Joshthefirst:
Food for your thought.

Man is responsible for his actions. God is a being of love, and he created man with freewill and allowed evil to exist so that he would eventually deal with it forever

Really? Listen you yourself. What is the essence of allowing evil to exist? Why create a problem when you know the repercussions?

Religion has been bastardized. I remember when I was much younger, what was often preached was "SALVATION", modernization has turned churches into franchise, you'll see up to 5 churches on a street talking about the same God, many embellish the doctrine, making reference to verses in the bible without looking at the overall picture/scripture. Another truth is that many people worship their pastors and not God, but they are too blind to see it.

Many things in the new testament contradicts the old testament and vise versa, we tend to turn the blind eye to simple details, we allow prejudice cloud our judgement.

topdee:


God is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient: Why did God hand everything to Man when he knew the outcome already, irrespective of what Man decides God already knows. What is the point of existence when God knew there would be good and evil, even Man never asked to be created, so why blame Man.

Food for thought.

Man was living a problem free lifestyle before the devil deceived him, so man was sent out of the garden of Eden to till the ground b/cos of disobedience.(Gen. 3 v 23). Yet, GOD did not abandon man, so HE has already made an UTOPIAN world for those who obey HIM against all odds (Rev. 21 v 1-7). That same "DEVIL" is still at work polluting peoples mind. BEWARE!!!

realmindz:

lol, ok explain it to me since u are a christian, I'm willing to learn. As a christian, u can show me light and truth as expected of you to preach the good news and gospel. dnt leave a brother in the dark

d bible says but those who
seek the LORD understand all things.therefore, seek him then ya eyes will open

Krismart:
U must be pastor son. E be like say schl fees don De hard

I'm not a pastor son.U r funny. lol.

It is mandatory in the bible to give 10% of ur income please read malachi 3: 8-12
So it is not of your business on what the men of God used it for but just follow the instruction given to you by God.

realmindz:
anybody who says tithe was money and believe should be paid....kindly explain clearly this chapter of the bible otherwise forever keep silent till eternity........

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 New International Version (NIV)
Tithes
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the
Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your lhousehold shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27
And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.
28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands....

it is unfortunate that only one version of the tithe is mentioned and it must be given to the church.
Most churches has neglected the poor in the midst. Some tithes r meant to be 'eaten' by the owner in the presence of the lord but hardly will u see churches saying that.
in fact the one to be shared with the Levite's are also to be shared with the widows and the orphan. Churches with one branch helps a lot but multi-branch churches send all their tithea to the headquarter, some headquarters only receive money but after that nothing else, no other support.

The only new testament claim that Jesus supported tithe was only made at the end of his statement but he makes equity and justice more important than the tithe, he paid the tax of the land, he mentioned the tithe because the old testament has not been abolished because the new testament cannot take effect without the blood of the testator (Jesus) being shed. After he died and resurrected, none of the apostles mentioned tithe except in Hebrews 7 where the new covenant was made to supersede the old covenant because its fraught with errors and codes that has never brought men closer to God but all in fear. Tithe was mentioned in that chapter to show that it was under the old covenant, and without it having a fault the new testament wouldn't have come into being. the new testament said give and it shall be given to you. Lay aside at the end of every week what you will give to God according to how God has prospered you, the only true religion to God is to visit the orphans and widows, see to their needs and remain unspotted from the world, that's the new covenant, if there is no 3 witnesses to corroborate tithe in the new testament it shouldn't be a standard but give back to God because you love God not because you are compelled to do so that means you are forcing yourself back under the old covenant. Most of our pastors are right at heart but their doctrine is wrong this is permissible but God will judge everyone at the end of the ages.
Thank You.

Krismart:
Where is tithe in d bible?

Malachi 3 v 8-12

S247:
Man was living a problem free lifestyle before the devil deceived him, so man was sent out of the garden of Eden to till the ground b/cos of disobedience.(Gen. 3 v 23). Yet, GOD did not abandon man, so HE has already made an UTOPIAN world for those who obey HIM against all odds (Rev. 21 v 1-7). That same "DEVIL" is still at work polluting peoples mind. BEWARE!!!

Please answer this question: Did God know the Devil was going to deceive Man beforehand? And did God know the outcome beforehand?

