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Scholar8200:
to me, this is a compliment!

Yes because the Messenger in this case is the Message!

Against Who?


Oh you mean the one chronicled in the failed 'gospel of Barnabas'?


Another compliment! Thanks bro; keep em coming!


Yes He came to fulfil (not the same as obey; go search for the difference).

Do you know what that highlighted means and its implication for religions with abundance of externals?


Jesus also said this:
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, [size=14pt]Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him[/size].

John 9:35-37

What then?


Sure, the righteousness of the law is fufilled in us who, after believing on the Lord, walk after the Spirit!

Yes, the average Israelite knew that. But why didnt they stone David and Isaiah when they said respectively:

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Psalm 110:1

Remember Jesus quoted this in Matthew 22:42-44 as a reference to the Christ!

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6


This is like saying Jesus never spoke French so those that call God, Dieu are saying what Jesus never said.

Why Would He?

As regards His earthly life, get this down:

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:5-9



He related differently with discernment. so, before you flee and try to establish claims on one encounter, try to balance everything!

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, [size=14pt]Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him[/size].

John 9:35-37




All these was because the Word was made flesh and He humbled Himself. Show me where He spoke on this wise after rsurrection or in Revelations and I will believe you!

You mean teachings like:
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 5:47
Who EVER said this before Jesus?

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of [size=14pt]the world[/size]: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12
Not only of Israel!



Pray? Who said this:
And [size=14pt]when ye stand praying[/size], forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mark 11:25



Jesus also said this to a woman who believed in worshipping in a mountain etc :
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:23
Not in forms and rites and prayers by rote. As regards the latter, He even said:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:7


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16



And yet He stood to receive the first martyr Stephen? And yet in Revelations He sent messages to 7 churches? Indeed, the Jesus you are talking about is the ,'another Jesus' or one of the many false Christs Jesus and His Apostles warned us about!




The Gospel is Jesus Christ and the Redemption He accomplished on the Cross! Millions have received, believed and sailed into Eternal glory!!! Why not join them?

Let me ask you a question which your ustadh have been avoiding, why or for what teaching were the Apostles and disciples of Jesus persecuted and martyred?

Not when the Messenger is the Message!



1. Show me your basis for claiming Jesus was a Muslim with reference to His Apostles;
2. On what basis do you tag Paul a confusionist? List at least 5 grounds.




Yes but God still preserved His Word and we have it with us!

malvisguy212:
you don't know what you are saying, do you know who jesus is ? Is jesus message in the quran ? Compear muhammed life and the rest prophet lifstyle, do you still belive he is a prophet ? When you call the name of muhammed, why do you add 'pbuh' ? How can you invoke peace on someone who you claim is in heaven ? Contrast it with the peace jesus gave when he say , " MY PEACE I GIVE unto you NOT as the WORLD GIVE"

Which type of prophet will prophesied hell for his followers ?
Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of
your Lord that every one of you will be
taken to hell.”

Compear were jesus promise His followers heavenly home. If jesus is not the son of God, then whose son is He ?

ifenes:
There is no trinity. It was a lie cooked up by the Vatican. When the Bible was created in 325AD Constantine had 1700 Scholars help him create the Bible. Once the Bible was created 1400 Scholars violently rebelled the creation of this Book. Emporer Constantine had the 1400 Scholars Executed, the last 300 remaining Scholars agreed under the fear of death to create this book.

What happens next is absolute Sacriledge, the Spanish Inquisition was created, anyone who denied the Church and Jesus Christ was to be put to death, so free will was under attack again. Many men , women and children we burned at the stake, many mavericks , many spiritual Healers, many midwives, many scholars, many scientists, many great thinkers,for not accepting trinity and Jesus as their savior. I don't understand how this topic reached front page!

bulldoza:
You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble.
Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty.
stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about. You Christians are just hypocrites. You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws:
Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws?
They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.
Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In
the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most Christians says

Jesus is God. It’s an amazing
situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. In fact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being.
The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says
listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims.
In fact, he rebukes such claims.
In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked
him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want
to be called good much less god. But did the christians
follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god.
I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is
gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly
declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my
own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his
Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge:
and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own
will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with
Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the
previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message.
The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3,
and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed
(numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed
Mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though.
They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims?
And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that
he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.
In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic
as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to
rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message.
Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the
preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this
kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play.
You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from
where it comes from. Jesus pray to God; christians
pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus.
Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense.
It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING
OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

dyfatai:
Your analogy is flawed. you need to understand there difference between 3 in 1 and 1 in 3. the three forms of water cannot coexist and still retain their UNIQUE identities.

jazzboi:
Owk now I get it...Jesus is the son of god while the other children of Mary are step sons and daughters of god.. see you on judgment day..till then,CHEERS!!

omnikether:
Say what you will @bulldoza, the fact is that Christianity runs on belief. It is unfortunate that Christianity as a whole have varying beliefs on the actual doctrine.

