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elampiro:
Neymar is an established player. Barca hooked him down for two years and allowed him to mature in Brazil. At that time he was already Brazil most reliable player.

According to Scholes, Martial wouldn't start in Manchester United if things were okay.

then who'd start? Rooney?? by d way pls share me d link WHR schooled said that

Kagawa10:
Ignorance at its peak.
Start with the insult na, 2 can definitely play the game.

but seriously all d stuff you wrote are crap in my opinion..Herrera average? I think d point WHR I agree with you is abt Carrick's importance in build up play...you were spot on there...I still tell people that carrick is still d best midfielder in manu,and as you stated ,part of why we are suffering is because he has no replacement..but don't blame d players,manu has some decent players whom under d right coach wud play well...I'm sure you also might b of d opinion that dimaria was shit and lvg wasn't to blame...

chrisley024:
@Kagawa10, LvG's problem is his steady tinkering of both the players' positions and team as well as his inability to learn from his mistakes.

Morgan was never a holding midfielder, even while at S'ton Wayama was the team’s holding midfielder. So why expect such qualities from him and bench him when he doesn't deliver?.

Similar to the errors he was making by shifting Martial and Rashford to the right flank just to have Depay in the team.

On why players suddenly lose their attacking abilities after sometimes with him is still a mystery to me.

Who are these quality players who lost their attacking play under LVG? Is it Mata who's been poor since forever, starting with his last stint at Chelsea? Or the aging Rooney? Or the inconsistent Herrera? Why don't you find out how many assists he had at Bilbao while playing in the attacking midfield role for them? These players are just bang average. They only tends to play well against opposition teams who afforded them too much space but against high pressing opposition, they are just turn overs machine waiting to happen.
On Morgan, I think the reason LVG had deployed him in holding role is because he has no one to deputise for Carrick other than him (if you exclude the injury prone Bastian)

dubylhover:
but seriously all d stuff you wrote are crap in my opinion..Herrera average? I think d point WHR I agree with you is abt Carrick's importance in build up play...you were spot on there...I still tell people that carrick is still d best midfielder in manu,and as you stated ,part of why we are suffering is because he has no replacement..but don't blame d players,manu has some decent players whom under d right coach wud play well...I'm sure you also might b of d opinion that dimaria was shit and lvg wasn't to blame...

You are the one talking sh!t if you can't see how useless Herrera is against high pressing opposition where he tends to look like a sunday league player under pressure.
Were you sleeping during the Watford game? Or the Westbrom game? How about the high pressing Mityjlland team which made Herrera looked like an eediot despite the likes of Schneiderlin, Rashford, Memphis having the best game of lives in the second leg.
Personally, I rate Schneiderlin more than Herrera. He's 10 times the player Herrera is, in a box-box midfield role of course.

So someone deserves insults for disagreeing with you? Smh
He made some good points some will agree with and other points some will disagree with. E never reach to dye talk about insults.

1) Schneiderlin who was brought in to replace Carrick is quite good without the ball but modern football requires the holding midfielder to be a very good passer of the ball, he needs to work on that seriously.

2) Herrera is just slightly above average, he is made to look good by his mediocre team mates. He is very careless with the ball,lacks awareness and has the tendency to turn into danger. When he is given time on the ball he has some quality but in the EPL that won't be often.

3) The summary is that while it is true that LVG has been disappointing the major problem is the quality of the players(both the old ones and the new buys). If the board does not realise this the same players would end up causing a 3rd manager to be sacked next season

For years we have been buying subpar players only to be bailed out by the will of SAF. Now he is not there we need to buy some of the best in the world and not has beens like Schweinsteiger and Falcao or potentials like Memphis but players at their peak in their mid 20s

Kagawa10:
Ignorance at its peak.
Start with the insult na, 2 can definitely play the game.

You dare to speak of ignorance? the essence of your posts.

I don't even need to resort to insults when i can prove almost everything you posted as crap with limited effort.

We should be going for Aubameyang,Muller,Gundogan etc and not Anderson from Lazio or that Benfica teenager. No more experiments, we need peak players who would be comfortable with physical EPL football.

