agaugust:


And? What about the regular driving and crashing of Ratel IFVs killing SANDF soldiers at home without war starting yet?

Your army cannot drive its armoured vehicles or trucks at home, same way you cannot maintain them until Cuban army mechanics came to your rescue. Your army engineers cannot rig-fasten a tank securely on a truck.

SANDF air defence guns, your army cannot operate safely, your anti-aircraft guns lose control and massacre Southie soldiers.

South African army CANNOT move armoured vehicles from point A to point B in peacetime, you will be worse in a war situation.

SANDF is incmpetent, your army chief was in Abuja stylishly begging Nigeria for military training exchange programmes, he wants Nigerian army to teach South African army :

1. How special forces can kill 3 Shekaus in 3 years, both the original Shekau and his clones.

2. How to defeat terrorists and crush an insurgency.

3. How to do German Army style Blitzkreig and liberate 45 towns in 45 days on a battle space bigger than Belgium, creating 45 new grave-yards full of enemy dead bodies.

4. How to deploy a full size army of infantry + armour + artillery combined composite forces, with African Napoleon class officers in command and not the meagre brigade level that SANDF is limited to for the past 70 years.

5. How to reduce terrorists fighting force from about 40,000 armed insurgents to about 2,000 in 12 months by inflicting heavy battle casualties on the enemy.

6. How to set up army air aviation wing of armed helicopters flown by army pilots.

7. How to drive over 1,000 armoured vehicles around a whole country without sommersaulting in broad daylight....

Buddy i know you are bored and all after Beegeagle stopped blogging......but please, this is ridicules, even by your standards!!

Should i bring up all NAF accidents, then claim your pilots cant fly?

agaugust:

1. How special forces can kill 3 Shekaus in 3 years, both the original Shekau and his clones.

So either your army is so usless they killed the same guy 3 times

Or Boko Haram has cloning tech?

Are you now telling us Boko Haram can clone people? Last year you told us they had black magic powers

You stu.pid K.u.n.t

patches689:
Why are you guys bothering with this troll?

He is sitting here telling us the SANDF cannot fight because a truck lost its load.

Meanwhile, rag tag militia in toyota bakkies pushed the whole 20 000 men of NA out of 45 towns and cities and carved out an empire the size of Belgium, despite the NA having artillery/IFV's/MRLS/MBT's/LAV's/Attack helicopters/fighter aircraft... and Nigeria was only able to take them back with the help of South African Mercenaries, Cameroun and Chad.

The same military that has 50% of its fleet NON-OPERATIONAL, sailors who cannot swim, only had 7 aircraft operational, useless Radar, only 60 rounds of ammunition per man (40 year old ammunition at that), men who have to buy their own uniforms/food/medical supplies, mass desertions, mass war-crimes and an ENTIRE BATTALION that defected to Cameroun

And a defence industry who's biggest boast is the Igiriri... a LICENCE PRODUCTION of an Streit MRAP

This thread has been over for a long, long time.

Your South African army of incompetent mörons was in Abuja to stylishly beg Nigerian army to transfer our war experience via exchange programme with your redundant inexperienced sleep at home army that has been snoring in bed for 25 years without seeing real war, they even forgot how to drive a simple army truck !

jln115:

Buddy i know you are bored and all after Beegeagle stopped blogging......but please, this is ridicules, even by your standards!!

Should i bring up all NAF accidents, then claim your pilots cant fly?

They crashed their Navys flagship 8 times.

8 TIMES!!

And they manage to crash an F-7 or Alpha jet every 12 months or so

agaugust:


Your South African army of incompetent mörons was in Abuja to stylishly beg Nigerian army to transfer our war experience via exchange programme with your redundant inexperienced sleep at home army that has been snoring in bed for 25 years without seeing real war, they even forgot how to drive a simple army truck !

So we used black magic to transport these trucks?

This fuckwittery must stop.

jln115:

Buddy i know you are bored and all after Beegeagle stopped blogging......but please, this is ridicules, even by your standards!!

Should i bring up all NAF accidents, then claim your pilots cant fly?

Should I bring up SAAF accidents? All SAAF aircraft accidents happen in peacetime without even seeing any war yet.

agaugust:


Should I bring up SAAF accidents? All SAAF aircraft accidents happen in peacetime without even seeing any war yet.

