agaugust:


You personally counted how many pirate/oil thieves vessels Nigerian navy siezed in the last 10 years?

You have personally counted how many your navy has seized over the last 10 years?

Nigeria Airforce to get new camouflage.



http://www.aitonline.tv/post-nigeria_air_force_gets_new_camouflage

President Buhari returns.

@Henry:
I thought DCD Protected Mobility and Mekahong had a JV to produce APCs in Nigeria, in the form of the Ikri - an improvement on the Springbuck. So why is Nigeria still importing the Springbuck from SA?

PIC 1: Nigerian technicians training at DCD's facility in SA;

PIC 2&3: Ikri APC;

PIC 4: Springbuck

frumentius:
@Henry:
I thought DCD Protected Mobility and Mekahong had a JV to produce APCs in Nigeria, in the form of the Ikri - an improvement on the Springbuck. So why is Nigeria still importing the Springbuck from SA?

PIC 1: Nigerian technicians training at DCD's facility in SA;

PIC 2&3: Ikri APC;

PIC 4: Springbuck

How does the Springbuck do against the RG-33? IMO it looks like a Mamba with a fancy body-kit (same applies to the RG)

patches689:


How does the Springbuck do against the RG-33? IMO it looks like a Mamba with a fancy body-kit (same applies to the RG)

I would rate them thus:
1) RG-33
2) Springbuck
3) Mamba

Of course most of these APCs have the Mamba as an inspiration. Ours are a bit long in the tooth though. I really like Osprea's Mamba MK5.

frumentius:


I would rate them thus:
1) RG-33
2) Springbuck
3) Mamba

Of course most of these APCs have the Mamba as an inspiration. Ours are a bit long in the tooth though. I really like Osprea's Mamba MK5.

What do you mean long in the tooth?

Also, am I the only one who thinks that we dont need to replace the Casspirs and Mamba/Nyala's?

- new engine
- add LCT MC turret from denel + some Y3's and enough "fiddy's" for the fleet
- basic comms upgrade

- FVCKING AIR-CONDITIONING

And bada-bing your are done! The SANDF needs to start thinking differently if we are going to address budgetary constraints.

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People to kill

patches689:


What do you mean long in the tooth?

Also, am I the only one who thinks that we dont need to replace the Casspirs and Mamba/Nyala's?

- new engine
- add LCT MC turret from denel + some Y3's and enough "fiddy's" for the fleet
- basic comms upgrade

- FVCKING AIR-CONDITIONING

And bada-bing your are done! The SANDF needs to start thinking differently if we are going to address budgetary constraints.

Seconded!!

Even by today's standards the Mamba and Casspir are decently protected against small arms fire, and still world leaders in terms of mine protection.

Also aren't we busy refurbishing 1000s of Mamba, Casspir, Samil ect ect as we speak? After all we didn't import the Cubans to do nothing!!

As you said, a small upgrade would do the trick, an add on armour package for mamba and casspir would be pretty awesome.

jln115:

Seconded!!

Even by today's standards the Mamba and Casspir are decently protected against small arms fire, and still world leaders in terms of mine protection.

Also aren't we busy refurbishing 1000s of Mamba, Casspir, Samil ect ect as we speak? After all we didn't import the Cubans to do nothing!!

As you said, a small upgrade would do the trick, an add on armour package for mamba and casspir would be pretty awesome.

Refurbishing but not upgrading - basically just pushing up the operational levels of the fleet.

With a new engine, more power could be gained... meaning more armor could be added whilst still retaining the baseline performance of the old vehicle

patches689:


Refurbishing but not upgrading - basically just pushing up the operational levels of the fleet.

With a new engine, more power could be gained... meaning more armor could be added whilst still retaining the baseline performance of the old vehicle

The Casspir, Ratel and Samil still use the old Atlantis engines as far as i remember, which are nothing more than a licence built Mercedes engine, so upgrading them to a newer Merc powerplant shouldn't be much of a problem, same with the Mamba which also use a Mercedes engine.

Just watch as america changes the narrative as the boko haram war draws to a conclusion


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/cameroon-nigeria-join-forces-to-free-boko-haram-hostages/

patches689:


Ok, so you are still talking about firepower?

