₦airaland Forum

Kog45:
I voted for APC bcs I believe Pdp are not doing enough but with the current trend in APC I don't think I w vote for d party come 2019 unless things change for d better bcs Nigerians are groan in pain of economy hardships.I don't know Timi Frank but d man said somethings we should deliberate on but most people in their opinions are attacking this man.My first question is this,did Timi lie on d points he raised or he his talking jargons.The political history of APC attested to d point he raised.If anyone here saying saraki did not contribute to the emergency of APC as a leading party in Nigeria then we are not sincere.The guy single handedly led ameachi and other Governors to decamp to APC.Also led other senators to decamp to APC and raised a very serious allegation on oil subsidy. When he was doing this against his party then,the APC supporters did not call it betrayal but as a Senate President he must be dealt with for going against d party consensus candidate.Another question I need to ask,is saraki trial is on corruption or political persecutions.If saraki trial is on corruption and found guilty then he can rot in jail but Tinubu was charged with d same crime but d same judge handling saraki case set Tinubu free.This is an area I smell persecutions for going against d party order and if eventually saraki is jail then it w not serves as good example to fraudulent people bcs it is political persecutions.It is a pity that Saraki w not survive this bcs d gang against him are not d masses but d selected fews like Tinubu,el rufai,lai mohammed,prof itse sagay,akande and marafa led group in d house who believe that emergence of saraki has led to d disruption of 2019 political calculations which is not for d masses like me and u but for their selfish interest.Back to your question that Saraki's downfall w not have any effect on APC,well let's wait and see how things w unfolds bcs I can tell u that the 5 Governors that decamped to APC broke and shattered Pdp govt.

Are you saying a man with skeleton in his cupboard should be number 3 position of a country trying to fight corruption?.

Why do we hate this country, how can we progress if you are trying to cover the crime because is a Senate president mind you if Saraki is convicted is a boost to Buhari government locally and internationally because we are know for corruption.

learning and collaboration are impossible in a culture that does not prioritize mutual respect

LegatusGlaber:
What is good for the goose is also good for the gander; if they set Tinubu free, why can't they set Saraki free?

The hypocrisy of APC members and it's hierarchy is nauseating.

Hypocrisy chanter, was it APC that set Tinubu free?

Being in opposition shouldn't make someone daft.

abimic:
I would have said u gave him the best response but in addition, all Men are born equal, but In reality, we're not all equal in enjoying nature. That tinubu was left off the hook doesn't serve as a yardstick that all others must go too. Simplistically, Saraki shot himself in the foot when he went against his party directives and still was becoming a hard nut to Crack later on unlike dogara.

Any which way the trial ends, apc is the loser! Thieves chasing thieves!

[quote author=LegatusGlaber post=44114284]A lot of men with shady characters are left to walk cos they are loyal to the APC. If Saraki had not gone against the wishes of the party on the SP thingy, he will still be seen as a hero. His prosecution is as its ill timed as its politically motivated, simple.

somehow, they will get a soft landing for him, and the masses will be the loser still[/quote

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You may be right about other shady characters being loyal to the APC. They seem to be wise enough to realise that they can't afford to be disloyal with their evil baggages unlike Bukoĺa who despite his well publicised evil deeds chose to be disloyal, assisted PDP to rebound against his own party for personal gain and still want to retain a very visible position that is supposed to be held by very decent and loyal party members. If APC allows Saraki to be its symbol (as the head of law makers), despite being seen by the public as a law breaker, the anti-corruption fight will be dead on arrival. His singular interest should not override that of the majority.

tomakint:
This Mr Frank is not "frank" at all! Just because he loves Saraki as a person should not be used as the basis of argument and it is people like him that are making Saraki's case knotty. The evil Saraki did alone in Kwara State as Governor and still doing now are enough to stone him. Yet, this mumu is trying so hard to sell a "bad product" like Saraki. Why is this Saraki bribing people to "rebrand" him before Nigerians and the World, instead of him going to CCT to prove his innocence.