GBR1:
You dare to speak of ignorance? the essence of your posts.

I don't even need to resort to insults when i can prove almost everything you posted as crap with limited effort.

I want to know the point where you're to start with the insult. That's what I'm interested in, not your unintelligent rants.

Kagawa10:
I disagree with that. The win were as a result of Carrick. Everytime Carrick was in the team, the team has no difficulty pulling off the wins but without him, the team totally fell apart as seen in our last 6 games in 2014/2015 season where the team laboured against hull, crystal place, lost to Everton, Westbrom, Arsenal et al but with Carrick in the team, the team did wonders. Check here: http://transfermarkt.com/louis-van-gaal/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/2029/verein_id/985/saison_id/2014.
Carrick was the reason for our top 4 finish last season because he didn't only build our play but also helps to orchestrate most of the attacks. Special mention to Young too.
The likes of Herrera, Mata, Rooney contributed their part but were at no time the reason the team performed well. It's no coincidence that these three are the ones who tends to have turnovers whenever put under pressure. I repeat, the aforementioned players are simply average.
The mistake Van gaal made was not signing an holding midfielder to replace the aged Carrick this season. He probably thought Morgan would do well in the holding midfield role.

It was not only because of Carrick. The period Carrick was fit to play coincided with the period Phil Jones and Smalling partnered, and Ashley Young fit to play too.

Phil Jones and Smalling did not lose a match last season when they started at CB together, and that record was there for many years.

elampiro:
It was not only because of Carrick. The period Carrick was fit to play coincided with the period Phil Jones and Smalling partnered, and Ashley Young fit to play too.

Phil Jones and Smalling did not lose a match last season when they started at CB together, and that record was there for many years.

Phil jones and Smalling made us looked at our attacking best against Aston Villa, City, Spurs and Liverpool last season? Okay o.
Don't forget Young also started in those game we lost, which had no Carrick in them.

elampiro:
It was not only because of Carrick. The period Carrick was fit to play coincided with the period Phil Jones and Smalling partnered, and Ashley Young fit to play too.

Phil Jones and Smalling did not lose a match last season when they started at CB together, and that record was there for many years.

I rated Jones but I am starting to suspect he is another Jonathan Woodgate, injured yesterday recovering today to be injured tomorrow.
His combo with Smalling is still our best right now because it affords us the ability to play a high line and compress the midfield spaces, however I believe next season we need to buy a world class ball playing but physical defender to complement Smalling( who is still so poor with the ball).

dubylhover:
then who'd start? Rooney?? by d way pls share me d link WHR schooled said that

I can't get the link again. But I saw it after Liverpool eliminated us from Europa. Scholes and Ferdinand blasted the kids. Although Scholes said the boys did better in the second leg than the first. It was the second time he said United ought not rely on a 20 years old. After we were eliminated from UCL, he said something. That Martial's time has not really arrived.

afrodoc2:
We should be going for Aubameyang,Muller,Gundogan etc and not Anderson from Lazio or that Benfica teenager. No more experiments, we need peak players who would be comfortable with physical EPL football.

First and foremost, we need a holding midfielder with good passing skills and technique to replace Carrick.
I already mentioned that Dortmund downfall under Klopp happened as soon as Sahin got a severe injury last season. Do you know the first player Tuchel recruited into his starting 11 as soon as he took over, it was Weigl, an holding midfielder. The Dortmund team remains unchanged from the previous Klopp's team apart from Weigl. That's to tell you how important the holding midfield role is.
We also need a creative playmaker who has spectacular vision, pace and can operate well in tight spaces, I would go for Verratti but he's not attainable. One of Pjanic or Insigne would do though.
A ball playing centre back and a winger (either of Dembele, Mahrez or Mane) would complete the jigsaw.

All these una epistles na story for another day... all I want is that rigid,wine drinking,minced-pie eating,old,dutch archaic philosophy professor outta Manchester United!!!

Enough of his useless experiments!!..

if you don't want LVG outta united,that means you enjoy having a boring lady as a wife or girlfriend!!!