And? Almost all of them were small planes, at least none of our C130s crashed!!

patches689:


They crashed their Navys flagship 8 times.

8 TIMES!!

And they manage to crash an F-7 or Alpha jet every 12 months or so

Nope, not 8 times, Aradu had ONLY TWO accidents and survived, currently undergoing mid-life refit to return to service this 2016.

No Nigerian navy accident led to loss of the ship.

Where is South African navy's flagship frigate SAS Kruger ? ? ?

Your SAN navy mörons crashed a supply ship into your best frigate and SANK IT in broad daylight

Let me not go into SAAF crashes of Rooivalk, AW 109, Dakota, Cessna, etc. You have not even flown 3,000 air combat sorties in 6 months like NAF, if you try that, SAAF will have no aircraft left alive !

patches689:


They crashed their Navys flagship 8 times.

8 TIMES!!

And they manage to crash an F-7 or Alpha jet every 12 months or so

Fokkit!!!! 8 times?? guess that means they cant sail or pilot planes according to agaugust!!

jln115:

And? Almost all of them were small planes, at least none of our C130s crashed!!

An Alpha jet is a small plane only about 14 metres long.

Dakota MPAs are small planes? SAAF crashes big aircraft. SAAF C-130 crashed too, just lucky to have survived.

agaugust:


Nope, not 8 times, Aradu had ONLY TWO accidents and survived, currently undergoing mid-life refit to return to service this 2016.

No Nigerian navy accident led to loss of the ship.

Where is South African navy's flagship frigate SAS Kruger ? ? ?

Your SAN navy mörons crashed a supply ship into your best frigate and SANK IT in broad daylight

Let me not go into SAAF crashes of Rooivalk, AW 109, Dakota, Cessna, etc. You have not even flown 3,000 air combat sorties in 6 months like NAF, if you try that, SAAF will have no aircraft left alive !

Just 1 NAF crash = more fatalities than SAAF has suffered in the entire 23 year bush war!!

patches689:


So we used black magic to transport these trucks?

This fuckwittery must stop.

Thats a photo of parked stationary trucks, they are not moving. Fool !

jln115:

Just 1 NAF crash = more fatalities than SAAF has suffered in the entire 23 year bush war!!

Did SAAF fly a fully loaded C-130 into Angola in bush war? Mumu.

agaugust:


An Alpha jet is a small plane only about 14 metres long.

Dakota MPAs are small planes? SAAF crashes big aircraft. SAAF C-130 crashed too, just lucky to have survived.

SAAF is one of only a handful of airforces in the world not to have lost a C130 due to incident or to be shot down!!

agaugust:


Did SAAF fly a fully loaded C-130 into Angola in bush war? Mumu.

Yes, 1 was attacked by a mig 23 and was hit by a missile and still survived!!

agaugust:


Thats a photo of parked stationary trucks, they are not moving. Fool !

So they were just built there in that field, and never driven?

patches689:
Why are you guys bothering with this troll?

He is sitting here telling us the SANDF cannot fight because a truck lost its load.


This thread has been over for a long, long time.

This thread is over because South Africans got disgraced by :

1. Mokopa missile that missed easy target

2. MTN paying billions of dollars fine to Nigeria by force

The humiliation was too much for all South Africans' crüshed national pride to endure
.

jln115:

Yes, 1 was attacked by a mig 23 and was hit by a missile and still survived!!

citation needed, and show us proof it carried full load of 92 passengers

jln115:

SAAF is one of only a handful of airforces in the world not to have lost a C130 due to incident or to be shot down!!

SAAF C-130 crash landed but survived because it was during airport landing on a safe clear runway, but you crashed it, thats the point.

NAF C-130 crash was not a fault of the pilot, it was heavily over-loaded with 158 passengers instead of standard 92 passengers....it could not even climb to altitude. Pilot was good, flight booking admin was bad to have over loaded it.

agaugust:
citation needed, and show us proof it carried full load of 92 passengers

You said fully loaded? You said nothing about passengers, secondly the plane made a safe landing. Thus even if it had 92 passengers it would've survived.

agaugust:


SAAF C-130 crash landed but survived because it was during airport landing on a safe clear runway, but you crashed it, thats the point.

