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RuuDie:
They were having this discussion on ESPN during the Germany - England friendly... with Vardy, Kane, Welbeck, Sturridge, Sterling Alli, Barkley and co. do they still need Rooney!? If he makes the team, should he just bench for these guys?

Should anyone even still be asking this question?? What English national team needs is young boys who are hungry for success and ready to fight for it. Not fat old men who just come to collect their pensions and feel they should be in the team coz they are the team's all time highest goal scorer. Its no surprise England started to play well and breezed thru the qualifiers after the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Terry left the team. England/United dont need Rooney no more. He's had his chance. At worst, he can still captain the team from the bench. Its time to allow the young boys in the team to step up....

dubylhover:
right from d inception of this season,I told someone that I feel for Roy hogson,I said come end of season,he'd b faced with a Rooney dilemma,any ardent follower of Rooney and manu,wud know that Rooney has been in decline for d past 3 seasons,....yes he might score one or two spectacular goals,might defend,but d Rooney we know has finished...even when Kane was having drought beginning of d season,I knew he'd come good..now with vardy also,that was an unforseen variable,it would b an enigma to football if Kane or vardy doesn't start as d top 9,leaving Rooney with d no 10 position...alli and Barkely are perfectly more suited for that role than Rooney...so once again,I feel sorry for hodson,cos any decision he makes concerning Rooney would attract backlash from d fans....

So because they won without Rooney, they suddenly don't need him?

Rooney scored and provided an assist in their 2-0 win over France. Rooney and Dele Ali were the two best players of the match.

Rooney was their greatest threat when they he and Kane led the line against Italy. Kane was anonymous while Buffon was the hero saving from Rooney twice and the woodwork stopped another from Rooney.

Rooney is their lead scorer in the qualifier. Also the lead scorer in their last three qualifiers to major tournaments.

England scored two goals in the world cup, Rooney provided one and scored the other. He was dropped in the last match but Sturbridge, Sterling and co didn't look like scoring even if the match was extended for several more hours.

Rooney became captain of England and they won 10-10 for the first time in qualifiers. England has only lost one match since Summer 2014 when he became captain.

Against Slovania, England were down late on, Rooney took the ball and went past two men in the box, then he was brought down. He scored the equalizer and England eventually won. He also had a good game in the friendly against Scotland scoring twice in their 3-2 win.

Anyone following England knows that Rooney deserves to start over anyone in the attack. Sterling is another deserving starter. Welbeck was on fire before his injury.

Vardy and Kane might show inconsistency when the real stuff starts. As we saw against Italy when Kane was lost. I heard too he was not in the game yesterday until late on.

elampiro:
Anyone following England knows that Rooney deserves to start over anyone in the attack. Sterling is another deserving starter. Welbeck was on fire before his injury.

u and this ur advocacy for rooney sef
when will u finally understand d fact that rooney is no more d effective player he used to be?
the only reason for his persisitent usage is because of the records dat r so close to be broken by him.....
u can never be a coach because u dont criticize any player u love.


Rooney is past it..even he too knows himself

if England start with Rooney and they are disgrace out......fans Will say na ROY fault for choosing a player that is finish instead of young ones





if England start without Rooney and they are disgrace out...... fans will say the team lack leadership and a player with experience like Rooney should be in d team to argue with ref



anyway... na their problem


Spain back to back#

lekkie073:
u and this ur advocacy for rooney sef
when will u finally understand d fact that rooney is no more d effective player he used to be?
the only reason for his persisitent usage is because of the records dat r so close to be broken by him.....
u can never be a coach because u dont criticize any player u love.


Rooney is past it..even he too knows himself

I will assume you aren't following England matches, so I can excuse your ignorance. Rooney for England and Rooney for Manchester United are two different persons.

Why do you think the journalist quickly came out to say despite the result over Germany, Rooney deserves to start. These same journalist wanted him to be dropped in the world cup matches.

If he is finished, how was he able to shine against France in a star studded match, had a good against Italy. Scored two against Scotland with a good performance.