What does that have to do with modernity?

Project Hoefyster started in early 2005 - making it just over 10 years old

Configuration is a question of doctrine, nothing else. Our doctrine is developed for African wars, based on African war experience... those imports are designed for Russian and Chinese wars based on their war experience

And in terms of modernity:

- 30mm CAM-GUN is the most advanced in the world
- 60mm mortar is the most advanced in the world
- MCT turret is amongst the most advanced in the world
- flat-floor mine protection is a cutting edge technology
- No other African country has BLUFOR trackers
- MATIS thermal imagers are cutting edge

Finally: BTR = 2006 (prototype)
BMP-3 = 1987
Type-07P = 2006
Badger = 2010 (prototype)

So, my statement remains correct: The Most Advanced in Africa

Stop starting arguments for the sake of it, the one you are making now does not even relate to my original post!!

so what are this chinese and russian wars we dont know about !

africaken254:
so what are this chinese and russian wars we dont know about !

Designed for their usage and their doctrine

Which in both cases is an obsession with Deep Operations as characterized by Clausewitz's Center of Gravity

South Africa employs the concept of the War of Movement as characterized by Hart's Indirect Approach.

patches689:


What do you mean long in the tooth?

Also, am I the only one who thinks that we dont need to replace the Casspirs and Mamba/Nyala's?

- new engine
- add LCT MC turret from denel + some Y3's and enough "fiddy's" for the fleet
- basic comms upgrade

- FVCKING AIR-CONDITIONING

And bada-bing your are done! The SANDF needs to start thinking differently if we are going to address budgetary constraints.

Don't get me wrong; I'm in support of retaining both the Casspir and the Mamba. I do think though, that we should transition to the latest versions. Both still serve us well for our current needs but as soon as the budget allows...

Interestingly, from chats with Recce Supply Unit acquaintances re a protected mobility complement for the Hornet, after all the vehicles they've tested from all over the world, their top 2 choices - all things considered and applying same criteria - remain these homegrown products:

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frumentius:
@Henry:
I thought DCD Protected Mobility and Mekahong had a JV to produce APCs in Nigeria, in the form of the Ikri - an improvement on the Springbuck. So why is Nigeria still importing the Springbuck from SA?

PIC 1: Nigerian technicians training at DCD's facility in SA;

PIC 2&3: Ikri APC;

PIC 4: Springbuck

We all read the same report. At 'Armoured Vehicles West-Africa conference', the J.V was reiterated, with 9 MRAPs built on the J.V handed over to the Nigerian police in Abuja. The remaining 45 were supposed to the built by Mekahog.


I probably think, the guys who made the report on Springbuck APC's most likely made a mistake. Since we don't currently have a dedicated defence news portal in Nigeria, we most likely would not be able to get follow-on stories when defence related announcements are made.


I don't see why projects like the IKRI and Proforce would be abandoned, as the government provides loans at 5% interest rate, including 5 years tax waivers to industrialist in Nigeria.

frumentius:
@Henry:
I thought DCD Protected Mobility and Mekahong had a JV to produce APCs in Nigeria, in the form of the Ikri - an improvement on the Springbuck. So why is Nigeria still importing the Springbuck from SA?

PIC 1: Nigerian technicians training at DCD's facility in SA;

PIC 2&3: Ikri APC;

PIC 4: Springbuck

The Nigerian government, at Federal level is pushing hard to make sure than Infantry mobility is localised. It would be retarrded for Ikri to abandon local production of the Ikri.

frumentius:


Don't get me wrong; I'm in support of retaining both the Casspir and the Mamba. I do think though, that we should transition to the latest versions. Both still serve us well for our current needs but as soon as the budget allows...

Interestingly, from chats with Recce Supply Unit acquaintances re a protected mobility complement for the Hornet, after all the vehicles they've tested from all over the world, their top 2 choices - all things considered and applying same criteria - remain these homegrown products:

So why where we having arguments over this last year?