The Triune nature of God is a difficult topic to prove. [s] Like the initial post alluded to, how can a finite creature understand an infinite creator? [/s] An ant really cannot comprehend the workings of a human. Period. That said, religious apologists should just calm down. There is really no need ramming your beliefs down everyone's gullet. Such topics always throw up differences of opinion and usually devolve into shot-putting insults at one another. Let everyone concentrate on what moves one another forward, each silently praying to their God based on their beliefs. At the end of time, we will all be gathered and only then will we find out which belief was valid and which was not.

bulldoza:
Here we go again The usually bullshıts

Are we not using a reference book? Bible and Qur'an?
Is it not writing in the translation we understand (English)?

You people just like obey laws that suits your lifestyle....

Hypocrisy

malvisguy212:
why not response to scholar post ? The op did not quote quran, you bring it up. The quran identified jesus as the word and spirit of God.

Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of Mary
was (no more than) an apostle of God, and
HIS WORD, which he bestowed on Mary,
and a SPIRIT PEOCEEDING FROM HIM: so believe in God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali)

In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “His Word.” And "a spirit proceeding from Him"

Centuries before the Qur’an came into existence, this same title was given to Jesus in
the Bible:

John 1:14: “And the WORD BECAME FLESH
and made is dwelling among us. We have
seen his glory, the glory of the one and only
Son who came from the father, and he was
full of undeserved kindness and truth.”

But what is the reason jesus is call the Word and Spirit of God ? How do you reconcile the "Son of God" with this title given to jesus ? NO other prophet were address in this manner, ONLY jesus, WHY?? Why is jesus soo special ? I tell you the truth, if you don't know the father of Jesus, you do not know the true God.

bulldoza:
Is the word son

How can you people use your reasoning and believe that the all loving and all forgiven God needs his son to yo sacrificed (killed in cold blood by the people he is angry with) for him to forgive us our sins?.
Senseless!
If you claim to be Christ like, how does Jesus pray when he was alive? Did he call himself God?
Did his disciples worship him?
Did his disciples see him as God?

bulldoza:
Is the word son

How can you people use your reasoning and believe that the all loving and all forgiven God needs his son to yo sacrificed (killed in cold blood by the people he is angry with) for him to forgive us our sins?.
Senseless!
If you claim to be Christ like, how does Jesus pray when he was alive? Did he call himself God?
Did his disciples worship him?
Did his disciples see him as God?

malvisguy212:
"I kept looking in the night visions, And
behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a
Son of Man was coming, And He came up to
the Ancient of Days And was presented
before Him. "And to Him was given
dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the
peoples, nations, and men of every
language Might serve Him. His dominion is
an everlasting dominion Which will not pass
away; And His kingdom is one Which will not
be destroyed. ( Daniel 7:13-14)

Obviously, if the Son of Man were only human,
He would not be able to establish an eternal
kingdom. Likewise, He would not be able to
convince all peoples to serve Him. Such abilities and honors are reserved for God alone.

malvisguy212:
The word is the son of God, which other prophet is given this title reserve for God alone ? Both the quran and the Bible tell us very clearly
that Jesus had no human father. We must
therefore ask ourselves this vital question,
“Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘son’ by the angel
Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in
the Bible (Luke 1:35), whose son is he?”
[s] Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel
said to Mary: “I am only a messenger of thy
Lord, to announce to thee the gift of a holy
son.” Here, Gabriel refers to a son who was to
be given as a “gift” by God to Mary. Since the
Koran makes it very clear that the son is a gift
from God, it shows that Mary was only the
recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that
gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift
was a son. Therefore,the son belongs to
God which means the son was His or His son.
In other words, God’s son. This testifies to the
Gospel truth that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 5:18

18 For this reason therefore the Jews bwere
seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not
only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was
calling God His own Father, making Himself
equal with God.

bulldoza:
.... Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty. ....

gbaskiboy:
I only know of One God, in which Jesus christ refers to as Our Father.... Any believe apart from this is man made inventions to lead people astray... Pardon me if am being sarcastic....

facheux:
The 3 headed christian god reminds me of the hindu 3 headed god and the pagan 3 headed god.