Two years back he scored in two legs against Brazil. Scored in England, and then a great solo goal in Brazil to help England draw the match 1-1.

Stories that touch. England dont need Rooney!!!

AdeLaNa1:
Stories that touch. England dont need Rooney!!!

Hater!

England cannot do without Rooney. The coach and journalist know it. The fans following know that.

elampiro:
Hater!

England cannot do without Rooney. The coach and journalist know it. The fans following know that.

But Wait oo...

It's an open secret that you love pace, power and speed.

Rooney no longer possesses these qualities - he's slower than a pregnant snail and now lacks the endurance and stamina he once had.

Elampiro - why are you still obsessed with Rooney??

elampiro:
I will assume you aren't following England matches, so I can excuse your ignorance. Rooney for England and Rooney for Manchester United are two different persons.

Why do you think the journalist quickly came out to say despite the result over Germany, Rooney deserves to start. These same journalist wanted him to be dropped in the world cup matches.

If he is finished, how was he able to shine against France in a star studded match, had a good against Italy. Scored two against Scotland with a good performance.

Two years back he scored in two legs against Brazil. Scored in England, and then a great solo goal in Brazil to help England draw the match 1-1.

Rooney is Rooney whether in an England jersey or Eyimba jersey.
Dafuq Rooney shine against a 'star studded' FRIENDLY match ......

He scored against brazil.....in a FRIENDLY match.....


plssssss......stop this nonsense

Dadehmola:
But Wait oo...

It's an open secret that you love pace, power and speed.

Rooney no longer possesses these qualities - he's slower than a pregnant snail and now lacks the endurance and stamina he once had.

Elampiro - why are you still obsessed with Rooney??

Reason this: England has lost only one game since Rooney became captain. That was the game Rooney didn't start.

If you watched Rooney in England you would commend the way he and Sterling have destroyed everything on their way.

Na today we dey see more pacing and power players than Rooney? Carol, Defoe, Bent, to list a few, have all been more pacing and powering than Rooney. Vardy scored one back hill, Kane scored from a turn and so what!

lekkie073:
Rooney is Rooney whether in an England jersey or Eyimba jersey.

The way Rooney played before his injury scoring and assiting in every match for United has been the way he has been a playing for England. Even when he was struggling in United, the English press agreed that his form in England was different.

lekkie073:
Dafuq Rooney shine against a 'star studded' FRIENDLY match ......

He scored against brazil.....in a FRIENDLY match.....


plssssss......stop this nonsense

Where did Vardy and Kane scored? In a tournament?

Sturridge will do better than Kane and Vardy if he can get match rythm.

Did you people just start watching England today? Have I not been saying this England team is very good and different? But because Rooney missed this match, his haters are quickly out of their holes to claim the team sudenely discovered form.

Where una dey since? I follow England matches a lot. I missed yesterday's game because of Easter rush.

This was Rooney against France. Many reports said without his experience, the match would be deadlock. I saw the match live, and I agreed. He made use of his sense well in taking good positions, making good control, and picking clever passes. He sometimes traveled with the ball, but his best contributions came from his build up play in the final third.

elampiro:
So because they won without Rooney, they suddenly don't need him?

Rooney scored and provided an assist in their 2-0 win over France. Rooney and Dele Ali were the two best players of the match.

Rooney was their greatest threat when they he and Kane led the line against Italy. Kane was anonymous while Buffon was the hero saving from Rooney twice and the woodwork stopped another from Rooney.

Rooney is their lead scorer in the qualifier. Also the lead scorer in their last three qualifiers to major tournaments.

England scored two goals in the world cup, Rooney provided one and scored the other. He was dropped in the last match but Sturbridge, Sterling and co didn't look like scoring even if the match was extended for several more hours.

bro,I'm talking about generally..y wouldnt he b their top scorer in qualifiers? he plays as their top 9 and plays penalty...has Kane started up to 15 matches for england? besides you said Rooney has scored 2 world cup goals,abeg is it premiership world cup or FIFA world cup? d fact presently is that Rooney isn't as good as Kane or vardy in d top 9 position...leaving him d no 10 position,which I think alli and barkeley are better suited for that position....its a general knowledge that based on this seasons performance,Rooney shoudnt for england,cos they have better players....

elampiro:
Where did Vardy and Kane scored? In a tournament?