#LVGMustGo!!!

Kagawa10:
First and foremost, we need a holding midfielder with good passing skills and technique to replace Carrick.
I already mentioned that Dortmund downfall under Klopp happened as soon as Sahin got a severe injury last season. Do you know the first player Tuchel recruited into his starting 11 as soon as he took over, it was Weigl, an holding midfielder. The Dortmund team remains unchanged from the previous Klopp's team apart from Weigl. That's to tell you how important the holding midfield role is.
We also needs a creative playmaker who has spectacular vision, pace and can operate well in tight spaces, I would go for Verratti but he's not attainable. One of Pjanic or Insigne would do though.
A ball playing centre back and a winger (either of Dembele, Mahrez or Mane) would complete the jigsaw.

With LVG

elrony:
All these una epistles na story for another day... all I want is that rigid,wine drinking,minced-pie eating,old,dutch archaic philosophy professor outta Manchester United!!!

Enough of his useless experiments!!..

if you don't want LVG outta united,that means you enjoy having a boring lady as a wife or girlfriend!!!

#LVGMustGo!!!

If there's a better manager out there like Pocchettino, Tuchel, Ancellotti, Pep to replace him, I wouldn't mind but not Mourinho. It's likely going to happen though.

Kagawa10:
If there's a better manager out there like Pocchettino, Tuchel, Ancellotti, Pep to replace him, I wouldn't mind but not Mourinho. It's likely going to happen though.

In summary, you 'd want the "falling Dutchman" out,huh?

Kagawa10:
Phil jones and Smalling made us looked at our attacking best against Aston Villa, City, Spurs and Liverpool last season? Okay o.
Don't forget Young also started in those game we lost, which had no Carrick in them.

Forget that thing. Carrick was there when we lost at Old Trafford to Southampton. He was there when Cambrigde drew us and almost disgraced us.

If the defence is wobbling the midfielders wont get going all day, and even forward players would join in helping to defend. So much amount of time would be spent trying to stopped opposition from scoring.

Ashley Young was easily our best outfield player last season. Carrick was fortunate to be around when the team was well stuffed in various positions, but I am not taking away his contributions.

elrony:
With LVG

Why not?
Until he's allowed to get his own midfielders other than the likes of Mata, Fellaini and Herrera who were dumped on him, I won't judge him.
The likes of Martial, Rashford, Lingard doesn't look out of place in his system and he knows the importance of the holding midfield role except that he has no one capable of operating there apart from the aged Carrick.

Kagawa10:
The players are obviously not good enough.

I'm not gonna argue that we have world class players to be throwing shades at Bayern or Madrid but every reasonable united fan would agree that our performances this season have not been reflective of the actual players' abilities. We shouldn't lose to the likes of Norwich, Westbrom, Bornemouth, and even getting schooled by midgetland. Do they have better players than us? Stop this nonsense please.

Is it his fault that Carrick (one of the team's influential player last season) has added another year to his age and as a result has become tortoise in the midfield? Or his fault for the inconsistency of Rooney?
How is it the coach's fault that Young, our instrumental player last season has become ridden with injury since the season began and his supposed replacement, Depay has shown nothing to prove he can cut it in the top league?

LVG has been tasked with rebuilding the squad, clearing out deadwood and making us very competitive again. To this effect, he has been provided with funds to spend as he wishes. Whose fault is it he hasn't figured out a replacement for Carrick in about 5 transfer windows and is so reliant on him? why did he refuse to buy strikers and placed all hopes on Rooney who has always been inconsistent and never lead the line completely for a title winning team? Then he went on a panic buy, a got us a 19 year old, who though, can actually become a top player but is still too young to lead the line. Depay was LVG's signing, wasn't he? So who gets the blame for spending that much on a flop?
In general, LVG trimmed the squad but it was excessive and his replacements were not enough.

Is it his fault that the likes of Herrera becomes turn overs machine as soon he's under pressure from high pressing opposition team? Or Mata who's been poo for 4 yrs running, starting from his last stint at Chelsea.
Basically, the team has no one other than Schneiderlin to deputise for Carrick however, Morgan has refused to do well in the holding role apart from when deployed as a box-box midfielder.

