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It must of taken you all day to write this page, and it took you half the day to write your last page, why don't you write a book and we will call the book {Bullshit} written by Mr know it all.
I can give you a name to a Church "Watchmen" Do you know it?
Listen no-one is listening to you, everything you write you have denied the truth about your organization.
Everyone who is not involved in the JW's Church knows the truth about Christ, and everyone who has joined your organization will not find salvation.
I have already informed you I am a pentecostal and you have ran wild with that idea, Jesus never had a Church made out of brick and mortar, His Church is His people. And I receive my teachings, from the word of God. Most of us call it the bible.

Pentecostal churches are open for all men and women, it don't matter what religion they are from, we are all made in that same image of God, Churches are like different countries, if one enters, we learn different cultures.
Jesus said go out unto all the world and preach the gospel, and travelling from one Church to another is part of that world.

All Thur through the years I have found some pretty interesting's findings, about other religions. I found there are many names given to God, but there is one name, that believers know' where they can be saved, and it is mentioned in {Acts 4:12} among many other places, "And their is no salvation in no-one else, for their is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

"Even thus His name is pronounced {Yah shoe Ya} which is from the Old Testament, Hebrew name Joshua" as we know it, as Jesus, and whoever believes in Jesus Christ can be saved {Romans 10:9-13} Jesus's name means "like Joshua's "God Saves or "God is salvation" or simply "salvation" which is essentially the same thing.
Here's something else for you, the Greek term that is sometimes translated "Church" refers to a group of worshippers, Not to a building they meet in.
When the apostle Paul wrote to the Christians in Rome, he sent greeting to a couple named Aquila and Priscilla, and added : greet the Church that meets in their home {Romans 16:5}
Meaning you have your head up your backside so deep, that you are finding it so hard to give it some air. Mr know it all...

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

I did not ask for what your church is, I did not ask for location of your church . I simply asked you to tell us the name of your church. In what name is your church registered. Every church has a name to distinguish and seperate its organization from the others. You are afraid to tell us the name of your church, the reason for such fear is not far fetched.


Have I ever said anything about your church? Why do you conclude that I'm trying to find fault. On the contrary, it is you who had been trying to find fault from page one of these thread. When your attempt had been exposed as false, you jump to another attempt.


Brocad, why do you lie, you had earlier claimed you are pentecostal, a name formulated by humans to seperate their denomination from others, now you say your church is not part of any denomination organization. Your church has a name, has a physical organization here on earth, but your fear of naming it has made you to lie.

There are many seperate organizations named "church of God", which one of them do you associate with!.
(I believe you will not answer these question and will continue to attempt to shift it, but I will keep on asking)


So you are a drifter, one who has not found a church that he believes has the truth, that its doctrines go along with the scriptures.

I never mentioned church buildings, so dnt divert. We are talking about organizations, and they are not represented or determined by their buildings. Brocab, in your attempt not to tell us the church you associate with , you are trying to tell us you have no organization you are part of, you move from organization to organization. I found this to be another lie.
Attending a congregation of jehovahs withnesses does not mean you are part of that organization.

This brings up an issue you tried to use before the issue of the use of technology. You say we should use technology more than going from house to house to preach. Pls brocab, can you direct me to the official website of your church or one of your numerous churches? Jehovahs witnesses use www.jw.org , pls tell us urs.


You twist the truth and add subtle lies into it. Such views only exist in your mind.
Its true that all organizations have different rules and beliefs. One of the most important guiding factors is your beliefs, which determines how you live your life. An example, If one organization claims that you should bow down and pray to mary, and another says its a sin to do so, you must pray to jesus, is it ok for one to be attending both organizations? Even though both claimed to be christians?

If an organization support and promoted warfare, and another organization says its a sin to fight war , will you be attending both organizations? Even though both claim be christians ?
Someone that does that will be someone like you brocab, someone without roots or set of beliefs, someone who accepts any organization even though its beliefs are different from the previous organization. You go from church to church cus those churches told you they where christians, you fellowship with all of them despite the fact that they have contrary beliefs.
A true Christian, while finding the truth, will stay there and will not sit on the wall.

If you attend two meetings in which their teachings are contrary, despite both claiming to be christians, one should know that their is something wrong somewhere, one should examine the scriptures and find out which is the truth, after that one should leave the false one and stick to the truth.

So its either one of three things, 1. You are a jehovahs witness 2. You are a member of other churches or 3. You are undecided, a drifter.
You can only be one of the three. We are getting a clear picture of which one you are!


Your sadness is in your mind. In reality, children of jehovahs witnesses do play with other children of their age group, in school and at home. Your mind is comforting false things that is different when compared to reality . Your wish that children of jehovahs witnesses are caged, but their are not, their parents try to follow scriptural directives that they should guide, protect and train their children in this world controlled by Satan. So they protect their children from things which might seem to be just fun in your mind, but the fun is just to coate the dangers underneate.
Contrary to your beliefs , the parents and children have more fun as a family unit all year round, they are not giving a special date to have fun.


Your imagination is running wild.


I can see you are an advocate of bullying, guess you are a bully too. If you have forced a schoolmate to accept and do things he/she does not want to do, then you are a bully!
Your children should not naturally associate with friends who will bully them, even it they are in the same class, not all children come from good homes.
So brocab, bullying is a very bad thing, so dnt teach your children to accept what bullies say cus you want them to be happy and not feel lonely, teach your children how to have good friends!


Yes, it will be sad, but the joy of trying to save that child (blood transfusion does not assure your survival, in fact bloodless operations are now getting better)cannot be compared to the immense joy one would get when he reunites with that child in a new perfect society.
You are thinking of the present, jehovahs witnesses are thinking of the future life God promised his faithful servants. Their faith is strong in the ressurection hope, and they believe jesus when he said ," whoever loses his life for my sake, will have it back" .
You fear death, cus you are enjoying satans system of things!


Why did you pause, why not complete the lie. Bet you where trying to lie again that jesus received gifts on his birthday!.
Children of jehovahs witnesses receive gifts all year round and do not need a day to do so. They have fun all year round, but do not allow it affect the time they have for spiritual matters.

There is no mention of jesus receiving gifts on his birthday, and I challenge you to refute my statement!


Only in your mind. Your claims exist only in your thoughts.


1. You have failed to even quote and explain even one of the numerous scripture verses I've quoted to you. I've quoted and explained them, I've quoted and explained some of the scriptures that even you quoted, and you are here to say I'm confused . Brocab, its beyond doubt and its glaring to all that you can't explain the scriptures I quoted to you!.
I post those scriptures at the end of the post and the whole world will see again that you wunt quote them, talkless of explaining them. If you reply at all, it would be an excuse on why you can't explain them.

2. You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

3. Your words are exposing your lies, if you believe that jesus said " no one has seen God at any time", then why do you claim jesus is almighty God or jesus is jehovah. Jesus was seen and heard by countless of people, yet you claim he is almighty God. And this same jesus had told you that no one has seen God at anytime. Your false doctrine is contradicting the scriptures.


Brocad when you try to make up something or explain something, stop cutting it in half, explain fully your doctrine so that people will understand you. Though in reality , I know you can't explain it fully cus doing so will show the holes in your doctrine.

When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

I've extensively explained john 10:30 to you, I did so and asked you if jesus and the father are the same person. You saw that you could not answer the question, you decided to change the topic, I asked you again but you did not answer. If you want to still talk about john 10:30, ill post that explanation to you again, but you must promise that this time around you will reply on the issue and answer on the question if jesus is the same person as the father.


Yes it does, hope you also read the part where it is said there are many Gods, and the part where jesus has a God heb 1:9


Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " jesus isn't a God".


Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice and you wunt be able to say the above words.
Explain verses 1 and 6 and people will see that you spill falsehood.
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12 and you doctrine will come to tartars.

I pray the way jesus taught us to pray. He told us to pray to the father. He did not only tell us how, he led by example by praying to the father. So following jesus example, I pray to the FATHER IN HEAVEN!
Now brocab, tell us how you pray!


Give scriptural quote to support your theory pls.


Support the "seed part with scriptural prove pls. Cus last time I read that verse it says, I and the father are one" not "i and the father are one seed.
Stop adding words to the scriptures!

Note: brocab , readers will not that you have not quoted and explained any of the following scriptures

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
And a host of others ill add later.

@ brocab

It must of taken you all day to write this page, and it took you half the day to write your last page, why don't you write a book and we will call the book {Bullshit} written by Mr know it all.

The time taken to write my post is not an issue here, dnt use it to change the topic.
I've exposed your lies and you could not respond to it.
I've used the scriptures to explain things to you, and you could not quote those scriptures, talkless of giving your contrary explanations of those.
I've responded, giving my own view on nearly all of the scriptures you quoted, supporting my understanding with other scriture verses. You on the other hand , have been running away from scriptures you are asked to explain.
I've giving a response to all the issues you've raised, using the scriptures as a guide, but once I give you an explanation, you will run away from the topic and bring another issue up.
The only response you could give to my explanation is that I should write a book. Those are words that could only be spoken by a politician.

I can give you a name to a Church "Watchmen" Do you know it?

Pls dnt give me a name to a church, I did not ask for name of churches. Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Listen no-one is listening to you,

For your mind!

everything you write you have denied the truth about your organization.

Pls just bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.

Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

Everyone who is not involved in the JW's Church knows the truth about Christ, and everyone who has joined your organization will not find salvation.

Everyone!?
Let's do a quick test of your knowledge about jesus .
Tell us, do you know that jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?

If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by jesus himself.

I thank God that you are not the one who gives or determines ones salvation!

I have already informed you I am a pentecostal and you have ran wild with that idea,

It was you that went wild. A simple statement " the name of the church I associate with is so so and so" would have solved the question long time ago. Even if you attend More than one organization, telling us just one of them which you associate with is ok.
Penticostal churches have different denomination, organizations, beliefs, doctrines, authority. It is because they are different from each other, that's why they have different organizations and structures.

If you dnt associate with any, then you are not penticostal.

If you associate with some and accept their beliefs, then tell us their name(s).
If you associate with all cus they claim they are penticostal, then you are a drifter in whom the truth has no root, because it is evident not all penticostal churches agree with each others beliefs, and not all follow jesus teachings.

Jesus never had a Church made out of brick and mortar, His Church is His people. And I receive my teachings, from the word of God. Most of us call it the bible.