Sturridge will do better than Kane and Vardy if he can get match rythm.

when things r not improving, reformation is necessary.......
Rooney is experienced but not effective again....

dat fella defending Rooney blindly doesn't want to b realistic...since 2004,Rooney has flopped in all competitions for d country side,but yet he's their all time top scorer courtesy of friendlies and qualifiers...currently is Rooney close to Kane? d modern day football that encourages quick transition,can Rooney give you that? anyways I'm happy i don't support English national team cos I know that hodgson would still start him,thereby holding another player back....even xavi is his old age wud offer Spain more currently than what roo wud offer England..but d English are so blinded by sentiments that they don't actually see what would help them

dubylhover:
bro,I'm talking about generally..y wouldnt he b their top scorer in qualifiers? he plays as their top 9 and plays penalty...has Kane started up to 15 matches for england? besides you said Rooney has scored 2 world cup goals,abeg is it premiership world cup or FIFA world cup? d fact presently is that Rooney isn't as good as Kane or vardy in d top 9 position...leaving him d no 10 position,which I think alli and barkeley are better suited for that position....its a general knowledge that based on this seasons performance,Rooney shoudnt for england,cos they have better players....

Rooney and Kane played as two strikers against Italy. While Rooney was lively, Kane was anonymous.

Forget about penalties. Rooney has not scored many. And his penalties are mostly against weak sides. He had goals from mostly open play against big oppositions.

Rooney average about one goal per match which is about same as Kane. And Rooney mostly play behind another striker or one of two strikers. Even when Rooney was playing behind Sturridge, he scored more goals than Sturridge without penalties.

lekkie073:
when things r not improving, reformation is necessary.......
Rooney is experienced but not effective again....

Rooney is not effective again? You certainly don't watch England matches. Even Liverpool fans would generally not tall like this.

2 goals against Scotland in 3-2 away win. One goal and one Assist against France plus a MOTM performance in 2-0 over France. Went past two Slovania defenders easily before being down on the box to win an equalizer in a difficult game.

All these are recent matches. Even against Italy.

Make I enter kitchen go chop...Una don carry Rooney matter come again abi?...


#iHateInternationalBreaks

dubylhover:
dat fella defending Rooney blindly doesn't want to b realistic...since 2004,Rooney has flopped in all competitions for d country side,but yet he's their all time top scorer courtesy of friendlies and qualifiers...

Are quailifiers not important matches? For your information, Rooney has less friendly goals than the other England top scorers including Charlton.

Again apart from Charton, which other England top scorer has won trophies? Even CR7 might end trophyless based on the side he finds himself. CR7 also has far more goals in quailifiers and friendlies.

dubylhover:
currently is Rooney close to Kane? d modern day football that the quick transition,can Rooney give you that?

You don't watch England matches. Rooney was very fast against France and Scotland. Against Italy, Kane's speed went to waste.

But we keep hearing football is faster, yet Rooney outlived Defoe and Bent who have almost Olympic sprinting speed.

dubylhover:
anyways I'm happy i don't support English national team cos I know that hodgson would still start him,thereby holding another player back....even xavi is his old age wud offer Spain more currently than what roo wud offer England..but d English are so blinded by sentiments that they don't actually see what would help them

We don't need you to support England. You are already a supporter only out of sentiments. England won one match without Rooney we sudenely saw you, busying your body.

How would you have a good analysis when you don't watch their matches? As I said, England has only lost one match since summer 2014, the one Rooney was rested.

How come we didn't see you when Rooney helped England to win 90% of their matches and lost 0%?