The trial of Saraki is one-sided, we all that saraki committed blunder as governor of kwara state then they should be persecuted based on the corruption charges aganist him as kwara governor and not hidding behind CCB form declaration .

lastpage:
Mr. Timi frank is saying:
1.) because Saraki is an APC member, he should not be allowed to face trial at CCT!
2.) Because Tinubu and some Governors were not jailed over similar matter (in those days when Stealing IS NOT kwarruption nii) of false declaration of Assets, Saraki should also be allowed to "take a bow"!
3.) that Saraki should be allowed to come before the tribunal and say "Let me just amend the lies l wrote on that Sworn Asset Declaration"..... na "wee-wee" joor!
4.) President Buhari, who was voted-in on a promise of zero-tolerance for Kwarruption, should assist Saraki to evade Justice!

You see, people like this Mr. Timi Frank, are worse than Armed Robbers because even Armed robbers blame the Devil because they know what they did is wrong but Mr. Timi Frank (funny name sef! ) is blaming Nigerians for not carrying placard and supporting criminality!

If l say make l swear for this Mr. Timi Frank, im no go see Easter Monday but we are in a season of 'goodness' so l wont.

BTW: Saraki did all he did for APC back them, for his own SELFISH AMBITION....... not because he loves PC or anyone, but himself!
Anyone who can behave the way Saraki did, deserves no mercy at all.
Saraki sabotage PDP, crossed over to APC, then turned around to sabotage APC!
He is a despicable thing not worthy of mention.....and to think he is still banging the gavel and asking "ays to the right, Nays to the left" in the Senate?


If Saraki gets away with this impunity, then we are in for a very long phuck!
Insult upon injury.



Lastpage!

I don't understand Nigerians, are they saying Saraki should be free?, that is a complete dent in Buhari anti corruption. Nobody including me we believe baba again, when he promise us is for everybody and for nobody.

chichriso:
i dnt think u opened your textbook while in school, if u attended any

opened and read ar two different words. So wic one ar u goin fr to polish ur ryt up?

staymore:
Saraki don enter one chance na d summary

make i hear something. Pesin wey even im pple fr villa wan make him b tried, some dudes ar calling it witch hunt. Anyhw.

What is dis Mr frank saying. We didn't say he didn't help the party. D party hav helped him too. But we said he is also corrupt. So d party should beg for him to be freed ba? Bunch of criminals. Where is my pap jare.

snailspeed:
Maybe God is making them destroy themselves for the good of Nigerians

Saraki's fall will split APC and that will be good for all. APC is a fraud

APC or Nigeria, what consign me with APC I only want a better country.

maupe:
Mr Timi Frank, has always held views which run in contrast to the general consensus of the APC hierarchy. So, it's not a strange story. But, to be fair, if the FG doesn't handle this CCT trail intellectually, it could end up leading to their end

I agree with you, but APC Will not collapse only some disgruntled elements will relocate elsewhere. if Saraki goes PMB will not make that huge mistake he made of not showing interest on the composition of the national assembly leadership. for those with clairvoyant minds already new this would happen due to the various interest groups that formed the party. Timi Frank represents Atiku Abubakar's camp. he was a former personal assistant to Atiku and he was part of those who planned saraki's coup.

Frank is a fool n idiot n idiotic, who is Saraki do u no hw many innocent souls dis so called Saraki has killed in kwara State...
.....Frank u are idiot n mumu mumu mumu

1stdammy:
Hmmm, nice one!! I like ur sense of reasoning. But i wanna ask, what as suddenly happen to that part of the CCT Act which allow it to invite the accused person to explain any discripancies or admitt the errors in the form that was stongly adhere to in the past which is now being ignored/waved aside When as that part of the CCT Act gone missing The same Act that was acknowledge by the same judge and not a different CCT/CCB for that matter Why not follow/acknowledge that same Act now and see what comes out of it. If this man is guilty, fine let him b jailed!!! And if he's not he shud b set freeee!!!!. Why didn't we follow the law to the letter and let it take it full course?? NOTE: I am not a member of or loyalist to any political party or any fucking politician.

The only answer to your questions is that old things have passed away.... The atmosphere of corruption of the then ruling PDP allowed Tinubu to escape but I tell you, it may not have been so with a character like Buhari in power. Has it not occurred to you that that provision is an escape route for politicians? Why should someone who has sworn under oath to declare his assets truthfully be invited after he has been caught lying to come and cover the lies. Meanwhile, the judge has admitted Tinubu's release was in error. The question now is should he willingly commit another error by releasing Saraki even as it's obvious that he is unclean.