Again, we are not Talking about buildings, we are talking about organizations made up of a group of people. Dnt try to divert the issue using buildings.
Are you now changing your stance to say you dnt go to any meetings organized by a religious organization that has a name. Brocab, you keep on twisting and twisting, all because you dnt want to tell the name of the organization you associate with.

Pentecostal churches are open for all men and women, it don't matter what religion they are from, we are all made in that same image of God, Churches are like different countries, if one enters, we learn different cultures.

Yes its open , but its order, its organization is not. Neither is its, doctrines open for everyone to add its own to.
You differentiate this churches by their names and doctrines.

For example, we have seen churches that accept gay marriage, and we have seen churches that say gay marriage is a sin, since both churches are open to all, and they both claim to be Christian, brocab , do you attend both?

Jesus said go out unto all the world and preach the gospel, and travelling from one Church to another is part of that world.

Good to note that your church is part of the world, that's why things of the world are left unchecked there.
Jesus has told us to be no part of the world!
Despite being no part of the world, jesus has told us to go out(from ur explanation above, I can bet you dnt know what "go out" means) into the world.
If your church is part of that world, then you are not going out.

Jesus did not only tell, he sets examples on how it is to be done. When he sent the disciples out, he did not tell them to travel from church to church, but to peoples home, seeking out meek hearted ones. The disciples did not only travel from church to church, but they preached in the market places, on streets and homes of people. Tell me brocad, which organization today does these best, the way jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

[Quote]All Thur through the years I have found some pretty interesting's findings, about other religions. I found there are many names given to God, but there is one name, that believers know' where they can be saved, and it is mentioned in {Acts 4:12} among many other places, "And their is no salvation in no-one else, for their is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.[/quote]There are many names giving to God , but God himself told us his name, a name that the translation you believe in had tried to erase in most places where it occured. Even though people have different versions of that name,depending on language, they still refer to the same God.

Its good you mentioned acts 4: 12, ill quote it and other verses in acts chapter 4 to prove to you that your doctrine is false. And I can bet that you wunt reply on those verses.

I'm going to number the verses to seperate it from the other verses ill use to explain the verse numbered.

(1)acts chapter 4verse 10
Peter filled with holy spirit said this :
Acts 4:10(kjv)
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Brocab, did you notice peters words here? He made us understood that jesus died and God raised him up from the dead! The God peter mentioned here was not the one who died. Hence the God that peter was talking about was not jesus.
Do I have other scritures to surpport this explanation? Yes!

Acts 2:36(kjv)
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Three Thousand Believe
(God,{first person} made jesus {second person} to be the Christ)

Acts 2:24(kjv)
Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be
holden of it.
Acts 5:30 (kjv)
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
( the person peter called God here is not the same person as the one who was raised up. Peter knew who God almighty is, and he is not jesus)

(2) acts chapter 4 verse 11 and 12
(Kjv)
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Peter said there is no other name "given Among men". This means that someone gave that name to others, that they might be saved through that name.
Now who gave the name and who was giving(bears) that name?
Does having that name means the bearer is almighty God?
who is superior , the person who gave the name or the bearer of the name?
The scriptures help us to answer these questions .

Matt 1:21(kjv)
And she shall bring forth a
son, and thou shalt call his
name JESUS: for he shall
save his people from their
sins.
( the person through whom mankind will be saved is called jesus)

Acts 10:38,40,43(kjv)
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
( again, we were told that God anointed jesus,not that God is jesus or jesus is almighty God. We are also that because of these anointing , because jesus was ordained, we can receive forgiveness of sin if we believe in him.)

Phil 2:9:11 (kjv)
[b]Wherefore God also
hath highly exalted him, and
given him a name which is
above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue
should confess that Jesus
Christ is Lord, to the glory of
God the Father
( the person exalted is not the same person as the one exalting, God exalted jesus, and in verse 13 we know that that God is the father)

You can read john 14:6 and 1ti 2:5,6.

Look at how acts chapter 4 further described jesus in relation to the God they where praying to

Acts 4 : 26,27, 30(niv)
The kings of the earth
rise up and the rulers band
together against the Lord
and against his anointed one.
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

This scriptures above, prove your doctrine that jesus is almighty God to be false. You cannot explain or quote the scriptures above.

"Even thus His name is pronounced {Yah shoe Ya} which is from the Old Testament, Hebrew name Joshua" as we know it, as Jesus, and whoever believes in Jesus Christ can be saved.

Good , brocad , do you believe in jesus when he said he has a God?

{Romans 10:9-13} Jesus's name means "like Joshua's "God Saves or "God is salvation" or simply "salvation" which is essentially the same thing.

Good, and here are some other scriptures(below) to help you have a better understanding on why jesus bears that name.

1 john 4:14(kjv)
And we have seen and do
testify that the Father sent the
Son to be the Saviour of the
world.
Acts 5: 31(kjv)
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16(kjv)
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Brocab, God did not sent himself, he sent someone whose name is jesus to be our savior . We have no other name in which we can be saved , cus jesus has said no one can come to the father, except through him!

You can read
Heb 5:7 , ps 28:18

Here's something else for you, the Greek term that is sometimes translated "Church" refers to a group of worshippers, Not to a building they meet in.
When the apostle Paul wrote to the Christians in Rome, he sent greeting to a couple named Aquila and Priscilla, and added : greet the Church that meets in their home {Romans 16:5}
Meaning you have your head up your backside so deep, that you are finding it so hard to give it some air. Mr know it all...

So which group, out of the many different groups that claim to be christians do you associate with!


Note:
You have not risen up to the challenge.
"There is no mention of Jesus receiving gifts on his birthday, and I challenge you to refute my statement!

2. You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will not that you have not quoted and explained any of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
And a host of others ill add later.

Listen to you' you will lie about everything just to prove you are a true believer of the Jehovah Witnesses and not a believer of Christ, you use scriptures trying to better yourself, and yet none of them are making any sense to your point making.
Over time I have read your pages, and nothing you have to say is pleasant, between your words you act like you are in some kind of a competition, you have been trying to over ride the word of God, at your arguing point, you have denied Christ 100 fold over, even your bible holds the evidence, how much you all deny Christ.
Over time you have called the bible a misprint, or a mistake-and yet your bible hold these very same written scriptures, but still" you are trying to avoid these scriptures, using other scriptures that sounds like, Which I can understand, because your bible had been put through the mill, and the Watchtower had removed all scriptures that sound.
While you are trying to push those scriptures aside, hoping no-one will notice-you are making a mockery out of the JW's.
You are calling them liars.
How do you expect the Jehovah witnesses to reach out, if they have people like you, who say you are a JW and deny's their truth?
We viewers need to hear why the JW's believe Our Father God had taken Jesus authority away from Him {Revelation 1:7-8} New World Translation Bible declares our Father God had given all the authority to Jehovah God?
If you expect people to believe in your organization, you need to come up with the truth, stop removing or adding scriptures at your expense.
{Revelation 1:3} "Bless is the one who reads out loud the words of this prophesy, and blessed are those who hear it, and take it to heart what is written in it.
{Revelation 22:18-19} I testify to everyone who hears the words of this prophesy of this book. If anyone adds to them. God will add to them the plagues which are written in this book, and If anyone takes away from this book of this prophesy God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the Holy city. Which are written in the book, He who testifies of these things says "Yes I am coming quickly "Amen come Lord Jesus.
Again it say's clearly who's coming back, and it's not Jehovah God.
What are you telling me, you have never read the scriptures, when Jesus had received Gifts from 3 wise men on His birthday, .
Is this the very reason why your children don't receive gifts, nor have special times with their love ones.
KJ and the NWT both bibles {Matthew 2:11} "And after entering the house they saw the child with Mary His Mother, and they fell down and worshipped Him, then after opening their treasure chess, they presented to Him gifts.{Fit for a king' gifts of gold, frankincense,and myrrh.
Did you know Jesus was just a child receiving gifts, and your children receive none.
You expect me to answer all these scriptures for you, I have answered {Revelation 1:3-4-6} and you still refuse to answer and return the scriptures I have given you? The problem is you haven't the slightest idea how to respond to them, which is sad, because we could have a good understanding in bible literature.
Are you still going on about which Church I am attending, you name the Church Jesus attended too? and I will tell you which Church I attend too?
I can also add to this page all the scriptures the Watchtower had removed from your bible, or should I say misplace them? {Matthew 17:21, Matthew 18:11, 23:14. Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, all completely removed 16:9-20, you seperated or 12 verses of Mark. Luke 1:28, 17:36, 23:17, all completely removed, John 5:4, 7:53, 8:11. Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:6-8, 28:29. Romans 16:24} and these are just some scriptures the Watchtower had removed. It shows the Jehovah Witnesses are hiding the truth and they don't want the truth to be revealed.
Who's lying now Mr know it all.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

The time taken to write my post is not an issue here, dnt use it to change the topic.
I've exposed your lies and you could not respond to it.
I've used the scriptures to explain things to you, and you could not quote those scriptures, talkless of giving your contrary explanations of those.
And your lies are still standing high, you have denied the truth about your church, and your children, are not allowed to mix with others not belonging to the church.
I've responded, giving my own view on nearly all of the scriptures you quoted, supporting my understanding with other scriture verses. You on the other hand , have been running away from scriptures you are asked to explain.
I've giving a response to all the issues you've raised, using the scriptures as a guide, but once I give you an explanation, you will run away from the topic and bring another issue up.
The only response you could give to my explanation is that I should write a book. Those are words that could only be spoken by a politician.


Pls dnt give me a name to a church, I did not ask for name of churches. Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.


For your mind!

Pls just bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.

Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.


Everyone!?
Let's do a quick test of your knowledge about jesus .
Tell us, do you know that jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?

If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by jesus himself.

I thank God that you are not the one who gives or determines ones salvation!


It was you that went wild. A simple statement " the name of the church I associate with is so so and so" would have solved the question long time ago. Even if you attend More than one organization, telling us just one of them which you associate with is ok.
Penticostal churches have different denomination, organizations, beliefs, doctrines, authority. It is because they are different from each other, that's why they have different organizations and structures.

If you dnt associate with any, then you are not penticostal.

If you associate with some and accept their beliefs, then tell us their name(s).
If you associate with all cus they claim they are penticostal, then you are a drifter in whom the truth has no root, because it is evident not all penticostal churches agree with each others beliefs, and not all follow jesus teachings.