Do you have any close up photos of your hornet, and the MG position, isn't it a little forward for it's gunner. Your gunners need to stretch to use their 50 CALs.

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Henry240:


So why where we having arguments over this last year?



Do you have any close up photos of your hornet, and the MG position, isn't it a little forward for it's gunner. Your gunners need to stretch to use their 50 CALs.

nope

Zambia Z-9 Helicopter

patches689:


nope

The gunner doesn't look comfortable. That's the problem i have with the Hornet.

Henry240:

The gunner doesn't look comfortable. That's the problem i have with the Hornet.

He is "saluting" and pushing it to an awkward angle in order to gain maximum depression to the right while staying as upright as possible

So yeah, you would have to stretch if you wanted to machinegun a passing cat while standing to attention

Look closely and you can see a grove removed in the roof that extends right to the base of the monopod.

TL;DR: Looking for problems where none exist

patches689:


He is "saluting" and pushing it to an awkward angle in order to gain maximum depression to the right while staying as upright as possible

So yeah, you would have to stretch if you wanted to machinegun a passing cat while standing to attention

Look closely and you can see a grove removed in the roof that extends right to the base of the monopod.

TL;DR: Looking for problems where none exist

The problem i have with you is, you always come into a discussion feeling insecure, like there's an ulterior motive or a hidden agenda. "Who told you", i made the follow-on comment just to be seen as been right?


There really is no point, i'll let you be.

Nigeria

Henry240:


We all read the same report. At 'Armoured Vehicles West-Africa conference', the J.V was reiterated, with 9 MRAPs built on the J.V handed over to the Nigerian police in Abuja. The remaining 45 were supposed to the built by Mekahog.


I probably think, the guys who made the report on Springbuck APC's most likely made a mistake. Since we don't currently have a dedicated defence news portal in Nigeria, we most likely would not be able to get follow-on stories when defence related announcements are made.


I don't see why projects like the IKRI and Proforce would be abandoned, as the government provides loans at 5% interest rate, including 5 years tax waivers to industrialist in Nigeria.

The Nigerian government, at Federal level is pushing hard to make sure than Infantry mobility is localised. It would be retarrded for Ikri to abandon local production of the Ikri.

Accurate records kept in SA re arms exports and imports, regardless of the recipient's opacity. I've asked around, and the answer will please neither you, me nor any other African who favours greater transparent and accountable intra-continental trade.

It seems that certain states in Nigeria didn't want to deal with the JV because of their antipathy towards Mekahong. But because their police forces preferred the product, officials in charge manufactured reasons to bypass the upgrade (Ikri) and buy the base vehicle (Springbuck).
A damn shame!

Zambia K-8 two-seat intermediate jet trainer and light attack aircraft

zambia Z-9 and K-8'S

Henry240:


The problem i have with you is, you always come into a discussion feeling insecure, like there's an ulterior motive or a hidden agenda.


There really is no point, i'll let you be.

The problem I have with you is that you dont do your homework before passing opinions around.

Literally took me 30 seconds to find a picture that showed that the gunner can easily access the weapon.

And how do you respond? By posting a poorly sourced one in a vain attempt to defend your opinion, despite me just showing you to have been mistaken.

And then, when I am again forced to show you the error in your ways - you insult me!

Learn to control your emotions.

frumentius:




Accurate records kept in SA re arms exports and imports, regardless of the recipient's opacity. I've asked around, and the answer will please neither you, me nor any other African who favours greater transparent and accountable intra-continental trade.

It seems that certain states in Nigeria didn't want to deal with the JV because of their antipathy towards Mekahong. But because their police forces preferred the product, officials in charge manufactured reasons to bypass the upgrade (Ikri) and buy the base vehicle (Springbuck).
A damn shame!

Mekahog is a PDP affiliated defence company, as we are all aware, the PDP lost and the APC are now in power. It was always going to be an issue, however i felt, jobs, should have overridden party affiliation.


The contract to supply 50 Ikri APCs, is a Federal government contract, not the states. However, going forward with proper lobbying, a decent agreement could be reached. Like i've previously stated, just like the previous government, this government favours localisation. It probably isn't all doom for the Ikri yet.