If Herrera is actually not good enough for LVG, why has he failed to get a replacement or Mata too? He's been provided with funds!

It's even very difficult to judge players under LVG because most of them have regressed under his guidance. He's a terribble coach currently.

As a matter of fact, I found out that majority of Schneiderlin's best performance has been alongside Carrick/Schweinsteger who operates as the holding midfielder while he acts as the box-box midfielder. The Arsenal game for example, where the likes of Ozil, Ramsey et al were too lazy to press our midfield of Herrera-Schneiderlin thereby resulting into large space for them to operate still had Schneiderlin looking average in the holding midfield role. It was even worse against a high pressing Watford team who gave our midfield a hard chase resulting into many turnovers and we had God to thank that Watford failed to capitalise on the turnovers.
Schneiderlin is by no means a poor player but he's not cut out for the holding role and sadly, we have no one except him to deputise for Carrick. Just look at his performance stats on http://whoscored.com, you will notice that his best games were with either Carrick or Schweinsteiger who operated as the holding midfielders. Let's not even go far, the city game is an example.
I'm still of the belief that the squad is where the fault lies, not the coach's system. Basically, the team has no capable creative midfield to support and create for the likes of Rashford, Martial and Lingard yet these aforementioned players hasn't looked out of place in LVG's system. They've been vibrant, agile and look threatening in most games even with few chances created for them. What do you think will happen if we have a technical creative midfield to support them? The defence has been solid despite the little protection offered by the midfield. What do you think would happen with a better technical midfield in front of them.
First and foremost, no one should underestimate the importance of the holding midfield role where Carrick is deployed. I need to remind people that the Dortmund team immediately fell apart as soon as Sahin got injured last season and this season, the only player the new coach, Tuchel recruited into the first team is Weigl, a holding midfielder.
Simply put, the whole Dortmund's first team this season has consists of mainly Klopp's players apart from Weigl, who has been a constant feature in Tuchel's team.
The holding midfielder as inconspicuous as he is, build up the play, provide passing option for the back four, transition the play from the defence to attack, switch play to the wings, his reading of the games and anticipation while defending helps the team a lot.. This is what Carrick provided on daily basis last season but this season, his leg has becomes heavier and the team has no one to operate well in the said role. This has been one reason for the team total falling apart, just like Dortmund did under Klopp as soon Sahin got injured.
Another is the team has no consistent playmaker to orchestrate the play nor create for the forwards. The likes of Mata and Herrera are just average and inconsistent player with little creativity in them.

You are using complications to describe simple things. LVG style of play is the major problem. The players we have are not suited for this. A good coach knows when to adapts or manage these things to obtain good results but LVG is extremely arrogant and stubborn and past his time and that's why he enjoyed most of his success in the earlier parts of his career. We can't beat top bottom teams of the PL table who pack the bus with his tactics/plan when we experience lots of possession but still lose, then we get better results against top half teams who don't pack the bus and we play better on the counter. If we hadn't lost or dropped points to teams in the bottom half, we'd currently be in contention for the title. LVG can never challenge for the PL title due to this. I have not forgotten how we finished last season poorly after we had a good run of results earlier. We are simply not cut for possession football currently but he has failed to realized this. For his talk about possession or philosophy, we aren 't actually even good at keeping the ball. Most teams simply let us keep it because they know we can't do damage with it. We collapse ridiculously when pressed seriously. LVG has been built nothing. He hasn't placed any foundations as some believe. He's a failure.

I will address every of your post soon, and you'd be amazed by how much nonsense that has been said.

elampiro:
I can't get the link again. But I saw it after Liverpool eliminated us from Europa. Scholes and Ferdinand blasted the kids. Although Scholes said the boys did better in the second leg than the first. It was the second time he said United ought not rely on a 20 years old. After we were eliminated from UCL, he said something. That Martial's time has not really arrived.

i agree with d fact that schoolesy might say we shudnt rely on a 20 year old and that's very true,but I seriously doubt hed say specifically that martial isnt supposed to b starting

Kagawa10:
Why not?
Until he's allowed to get his own midfielders other than the likes of Mata, Fellaini and Herrera who were dumped on him, I won't judge him.
The likes of Martial, Rashford, Lingard doesn't look out of place in his system and he knows the importance of the holding midfield role except that he has no one capable of operating there apart from the aged Carrick.