Richirich713:
If you think the Christianity Trinity reminds you of the Hindu Trimurti then you clearly don't have a clue what the Hindu Trimurti teaches and how it contradicts the Christian Trinity doctrine.

The Hindu Trimurti teaches the creator god has three forms, Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.

This is not three co-existing eternal persons, it's one person who appears in three forms.

This is called Modalism, it directly contradicts the trinity doctrine and is consider heresy by trinitarians

Same with all the so-called pagan Trinity's, they never three co-existing eternal persons.

bulldoza:
[/s]
Lol!
Very silly deductions

You forgot it came out of a narration

" [19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant
you a pure son."
[19:20] She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste. "....

To the point
Is God a man?
According to the bible, God is NOT a man.
Number 23:19.

Is Jesus christ a man?
According to the bible, YES
Acts 2:22

According to the bible again,
Jesus is seen as a SERVANT OF GOD AND NOT A SON
Mathews 19:18
Acts 3:13
Acts 3:26 (ONLY the conman King James have a different opinion)

So who is deceiving who here?

bulldoza:
You're beginning to sound ignorant

What has this quote got to the with the points and questions asked
Any correlations?

facheux:
Hmmmm

facheux:
1) Born of virgin

facheux:
2) Born of 25 December

facheux:
3) 12 Disciples

facheux:
4) Performed miracles

facheux:
5) Dead for three days

facheux:
6) Resurrected

facheux:
7) Sunday Worship

malvisguy212:
the quran call Him the word of God and the spirit of God. How do you reconcile this title with jesus being the son of God ?

malvisguy212:
In John 1:1 the bible say the Word WAS God. And in verse 14 the bible say and the Word BECAME Flesh. If you are educated, you will know what this mean. Did men see jesus when He was the Word ? NO, men BEGAN to see him when He became Flesh. Jesus is FULLY man and FULLY God. In micah 5:2 the bible say:

[s]
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[a] of
Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel,whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

FULLY MAN:
He was to be born in bathlehem at a specific period of time, this prove the messiah is a man.
FULLY GOD:
His origin is unknown, "from ancient times" just as isaiah say, the everlasting father.

Being a servant is a choice He made.

Philipians 2:6-9
6 Who, being IN THE FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT
, and was made
in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he
HUMBLE HIMSELF, and became obedient OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,
and given him a name which is above every
name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth,
and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that
Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the
Father.

bulldoza:
Use your head man!
How is it difficult for you to comprehend SIMPLE LOGIC?
Every message delivered by the messenger is the WORD OF GOD.
Stop confusing your. There's nothing very special about Jesus compared to other messengers e.g David, moses e.t.c.
They are all word of God. The only thing special about Jesus is his birth which the Qur'an acknowledged.
If vp osinbajo represents Buhari in an occasion, will he continue to say "Buhari said"?
In that wise, is osinbajo = to Buhari? No
Jesus did not come on his own. He said he was sent by God. In the 8th chapter of John, Jesus in his word said" I didn't come ON MY OWN BUT SENT BY GOD" ....
Did he say he came to be worshipped?
Did his disciples worshipped him?
Did he worship himself?
How ridiculous and blasphemous
For God so love the world that he sent his only begotten son to come and die for the world.
Must anyone be kill to appease God?
Can God be killed?
Why didn't God come on his own to come and die?
Must any blood be shed?
Who did for the people of Noah before God forgave them?
Jesus SAID HE DIDN'T COME TO BE SERVED AS GOD.
Mathews 20:28 Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, [s] and to give his life as a
ransom for many." [/s]

Rubbish

How can Jesus christ be God when Jesus himself preached that God is ONE. Where did you people see trinity in the Bible?

Jesus christ was tempted by the Devil 3 times.
How can the Devil tempt God? Does it make any sense?

Question: "If Jesus was God, why did He say "The Father is greater than I" in John 14:28?"
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malvisguy212:
Give me prove that other prophet are called the word of God, if we are to agree with your logic here, there are more than hundreds of prophet, surly , at lest one or two should've been call, the word of God or spirit of God, BUT NO, no one is address in this manner only JESUS, why ?