Again, we are not Talking about buildings, we are talking about organizations made up of a group of people. Dnt try to divert the issue using buildings.
Are you now changing your stance to say you dnt go to any meetings organized by a religious organization that has a name. Brocab, you keep on twisting and twisting, all because you dnt want to tell the name of the organization you associate with.


Yes its open , but its order, its organization is not. Neither is its, doctrines open for everyone to add its own to.
You differentiate this churches by their names and doctrines.

For example, we have seen churches that accept gay marriage, and we have seen churches that say gay marriage is a sin, since both churches are open to all, and they both claim to be Christian, brocab , do you attend both?



Good to note that your church is part of the world, that's why things of the world are left unchecked there.
Jesus has told us to be no part of the world!
Despite being no part of the world, jesus has told us to go out(from ur explanation above, I can bet you dnt know what "go out" means) into the world.
If your church is part of that world, then you are not going out.

Jesus did not only tell, he sets examples on how it is to be done. When he sent the disciples out, he did not tell them to travel from church to church, but to peoples home, seeking out meek hearted ones. The disciples did not only travel from church to church, but they preached in the market places, on streets and homes of people. Tell me brocad, which organization today does these best, the way jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

[Quote]All Thur through the years I have found some pretty interesting's findings, about other religions. I found there are many names given to God, but there is one name, that believers know' where they can be saved, and it is mentioned in {Acts 4:12} among many other places, "And their is no salvation in no-one else, for their is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
There are many names giving to God , but God himself told us his name, a name that the translation you believe in had tried to erase in most places where it occured. Even though people have different versions of that name,depending on language, they still refer to the same God.

Its good you mentioned acts 4: 12, ill quote it and other verses in acts chapter 4 to prove to you that your doctrine is false. And I can bet that you wunt reply on those verses.

I'm going to number the verses to seperate it from the other verses ill use to explain the verse numbered.

(1)acts chapter 4verse 10
Peter filled with holy spirit said this :
Acts 4:10(kjv)
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Brocab, did you notice peters words here? He made us understood that jesus died and God raised him up from the dead! The God peter mentioned here was not the one who died. Hence the God that peter was talking about was not jesus.
Do I have other scritures to surpport this explanation? Yes!

Acts 2:36(kjv)
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Three Thousand Believe
(God,{first person} made jesus {second person} to be the Christ)

Acts 2:24(kjv)
Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be
holden of it.
Acts 5:30 (kjv)
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
( the person peter called God here is not the same person as the one who was raised up. Peter knew who God almighty is, and he is not jesus)

(2) acts chapter 4 verse 11 and 12
(Kjv)
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Peter said there is no other name "given Among men". This means that someone gave that name to others, that they might be saved through that name.
Now who gave the name and who was giving(bears) that name?
Does having that name means the bearer is almighty God?
who is superior , the person who gave the name or the bearer of the name?
The scriptures help us to answer these questions .

Matt 1:21(kjv)
And she shall bring forth a
son, and thou shalt call his
name JESUS: for he shall
save his people from their
sins.
( the person through whom mankind will be saved is called jesus)

Acts 10:38,40,43(kjv)
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
( again, we were told that God anointed jesus,not that God is jesus or jesus is almighty God. We are also that because of these anointing , because jesus was ordained, we can receive forgiveness of sin if we believe in him.)

Phil 2:9:11 (kjv)
[b]Wherefore God also
hath highly exalted him, and
given him a name which is
above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue
should confess that Jesus
Christ is Lord, to the glory of
God the Father
( the person exalted is not the same person as the one exalting, God exalted jesus, and in verse 13 we know that that God is the father)

You can read john 14:6 and 1ti 2:5,6.

Look at how acts chapter 4 further described jesus in relation to the God they where praying to

Acts 4 : 26,27, 30(niv)
The kings of the earth
rise up and the rulers band
together against the Lord
and against his anointed one.
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

This scriptures above, prove your doctrine that jesus is almighty God to be false. You cannot explain or quote the scriptures above.

"Even thus His name is pronounced {Yah shoe Ya} which is from the Old Testament, Hebrew name Joshua" as we know it, as Jesus, and whoever believes in Jesus Christ can be saved.

Good , brocad , do you believe in jesus when he said he has a God?

{Romans 10:9-13} Jesus's name means "like Joshua's "God Saves or "God is salvation" or simply "salvation" which is essentially the same thing.
Good, and here are some other scriptures(below) to help you have a better understanding on why jesus bears that name.

1 john 4:14(kjv)
And we have seen and do
testify that the Father sent the
Son to be the Saviour of the
world.
Acts 5: 31(kjv)
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16(kjv)
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Brocab, God did not sent himself, he sent someone whose name is jesus to be our savior . We have no other name in which we can be saved , cus jesus has said no one can come to the father, except through him!

You can read
Heb 5:7 , ps 28:18

Here's something else for you, the Greek term that is sometimes translated "Church" refers to a group of worshippers, Not to a building they meet in.
When the apostle Paul wrote to the Christians in Rome, he sent greeting to a couple named Aquila and Priscilla, and added : greet the Church that meets in their home {Romans 16:5}
Meaning you have your head up your backside so deep, that you are finding it so hard to give it some air. Mr know it all...
So which group, out of the many different groups that claim to be christians do you associate with!


Note:
You have not risen up to the challenge.
"There is no mention of Jesus receiving gifts on his birthday, and I challenge you to refute my statement!

2. You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will not that you have not quoted and explained any of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
And a host of others ill add later.

@ brocab

Listen to you' you will lie about everything just to prove you are a true believer of the Jehovah Witnesses and not a believer of Christ, you use scriptures trying to better yourself, and yet none of them are making any sense to your point making.

It is one who cannot point to a particular lie that will say another person lies about everything. That you cannot contradict just one explanation I've giving you forces you to claim all as lies.

You keep saying I dnt believe in Christ, yet I've been quoting jesus words to you over and over again.
You keep saying you believe in Christ , yet you can't or refuse to answer if jesus said he has a God or not. So now who is denying Christ between me and you. The one quoting several scriptures citing jesus statements or the one refusing to quote, recognise, or explain those scripture verses.?

I did or do not use the scriptures I quoted to better myself, I used it to explain who jesus said he is, who the disciples told us jesus is.

You keep claiming that the scriptures I quoted and the explanations I gave do not make sense, yet you vehemently,totally, completely refuse to explain or give us your own views to the scriptures I quoted. It shows that your claim is based on the desperate need to discredit my points even though there is nothing you can use to do so. You can't even quote those verses, talkless of explaining them.

Over time I have read your pages, and nothing you have to say is pleasant, between your words you act like you are in some kind of a competition, you have been trying to over ride the word of God, at your arguing point, you have denied Christ 100 fold over, even your bible holds the evidence, how much you all deny Christ.

Brocab, I'm not supposed to be pleasant to someone who uses lies to achieve his aims. I'm not supposed to be pleasant when exposing lies.
I'm pleasant when discussing issues in which lies are not involved, but when someone starts lying to surpport a point, and start making false statement to surpport a false doctrine, there is no need to be pleasant .

I'm not in a competition with you, I'm just showing you that your different, ever changing views are full of falsehood and lies. But if you consider countering your different accusations as competition, I leave you to such view.

If you think quoting the scriptures to you is overiding the word of God, then you dnt know what overiding is!

Over time you have called the bible a misprint, or a mistake-and yet your bible hold these very same written scriptures,

Lies! , that's why you can't add prove where I said that! .

but still" you are trying to avoid these scriptures, using other scriptures that sounds like,

Maybe you have forgotten the saying, scripture explains scripture.
I know you will prefer scripture contradicts scripture, cus that's exactly what you are trying to do. You try to explain one scripture, but when you are being asked to quote another scripture that talks about something similar and give explanation on it too, you will quickly change the topic and refuse to quote or talk about that scripture. Up till now, to talk about john 20:17 is hard for you.

Which I can understand, because your bible had been put through the mill, and the Watchtower had removed all scriptures that sound.

All scripture that sound like what?

While you are trying to push those scriptures aside, hoping no-one will notice-you are making a mockery out of the JW's.
You are calling them liars.
How do you expect the Jehovah witnesses to reach out, if they have people like you, who say you are a JW and deny's their truth?

Again , I ask you like I asked you several times before, what truth is being said by jehovahs witnesses that I've denied on these thread. You keep saying I deny their truth,and yet you can't provide one instance in which I said so. What kind of person does that? A politician!

We viewers need to hear why the JW's believe Our Father God had taken Jesus authority away from Him

You are not a viewer brocab.
You need to first show where jehovahs witnesses had said the above! . When you make accusatory statements like this, add facts and not personal opinion to it.

{Revelation 1:7-8} New World Translation Bible declares our Father God had given all the authority to Jehovah God?

Stop lying brocab!
False statements wunt help you.

If you expect people to believe in your organization, you need to come up with the truth, stop removing or adding scriptures at your expense.

You need to prove that they are added or removed.

{Revelation 1:3} "Bless is the one who reads out loud the words of this prophesy, and blessed are those who hear it, and take it to heart what is written in it.
{Revelation 22:18-19} I testify to everyone who hears the words of this prophesy of this book. If anyone adds to them. God will add to them the plagues which are written in this book, and If anyone takes away from this book of this prophesy God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the Holy city. Which are written in the book, He who testifies of these things says "Yes I am coming quickly "Amen come Lord Jesus.
Again it say's clearly who's coming back, and it's not Jehovah God.

Ever ready to quote other verses, but never ready or willing to explain rev 1:1,6. Never willing to tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. Do so brocab, and ill explain who is coming to you!

Your adding the word " back " to the scriptures where is not mentioned is deliberate,it is done to create confusion which I will clear if you can just answer to the request of giving us your explanation on rev 1:1,6 and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2, 12.

What are you telling me, you have never read the scriptures, when Jesus had received Gifts from 3 wise men on His birthday, .
Is this the very reason why your children don't receive gifts, nor have special times with their love ones.
KJ and the NWT both bibles {Matthew 2:11} "And after entering the house they saw the child with Mary His Mother, and they fell down and worshipped Him, then after opening their treasure chess, they presented to Him gifts.{Fit for a king' gifts of gold, frankincense,and myrrh.
Did you know Jesus was just a child receiving gifts, and your children receive none.

Brocab! Can you see how much of a liar you are. Can you see how much you twist the scriptures to say what it did not say? Let's examine your lies
1. First lie: "3 wise men" .
No where in the scriptures where the astrologers(or Maggi) said to be 3 in number.
You lie brocab when you said they where 3. I dnt know why your bible calls them wise men. But we sure know they where astrologers and we are aware of God view about astrology!
If you can't show us where the scripture said they where 3 in number, dnt lie again that they where 3 in number.