Was he high on Amsterdam weed during the transfer windows?... or apparently he was blindfolded I guess!

Dude, Louis Okomu Banga has close to nothing to offer in today's modern game of tactics, he should retire already!!$!

dubylhover:
i agree with d fact that schoolesy might say we shudnt rely on a 20 year old and that's very true,but I seriously doubt hed say specifically that martial isnt supposed to b starting

You didn't pay attention to details. What they meant is that in a normal Manchester United team (like we had under SAF) Martial wouldn't be a starter. That's during Scholes' era.

Ferdinand also implied same. He said he could list 6 players who left who are better than the players who faced Liverpool.

afrodoc2:
We should be going for Aubameyang,Muller,Gundogan etc and not Anderson from Lazio or that Benfica teenager. No more experiments, we need peak players who would be comfortable with physical EPL football.

my brother,as manu is right now,that's not d solution...I swear even if you give those players to lvg,we wud still play like this...this lvg of recent can't develop a really good and talented player,he wud work better on average lads like fellaini,lingard,young and co...there was a quote that pochetinno made that I loved....he said all players are not equal,there are some with rare talent,that you can't teach a player how to play ball,that in some cases you give him d freedom to xpress himself...he said this when asked abt allis performance after he scored that wonder goal...but lvg is d total opposite...I saw somewhr that he wanted to show Herrera how to trap d ball,that's shii na...and I'm sure thats what he'd have been doing with dimaria that some deluded united fans were blasting dimaria....lvg would successfully turn a neymar to an Ashley young and b proud about it...

elampiro:
You didn't pay attention to details. What they meant is that in a normal Manchester United team (like we had under SAF) Martial wouldn't be a starter. That's during Scholes' era.

Ferdinand also implied same. He said he could list 6 players who left who are better than the players who faced Liverpool.

well i still dont agree,martial is good enough to start even under sir Alex...

dubylhover:
well i still dont agree,martial is good enough to start even under sir Alex...

I agree with Scholes. Martial wouldn't find a place in SAF team of 2006-2009. He could have gotten a few starts from 2010-2013.

Martial doesn't carry the team as Nani did for us when Ronaldo left. Or as Val did for us in his first two or three seasons.

elampiro:
Forget that thing. Carrick was there when we lost at Old Trafford to Southampton. He was there when Cambrigde drew us and almost disgraced us.

If the defence is wobbling the midfielders wont get going all day, and even forward players would join in helping to defend. So much amount of time would be spent trying to stopped opposition from scoring.

Ashley Young was easily our best outfield player last season. Carrick was fortunate to be around when the team was well stuffed in various positions, but I am not taking away his contributions.

Carrick was deployed alongside Blind, another slow midfielder, imagine 2 slow midfielders against a vibrant Southampton midfield, hence the result.
But are you not being precious here? You implied that the inclusion of Jones and Smalling made the team perform well last season yet the Southampton game you made mention of had the aforementioned players included in the team.
Does that not put your phantom theory to rest compared to the large samples of games that the team lost without carrick included in the lineups?
And if you had checked well, you would see that majority of the games won by the team last season had no inclusion of both Smalling and Jones in the team. Only one of them happened to be included, not always both.
Come to think of it, how could someone have the thought that the inclusion of Jones and Smalling makes the team looks good in attack? LOL.
The Cambridge game wasn't a poor game by the way. The midfield had a good control throughout the game which prevented the Cambridge team from having any sniff nor be allowed to create anything through the middle while the chances created by our team were all wasted by the likes of Di maria, Falcao and Januzaj. As a matter of fact, Cambridge played a defensive game.

elrony:
Was he high on Amsterdam weed during the transfer windows?... or apparently he was blindfolded I guess!