ZUBY77:


Please send me the bank account where you paid the 10% to GOD. I will give Him my 90% and keep only 10%.

pay it to ur church a/c. numbers.Pastors are GOD's Ambassadors.(Colosians 1 : 25)

AirmirthDY:

Are u by anymeans submitting that Christians are not meant to tithe?

Yes I am, christians have no business observing the obsolete jewish tithe laws.

basadenet:

I am sure you are not a christian.

100% christian and passionate lover of christ. Maybe you should show me one single new testament teaching directing christians to tithe if you claim tithing is a christian doctrine.

Annunaki:


Yes I am, christians have no business observing the obsolete jewish tithe laws.

No business whatsoever.

Annunaki:


100% christian and passionate lover of christ. Maybe. You should show me one single new testament teaching directing christians to tithe if you claim tithing is a christian doctrine.

There's absolutely no verse in the NT where Christ or Apostle Paul or any other preacher for that matter, admonishes us to tithe. No single place.

Fadman4real:


You don't understand what I said, I simply pointed out that because we allowed sin into the world. God's creation became corrupted, and that is the reason why we experience this things.

But not to worry we have a perfect world waiting for us when this world finishes it's course.

Like plaetton said, it is a tradegy to our educational system to have lecturers like you teaching students that earthquakes, hurricanes, solar flares, novas and colliding galaxies are caused by man allowing sin into the world.

According to your mythology, it was not man that allowed sin (Satan) into the world but your God. Your God is said to have banished Satan to earth (of all planets in the universe ), knowing how dangerous he is.

topdee:


Please answer this question: Did God know the Devil was going to deceive Man beforehand? And did God know the outcome beforehand?

GOD knew the devil is very cunning to decieve them,that was why HE gave them the INSTRUCTION beforehand.And HE also knew that the outcome is death,and HE already told them.That's why people die.Initially man was made to live forever.

topdee:


Please answer this question: Did God know the Devil was going to deceive Man beforehand? And did God know the outcome beforehand?

GOD knew the devil is very cunning to decieve them,that was why HE gave them the INSTRUCTION beforehand.And HE also knew that the outcome is death,and HE already told them (Gen.3 v 3).That's why people die.Initially man was made to live forever.

plaetton:
Because God has nothing to show for all the money paid to him.
I mean, look at the universe, void and cold, no infrastructure, no easy way to get from galaxy A to galaxy B.

We need a probe of finances of the universe.

can the dead praise God?No! Can the dead show appreciation to God? No! God does not need our money he needs our praise, thanksgiving with a grateful heart.

S247:
GOD knew the devil is very cunning to decieve them,that was why HE gave them the INSTRUCTION beforehand.And HE also knew that the outcome is death,and HE already told them.That's why people die.Initially man was made to live forever.

Abeg which instruction did God give them before hand? Did God warn about the devil? Did God warn Adam and Eve the devil is also a co tenant (neighbour ) in the garden of Eden?

dazzlingd:

can u back this up with any bible verse...tell me whr it says pastors are God reps and we should remit 10% to them

Matthew 25 v 40

S247:
GOD knew the devil is very cunning to decieve them,that was why HE gave them the INSTRUCTION beforehand.And HE also knew that the outcome is death,and HE already told them (Gen.3 v 3).That's why people die.Initially man was made to live forever.

You didn't answer my question. Did HE know Man was going to eat the forbidden fruit beforehand? Why even create a very cunning creature, what's the point?
HE is omniscient, Man taking from the proposed forbidden fruit was inevitable, God knows every Man's tomorrow, irrespective of how Man acts, meaning whatever we'll do tomorrow God already knows. Am I right?
Why will you say Man was made to live forever, when THE CREATOR already knew what Man will end up doing, before he created Man.

Tithes is hw it was used n preached in d bible bt 2days...its same name n word bt use as offering in a negative way in 99% churches in D whole wide world....I remember lookin at 1 dare devil pastor boastin about hw people now pay gud tithes to d church as achievement 4 his gain...I pay tithes bt to any church I find interesting...

wirinet:


Abeg which instruction did God give them before hand? Did God warn about the devil? Did God warn Adam and Eve the devil is also a co tenant (neighbour ) in the garden of Eden?