2. Second lie : they gave jesus gifts on his birthday :

This is another lie by you brocab, there is no indication that they gave jesus gifts on his birthday, whether his first, second, third or any other birthday. The reason for the gifts where mentioned, it is not because of birthday, it is because of their believe that jesus is king! And gave him gifts as a king, not because he is celebrating his birthday.

The record of the event shows that they could not have met jesus the day he was born.
There seeing the star in the east, their travelling to Jerusalem, their meeting with herod, herod inquiry as to the location of jesus, could not have happened in one day! That's why some translations say it happened after jesus was born. So brocab, they could not have come to meet jesus on his birthday, neither did they give jesus gifts on or because of his birthday. Stating that jesus was giving gifts on his birthday is false and a lie.

Did you notice that they met jesus in a house and not in a manger?

Let me add scripture to show you that you are a liar.

Luke 2:22(kjv)
And when the days of her
purification according to the
law of Moses were
accomplished, they brought
him to Jerusalem, to present
him to the Lord;

Do you understand what this place is saying ? It is saying that jesus was taken to the temple about 40 days after jesus was born!
Could these event occur after the astrologers came to meet jesus? noooooo! It could only have occured before the astrologers came to meet jesus. Why? Cus the scriptures mentioned the event that happened after they came to meet jesus.
Luke 2:13,14(kjv)
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt.
Brocab , they did not wait 40 days after this to take the child to the temple before fleeing to egypt. This means that the astrologers came after jesus has been taken to the temple and then to a house. So stop lying cus you want to find a reason why you give your children gifts only on their birthdays.

Jehovahs witnesses enjoy the opportunity of giving gifts to their children and others everyday and anyday they choose in the year, they can give it as many times as they are capable of. They are not constrained to once in a year like you are.

You expect me to answer all these scriptures for you,

Answer as many as you can, its better than answering non!

I have answered {Revelation 1:3-4-6} and you still refuse to answer and return the scriptures I have given you?

You are lying brocab, show me where you quoted rev 1: 1,6 and added your understanding of those verses .
Like I said earlier , ill explain those scriptures once you have done as requested.

The problem is you haven't the slightest idea how to respond to them, which is sad, because we could have a good understanding in bible literature.

Test me and see, just quote and explain rev 1:1,6 and tell who is talking in rev 3:2,12, and then see if I wunt respond to them .

Are you still going on about which Church I am attending, you name the Church Jesus attended too? and I will tell you which Church I attend too?

Its plain to see that you wunt tell the church you associate with. You claim to be born again, but you dnt know the name of your church. You surpport technology but you can't release the official website of your church. Now you have resorted to asking silly questions that even non christians are ashamed to ask, so that you can find another way in not telling people the name of the organization you associate with. Brocab, jesus is not a Christian , so stop asking silly questions to create a diversion.

I can also add to this page all the scriptures the Watchtower had removed from your bible, or should I say misplace them? {Matthew 17:21, Matthew 18:11, 23:14. Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, all completely removed 16:9-20, you seperated or 12 verses of Mark. Luke 1:28, 17:36, 23:17, all completely removed, John 5:4, 7:53, 8:11. Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:6-8, 28:29. Romans 16:24} and these are just some scriptures the Watchtower had removed. It shows the Jehovah Witnesses are hiding the truth and they don't want the truth to be revealed.
Who's lying now Mr know it all.

Trying to divert from the issues under discussion again brocab!?
The last time we discussed this issue, you change it after seeing my explanations, you refused to continue the discussion after I asked you why the king james version removed the name of God in most places where it occured in the scriptures.
If you want to discuss again about these, then continue from where we stopped on the issue and answer the question on why the kjv removed the name of God in hundreds of places where it occured in the scriptures.
This removal has affected your knowledge on who the true God is:

Note :
you have refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....[/b]


brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, jesus is not God almighty !

It shows you are beating your head against the wall, and it clearly shows you are upsetting yourself over words, to be honest no-one is listening to you-nor I, 3 wise men who cares' it shows you are trying to cover up about the question asked in the first place, calling me a liar won't protect you from the word of God.
It shows this is upsetting you deeply, you are starting to be picky about everything I write to you, The word of God isn't about an argument, so you need to cool off, and stop getting yourself all worked up.
I would like to see you in action, I can imagine how high your temperature would be rating at this present moment, if I am writing to you about the word of God, you seem to go into a rage which is overly rated with all your demands, first we started of with Revelation 1:7-8, which you couldn't answer, and then you jump to 1:6, to try and prove a point which I have answered, and you found that question wasn't good enough for you, than without asking me, you have decide to lay down your demands and expecting me to answer everything you layout. I don't answer to hypocrites to well.
If it is upsetting you that much, that you feel you have to spend all night writing a page against me, then Its best for you to stop replying.
Who really cares how many wise men, the point was "Jesus received gifts given for a King on His birthday" while you make sure your children receive none.
If the word of God is getting you down, than you need to pull yourself up, and stop writing, listen none of us are really interesting to each other, your not interested hearing the truth about Christ, nor am I interested in hearing about your religious beliefs, because with my own personal beliefs I know it's a lie from the beginning, {Jesus said judge them by their fruit} Matter of fact you speak highly about your Jehovah god and less about Jesus.
I believe it is best for you to stop returning my pages, and let your children suffer because some bright spark called Himself a Freemason had changed the word of God for his own benefits, knowing through his car yard sales tips he will always draw people in like you to spend eternity with him in Hell.
Just admit your pride your not interested in Christ, nor the things He had written in word-with proving outstanding evidence the Watchtower had either removed or changed the scriptures. Nor are you interested to be saved by Him.
As blind as you are' you wouldn't see the truth if it is written in front of you, nor if Jesus was standing, you wouldn't recolonize Him either.
You have heard the good news and you have rejected it, misquoted it, mistaken it, and misprinted it, and still I say to you its never to late, but remember tomorrow never comes.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab


It is one who cannot point to a particular lie that will say another person lies about everything. That you cannot contradict just one explanation I've giving you forces you to claim all as lies.

You keep saying I dnt believe in Christ, yet I've been quoting jesus words to you over and over again.
You keep saying you believe in Christ , yet you can't or refuse to answer if jesus said he has a God or not. So now who is denying Christ between me and you. The one quoting several scriptures citing jesus statements or the one refusing to quote, recognise, or explain those scripture verses.?

I did or do not use the scriptures I quoted to better myself, I used it to explain who jesus said he is, who the disciples told us jesus is.

You keep claiming that the scriptures I quoted and the explanations I gave do not make sense, yet you vehemently,totally, completely refuse to explain or give us your own views to the scriptures I quoted. It shows that your claim is based on the desperate need to discredit my points even though there is nothing you can use to do so. You can't even quote those verses, talkless of explaining them.


Brocab, I'm not supposed to be pleasant to someone who uses lies to achieve his aims. I'm not supposed to be pleasant when exposing lies.
I'm pleasant when discussing issues in which lies are not involved, but when someone starts lying to surpport a point, and start making false statement to surpport a false doctrine, there is no need to be pleasant .

I'm not in a competition with you, I'm just showing you that your different, ever changing views are full of falsehood and lies. But if you consider countering your different accusations as competition, I leave you to such view.

If you think quoting the scriptures to you is overiding the word of God, then you dnt know what overiding is!


Lies! , that's why you can't add prove where I said that! .

Maybe you have forgotten the saying, scripture explains scripture.
I know you will prefer scripture contradicts scripture, cus that's exactly what you are trying to do. You try to explain one scripture, but when you are being asked to quote another scripture that talks about something similar and give explanation on it too, you will quickly change the topic and refuse to quote or talk about that scripture. Up till now, to talk about john 20:17 is hard for you.


All scripture that sound like what?


Again , I ask you like I asked you several times before, what truth is being said by jehovahs witnesses that I've denied on these thread. You keep saying I deny their truth,and yet you can't provide one instance in which I said so. What kind of person does that? A politician!

You are not a viewer brocab.
You need to first show where jehovahs witnesses had said the above! . When you make accusatory statements like this, add facts and not personal opinion to it.


Stop lying brocab!
False statements wunt help you.

You need to prove that they are added or removed.


Ever ready to quote other verses, but never ready or willing to explain rev 1:1,6. Never willing to tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. Do so brocab, and ill explain who is coming to you!

Your adding the word " back " to the scriptures where is not mentioned is deliberate,it is done to create confusion which I will clear if you can just answer to the request of giving us your explanation on rev 1:1,6 and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2, 12.



Brocab! Can you see how much of a liar you are. Can you see how much you twist the scriptures to say what it did not say? Let's examine your lies
1. First lie: "3 wise men" .
No where in the scriptures where the astrologers(or Maggi) said to be 3 in number.
You lie brocab when you said they where 3. I dnt know why your bible calls them wise men. But we sure know they where astrologers and we are aware of God view about astrology!
If you can't show us where the scripture said they where 3 in number, dnt lie again that they where 3 in number.

2. Second lie : they gave jesus gifts on his birthday :

This is another lie by you brocab, there is no indication that they gave jesus gifts on his birthday, whether his first, second, third or any other birthday. The reason for the gifts where mentioned, it is not because of birthday, it is because of their believe that jesus is king! And gave him gifts as a king, not because he is celebrating his birthday.

The record of the event shows that they could not have met jesus the day he was born.
There seeing the star in the east, their travelling to Jerusalem, their meeting with herod, herod inquiry as to the location of jesus, could not have happened in one day! That's why some translations say it happened after jesus was born. So brocab, they could not have come to meet jesus on his birthday, neither did they give jesus gifts on or because of his birthday. Stating that jesus was giving gifts on his birthday is false and a lie.

Did you notice that they met jesus in a house and not in a manger?

Let me add scripture to show you that you are a liar.

Luke 2:22(kjv)
And when the days of her
purification according to the
law of Moses were
accomplished, they brought
him to Jerusalem, to present
him to the Lord;

Do you understand what this place is saying ? It is saying that jesus was taken to the temple about 40 days after jesus was born!
Could these event occur after the astrologers came to meet jesus? noooooo! It could only have occured before the astrologers came to meet jesus. Why? Cus the scriptures mentioned the event that happened after they came to meet jesus.
Luke 2:13,14(kjv)
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt.
Brocab , they did not wait 40 days after this to take the child to the temple before fleeing to egypt. This means that the astrologers came after jesus has been taken to the temple and then to a house. So stop lying cus you want to find a reason why you give your children gifts only on their birthdays.