Since Rooney came on board he had helped England to qualify for all world cups and Euro, mostly winning their groups and not needing to go though play off. The only Euro England missed was the one Rooney was injured and not available to play the final match in Wembley. A star studed English team lost to Croatian in Wembley.

oga elampiro,i can neva support English national team oo..a team that doesnt learn from mistakes? fyi im a german supporter thats y tho dey lost,i was impressed with england,their quick pay and transition was good...after d gerrad lampard disaster,they are faced with d rooney own...for long england hasn't gotten a tactician and its killing em..

dubylhover:
oga elampiro,i can neva support English national team oo..a team that doesnt learn from mistakes? fyi im a german supporter thats y tho dey lost,i was impressed with england,their quick pay and transition was good...after d gerrad lampard disaster,they are faced with d rooney own...for long england hasn't gotten a tactician and its killing em..

I am a fan and supporter of the Three Lions. This their current team is good. But this is not the first time England has won in Germany. I was already many years into supporting them when a young English side shocked the world and won 5-1 in Germany in 2002 world cup qualifying match.

This team is trying and Rooney was among first to say it immediately after they crash out in world cup in Brazil. He said the team is different and has many talents.

There is still a long way to go. Even some players might get injured before the tournament, particularly the young ones trying to impress badly. Some might not show consistency in the remaining friendlies. I am sure they still have about four before the tournament.

elampiro:
Hater!

England cannot do without Rooney. The coach and journalist know it. The fans following know that.

This is not true. You might follow English football very well but you can't be much ahead of the English folks themselves and in their popular opinion, Rooney doesn't deserve to start. This is one poll for example and i think while Rooney might still be a good player overall, there are just better alternatives to him in whatever position he could occupy who are in better form or would have had a better season than him and knowing he hasn't played in months due to an injury.

Never mind though, i believe he'd just walk straight into the team regardless so you have no worries. It's more worrying that there are those who think England would go very far in the Euros, it seems they've learn nothing from the past.

elampiro:
I am a fan and supporter of the Three Lions. This their current team is good. But this is not the first time England has won in Germany. I was already many years into supporting them when a young English side shocked the world and won 5-1 in Germany in 2002 world cup qualifying match.

This team is trying and Rooney was among first to say it immediately after they crash out in world cup in Brazil. He said the team is different and has many talents.

There is still a long way to go. Even some players might get injured before the tournament, particularly the young ones trying to impress badly. Some might not show consistency in the remaining friendlies. I am sure they still have about four before the tournament.

wish you and d three lions luck oo..

I don't understand how Rooney will start with a Vardy, Kane, Alli, berkley and Welbeck fit for england.

Playing Rooney out of sentiments will kill england.

codedguy1:
LvG needs to leave, even if he wins all his remaining games. His style of play is just irritating after spending over 260M in 2seasons.

City practically threw Pellegrini under a bus with the Pep announcement. What if by some miracle city fall of the CL spot in the BPL and get to the CL final against Bayern. What will PeP do?

Why don't you start by naming the players he signed for the alleged 250 mil?

Kagawa10:
Why don't you start by naming the players he signed for the alleged 250 mil?

Bastian, depay, Morgan, Rojo, Blind, Dmaria, falcao, Herrera, Damian, luke.

Check their cost on d internet.

codedguy1:
Bastian, depay, Morgan, Rojo, Blind, Dmaria, falcao, Herrera, Damian, luke.

Check their cost on d internet.

Herrera and Shaw weren't his signing. And the club almost recouped the amount Dimaria got signed. Falcao was loaned, not signed.
That leaves Bastian, Rojo, Morgan, Blind, Darmian, Depay who all came for few dough except maybe Depay and Morgan who were around 25 mil.

Kagawa10:
Herrera and Shaw weren't his signing. And the club almost recouped the amount Dimaria got signed. Falcao was loaned, not signed.
That leaves Bastian, Rojo, Morgan, Blind, Darmian, Depay who all came for few dough except maybe Depay and Morgan who were around 25 mil.