[quote author=lastpage post=44115765]Mr. Timi frank is saying:
1.) because Saraki is an APC member, he should not be allowed to face trial at CCT!
2.) Because Tinubu and some Governors were not jailed over similar matter (in those days when Stealing IS NOT kwarruption nii) of false declaration of Assets, Saraki should also be allowed to "take a bow"!
3.) that Saraki should be allowed to come before the tribunal and say "Let me just amend the lies l wrote on that Sworn Asset Declaration"..... na "wee-wee" joor!
4.) President Buhari, who was voted-in on a promise of zero-tolerance for Kwarruption, should assist Saraki to evade Justice!

You see, people like this Mr. Timi Frank, are worse than Armed Robbers because even Armed robbers blame the Devil because they know what they did is wrong but Mr. Timi Frank (funny name sef! ) is blaming Nigerians for not carrying placard and supporting criminality!

If l say make l swear for this Mr. Timi Frank, im no go see Easter Monday but we are in a season of 'goodness' so l woPC or anyone, but himself![/b]
Anyone who can behave the way Saraki did, deserves no mercy at all
..bros thanks fr d summary. Bt help me ask Timi Frank dis questions.

1. Were was he wen saraki disobeyed d party orders?

2. Afta making himself no. 3 thief, d party said, ok,. Appoint these pple of our choice as majority leader, etc. Yet him no comply

3. Is Dogara foolish to hav accepted to appoint Femi Gba... As majority leader? As d party wished.

Since he, saraki proved stubbornness, d party is nt willing to wade into his ordeal. Peace.

I am enjoying what is happening. Since APC leaders were not there when he quietly stole kwarans money while in office, then he should quietly face the music and party leaders should quietly watch him dance to the music. As the law applies to PDP yam eaters let it also takes effect on APC looters using Bukola's case as a basis for anti-corruption crusade. Enjoying the trial of political robbers...

Ayennah:
little wonder why John Odigie said its hard to find replacement for lai muhammed, people like frank are not ment to hold leadership position because he lacks conceptual skill. For your information, saraki won election in kwara because of buhari and not the other way. If he is sure of himself, let him go to another party and see his true worth. Kwarans are hungry and very angry, justice must be served.

Thanks a million! It's only those in Kwara that know this fact. APC won in Kwara because of Buhari, not because of Bukola. A good percentage of Kwarans want Bukola to be punished for his misrule of the state.

Ijaya123:
Hypocrisy chanter, was it APC that set Tinubu free?
Being in opposition shouldn't make someone daft.

Is it that time of the month?

LegatusGlaber:
Is it that time of the month?

Dumb question.

LegatusGlaber:
What is good for the goose is also good for the gander; if they set Tinubu free, why can't they set Saraki free?

The hypocrisy of APC members and it's hierarchy is nauseating.

God bless you for this unbiased thoughts of Urs. A precedent has been set which must be followed, Tinubu is no different from saraki.

DeLaRue:
As a party APC seems fundamentally flawed. I have come late to agree, but it is only a matter of time before it collapses.

How else can one explain this Mr Frank, a deputy national publicity secretary repeatedly issuing his own personal/unofficial press release castigating the leadership of his party as and when he pleases.

At the start of the Senate leadership election saga, when the party, including the ineffectual party leader Mr Oyegun, were trying to find a solution, out of nowhere this same Mr Frank issued a press release where he attacked Tinubu, a major leader of his party for no apparent reason.

There is no other party in the world where a senior party official is allowed to keep his job with these sort of outbursts. He can certainly criticize like any other citizen, but he cant do that whilst retaining his job. Even PDP at its worst wld not have allowed this sort of thing.

Mr Oyegun is supposed to be calling this man to order . Infact he should be facing disciplinary procedure to explain his unofficial outbursts. But Mr Oyegun is so weak and ineffectual, it is unbelievable.

They can't not call him to order cause they know he speaks the truth. This is a conspiracy by APC against APC. Who r we fooling? Even PDP is laffing at them.

However the case I believe APC will learn the hard way. U don't not settle cheap scores at the expense of national issues. When they loose the senate presidency to PDP they will know this was their worst mistake ever. Watch! Even OBJ can never let this happen cos he see the big picture bt TINUBU won't learn.

