'?

You Christians are just hypocrites.

Another compliment! Thanks bro; keep em coming!

You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws:

Yes He came to fulfil (not the same as obey; go search for the difference).

Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

Do you know what that highlighted means and its implication for religions with abundance of externals?

These are Jesus’ words, from his lips.

Jesus also said this:
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, [size=14pt]Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him[/size].

John 9:35-37

What then?

But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws?

Sure, the righteousness of the law is fufilled in us who, after believing on the Lord, walk after the Spirit!

They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.
Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In
the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most Christians says

Yes, the average Israelite knew that. But why didnt they stone David and Isaiah when they said respectively:

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Psalm 110:1

Remember Jesus quoted this in Matthew 22:42-44 as a reference to the Christ!

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

Jesus is God. It’s an amazing
situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached.

This is like saying Jesus never spoke French so those that call God, Dieu are saying what Jesus never said.

They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being.
The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says
listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims.

Why Would He?

As regards His earthly life, get this down:

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:5-9

In fact, he rebukes such claims.
In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked
him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want
to be called good much less god. But did the christians
follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god.

He related differently with discernment. so, before you flee and try to establish claims on one encounter, try to balance everything!

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, [size=14pt]Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him[/size].

John 9:35-37

I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is
gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly
declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my
own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his
Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own
will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

All these was because the Word was made flesh and He humbled Himself. Show me where He spoke on this wise after rsurrection or in Revelations and I will believe you!

The teaching of Jesus is not something new;

You mean teachings like:
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 5:47
Who EVER said this before Jesus?

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of [size=14pt]the world[/size]: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12
Not only of Israel!

it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with
Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the
previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message.
The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3,
and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed
(numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed
Mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though

Pray? Who said this:
And [size=14pt]when ye stand praying[/size], forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mark 11:25

They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims?

Jesus also said this to a woman who believed in worshipping in a mountain etc :
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:23
Not in forms and rites and prayers by rote. As regards the latter, He even said:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:7

And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that
he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic
as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to
rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message.

And yet He stood to receive the first martyr Stephen? And yet in Revelations He sent messages to 7 churches? Indeed, the Jesus you are talking about is the ,'another Jesus' or one of the many false Christs Jesus and His Apostles warned us about!

Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus.
[u] Christians are more concerned with the one who did the
preaching than what he preached.

The Gospel is Jesus Christ and the Redemption He accomplished on the Cross! Millions have received, believed and sailed into Eternal glory!!! Why not join them?

Let me ask you a question which your ustadh have been avoiding, why or for what teaching were the Apostles and disciples of Jesus persecuted and martyred?

It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this
kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play.
You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from
where it comes from.

Not when the Messenger is the Message!

Jesus pray to God; christians
pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus.
Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense.

1. Show me your basis for claiming Jesus was a Muslim with reference to His Apostles;
2. On what basis do you tag Paul a confusionist? List at least 5 grounds.

It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING
OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

Yes but God still preserved His Word and we have it with us!

QTEST007:

So inspiring!
Am confused about religion!
Been a christian all my life, a bible scholar as a matter of fact,I've never had anyone challenged my faith the way this guy just did.

why are you lying? You are not even a christian talkless of a bible scholar. If you are a bible scholar as you claim, you must have read were jesus claim equality with God, and there are many verse were the title reserve for God alone is given to jesus, in the book of hebrew the father call the son "God". he writer of Hebrews said so: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:"

jazzboi:

You have said it all. May Allah grant you Favour in this world and hereafter.

This were the same points I picked when I was still a christian,infact a sunday school teacher for that matter.

Christianity is an act of following the Messenger and not the Messages.

I wonder how someone thinks Jesus came to wipe away sins,that god supposedly sacrificed his only son just to be able to forgive them.
The question they should ask is how did the people of NOAH get their sins forgiven after joining in the boat? They never needed to share blood,what God needed was their change of ways. There were so many sinners before christ that God forgave their sins withou blood shed.

Saying God used his 'son' Jesus to help us clear our sins is like saying a company borrowed funds from its own operational account to fund a project. What's the essense of killing your only son when you still the one that all sins to be forgiven comes from.
Well,Alhamdulilah for everything.

you don't know what you are saying, do you know who jesus is ? Is jesus message in the quran ? Compear muhammed life and the rest prophet lifstyle, do you still belive he is a prophet ? When you call the name of muhammed, why do you add 'pbuh' ? How can you invoke peace on someone who you claim is in heaven ? Contrast it with the peace jesus gave when he say , " MY PEACE I GIVE unto you NOT as the WORLD GIVE"

Which type of prophet will prophesied hell for his followers ?
Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of
your Lord that every one of you will be
taken to hell.”

Compear were jesus promise His followers heavenly home. If jesus is not the son of God, then whose son is He ?