Guy lets note argue too much, these players were brought him for oga LvG to use and monies were expended on them. My real issue with him is his style of play after spending what ever amount.The lackadaisical, non chalant attitude of the team is what is actually irritating me thats why i said even if he wins all his remaining games he should still leave.

when we win games these days we just thank God we got the 3points despite the despicable display which has been regular and what we aint used to. the only effective thing the team does is passing sideways and backwards.

And the guy is a dinasaur who does not seem to be able to change. Imaging people comparing a CL winner with Moyes.

He shud just go abeg.

codedguy1:
Guy lets note argue too much, these players were brought him for oga LvG to use and monies were expended on them. My real issue with him is his style of play after spending what ever amount.The lackadaisical, non chalant attitude of the team is what is actually irritating me thats why i said even if he wins all his remaining games he should still leave.

when we win games these days we just thank God we got the 3points despite the despicable display which has been regular and what we aint used to. the only effective thing the team does is passing sideways and backwards.

And the guy is a dinasaur who does not seem to be able to change. Imaging people comparing a CL winner with Moyes.

He shud just go abeg.

The players are obviously not good enough.
Is it his fault that Carrick (one of the team's influential player last season) has added another year to his age and as a result has become tortoise in the midfield? Or his fault for the inconsistency of Rooney?
How is it the coach's fault that Young, our instrumental player last season has become ridden with injury since the season began and his supposed replacement, Depay has shown nothing to prove he can cut it in the top league?
Is it his fault that the likes of Herrera becomes turn overs machine as soon he's under pressure from high pressing opposition team? Or Mata who's been shit for 4 yrs running, starting from his last stint at Chelsea.
Basically, the team has no one other than Schneiderlin to deputise for Carrick however, Morgan has refused to do well in the holding role apart from when deployed as a box-box midfielder.
As a matter of fact, I found out that majority of Schneiderlin's best performance has been alongside Carrick/Schweinsteger who operates as the holding midfielder while he acts as the box-box midfielder. The Arsenal game for example, where the likes of Ozil, Ramsey et al were too lazy to press our midfield of Herrera-Schneiderlin thereby resulting into large space for them to operate still had Schneiderlin looking average in the holding midfield role. It was even worse against a high pressing Watford team who gave our midfield a hard chase resulting into many turnovers and we had God to thank that Watford failed to capitalise on the turnovers.
Schneiderlin is by no means a poor player but he's not cut out for the holding role and sadly, we have no one except him to deputise for Carrick. Just look at his performance stats on http://whoscored.com, you will notice that his best games were with either Carrick or Schweinsteiger who operated as the holding midfielders. Let's not even go far, the city game is an example.
I'm still of the belief that the squad is where the fault lies, not the coach's system. Basically, the team has no capable creative midfield to support and create for the likes of Rashford, Martial and Lingard yet these aforementioned players hasn't looked out of place in LVG's system. They've been vibrant, agile and look threatening in most games even with few chances created for them. What do you think will happen if we have a technical creative midfield to support them? The defence has been solid despite the little protection offered by the midfield. What do you think would happen with a better technical midfield in front of them.
First and foremost, no one should underestimate the importance of the holding midfield role where Carrick is deployed. I need to remind people that the Dortmund team immediately fell apart as soon as Sahin got injured last season and this season, the only player the new coach, Tuchel recruited into the first team is Weigl, a holding midfielder.
Simply put, the whole Dortmund's first team this season has consists of mainly Klopp's players apart from Weigl, who has been a constant feature in Tuchel's team.
The holding midfielder as inconspicuous as he is, build up the play, provide passing option for the back four, transition the play from the defence to attack, switch play to the wings, his reading of the games and anticipation while defending helps the team a lot.. This is what Carrick provided on daily basis last season but this season, his leg has becomes heavier and the team has no one to operate well in the said role. This has been one reason for the team total falling apart, just like Dortmund did under Klopp as soon Sahin got injured.
Another is the team has no consistent playmaker to orchestrate the play nor create for the forwards. The likes of Mata and Herrera are just average and inconsistent player with little creativity in them. Story of the team so far.