Jehovahs witnesses enjoy the opportunity of giving gifts to their children and others everyday and anyday they choose in the year, they can give it as many times as they are capable of. They are not constrained to once in a year like you are.


Answer as many as you can, its better than answering non!


You are lying brocab, show me where you quoted rev 1: 1,6 and added your understanding of those verses .
Like I said earlier , ill explain those scriptures once you have done as requested.


Test me and see, just quote and explain rev 1:1,6 and tell who is talking in rev 3:2,12, and then see if I wunt respond to them .


Its plain to see that you wunt tell the church you associate with. You claim to be born again, but you dnt know the name of your church. You surpport technology but you can't release the official website of your church. Now you have resorted to asking silly questions that even non christians are ashamed to ask, so that you can find another way in not telling people the name of the organization you associate with. Brocab, jesus is not a Christian , so stop asking silly questions to create a diversion.



Trying to divert from the issues under discussion again brocab!?
The last time we discussed this issue, you change it after seeing my explanations, you refused to continue the discussion after I asked you why the king james version removed the name of God in most places where it occured in the scriptures.
If you want to discuss again about these, then continue from where we stopped on the issue and answer the question on why the kjv removed the name of God in hundreds of places where it occured in the scriptures.
This removal has affected your knowledge on who the true God is:

Note :
you have refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....[/b]


brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, jesus is not God almighty !

@ brocab.

It shows you are beating your head against the wall,

Nop, I'm not beating my head against any wall.

and it clearly shows you are upsetting yourself over words,

Nop, I'm not upsetting myself over words.

to be honest no-one is listening to you-nor I,

That's what you think.

3 wise men who cares'

People care, lying cus you think people dnt care is even worse that just lying. Also the subtle use of wise men confuses people from knowing that those astrologers that gave gifts to jesus actually practices something detestable in the eyes of jehovah, astrology.
Using them as an example of birthday gifts shows that you will be happy if fortune tellers and astrologers come to your house and give your child gifts on his/her birthday.

it shows you are trying to cover up about the question asked in the first place, calling me a liar won't protect you from the word of God.

What question was asked? Who asked the question?
You went on a lying spree about how jesus got gifts on his birthday, I've used the scripture to show you that you lied , that those astrologers where no where near jesus on the day he was born. You can't refute that, you can't offer any contrary explanation, all you can say is to formulate an off topic about emotion!.

It shows this is upsetting you deeply, you are starting to be picky about everything I write to you,

The moment its a lie, a false statement or a false doctrine, ill point you to it, either for you to give further explanation or to tell you its false. At least you have been trying to do the same thing against jehovahs witnesses for months now!. The difference is that they had successfully showed you , using the scriptures that you are the one lying, and anytime you are being exposed, you change the topic!

The word of God isn't about an argument, so you need to cool off, and stop getting yourself all worked up.

Nop, I'm not worked up, rather you are the one who have been making snide remarks about me throughout.

I would like to see you in action, I can imagine how high your temperature would be rating at this present moment,

Sorry to dissapoint you, I Strive to remain cool, calm and collected while passing my points or message. I also try not to make aspersions about peoples emotional or health status. I try to stick with issues under discussion.

if I am writing to you about the word of God, you seem to go into a rage which is overly rated with all your demands,

Nop , I dnt go into a rage.
My requests on the scriptures and my questions are accumulating cus you refused to answer any of them .

first we started of with Revelation 1:7-8, which you couldn't answer, and then you jump to 1:6, to try and prove a point which I have answered, and you found that question wasn't good enough for you, than without asking me, you have decide to lay down your demands and expecting me to answer everything you layout. I don't answer to hypocrites to well.

We did not start with rev 1:7,8. There are lots of scriptures you've left unanswered before those verses . Like I've said before, to understand verses 7 and 8 of revelation chapter 1. One must first address things raised by verse 1 to 6 of rev chapter 1. Not understanding verse 1 and 6 will not allow you to understand verse 7 and 8. So I request you to pls find time and explain verse one and six and then we go on the verse 7 and 8.
You lie anytime you say you've quoted and explained verse 1 and 6.

I dnt expect you to answer all, answer the ones you can.

If it is upsetting you that much, that you feel you have to spend all night writing a page against me, then Its best for you to stop replying.

Its not upsetting me, so dnt worry ok.

Who really cares how many wise men, the point was "Jesus received gifts given for a King on His birthday" while you make sure your children receive none.

I purposefully seperated the two lies you posted on that issue, the first lie is to give the astrologers a definite number, something the scriptures never did. You cannot refute my explanation on that lie of yours, all you can say is " who cares" . Brocab, people care about formulating things, claiming the scriptures said things that it did not say. Stick to the truth and stop saying " 3 wise men" again! Cus its not true! .

The second lie had to do with the claim that the astrologers came to meet jesus on his birthday. Brocad, looking at the events that occured during jesus birth,
1. The astrologers could not have travelled from the east, met with herod and then saw jesus on the same day he was born. So you lie when claiming they gave gifts to jesus on his birthday.
2. The astrologers where pagans who worship false Gods, therefore there actions should not be a prelude to your actions today.
3. Events that happened shortly after they left jesus should they could only have met jesus long after jesus had been born. At least not until after the first 30 days!
4. The scriptures never ever said jesus was celebrating or ever celebrated his birthday.
5. The gifts giving to jesus where giving to him cus they saw jesus as the king of the Jews, a title which they had expressed previously and which is the main reason that brought them to Jerusalem.
In there meeting with herod, they signified that this king has already been born.

So you lie when you say jesus received gifts on his birthday and you could not provide proof that jesus celebrated any birthday.

In fact, brocab you cannot provide a single, just one evidence, from genesis to revelation of the numerous loyal servants of jehovah, who are said to celebrate their own birthday. The word "birthday celebration" cannot be found to associate with loyal servants of jehovah as part of their celebrations.

Pls stop lying about others giving gifts to their children cus you want to sound good.

If the word of God is getting you down, than you need to pull yourself up, and stop writing,

Sorry, the word of God is not pulling me down, that's why I like to quote it extensively.

listen none of us are really interesting to each other,

Yep, that's why I'm trying to focus on only what you say and compare it with the scriptures and the truth and try my best to ignore personal matters. That's why I'm trying to talk only about the scriptures and not on personal opinion or someone else health or emotional status .

your not interested hearing the truth about Christ,

I'm verry much interested, that's why I've been asking you several questions but getting no answers .

nor am I interested in hearing about your religious beliefs,

Yes I know, you are only interested in discrediting them and lying about their beliefs. You've surely shown that you are not interested in hearing about them!.

because with my own personal beliefs I know it's a lie from the beginning, {Jesus said judge them by their fruit} Matter of fact you speak highly about your Jehovah god and less about Jesus.

Haba! , but I thought you claimed they are the same person, have you changed your views so quickly?
Moreover, 80 percent of the scripture I've quoted and the questions I've asked are about jesus and not jehovah. So your claim is false again.

I believe it is best for you to stop returning my pages, and let your children suffer because some bright spark called Himself a Freemason had changed the word of God for his own benefits, knowing through his car yard sales tips he will always draw people in like you to spend eternity with him in Hell.

Sorry , that request cannot be granted. You want the freedom to continue spilling false things.

My children are not suffering and will not suffer, they enjoy wholesome family outings any gifts throughout the year and not once in a year.

Just admit your pride your not interested in Christ, nor the things He had written in word-with proving outstanding evidence the Watchtower had either removed or changed the scriptures. Nor are you interested to be saved by Him.

I've asked you numerous, ever increasing number of questions about jesus and his statements, up till now, you have no answer to give.
Brocab, I've told you I believe the words found in john 17:3, I've quoted to you several times, explained it to you several times. You have not quoted or explained that verse ONCE! , you are the one not interested in jesus cus jesus teachings is contrary to your beliefs, that's why you can't quote and explain the scriptures where jesus made certain statements.

You keep claiming someone or some people removed from the scriptures, yet you cant provide proof. You keep running from the question of why the king james version removed Gods name in most places it occured in the scriptures!

As blind as you are' you wouldn't see the truth if it is written in front of you, nor if Jesus was standing, you wouldn't recolonize Him either.

And yet I could quote and explain the scriptures about jesus that you can't quote, talkless of explain!

You have heard the good news and you have rejected it, misquoted it, mistaken it, and misprinted it,

All you have to do is show proof, answer the questions I've asked and quote and explain the scriptures I've written down for you, you dnt need to do all at once. Then the whole world will know if you are telling the truth.

and still I say to you its never to late, but remember tomorrow never comes.

Ok



Note :
Brocab, you have still refused to:

[b](1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.[/b]

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty !

It don't take rocket science to work this out. When a natural man is born his spirit is born into sin, when Jesus was born his Spirit is the Holy Spirit, and their is no sin to be found.
One who became flesh and One spirit can only add up to be One man. If God was a man, and Jesus a man, then it would add up to two men, but the bible clearly tells us God is Spirit, sending His Son Jesus in the flesh to live amongst men, and God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit {Acts 10:38} God's Spirit living inside Him. No-one has seen god at any time, because God is Spirit. And One Spirit and one flesh makes one man. And everything Jesus done God was with Him 100% until Jesus made His final leap and took on all the sins of the world, while the temple was torn in two from top to bottom and the Holy Spirit had departed, that's when Jesus felt God's presents had left Him. Their was no sin found in God, but man alone.
And this is why we believe in the Trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are all One the same. You believe otherwise, you believe the Holy Spirit is some kind of God's active force. And you believe Jesus the Son of God was Michael the archangel. And as the bible reads it out clearly, God never made any of His angels Sons.
{Hebrews 1:5} "For to which of the angels did God ever say "You are My Son, today I have become your Father? Or again I will be His Father and He will be My Son?
{Hebrews 1:13} To which of the angels did God ever say Sit at My Right Hand until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.
This is how it must sound in the New World Translation Bible, And the archangel had sent his active force to teach us all things. Question? How does an active force react on spending any time teaching, an active force would be like something say a sharp flash of light. That couldn't stay on to long.
Jesus sent The Holy Spirit to teach us all things, so this give us some kind of a good description of Him, He is patient, kind and gentle, knowledgeable a Spirit with Holy wisdom, ready to sit down and teach believers all over the world about the word of God' at the same time.
And this is why Jesus made it sound so important, One must become a born again Christian, before he can enter into the kingdom of God, the bible clearly states no-one can enter in any other way, so the Spirit of God can only teach those who have accepted Christ, as their Lord and savour.
This is the Church I belong too. The same Church Jesus had made with His disciples, we are a Church that spreads far across the nations, Church buildings with names are used as a glide line helping people to find them, Jesus lives in the hearts of all those who chose to believe, we don't need large Church names to build up our Spiritual knowledge with God, Jesus said when two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the mist of us.