Dude, Louis Okomu Banga has close to nothing to offer in today's modern game of tactics, he should retire already!!$!

He did fine at the world cup though.
That's when you consider the average dutch team at his disposal but one thing the dutch players can do well is pass the ball well which is the opposite of our players. The dutch team never remained the same as soon as he left them though. That tells something.
As per the transfers, he did sign Schneiderlin but failed to realise he had signed a box-box midfielder, not a holding midfielder. Big mistake on his part.

dubylhover:
my brother,as manu is right now,that's not d solution...I swear even if you give those players to lvg,we wud still play like this...this lvg of recent can't develop a really good and talented player,he wud work better on average lads like fellaini,lingard,young and co...there was a quote that pochetinno made that I loved....he said all players are not equal,there are some with rare talent,that you can't teach a player how to play ball,that in some cases you give him d freedom to xpress himself...he said this when asked abt allis performance after he scored that wonder goal...but lvg is d total opposite...I saw somewhr that he wanted to show Herrera how to trap d ball,that's shii na...and I'm sure thats what he'd have been doing with dimaria that some deluded united fans were blasting dimaria....lvg would successfully turn a neymar to an Ashley young and b proud about it...

Herrera is just bang average, the faster you realise this, the better. Why do you think the spanish team failed to cap him?
As per Dimaria, his head was never at Manutd to begin with. He had always wanted to move to Psg, which goes back to the time he was benched under Ancellotti for his awful display on the wing.
The fact that Khedira's injury was what paved way for his return into Madrid's first team (and only as a midfielder) should tell you something. Would you then say that Ancellotti's system was poor to have made Di maria look awful on wing?
The reality is the team has no quality to begin with, save for our young guns who has slotted seamlessly into LVG's system..

So all dis epistle na for L.v.G to continue abi wetin.?

weedtaker:
So all dis epistle na for L.v.G to continue abi wetin.?

Mourinho would even do worse with these set of players at his disposal.
And I would have to applaud LVG for his courage to use the youth players which wouldn't happen under any coach, especially when the team is having difficulty in getting a win. Can you imagine Mourinho doing that? A case study is his last stint at Chelsea where he persisted with the senior players inspite of their horrible display. Even Fergie chickened out in his latter stage and had to deploy makeshift players ( Rafael) in midfield instead of Pogba.

Kagawa10:
Carrick was deployed alongside Blind, another slow midfielder, imagine 2 slow midfielders against a vibrant Southampton midfield, hence the result.
But are you not being precious here? You implied that the inclusion of Jones and Smalling made the team perform well last season yet the Southampton game you made mention of had the aforementioned players included in the team.
Does that not put your phantom theory to rest compared to the large samples of games that the team lost without carrick included in the lineups?
And if you had checked well, you would see that majority of the games won by the team last season had no inclusion of both Smalling and Jones in the team. Only one of them happened to be included, not always both.
Come to think of it, how could someone have the thought that the inclusion of Jones and Smalling makes the team looks good in attack? LOL.
The Cambridge game wasn't a poor game by the way. The midfield had a good control throughout the game which prevented the Cambridge team from having any sniff nor be allowed to create anything through the middle while the chances created by our team were all wasted by the likes of Di maria, Falcao and Januzaj. As a matter of fact, Cambridge played a defensive game.

You are the one who didn't check well. Smalling and Jones did not play as centre backs. So your argument is null and void. Also considering Ashley Young was not in our left side of attack, he didn't play.

We played 3-5-2. It was actually more of two midilfielders at the end because Rooney was doing a double job of stopping Wanyama. We looked like winning the game until Gaal decided to push Rooney forward and play Herrera as the box to box midfielder. Wanyama became too strong for Herrera and Carrick. Carrick gave the ball away three times in quick succession and the third led to a goal.

Go back to check, when Smalling and Jones played as our central defenders we didn't lose a game last season. Phil Jones and Carrick went to injury same time. We lost to Everton and recorded three loses in a row.

We drew against Cambrigde and you are saying we were not poor. Cambrigde missed a last minute goal. It could have been disastrous.