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LEGALAide:
pack one side jare.
Who be this one?
We've trashed that stuff before.
Read previous comments.
No vex me o Mr. Pastor.

LEGALAide:
TO TITHE OR NOT TO TITHE: WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

Tithe: A tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes.

MALACHI 3:10 (New International Version):
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it".

Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing.
In some churches tithing is over-emphasized at the expense of giving to the needy.
Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple
- see Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5.
In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent.
Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.


NOTE: Tithes were awarded to the Levites for their priestly service because they would not receive land in Canaan see: Num 18:19-21.
They, too, gave a tenth of what they received (v. 26).

Donation of a tenth portion, or tithe, was common apparently because most peoples counted in tens, based on ten fingers.

Tithing first appeared in the Bible when Abraham gave one-tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek, the priest-king of Salem see: Gen 14:18-20.
The writer of Hebrews presumed that tithes were paid to a higher authority and inferred that there was a greater priesthood than Aaron's see: Hebrews 7:4 Hebrews 7:9.

GENESIS 14:8-12:
The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah (Plus their allies) fought a battle against king Chedorlaomer king of Elam (plus his allies). Chedorlaomer king of Elam and his allies won the battle and took all the food supply and other goods from Sodom. They also took Lot, Abram's nephew, and his possessions and departed, for he (Lot) was living in Sodom.


GENESIS 14:9-17:
The incident was reported to Abram and he took 318 of his trained servants and defeated Chedorlaomer king of Elam. Abram brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative, Lot, with his possessions, and also the women, and the people.


GENESIS 14:18-20:
After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer, Abram was met by Melchizedek king of Salem and a Canaanite priest of God Most High, refreshing them with bread and wine and he blessed Abram. The blessing was given to Abram, a very important fact to remember. In response, Abram gave one-tenth (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram DID NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices in the new covenant.


GENESIS 14:21-24:
The king of Sodom offered to give Abram all the goods of Sodom that were recovered for himself, but Abram refused, taking not one single item, to give honor to Yahweh, lest people say this pagan king of Sodom made him rich. This is a very important point, because Abram took NO INCOME and the tithe he gave to Melchizedek did not come from his goods, but those of the Sodomites and 1/10 of Lot’s recovered goods.


CONCLUSION:
If Abram’s aforementioned encounter is used by clergy men to justify the practice of tithing from one’s gross income, then they are justifying Christians paying 10% of goods and money they do not own!
Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has been robbed and recover the stolen goods.
For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church.
This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing.

The modern practice of church tithing is not supported by the teachings of scripture.
Church tithing began in the late nineteenth century when a Wesleyan Church in Cincinnati hosted multiple fund-raising events to erase its enormous debt.Fledgling on the brink of bankruptcy and devoid of options, a layman came up with the idea of, “storehouse tithing.”
It was an instant success and soon the news spread like wildfire throughout Christendom and the practice of storehouse tithing caught on.
At the time, it seemed the answer to the debts and financial woes of churches whose church members gave indiscriminately.

Today storehouse tithing is a deep-rooted tradition that is promoted on a regular basis by clergy men that misuse the context of Malachi 3:8-11.
Pastors insist that every church member is obliged (as a matter of righteousness) to pay 10% of his or her gross income.
In addition to the tithe that church members give, most churches teach that a, “freewill offering,” over and above the 10% tithe should be given to again to the church or any charitable cause, with the stipulation that his or her “local church” is always to receive the “tithe.”

The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” -see 1 Corinthians 16:2. Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving.
We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give -see James 1:5. Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ.
“Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver”- see 2 Corinthians 9:7.

Nowhere does the New Testament require Christians to tithe in the sense of giving 10 percent, but it does reiterate many things associated with tithing:
those who minister are entitled to receive support - see 1 Cor 9:14;
the poor and needy should be cared for- see 1 Cor 16:1; Gal 2:10;
those who give can trust God, as the source of all that is given- see 2 Cor 9:10,
to supply their needs -see 2 Cor 9:8; Php 4:19;
and giving should be done joyously- see 2 Cor 9:7.

Paul's vocabulary and teaching suggest that giving is voluntary and that there is no set percentage. Following the example of Christ, who gave even his life ( 2 Cor 8:9), we should cheerfully give as much as we have decided ( 2 Cor 9:7) based on how much the Lord has prospered us ( 1 Cor 16:2), knowing that we reap in proportion to what we sow ( 2 Cor 9:6) and that we will ultimately give account for our deeds ( Rom 14:12).

The New Testament directs that taxes be paid to the state- see Rom 13:6-7, which replaced Israel's theocracy.
In the days of Abraham and his contemporaries, there was no tax system. Society was largely theocratic. Tithes therefore, were next to modern day taxes. Jesus is seen in Matthew 17:24-27 asking Peter to pay their taxes.
Matthew 17:24:
When Jesus and the others arrived in Capernaum, the collectors for the temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the temple tax?”

25 “Yes, he does,” Peter answered.
After they had returned home, Jesus went up to Peter and asked him, “Simon, what do you think? Do the kings of this earth collect taxes and fees from their own people or from foreigners?”