{Matthew 2:1-13} Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the wise men asked where is He who has been born king of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the east and have come to worship Him, then Herod asked them where the Christ the anointed was to be Born They replied to Him in Bethlehem.
By the description king Herod gave, Jesus wasn't born yet.

{V's 9} After hearing the king they went their way and behold the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them leading the way, until it stood over a place where the young Child was, when they saw the star they rejoice excendingly with great joy, And after they entered the house they saw the Child with Mary the Mother and they fell down and worshipped Him.
{If that aren't a celebration that Jesus is born? Wow who knows how your mind thinks} {V's12} the wise men were warned in a dream not to go back to Herod they returned to their country by another route. {V13} Now when they had gone, an angel of the Lord had appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, Get up now and take Mary and the Child with you and flee to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you. {So it shows after the wise men were warned, soon after Joseph was warned by the angel too} because Herod is going to search for the Child to kill Him. later it was told Herod gave orders to kill every child two years old and under, in accordance with the time He had learn from the Magi.

{So of course by this description Herod was waiting quite a while for the wise men to return, we could look at it the other way the wise men had seen Jesus at the age of 2 years or under, But that doesn't sound right either, because it's only written in Matthew, and none of the other disciples, had really spoken about the birth of Jesus, only Luke which don't really fall in line with the other scripture in Matthew.
So it is highly implausible that the wise men would arrive in Jerusalem at night and immediately obtain an audience with Herod. The king that gathered all the chief priest and scribes of the people, so He could determine where the Messiah was to be born.
The experts told Herod where the Messiah needed to be born in Bethlehem, which was predicted in {Micah 5:2} So the wise men departed and made their approximately 6 mile journey to Bethlehem. So if they were to meet Herod during the day, and they left early in the night, this may have given themselves still time after midnight after Jesus was born in the manager. Not 2 years or less later.
As I have search the scriptures, and both scriptures don't line up with each other about the wise men it shows people are left with their own interpretations on this matter.

In that time flame the shepherds would look after their flocks of sheep every year around march April the sheep were ready to give birth to their lambs, when Jesus was born. Now the signs had appeared to both the wise men and the shepherds by night to witness the Messiah the king of the Jews is born
{Luke 2:8-20} An angel had appeared to the shepherds and led them to the manger at night.
Jesus is known to be the lamb of God {John 1:29}

@ brocab
You dnt want me to see your reply? Or you dnt want to quote the numerous questions and scriptures posted to you?

{Matthew 2:1-13} Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the wise men asked where is He who has been born king of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the east and have come to worship Him, then Herod asked them where the Christ the anointed was to be Born They replied to Him in Bethlehem.
By the description king Herod gave [/u]Jesus wasn't born yet.[/u]

Brocab , look at the bolded and look at how you contradicted it with the underlined.

In your own words you have shown yourself to be a liar.

Let's look at those verses again so as to expose this your false theory .
I'm going to quote the first sentence in Matt 2 :1 from different translations .

Matt 2:1
[b]New International Version
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem........

New Living Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem......

English Standard Version
Now after Jesus was born in
Bethlehem of Judea in the
days of Herod the king,
behold, wise men from the
east came to Jerusalem,

Berean Study Bible
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem.......

Berean Literal Bible
Now Jesus having been born.......

New American Standard
Bible
Now after Jesus was born.....

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was born in
Bethlehem......

Holman Christian Standard
Bible
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem.......

International Standard
Version
After Jesus had been born in
Bethlehem.......

NET Bible
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem......

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem
in Judea when Herod was
king. After Jesus' birth wise
men from the east arrived in
Jerusalem.

New American Standard
1977
Now after Jesus was born in
Bethlehem....

Young's Literal Translation
And Jesus having been born
in Beth-Lehem.......[/b]

Brocab , do you see that these scripture verse says jesus had been born, that it was AFTER the birth of jesus that the astrologers came to meet herod?
But in your own mind, and after reading this verse, you still say jesus has not been born yet! Wow!

Did you read very well the statement of the astrologers in verse 2.?
"Saying, Where is he that is
born King of the Jews?"

They did not say "will be born" , they believe jesus has already been born.

Because the astrologers and scripture statements shows jesus had been born, you decided to derive your false doctrine from herods statement . Brocab, herod did not ask when the child is to be be born, he asked WHERE the child is to be born. His question was based on a prophecy which was made long ago detailing where the messiah is to be born.
So turning where to when so as to achieve your false theory
Herod knew nothing about the child, hence herod could not have described that the child was not born yet. In trying to know the date about the childs birth , he inquired from the astrologers about the time they saw the star. The astrologers apparently had seen the star weeks if not months ago, cus they saw it in the east and it would have taken them time to get to Jerusalem, and more time see herod. Therefore your story to claim that jesus was born after they met with herod is false.

{V's 9} After hearing the king they went their way and behold the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them leading the way, until it stood over a place where the young Child was, when they saw the star they rejoice excendingly with great joy, And after they entered the house they saw the Child with Mary the Mother and they fell down and worshipped Him.
{If that aren't a celebration that Jesus is born? Wow who knows how your mind thinks}

Brocab, its not a celebration of jesus being born, they where full of joy cus they found the location of the king of the Jews, they had previously stated that they know that jesus had been born.

The shephereds went to see jesus, they saw him the day he was born in a MANGER. Jesus and his mother where already in a HOUSE by the time the astrologers came.

{V's12} the wise men were warned in a dream not to go back to Herod they returned to their country another route. {V13} Now when they had gone, an angel of the Lord had appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, Get up and take Mary and the Child with you and flee to Egypt. {So it shows after the wise men were warned, soon after Joseph was warned by the angel} because Herod is going to search for the Child to kill Him.

So after these warning, they now still waited in Bethlehem for 40 days! Before they now fled to egypt? Brocab you can lie o!
That they fled after the visit of the astrologers, shows that the astrologers came only after jesus had been taken to the temple.!

later it was told Herod gave orders to kill every child two years old and under, in accordance with the time He had learn from the Magi.
{So of course by this description Herod was waiting quite a while for the wise men to return, we could look at it the other way the wise men had seen Jesus at the age of 2 years or under, But that doesn't sound right either} Because that time of the year is when new lambs are born around March April, and it is the time the shepherds would look after their flocks {Luke 2:8-20} An angel had appeared to the shepherds and led them to the manger where the eastern star had led the wise men to the birth of Jesus.
Jesus is known to be the lamb of God {John 1:29}

The day you stop formulating false statement, you will start to understand the truth them .

You are saying herod who was visibly worried about the birth of the messiah waited 2 years before deciding to kill those children in Bethlehem? This logic is totally wrong.

Let's try a better one .
Chapter 1 of Matt ended with jesus being born, chapter 2 started with events that happened after jesus was born. The astrologers travelled from the east to Jerusalem , this took time,(weeks if not months) they saw herod , this took another time , herod called the priests in Jerusalem( another time taken) They travelled from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, saw jesus and left. All these could not have happened in one day, it could have happened over a period of two years .
The time herod decided to kill the children and the time Joseph received the warning is very short. These we can deduce from the scriptures
"And when they were
departed, behold, the angel of
the Lord appeareth to Joseph
in a dream, saying, Arise, and
take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt,
and be thou there until I bring
thee word: for Herod will seek
the young child to destroy him.
14 When he arose, he took the
young child and his mother by
night, and departed into Egypt:

They would not have been told to arise and flee for an event that will happen 2 years later.

"Then Herod, when he saw
that he was mocked of the
wise men, was exceeding
wroth, and sent forth, and slew
all the children that were in
Bethlehem, and in all the
coasts thereof, from two years
old and under, according to
the time which he had
diligently inquired of the wise
men."
Brocab, herod would not have waited 2 years or so staying worried before killing those children.

Even though the term " new lambs does not have any scriptural backing, nor does the April /may false theory follow scripture timetable about the life of jesus,there is no linkage between the events of the shepherds and the events of the astrologers.
If jesus was born in April/ may, then jesus could not have died in nissan, but the scriptures told us jesus died in Nissan, so jesus could not have been born in Nissan.
Its left for you to prove the "new lamb" theory. But we know for certain, the shepherds saw jesus where he was born , but the astrologers did not see jesus where the shepherds saw jesus. So we can believe that the astrologers saw jesus long time after they had seen the star in the east. And shortly after they left , Joseph fled with his family to egypt , shorthly after that, herod killed the children