Thomas and the blind man worship jesus, did jesus rebuke them ? See, you do not understand the word of God, in fact, among the muslims I've chat with, you are the most ignorant. When jesus say God is one, those is mean He is not God ? Jesus is making reference of the false gods of this world.

YES, in the prophetic office, God is greater than jesus, but in NATURE, they are equal. Let me give you example. Is muhammed buhari greater than you in office ? Yes. But in times of holiness, is buhari better than you ? I tell you the truth, if you don't know the father of jesus christ, you do not know the true God.

malvisguy212:
Can we really understand the trinity ? We can't , how can a finite being understand an infinite God ? Our responsibility is to believe what God has said about Himself.

The old testament prove the fact that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Isreal is surrounded with many nation that worship different gods. God people needed to know that there is only ONE GOD:

Deut. 6:4
"Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is ONE LORD"

This verse give two details about God. 1. The nature of God (God's ONENESS) and 2. Jehovah is the only God.The old testament emphasizing of the UNITY of God, is not silent with respect to
the PLURALITY of God's Nature. The old testament lay the groundwork for the new testament revelation.

The hebrew word for God is Elohim, plural in form."In the beginning God CREATED" (Genesis 1:1). God is the omnipotent CREATOR! The name for "God" found in Genesis 1:1 is the Hebrew word "ELOHIM" the ending of this word (..IM) is a plural ending,(more than one) just like our english language "S" is the ending word for plural. For example:

1. CHERUBIM (Exodus 25:18-20)
2. SERAPHIM (Isaiah 6:2,6)
3. TERAPHIM(judges 17:5)

The words end with IM , they are plural in form. In Genesis 1:1 the verb "CREATED" is a
SINGULAR verb, and it means "HE (singular)
CREATED." Two answers may be given to the
question, "Who created the heavens and the
earth?"
1. HE DID (singular) because the verb means
"HE CREATED." The verb does not mean
"THEY CREATED."
2. GOD DID (plural) because the word
ELOHIM is a plural word!

So, there is a sense in which God the Creator is
singular. There is only ONE God and He is the
Creator. There is no other God. It is also true
that there is a sense in which He is plural. This
brings us to our next point:

PLURAL UNITY OF GOD.
Deuteronomy 6:4 says: "Hear, O Israel: The
LORD [singular] our God [ELOHIM-plural] is ONE Lord."

God is Love, if God is two, our Love will be DIVIDED and one will not Get our full devotion. So YES, God is ONE and He deserve our Full attention.

The Hebrew word"ONE"found in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a word that can be used to describe a
plural (composite) UNITY (a unity made up of
more than one component). For Example in Genesis 11:5 "Behold, the PEOPLE IS ONE." The
people (plural) at Babel were united together as ONE. It was a UNITY, but it was made up of
many people (a plural unity).

Another example is in Genesis 2:24 where the same word "one" is found: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh." Here we have a plural unity. It is a ONENESS made up of two persons" a husband and a wife" They (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh. The two are one.

Just as Genesis 11:5 speaks of a plural unity
(many people being ONE), and just as Genesis
2:24 speaks of a plural unity (two people being
ONE), so also Deuteronomy 6:4 describes God
who is a PLURAL UNITY. Later we will learn that this plural unity is actually a TRI-UNITY.

In Isaiah 6:8 , we have a threefold
declaration of God's holiness: "And one cried
unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is
the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His
glory" (Isaiah 6:3). we learn elsewhere in Scripture, namely that 1) God the Father is Holy (John 17:11); 2) God the Son is Holy (Heb. 7:26 and compare Luke 1:35); 3) God the Holy Spirit is Holy (as His very Name declares)

In Genesis , God is repeatedly mention as the creator, and in Genesis 1:2 we saw how the Holy spirit is actively involve " was moving in the face of the water. And in john 1:1 we understand that the Word (jesus) was God and everything were created through Him.