26 Peter answered, “From foreigners.”
Jesus replied, “Then their own people don’t have to pay.
27 But we don’t want to cause trouble. So go cast a line into the lake and pull out the first fish you hook. Open its mouth, and you will find a coin. Use it to, pay your taxes and mine.”
Nowhere did we find Jesus speaking about tithe. This is because the essence of tithing, which is anchored in the law, is giving from one's abundance. Jesus came to fulfill the law. He therefore gave, not from His abundance, but His all - His life.
Christians today are called to look beyond ordinary tithing, submitting their lifes to God!
That is the perfect tithe.

WHY DON'T WE READ ABOUT THE TITHE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?

Jesus actually called his followers to a standard of giving that went far beyond the tithe. He called us to give up everything and follow Him. The early Christians were able to do this. However, as the Church expanded throughout the world, its followers needed to be reminded that generous giving is a hallmark of the Judeo-Christian tradition. The Church Council of Macon in 585 A.D. ordered payment of tithes. In the 8th century, Charlemagne made tithing to the Church a civil law. The Council of Trent (1545-1563) also reiterated the call to tithe.

“Tell the rich in the present age not to be proud and not to rely on so uncertain a thing as wealth but rather on God, who richly provides us with all things for our enjoyment. Tell them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, ready to share, thus accumulating as treasure a good foundation for the future, so as to win the life that is true life.” -1 Timothy 6:17-19
A New Testament teaching on giving which may be helpful to you is found in 1 Corinthians 16:2:
“On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” This passage brings out four points: we should give individually, regularly, methodically, and proportionately.
The matter of your giving is between you and God, and He always takes into account our circumstances. He knows when they are beyond our power to direct and control. The important thing is that we see giving (not just to the church, nay a pastor) as a privilege and not a burden. It should not be out of a sense of duty, rather out of love for the Lord and a desire to see His kingdom advanced.

- O.S. EMEJULU Esq.

Manueleee:
Tithe is something many dont understand. Sumtimes i laf d way sum young guys give dia tithe. Sum will b gving 500 evry sunday. For me, i prefair to give it onec a month base on my salary.
Mal 3:10 is always effective to any christain dat pays his tithe. I rember wen my salary was 12k evry month my tithe should b 1200. So i d next month i made a prayer holdin my tithe. Askin God for increase of salary, so i gave 1500 as tithe. After dat tithe dat sunday, not upto 3days my salary was increased to 15k. Since dat day, i stop joking wit my tithe.

Chukazu:
what are you talking?

are you trashing that those saying is not in the Bible or you trashing that they are not what he quoted, so what are you trashing?

you want the verse read in your "mother tongue" before you grasp it?

sbm4real:
Christ made a reference to tithing in Mat 23:23. He said to the Pharisees that they should not ignore tithing but that mercy, justice and faithfulness are more important. I think that is a clear indication that Christ did not abolish it.

Abraham was the first to pay tithe and He paid it before the law was ever given. This suggests that tithing is a biblical principle that predates the law. It is just like saying the union between a man and woman predates the law.

Abraham gave to Melchizedek whom the bible refers to as a King without beginning and end and the bible also compares him to Christ is Hebrews. As such, tithe was first paid to God by Abraham.

While Pastors have abused tithing, it remains a valid principle. Giving tithe is not an investment that is supposed to bring you returns, we give to God because we love Him. Pastors say if you don't give it, God will curse the remaining 90%- this is a lie from the pit of hell. We give out of trust that the remaining 90% will be more than enough.

Lastly, the work of God requires a lot of money and giving tithes is an important part of that.

If you don't trust your pastor with your tithe, you shouldn't be such a church. Our monies are important to us and that is why Christ would equate serving God and money!

LEGALAide:
IT'S A SHAME YOU'RE A CHURCH GOER ALREADY!

ddippset:
you be pastor abi? Op wan knock ya hussle abi? No worry, e nor go work!

LEGALAide:
WELL, EVEN THOUGH I THOUGHT MY DIGNITY SHOULDN'T GO INTO REPLYING YOU, NOW LISTEN UP.
FIRST UNDERSTAND THAT TITHING ISN'T THE ONLY WAY ONE PLANTS.
LET'S ASSUME YOU'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT, UNDERSTAND ALSO THE PEOPLE THINK THAT GOD IS A SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
Do you think Bill Gates tithes?
You're even pathetic.
Seems reverend king is your pastor too.
God has established the principles of wealth.
If you wish just empty your account into your pastor's.
Your business though.
I give not by compulsion.
Giving isn't only when you give in the church.
But your pastors make you believe that if you give in the church you're giving to God directly.
If you give to the needy outside the church it goes to nothing.
Too many greedy people populating Christianity.

Even atheists get rich.
God does not bless people just because they give.
He's way too rich for that!

LEGALAide:
LOLZ.
Please read my post.
Stop talking from behind your head.

fairheven:
@OP peace be upon you,for picking the scriptures that suits you just to deceive the gullible.