I see you are twisting my words again.
Just want to ask' are you partly blind? Herod said where "was" the Messiah "was" to be born, not "is" to be born. Using my own interpretation, "was" hasn't happen yet, And if it did, then it didn't take days to see the child, nor years, the wise men seen Him while the shepherds were still there at the manager, glorifying His name celebrating his name and giving Him gifts to the Messiah they were told He is the king of the Jews who had finally come.
They didn't find where Jesus was born. they were led to where he was born. And told He is the Messiah the king of the Jews
And I am not expecting a prick like you to insult me every time you think I am speaking out of line, you have insulted my bible since you have been on line with me, you aren't insulting me directly you are insulting Jesus. You really believe your bible or the Watchtower mags are correct We all know your bible does not line up with the King James nor does it line up with any other bible, it's a one off, that has missing scriptures. What you believe in, will never line up with me. I am reading it from my bible, that you call a misprint, or you say its false.
And what you believe I think it's funny, you believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, and God made the archangel to be His son. And your trying to prove to me no-one is laughing at you.
I just wanted to ask one Question did Jesus spread out His wings and fly to Heaven, all did God take Him to heaven? This is how your silly your questions sound to me when I am reading them, it sounds more like mocking then asking.
And without guessing as you do at all times, back up your theories and show me where in scripture where the wise men had seen Jesus after 40 day's He arrived back from the temple? And show me in scripture where Mary rented out a house in that time period? So we viewers can see the truth about Jesus.
Matthew 1 Jesus wasn't born until chapter 2, so here you are twisting the scriptures again, you should learn how to read the bible correctly. I wish your church allowed you to read from other view points about the scriptures, it would open up a hole new meaning for you to understand these verses clearly, God uses men and women to show us different ways the scriptures are read-you wouldn't jump in so quickly calling me a lair, because their's so many view points to pick from, this is how one gets Himself deeper into the word. Most times you come up with the most silliest answers, and you want people to believe in you, but you don't back it up with word to prove your theories, you must know that's what I believe this forum is all about for us to learn from each other, not just because you say so?
I have tried to read between the lines, it's funny you say one thing and write another, I took it from you, with a little guessing how long the wise men had travelled and now you are denying your own words. But none of it made sense, nor with your new theory after the 40 day period, Where in the bible is it written?
You do this all the time, and you have the cheek calling me a lair? Fair enough your not ready to know what time of year the sheep gave birth to their lambs, In what months, but keep it in mind, because one day someone may teach to you about this subject, and you will have some sort of an idea, But if you learn about the Jewish times of the year, Jesus was born in those times, because its the time of the year the shepherds could spend any time in the desert, other then that it's too cold at night.
See most people believe Jesus was born in Dec, but that's not true, and of course they celebrate His birthday on the 25th.
There is so much information out their that's ready to be picked, and theirs so many ways to learn about the bible, Christians love sharing their different views how God would like us to preform in our Christian walk. But the Spirit of God gives us discernment between the goods and the bad's, which I love most.
Some of the things I have come across is totally over the top, I quickly turn the page. This is one thing I love about believing in Christ is learning all the time, it never stops, its on going to seek His kingdom, but if I was bound to learn from just one Church, my understanding of the bible, would be Nil. And the training and the teachings I would retrieve, I could be bound like you, not knowing what the other part of the body is doing, while I am learning a Nil, my teacher could be teaching me a pack of lies, like the lie the Churches preach about tithing and Christmas day-and Michael the archangel came to earth calling himself Jesus. This is why the Spirit has given us discernment.

But you must admit to yourself you are actually reading the bible, and it's not from your own, so you have to be seeing the differences between the two, and had you noticed your bible haven't any of those scriptures that's needed for the body of Christ, to feed His people in growth, having the wisdom and knowledge sure helps us receive our strength to stand up against the demons the darkness and the principalities if this world. this is why it's important not to remove scriptures of any kind from the bible. The word of God strengthens us daily as we seek His word.
And if you deny this, then it proves you are a lair and the truth is not in you.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab
You dnt want me to see your reply? Or you dnt want to quote the numerous questions and scriptures posted to you?


Brocab , look at the bolded and look at how you contradicted it with the underlined.

In your own words you have shown yourself to be a liar.

Let's look at those verses again so as to expose this your false theory .
I'm going to quote the first sentence in Matt 2 :1 from different translations .

Matt 2:1
[b]New International Version
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem........

New Living Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem......

English Standard Version
Now after Jesus was born in
Bethlehem of Judea in the
days of Herod the king,
behold, wise men from the
east came to Jerusalem,

Berean Study Bible
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem.......

Berean Literal Bible
Now Jesus having been born.......

New American Standard
Bible
Now after Jesus was born.....

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was born in
Bethlehem......

Holman Christian Standard
Bible
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem.......

International Standard
Version
After Jesus had been born in
Bethlehem.......

NET Bible
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem......

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem
in Judea when Herod was
king. After Jesus' birth wise
men from the east arrived in
Jerusalem.

New American Standard
1977
Now after Jesus was born in
Bethlehem....

Young's Literal Translation
And Jesus having been born
in Beth-Lehem.......[/b]

Brocab , do you see that these scripture verse says jesus had been born, that it was AFTER the birth of jesus that the astrologers came to meet herod?
But in your own mind, and after reading this verse, you still say jesus has not been born yet! Wow!

Did you read very well the statement of the astrologers in verse 2.?
"Saying, Where is he that is
born King of the Jews?"

They did not say "will be born" , they believe jesus has already been born.

Because the astrologers and scripture statements shows jesus had been born, you decided to derive your false doctrine from herods statement . Brocab, herod did not ask when the child is to be be born, he asked WHERE the child is to be born. His question was based on a prophecy which was made long ago detailing where the messiah is to be born.
So turning where to when so as to achieve your false theory
Herod knew nothing about the child, hence herod could not have described that the child was not born yet. In trying to know the date about the childs birth , he inquired from the astrologers about the time they saw the star. The astrologers apparently had seen the star weeks if not months ago, cus they saw it in the east and it would have taken them time to get to Jerusalem, and more time see herod. Therefore your story to claim that jesus was born after they met with herod is false.



Brocab, its not a celebration of jesus being born, they where full of joy cus they found the location of the king of the Jews, they had previously stated that they know that jesus had been born.

The shephereds went to see jesus, they saw him the day he was born in a MANGER. Jesus and his mother where already in a HOUSE by the time the astrologers came.



So after these warning, they now still waited in Bethlehem for 40 days! Before they now fled to egypt? Brocab you can lie o!
That they fled after the visit of the astrologers, shows that the astrologers came only after jesus had been taken to the temple.!


The day you stop formulating false statement, you will start to understand the truth them .

You are saying herod who was visibly worried about the birth of the messiah waited 2 years before deciding to kill those children in Bethlehem? This logic is totally wrong.

Let's try a better one .
Chapter 1 of Matt ended with jesus being born, chapter 2 started with events that happened after jesus was born. The astrologers travelled from the east to Jerusalem , this took time,(weeks if not months) they saw herod , this took another time , herod called the priests in Jerusalem( another time taken) They travelled from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, saw jesus and left. All these could not have happened in one day, it could have happened over a period of two years .
The time herod decided to kill the children and the time Joseph received the warning is very short. These we can deduce from the scriptures
"And when they were
departed, behold, the angel of
the Lord appeareth to Joseph
in a dream, saying, Arise, and
take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt,
and be thou there until I bring
thee word: for Herod will seek
the young child to destroy him.
14 When he arose, he took the
young child and his mother by
night, and departed into Egypt:

They would not have been told to arise and flee for an event that will happen 2 years later.

"Then Herod, when he saw
that he was mocked of the
wise men, was exceeding
wroth, and sent forth, and slew
all the children that were in
Bethlehem, and in all the
coasts thereof, from two years
old and under, according to
the time which he had
diligently inquired of the wise
men."
Brocab, herod would not have waited 2 years or so staying worried before killing those children.

Even though the term " new lambs does not have any scriptural backing, nor does the April /may false theory follow scripture timetable about the life of jesus,there is no linkage between the events of the shepherds and the events of the astrologers.
If jesus was born in April/ may, then jesus could not have died in nissan, but the scriptures told us jesus died in Nissan, so jesus could not have been born in Nissan.
Its left for you to prove the "new lamb" theory. But we know for certain, the shepherds saw jesus where he was born , but the astrologers did not see jesus where the shepherds saw jesus. So we can believe that the astrologers saw jesus long time after they had seen the star in the east. And shortly after they left , Joseph fled with his family to egypt , shorthly after that, herod killed the children

Has anyone heard of the saying we can only witness to one person at a time?
I remember the JW's would door knock in my area, I used to watch them watching my home, i always thought someone was stoking me, and it took one bright spark to finally knock on my door after months of waiting. I gathered the company they believed I had around me, weren't what they had imagined.
I gave him {Acts 8:37} KJ version, and told him I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, dumb founded as he looked, with the other scriptures I had shared, he then asked me if he could come back bringing with him some elders.
This is what I don't understand, you all believe you are taught by the right Godly sources, and yet you don't seem to have enough information to witness about Jehovah God to the other side. So this shows us, your bible does not hold enough information, that not even you know what the Spirit is teaching through the word of God, and by you removing these scriptures you have spiritually deadens yourselves. So the Spirit of God can't flow His anointed word through you giving you the right words to say. Its the word of God that strengthens us, every word that is written builds our Spiritual lives up to be closer to His kingdom.
It also shows in you Mr dolphinheart, I have notice the difficulty you show when writing the bible you have been trying so hard to prove another man wrong. Do you honestly believe Jehovah God would come across angry and abusive just like you do over words? If they didn't remove the scriptures in the first place, you wouldn't be acting the way you are now preforming, because you would have the right answers, and if you didn't you would understand the answers I have been given you, without the anger.
This is what happens when we talk with the atheist, men and women who don't understand the word of God, they seem to become angry very fast, only because they haven't the slightest idea what's been said.
It shows someone knew what they were doing, removing scriptures and changing what sounds like, not to build you up but deaden you spiritually. So when its time Jesus comes back, you won't even recognize Him when He calls.
So you wouldn't really know what sort of information you have is spiritually connecting to anybody. But if 8000 are coming in on a daily base, then something is going on, and it's true something is going on, we are near the end of days, and it's a race until the end.
If you haven't enough information about God then why witness in the first place? It shows your not witnessing for Him, because none so what ever understand the word of God clearly, and besides Michael is not Jesus, that's the first clue that proves you are not witnessing for Jesus. Because deep down you don't honestly believe He is the Son of God, because you have removed {Acts 8:37} completely from your bible text.

Jesus said go out unto all the world a spread His gospel, now I had put that same question to you Mr dolphinheart and of course you had rebuked the idea when I mention I go to Church to Church, and yet you would go house to house where other Christians believe, so what is the difference? How can you separate a church from a Christian home.
A funny story I will never forget-I remember when I was a child, my friends and I would light up sky rockets and penny bangers and throw them straight up the centre of the JW's church, we only done that because we thought it was funny at the time, we had JW's living next door, and their children were told not to hang with us, even thu the first chance they got, they loved that Idea to be with us. And they hated the idea living in a prison type system they felt they were in. Their sister also would rebel as much as she could.
This was where I first tried to understand you JW's, and still nothing appeals to me, I don't hate you, matter of fact I have heard the same stories over and over since I was a child. later I found out the young lads were married with other JW's. poor buggers. But hey they were great mockers, and because of them and their teachings I am now completely black listed. Until I move house again,

@ brocab

It don't take rocket science to work this out. When a natural man is born his spirit is born into sin, when Jesus was born his Spirit is the Holy Spirit, and their is no sin to be found.

Was jesus a spirit before he was born? If yes , how can jesus spirit now be the holy spirit. When jesus was baptised, the holy spirit came down from heaven upon him, so you are saying jesus spirit that was in him when he was born, left him, went to heaven and then came back to him at baptism?