NAF C-130 crash was not a fault of the pilot, it was heavily over-loaded with 158 passengers instead of standard 92 passengers....it could not even climb to altitude. Pilot was good, flight booking admin was bad to have over loaded it.

Uhm.... emergency landing and a crash are 2 entirely different thing

No saaf c130 has ever crashed.

Also thanks for confirming you have shitty load masters....also it is the final responsibility of the pilot to ensure an aircraft is safe to fly....which he didn't thus you have shitty pilots as well.

jln115:

You said fully loaded? You said nothing about passengers, secondly the plane made a safe landing. Thus even if it had 92 passengers it would've survived.

Citation needed
.

agaugust:


Citation needed
.

For what?

jln115:

For what?

Citation for your claim below

jln115:


Saaf C-130 in Angola in bush war. Yes, 1 was attacked by a mig 23 and was hit by a missile and still survived!!

jln115:

Uhm.... emergency landing and a crash are 2 entirely different thing

No saaf c130 has ever crashed.

Who told you it was emergency landing?

SAAF C-130 crashed. Simple fact.

http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

.....and leave air forces and navies out of a discussion about army vehicle drivers, you fools cannot compare like with like, land with land, not land with air....half illiterate Southies.

Nigerian army drove trucks, IFVs, APCs, T-72 tanks, etc from South sea port Apapa Lagos for over 1,000 km to North desert Maiduguri on tough roads, no single accident in war time. South African army CANNOT drive armoured vehicles on very good roads from point A to point B in peace time....your army of mörons cannot fight a war.

Compare the two photos

agaugust:


Who told you it was emergency landing?

SAAF C-130 crashed. Simple fact.

http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

.....and leave air forces and navies out of a discussion about army vehicle drivers, you fools cannot compare like with like, land with land, not land with air....half illiterate Southies.

Nigerian army drove trucks, IFVs, APCs, T-72 tanks, etc from South sea port Apapa Lagos for over 1,000 km to North desert Maiduguri on tough roads, no single accident in war time. South African army CANNOT drive armoured vehicles on very good roads from point A to point B in peace time....your army of mörons cannot fight a war.

Compare the two photos

Dude?? Really?? where in your source does it say it crashed?? Also it doesn't even have a date of the so called mishap or accident?? Clutching at straws as usual!! The fact is(If my memory serves right) we are one of only 2 air forces in the world that has never lost a c130 due to incidents or shot down!

Also love how you just move the goal post when it suits you....now all of a sudden we cant compare air forces and navies.....tell me Agugubugu how come an accident in your Air force which cost the lives of 200 due to Pilot error is ok, but when one of our trucks carrying an old Olifant mk1(which would've most likely have been Rooivalk target practice) has an accident on a motorway were accidents happen daily is a problem?

jln115:

Dude?? Really?? where in your source does it say it crashed?? Also it doesn't even have a date of the so called mishap or accident?? Clutching at straws as usual!! The fact is(If my memory serves right) we are one of only 2 air forces in the world that has never lost a c130 due to incidents or shot down!

Also love how you just move the goal post when it suits you....now all of a sudden we cant compare air forces and navies.....tell me Agugubugu how come an accident in your Air force which cost the lives of 200 due to Pilot error is ok, but when one of our trucks carrying an old Olifant mk1(which would've most likely have been Rooivalk target practice) has an accident on a motorway were accidents happen daily is a problem?

Source clearly says on the master list of C-130 crashes worldwide, that SAAF C-130 crashed on landing, stop lying it can cost you something someday like it cost MTN.

http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

Crash is crash, whether mishap or accident, call it any name, it is a crash. Simple.

Its not 200 people, stop inflating figures deliberately like a serial liar. It was 158 people and mostly civilians getting illegal free flight on NAF C-130.

NAF C-130 crash is no pilots error, it was a crime committed by boarding administrators who put their friends on free ride in the air.

NAF C-130 crash was NOT on a military operation or assignment. Just some free riders flying without paying for it. A few military officers too were there.