coolhumble:
Omo ale

piagetskinner:
Pls Mr man... Do u have a better analogy? If u don't, I suggest u remain silent on this matter. Those who get where I'm driving at, already understand

dyfatai:
no be fight. learn to engage in intelligent conversations. peace

malvisguy212:
The Work of the Triune God in Salvation
1. THE FATHER
He planned our salvation (Rom. 8:28-31).
He sent His Son (1 John 4:9-10).
He gave His Son (John 3:16; Rom.8:32).
2. THE SON
He did the actual WORK of salvation (John
17:4;19:30).
He was the Great Saviour (Titus 2:13-14).
He died to provide salvation (1 Tim. 2:6).
3. THE HOLY SPIRIT
He gives the saved person a NEW LIFE (2 Cor.
3:6).
He gives the saved person a NEW BIRTH (John
3:5; Tit. 3:5).
He garnishes and makes the sinner beautiful by
placing him IN CHRIST (2 Cor. 5:17), and thus He
provides him with the beautiful garments of
redemption, sanctification and justification (1
Cor. 6:11, and see 1 Cor. 1:30).

HIbreed:
if Jesus is of the same equality with God, why did he directed all the glory.To God.Are you reading and understanding the scripture or are you dwelling on what was sucessfully passed on to you by your religious heads.
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.

John 7:16 Jesus therefore answered them and said, My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me.


Philippians 2:5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Philippians 2:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
Philippians 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
Philippians 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Can we really understand the trinity ? We can't , how can a finite being understand an infinite God ? Our responsibility is to believe what God has said about Himself.

The old testament prove the fact that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Isreal is surrounded with many nation that worship different gods. God people needed to know that there is only ONE GOD:

Deut. 6:4
"Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is ONE LORD"

This verse give two details about God. 1. The nature of God (God's ONENESS) and 2. Jehovah is the only God.The old testament emphasizing of the UNITY of God, is not silent with respect to
the PLURALITY of God's Nature. The old testament lay the groundwork for the new testament revelation.

The hebrew word for God is Elohim, plural in form."In the beginning God CREATED" (Genesis 1:1). God is the omnipotent CREATOR! The name for "God" found in Genesis 1:1 is the Hebrew word "ELOHIM" the ending of this word (..IM) is a plural ending,(more than one) just like our english language "S" is the ending word for plural. For example:

1. CHERUBIM (Exodus 25:18-20)
2. SERAPHIM (Isaiah 6:2,6)
3. TERAPHIM(judges 17:5)

The words end with IM , they are plural in form. In Genesis 1:1 the verb "CREATED" is a
SINGULAR verb, and it means "HE (singular)
CREATED." Two answers may be given to the
question, "Who created the heavens and the
earth?"
1. HE DID (singular) because the verb means
"HE CREATED." The verb does not mean
"THEY CREATED."
2. GOD DID (plural) because the word
ELOHIM is a plural word!

So, there is a sense in which God the Creator is
singular. There is only ONE God and He is the
Creator. There is no other God. It is also true
that there is a sense in which He is plural. This
brings us to our next point:

PLURAL UNITY OF GOD.
Deuteronomy 6:4 says: "Hear, O Israel: The
LORD [singular] our God [ELOHIM-plural] is ONE Lord."

God is Love, if God is two, our Love will be DIVIDED and one will not Get our full devotion. So YES, God is ONE and He deserve our Full attention.

The Hebrew word"ONE"found in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a word that can be used to describe a
plural (composite) UNITY (a unity made up of
more than one component). For Example in Genesis 11:5 "Behold, the PEOPLE IS ONE." The
people (plural) at Babel were united together as ONE. It was a UNITY, but it was made up of
many people (a plural unity).

Another example is in Genesis 2:24 where the same word "one" is found: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh." Here we have a plural unity. It is a ONENESS made up of two persons" a husband and a wife" They (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh. The two are one.

Just as Genesis 11:5 speaks of a plural unity
(many people being ONE), and just as Genesis
2:24 speaks of a plural unity (two people being
ONE), so also Deuteronomy 6:4 describes God
who is a PLURAL UNITY. Later we will learn that this plural unity is actually a TRI-UNITY.

In Isaiah 6:8 , we have a threefold
declaration of God's holiness: "And one cried
unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is
the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His
glory" (Isaiah 6:3). we learn elsewhere in Scripture, namely that 1) God the Father is Holy (John 17:11); 2) God the Son is Holy (Heb. 7:26 and compare Luke 1:35); 3) God the Holy Spirit is Holy (as His very Name declares)

In Genesis , God is repeatedly mention as the creator, and in Genesis 1:2 we saw how the Holy spirit is actively involve " was moving in the face of the water. And in john 1:1 we understand that the Word (jesus) was God and everything were created through Him.