The INSTRUCTION:But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.(Gen.3 v 3) Man need not know the reason behind any GOD's given instruction, all that is required is obedience.Just to simply say yes sir to GOD without query.If they had obeyed the devil would have failed.Thanks to JESUS for the redemption of our souls.

taiwo05:


d bible says but those who
seek the LORD understand all things.therefore, seek him then ya eyes will open

ibeji, wat are u saying....that passage quoted above, what do u ve to say to it, I need your view and contribution

dazzlingd:

can u tell me how that 10% goes to God.

Nice response! Thumbs up

S247:
Matthew 25 v 40

are u high on cheap weed
40 “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

How does this passage support the claim that we should pay 10% to pastors...?
cheerful giving to people in need is what the passage was saying...
pls say another one

irunooboo:
[size=14pt] I will pay tithes the day any one can provide me with the direct bank account of God. But paying to pastors to flex in jets and yatchs is a NO NO for me. Dangote is the most blessed and successful man in Nigeria and he never paid any tithes but contributes to humanity via donations which most churches will never do. People paying tithes 24/7 are begging God to have 1% of his blessings so what are we saying RELIGION IS INDEED A SCAM. [/size]

Who told you dangote is the most blessed?
He's the richest but does that mean , anything to God spiritually?
Jesus said "what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul" - proving that the human
soul is worth more than all the wealth in the planet.
Most "blessed"! think again.

realmindz:

ibeji, wat are u saying....that passage quoted above, what do u ve to say to it, I need your view and contribution

given u d best answer..... I'm off don't quote me again

taiwo05:


given u d best answer..... I'm off don't quote me again

just as expected, u ve nothing to say, no facts to back up ur argument....i jst gave u a bible verse and u are completely defenceless....bye

irunooboo:
[size=14pt] I will pay tithes the day any one can provide me with the direct bank account of God. But paying to pastors to flex in jets and yatchs is a NO NO for me. Dangote is the most blessed and successful man in Nigeria and he never paid any tithes but contributes to humanity via donations which most churches will never do. People paying tithes 24/7 are begging God to have 1% of his blessings so what are we saying RELIGION IS INDEED A SCAM. [/size]

dangote never pay tithe? see dangote daughter....

asalimpo:

Who told you dangote is the most blessed?
He's the richest but does that mean , anything to God spiritually?
Jesus said "what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul" - proving that the human
soul is worth more than all the wealth in the planet.
Most "blessed"! think again.

who told those who pay tithes are more blessed?
The holy scammers will preach "The blessings may not come back to you in form of money but in other means" They say this so u won't question why you are getting poorer despite remitting a 10%....

Jst take a look at tithing, a very funny activity of mere mortals, earn income, then carry calculator to calculate 10%, deduct the funds, take it to bank or do Internet banking transfer or pay cash in church....All these, nothing connected to the spiritual...They are all man made acitivties

realmindz:

we read same bible, why don't u point it out to me where it says we should pay tithe, it's not a matter of if some1 like or not, let's reason like intelligent beings and bring out facts and truth. The same bible tells us to seek the truth and it shall set us free....
I'm aware the issue of tithe has been over flogged on NL and many eyes ve been opened to the truth and they ve been set free. I know many testimonies of people freed from lies and bondages of tithes and many shall still be freed

Of course, like Eve reasoned like intelligent being hoping to be freed from perceived God's bondage brought us to where we're at the moment. Reading Bible doesn't mean that we would be obedient to the word, it takes the spirit of God to do just that. The foolish virgins were also Bible readers..

damocool:

Of course, like Eve reasoned like intelligent being hoping to be freed from perceived God's bondage brought us to where we're at the moment. Reading Bible doesn't mean that we would be obedient to the word, it takes the spirit of God to do just that. The foolish virgins were also Bible readers..

eve had no bible nor history to revert to, neither did the foolish virgins....
All I've asked is to read from the bible which christianity belief is based and seek the truth from it.
Listening to your pastors won't help u...but wait, what's the title pastor derived from, who qualified them as pastors or men of God..from the last time I checked, we are all children of God with same grace in the presence of God....Oyedepo and a begger on the streets both ve the grace to be called children of God, so tell me why I sud send my 10% to my brother in Christ since we are both children of Christ?