All these are just shows. Saraki will be cleared because apc knows if they try him, he will sink the party. A man who has nothing to loose is more dangerous. When he is found guilty, he will have nothing to loose then.

PhockPhockMan:
The deputy National Publicity Secretary of the All Progressives Congress, APC, Timi Frank, has described the continued trial of the Senate President, Bukola Saraki, at the Code of Conduct Tribunal, CCT, as “worrisome”, saying there were flaws in the processes leading to the arraignment.
Mr. Frank said in a statement on Friday that it was dangerous that the leadership of the APC “chose to sit on the fence and watch Mr. Saraki swim or sink in his trial”.
“I sincerely hold that the current trial of Saraki is not only underserved, but amounts to paying a good man with evil. I also want to say that the leaders of our great party have unfortunately remained quiet in the face of evil.
“I don’t believe we have forgotten that the victory of the APC during the last general elections could not have been possible without courageous strategists like Saraki who lent their political weight in favour of the APC at the risk of their own lives and personal survival,” Mr. Frank said.
“I don’t think we have forgotten how Saraki as a Senator in the 7th Senate brought the attention of Nigerians to the fraud perpetrated by the the last administration in the name of fuel subsidy.
“I don’t think we have forgotten so soon how Saraki led five other governors of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) into the APC – a development that successfully turned the political tide against the PDP and eventually tipped the electoral scale against them during the 2015 general elections.
“I don’t think we have forgotten how Saraki led scores of Senators to cross over to the APC on the floor of the Senate.
“I don’t think we have also forgotten what he gave of his time, personal resources and energy to ensure that the APC emerged victorious both at the National, State and Local Government level,” he said.
Mr. Saraki is facing a 13-count charge of alleged false declaration of assets.
On Thursday, the Code of Conduct Tribunal rejected Mr. Saraki’s argument that the case against him was flawed, and ordered the trial to continue.
Mr. Frank wondered how the case of Mr. Saraki was being treated differently at the CCT, which in 2011 struck out the case against one of the national leaders of the party “because he was not given the opportunity to deny or admit the alleged discrepancies in his asset declaration forms in line with Section 3(d) of the CCB/CCT Act unlike 11 other ex-governors who had similar cases of irregularities whose cases were dropped by the CCB after they were invited by the agency”.
“For the avoidance of doubt, Section 3(d) of the CCB/CCT Act which has been so undermined by the CCT in its Thursday ruling states that the CCB shall: ‘Receive complaints about non-compliance with or breach of this Act and where the Bureau (not the AGF or EFCC) considers it necessary to do so, refer such complaints to the Code of Conduct Tribunal established by Section 20 of this Act in accordance with the provisions of Sections 20 to 25 of this Act: provided that where the concerned makes a written admission of such breach or non-compliance, no reference to the Tribunal shall be necessary'”.

Mr. Frank said it was pertinent to mention that when the particular section of the Act was pleaded in the defence of one of the leaders of the defunct Action Congress of Nigeria in 2011, the same chairman of the tribunal, Justice Danlandi Umar struck out the case for lack of jurisdiction to entertain the suit when he ruled that “…On Section 3(d), I feel compelled by the argument of the learned SAN for the accused. It is a condition precedent for referring a charge to this Tribunal that the Accused ought to have been invited to either deny or admit the allegations against him. This is missing in this case as the Complainant has no such evidence of a prior invitation. It would be proper for me at this stage to simply decline further exercise of jurisdiction having held that the co diction precedent to the instituting of charges against the Accused has not been complied with. I hereby resolve this issue in favour of the Accused…”
He added: “It is based on the above precedent that I want to ask why Saraki’s case is different? Why is the judiciary suddenly giving in to apparent blackmail from a section of the media by refusing to do their job as required by law?
“Already the Senate President has told the world that the trial has nothing to do with corruption but that he is being persecuted for emerging as the Senate President. To me the ominous silence of our leaders since the day he was arraigned uphill now serves to validate the claims of the Senate President that he is being persecuted.
“Or where else in the world will the number three citizen of a country be hurled before a tribunal over alleged irregularities in his asset declaration forms 13 years ago, and the hierarchy of the ruling to which he is a bonafide member will not come out to show solidarity or defend him?
“If it is true that the trial of the Senate President is not borne out of genuine desire yo fight corruption but is being carried out for selfish political ends, then who is next?
“I think the party need to be courageous enough to speak out against this unwholesome trend whose outcome will definitely not augur well for the overall development of our party and by extension the country at this hour.
“Even the holy scriptures admonish us not to muzzle the (ox) that thresh the corn. Saraki has paid his dues at a time it was suicidal for anybody to stand up against to the then ruling PDP. I believe it is time for all of us to act to save our party. It is time to rally round our generals who have fought valiantly and led us to victory. To abandon Saraki is to abandon a worthy comrade,” he said.