Pilots error was ruled out by final investigation reports and why wont it crash with 60% over-load above manufacturers load limit? 158 passengers on a 95 passenger plane.

The SANDF truck was carrying normal load, one tank, normal load it is meant to carry according to your own countrys sources.

Mandela turned Botha's fine intelligent army into a zombie dullards force called SANDF, that cannot move armoured vehicles or drive them from point A to point B, many Ratel IFVs too have crashed and kïlled SANDF soldiers in peace time at home, zombie army that cannot fight a war, cant move equipment around battle theatre, see their Olifant tanks exposed äss in Kwazulu Natal

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agaugust:


Source clearly says on the master list of C-130 crashes worldwide, that SAAF C-130 crashed on landing, stop lying it can cost you something someday like it cost MTN.

http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

Crash is crash, whether mishap or accident, call it any name, it is a crash. Simple.

Its not 200 people, stop inflating figures deliberately like a serial liar. It was 158 people and mostly civilians getting illegal free flight on NAF C-130.

NAF C-130 crash is no pilots error, it was a crime committed by boarding administrators who put their friends on free ride in the air.

NAF C-130 crash was NOT on a military operation or assignment. Just some free riders flying without paying for it. A few military officers too were there.

Pilots error was ruled out by final investigation reports and why wont it crash with 60% over-load above manufacturers load limit? 158 passengers on a 95 passenger plane.

The SANDF truck was carrying normal load, one tank, normal load it is meant to carry according to your own countrys sources.

Mandela turned Botha's fine intelligent army into a zombie dullards force called SANDF, that cannot move armoured vehicles or drive them from point A to point B, many Ratel IFVs too have crashed and kïlled SANDF soldiers in peace time at home, zombie army that cannot fight a war, cant move equipment around battle theatre, see their Olifant tanks exposed äss in Kwazulu Natal

.

Buddy your source says it only suffered a damaged wheel during landing.....does a damaged wheel= a crash? "Damaged nose wheel on landing"
http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

secondly its the pilots responsibility to ensure his plane is safe to fly....that's why they have pre-flight checks.....this accident also proves that not only were these pilots inept but also the load masters. BTW according to sources 150 passengers were Officers in your Defence Force + 8 foreign nationals.

NAF Pilots cant fly from point A to B and NN sailors cant sail from point A-B.

agaugust:


Citation for your claim below

From Fledgling to Eagle: The South African Air Force During the Border War

By Dick Lord

https://books.google.co.za/books?id=jD9BuPH5LUQC&pg=PA377&lpg=PA377&dq=saaf+c130+april+1986&source=bl&ots=nC8GhPDMyG&sig=2edhykUl3PIA54iHh36KUq4kzlw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj22Y_OmN3LAhUKVhoKHTPNDKIQ6AEIMzAD#v=onepage&q&f=false

jln115:


Buddy your source says it only suffered a damaged wheel during landing.....does a damaged wheel= a crash? "Damaged nose wheel on landing"
http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

secondly its the pilots responsibility to ensure his plane is safe to fly....that's why they have pre-flight checks.....this accident also proves that not only were these pilots inept but also the load masters. BTW according to sources 150 passengers were Officers in your Defence Force + 8 foreign nationals.

NAF Pilots cant fly from point A to B and NN sailors cant sail from point A-B.

Is it south Africans that have been flying our planes. Your pilots even crashed an helicopter will chasing poachers carring light guns. What do you think will happen when they face boko haram carrying AAA guns.

iblawi:


Is it south Africans that have been flying our planes. Your pilots even crashed an helicopter will chasing poachers carring light guns. What do you think will happen when they face boko haram carrying AAA guns.

When did we crash one of our helicopters while chasing poachers??

Citation needed....and also post the description of what happened according to your source.

jln115:


From Fledgling to Eagle: The South African Air Force During the Border War

By Dick Lord

https://books.google.co.za/books?id=jD9BuPH5LUQC&pg=PA377&lpg=PA377&dq=saaf+c130+april+1986&source=bl&ots=nC8GhPDMyG&sig=2edhykUl3PIA54iHh36KUq4kzlw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj22Y_OmN3LAhUKVhoKHTPNDKIQ6AEIMzAD#v=onepage&q&f=false

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