Jesus supported tithing in new testament.

"Woe to you pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass justice and the love of God. This (justice and love of God) you ought to have done without leaving the other (which is tithing)undone " luke 11:42

Wonder why your eyes never read that potion

Tallesty1:
Tithing is a christianized Yahoo Yahoo business. Simple.


A pastor who owns lands, schools and fleet of cars will ask someone earning below the minimum wage to bring 10% of his salary so that God will bless him and the Educated idiot will do it.

If eventually he gets salary increase he will say it is because he tithed, how about none tithers and unbelievers that are most times the boss?

Jesus is now the high priest and where there's a change in priesthood, there's equally a change in the law. The law of tithing passed away when the law of feeding the hungry, the poor, helping the needy, widows etc was established.

I don't serve a broke god that needs to invest 10% of my money in what I don't even know and then give me whatever he gains.

I serve a living God who meets all my needs according his riches in glory by Christ.

fairheven:
Ki

As to whether Bill Gates pays tithe?

Go and read up about bill Gates before mentioning him.
The very title that bill Gates gives his operating system,"windows" are a product of tithing.

It's a fulfilment of God's Word in malachi that he would open the "windows" of heaven to pore out blessings and bill Gates payed tithes and believed God and God fulfilled his promise. That is the of all the "windows" 95, window 97 and so on.

Maybe we should ask you if paying tithe is a sin.?
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aaronson:
Money making scheme.

As an atheist, this is how I easily detect the scam in religion.
Anytime an evangelical brethren comes to me to invite me to their church, I tell them this.

Yes I would come to your church for one of these options.

If I come we would share the collected offering and tithe for that day.

OR

As long as I'm present in the church no collection of offering,tithe whatsoever payment. Pick one?

They usually stay speechless and just leave in shame, I 'd just laugh.

osothermal:
OP you are very wrong read the word of God very well and stop deceiving children of God. You said tithing is an old testament thing? Children of God mattew 23 from vs 23 Jesus criticizing the religious leaders calling them hypocrites that they are careful to TITHE even the tiniest income but ignore the more important teaching of justice,mercy and faith. Jesus said "You should TITHE yes, but don't neglect the more important things. My dear read ur Bible very well and let it guide you .
I AM A TITHER and its working for me

LEGALAide:
I once went to a church and to my surprise, members were holding their tithes up in the air!
I realized that why they pay their tithes isn't because they love God, but because they can't stand seeing that other Lady or guy giving their tithes without giving theirs.
It'll be a thing of shame.
And that's the only reason they tithe.
This same person won't understand it when I tell him to give 10% or more of his salary to a beggar!
Never.
I wish to stop here.
Need not say more.

demoore1:
With this mentality you have, below is what you will see at the judgment day

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

LEGALAide:
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE PASTORS LIKE REVEREND KING.
Because people should throw away their senses when it's a spiritual affair.
What a shame!

1stCitizen:
For years as a Christian I was decieved by the devil about tithing like the OP

The devil does this by making you question how the tithe is used.I used to believe it was an old testament mandate.

Even without paying tithes things were going ok for me and I was doing well and used to console myself that I am still blessed without paying tithe.....until God opened my eyes to the devil's deceit. I saw that Christ even acknowledged it's importance.

When I started paying in full obedience I could not believe the way I leapfrogged from one level to a higher one. Favour became more abundant to me beyond my comprehension . I was like wow....why did I not obey before now.

Tallesty1:
Tithing is a christianized Yahoo Yahoo business. Simple.


A pastor who owns lands, schools and fleet of cars will ask someone earning below the minimum wage to bring 10% of his salary so that God will bless him and the Educated idiot will do it.

If eventually he gets salary increase he will say it is because he tithed, how about none tithers and unbelievers that are most times the boss?

Jesus is now the high priest and where there's a change in priesthood, there's equally a change in the law. The law of tithing passed away when the law of feeding the hungry, the poor, helping the needy, widows etc was established.

I don't serve a broke god that needs to invest 10% of my money in what I don't even know and then give me whatever he gains.

I serve a living God who meets all my needs according his riches in glory by Christ.

LEGALAide:
Without a doubt it's in the Bible.
The same way the words "is", "when" and "was" are all in the Bible!
Just the same way!

LEGALAide:
Your comment is belated though.
That point has been cut-and-dried.

fairheven:
Hi

Were you quoted doesn't expunge where I quoted, so your point doesn't stand

It say concerning tithes...

WOE UNTO YOU PHARISEES! FOR YOU TITHE MINT AND RUE AND ALL MANNER OF HERBS, AND PASS JUSTICE AND THE LOVE OF GOD, THIS YOU OUGHT TO HAVE DONE WITHOUT LEAVING THE (TITHING) UNDONE -LUKE 11 :42

IF YOU CAN'T COUNTER IT, THEN YOU HAVE NO POINT BRO

WiseBully:
After going through most of your replies to folks here, I found out you've got an overblown pomposity, unwillingness to accommodate different views and a grape tongue. Reasoning with you is an act of self contempt.