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Oga pls, don't tell us what we know , everybody knows that Saraki is corrupt .I did not vote Buhari nor Jonathan because i did not believed that APC campaign for corruption is true because of a corrupt people like Saraki that were in the party.

Thank God he spornsoring his doom and his ilorin alfas failed to deliver him. Saraki punishment is from God not his party

God realy want to free kwarans from Sarakis boundage and you are there saying trash

LegatusGlaber:
Crap! I am afraid you ve been brainwashed beyond redemption brother. #noOffence

And you think you are controlling your own brain when wrote that, tinubu was freed during pdp rule so while blame apc.

nuttiesayo:
God bless you for this unbiased thoughts of Urs. A precedent has been set which must be followed, Tinubu is no different from saraki.

Thank you sis. Rational thought is rare these days sis. And believe it or not, a lot Sai Buhari chanters are afraid to admit he has fallen far below their expectations.

Thus they turn their inner disappointment to anger against anyone who is courageous enough to say it as it is.

Like someone said in one thread, may this country not be destroyed by those who claim to love it.

infohenry:
And you think you are controlling your own brain when wrote that, tinubu was freed during pdp rule so while blame apc.

We are done Henry, happy easter in advance

He has done dis n dat for APC thus he should go free of any crime against him ba NOT to mention d silly assumption of TINUBU who also is a member of APC as a case study for Saraki to be freed.....
WHETHER SARAKI'S CASE IS A FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION OR A PERSECUTION IS A PROBLEM FOR APC TO DEAL WITH
I KEEP SAYING THAT APC FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION IS MEANT FOR THOSE AGAINST EM "BELIEVE IT OR NOT"
SARAKI IS SENSING DOOM AS HE HAS BEEN RUNNING FROM PILLAR TO POST ALL IN A BID TO QUASH HIS TRIAL BUT IT'S TO NO AVAIL
....... JUST AS RIGHTLY POINTED OUT EVEN HIS PARTY ELDERS ARE NOT BEHIND HIM....... OOOOOPPPZZZZ PELE O

My concern is the sanity of the system, saraki is not hang yet, what is going on now is a normal process where he is supposed to go without bothering the peace of others and clear his name. Anybody who feels that saraki is clean should go and queue up at the tribunal and produce those proves in evidence. laws are made for everyone and against everyone.

mideactive:
Apc party leaders should not loose guard.saraki is a triator n 'w'l always remain a traitor,dat's wat he is.he must go,he's a danger 2 change...

There r ways of dealing with a traitor, u don't shot ur self in d foot just because u are in a hurry to purnish a traitor or else the wound u also sustain may become an affliction dat may consume u urself. See how obj handled atiku dats wisdom. Not dis armature/skol boy politics APC and TINUBU are playing here

WELL SAID..BUT THEN AGAIN THE APPOINTMENT OF PRINCIPAL OFFICERS RESTS IN THE POWERS OF THE SENATE AND NOT OUTSIDE FORCES LIKE PARTY DIRECTIVES[quote author=Fmartin post=44118998][/quote]

GBAM..THAT ARROGANT AND OVERRATED TINUBU NEVER LEARNS

jaxxy:
They can't not call him to order cause they know he speaks the truth. This is a conspiracy by APC against APC. Who r we fooling? Even PDP is laffing at them.

However the case I believe APC will learn the hard way. U don't not settle cheap scores at the expense of national issues. When they loose the senate presidency to PDP they will know this was their worst mistake ever. Watch! Even OBJ can never let this happen cos he see the big picture bt TINUBU won't learn.

LegatusGlaber:
We are done Henry, happy easter in advance

Wishing you the a wonderful holidays, you too much. Cheerss