Look at the scripture statement when jesus died .
Luke 23:46
New International Version
Jesus called out with a loud
voice, "Father, into your hands
I commit my spirit." When he
had said this, he breathed his
last.

Brocab, look at what jesus said, if the spirit activating jesus is the holy spirit, jesus would not have said "my spirit". Are you trying to tell us that jesus entrusted another God into the hands of another God.

Do you remember jesus statement to his disciples about the holy spirit which he will send? If jesus send his spirit, how come Stephen saw jesus at the right hand of God while filled with holy spirit?

Your theories are full of holes brocab and are definitely man made, not supported by the scriptures at all.

One who became flesh and One spirit can only add up to be One man.

Where is the soul in this your theory.

If God was a man, and Jesus a man, then it would add up to two men, but the bible clearly tells us God is Spirit, sending His Son Jesus in the flesh to live amongst men, and God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit {Acts 10:38} God's Spirit living inside Him.

Your theory falls to the ground when you tell us if jesus was a spirit or man when in heaven.

Tell us when did God anoint jesus with holy spirit, at birth or at baptism?

Brocab, unless you are creating theories off your mind without first analyzing it, you should have known that this thing you are saying has no scritural backup, but are man made.
Where does the father come into this equation, are you saying the father is the holy spirit which is now in jesus? You are on your own with this o. No wonder you can't mention the church you associate with.

No-one has seen god at any time, because God is Spirit.

Yes , God is a spirit, the angels are spirits , jesus is a spirit, no man can see any of them unless they take up a physical form. In the angels case, they materialize physical bodies. In jesus case , his divine nature was changed and he BECAME flesh!

And One Spirit and one flesh makes one man.

You are refusing to add your belief in soul so as to arrive at this theory

And everything Jesus done God was with Him 100% until Jesus made His final leap and took on all the sins of the world, while the temple was torn in two from top to bottom and the Holy Spirit had departed, that's when Jesus felt God's presents had left Him. Their was no sin found in God, but man alone.

You, in your own words just told us that jesus was not God almighty. You claim the holy spirit is in you, is the holy spirit you? No.
And you also decided to leave out the father in all these your theories cus it wunt fit in. Or is the holy spirit the father too?

And this is why we believe in the Trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are all One the same.

1. You ommitted the father in your theory, you now want to stylishly add him here.
2. The son and holy spirit can't be the same cus according to your theory ,one was the body and one was the spirit.
3. The scriptures never said they are the same, these theory is man made.
4. That you can't describe what jesus was before he became flesh and what he was after he went to heaven shows your theory to be a deliberate twist that cannot stand reasonable test.

You believe otherwise, you believe the Holy Spirit is some kind of God's active force. And you believe Jesus the Son of God was Michael the archangel. And as the bible reads it out clearly, God never made any of His angels Sons.
{Hebrews 1:5} "For to which of the angels did God ever say "You are My Son, today I have become your Father? Or again I will be His Father and He will be My Son?
{Hebrews 1:13} To which of the angels did God ever say Sit at My Right Hand until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.

@ bolded, brocab , angels are Gods sons or sons of God. The bold is a lie cus that's not what the question said. The answer to that question is jesus Christ!

Brocab, if you say its jesus that God spoke to to sit at his right hand, then it means that almighty God is jesus father and jesus is his son. Jesus is not almighty God cus he was at the right hand of the most high. So in your own explanations. You have separated the person of jesus from the person of the father when jesus went back to heaven. In your own words you have shown the father to be superior to jesus. In your own words, you have shown us who the almighty God is.
You can now clarify everything by quoting verse 9, but I know you wunt quote that verse. Remember it is said that jesus is a heir.

This is how it must sound in the New World Translation Bible, And the archangel had sent his active force to teach us all things.

Your statement is based on a lie, peter has told us the originator of the holy spirit poured on them.

Question? How does an active force react on spending any time teaching, an active force would be like something say a sharp flash of light. That couldn't stay on to long.

The same way the spirit in you , which is not an individual, activates your body.
Your theory about the active force is false, it is active!, it can activate your mind to discern certain things. It can give you power to do certain things, that's why the holy spirit is mostimes associated with power.

Jesus sent The Holy Spirit to teach us all things, so this give us some kind of a good description of Him, He is patient, kind and gentle, knowledgeable a Spirit with Holy wisdom, ready to sit down and teach believers all over the world about the word of God' at the same time.

Good, so pls Tell us one incident in which one of the disciples had a discussion with the holy spirit, and add the name of the holy spirit pls.

And how many times do you want me to explain to you the source if the holy spirit!

And this is why Jesus made it sound so important, One must become a born again Christian, before he can enter into the kingdom of God, the bible clearly states no-one can enter in any other way, so the Spirit of God can only teach those who have accepted Christ, as their Lord and savour.

Good, note, the scriptures did not say "God and savior."

"For we have one God, the father ", is jesus the father? Nooo!

this is the Church I belong too. The same Church Jesus had made with His disciples, we are a Church that spreads far across the nations, Church buildings with names are used as a glide line helping people to find them, Jesus lives in the hearts of all those who chose to believe, we don't need large Church names to build up our Spiritual knowledge with God, Jesus said when two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the mist of us.

Ok o, we agree that you are a Church that spreads far across the nations and all the other things you've mentioned, so pls can you now tell us the name of the organization you associate with! You can add its official website for emphasis, or they dnt have official website again ?

@ bolded, this goes contrary to jesus is the body theory.

Now does your church agree that the head of Christ is God!


Note :
[b]Brocab, you have still refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

@ brocab

I see you are twisting my words again.
Just want to ask' are you partly blind? Herod said where "was" the Messiah "was" to be born, not "is" to be born. Using my own interpretation, "was" hasn't happen yet,

Brocab, "was" was in relation to the question "WHERE" which came up as a result of knowledge about the prophecy .
Herod knew NOTHING about the birth of jesus, and had to rely on Prophecy made long ago(before jesus was born) which recorded WHERE jesus WAS to be born. Removing "was" as the theme of herods question is bad english.
You rely on questions by herod, but refuse to acknowledge to other definite records in matt. The one indicated by the writer who says the astrologers came to herod AFTER jesus had been born, and the one of the astrologers who indicated to herod that jesus had already been born! Jesus had already been born when they saw the star in the THE EAST, a very far away place!. Are you saying the scriptures and the astrologers are lying ?

And if it did, then it didn't take days to see the child, nor years, the wise men seen Him while the shepherds were still there at the manager, glorifying His name celebrating his name and giving Him gifts to the Messiah they were told He is the king of the Jews who had finally come.

Brocab, you are a liar, you can say anything just to achieve you aim. The scriptures tell us who the astrologers saw when they came to meet jesus, the list is different from who the shepherds saw. The scriptures tell us where the shepherds saw jesus, this is different from where the astrologers saw jesus. The astrologers did not meet jesus in a manger, they met him in a house.

The isrealites, loyal servants of jehovah do not celebrate birthdays , so its not a coincidence that you can't find it recorded anywhere in the scriptures the date of birth of any loyal servant of jehovah. Therefore, the parents of jesus would not have welcomed any pagan worshiper, no matter how rich, if their intention is to come and celebrate jesus birthday. When the Jews came earlier, there was no celebration or giving of gifts!
No merriment, cus they do not celebrate birthdays!
Even the joyful state of the astrologers was done outside the house and not inside where jesus was.

They didn't find where Jesus was born. they were led to where he was born. And told He is the Messiah the king of the Jews

Led by whom!?
Isrealites knew that the messiah will come and where he will be born, the astrologers knew this cus they have read the prophecy too. Part of the prophecy expecially about the time the messiah will arrive was writing in their lands, the east.

And I am not expecting a prick like you to insult me every time you think I am speaking out of line,

Woah!, hope its not the spirit in you that pushing you to use derogatory words!

You are not speaking out of line, you spoke in line, but the lines are lies built on fabrications, and that's what I keep pointing out to you.

you have insulted my bible since you have been on line with me, you aren't insulting me directly you are insulting Jesus.

Pls show where I insulted your bible o! . Or do you count stating facts as insult?

You really believe your bible or the Watchtower mags are correct We all know your bible does not line up with the King James nor does it line up with any other bible, it's a one off, that has missing scriptures.

State the missing scriptures, prove they are missing and then we will compare translations to see if you are right or you are just lying again.

What you believe in, will never line up with me. I am reading it from my bible, that you call a misprint, or you say its false.

I've quoted several times from your bible, and in all those several times , you could not respond, quote or explain one of them!
I've even offered that you quote some particular verses from any bible of your choice, but up till now, you refuse to do so.

And what you believe I think it's funny, you believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, and God made the archangel to be His son. And your trying to prove to me no-one is laughing at you.
I just wanted to ask one Question did Jesus spread out His wings and fly to Heaven, all did God take Him to heaven?

The scriptures recorded that jesus started rising and he was covered in the clouds. I've not and will not try to find out who took him there, so if you think you have an answer to that, pls share.
Heaven, where God resides is not a physical place you can fly to.

This is how your silly your questions sound to me when I am reading them, it sounds more like mocking then asking.

The questions are borne out of the holes created by your explanations and theories. Answering the questions will block the holes, not answering
Them will show to that your doctrines are false.
Calling the questions silly is a way of avoiding them.

And without guessing as you do at all times, back up your theories and show me where in scripture where the wise men had seen Jesus after 40 day's He arrived back from the temple? And show me in scripture where Mary rented out a house in that time period? So we viewers can see the truth about Jesus.

That ill gladly do.
1. Jesus could only have been seen by the astrologers , 40 days or more after his birth, cus mary would have only been able to take jesus to the temple after her 40 days of uncleaness is over . This is according to jehovahs instructions found in leviticus 12:2,4. And Luke 2:23

2.The events recorded after the the astrologers came was swift, the scriptures even used words to express the urgency at with the angels told Joseph to flee and the timing of Joseph fleeing. They would not have waited 40 days or more to go to the temple in Jerusalem and back to betlehem before they fled. The scriptures even expressed herods state of mind when the astrologers approached him.
Therefore it is better to say that the astrologers came to see jesus 40 days or more after his birth, giving mary , Joseph and jesus enough time to go to the temple and present jesus, and enough time to find a house to stay.

[b]And being warned of God in
a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed
into their own country another
way.
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of
the Lord appeareth to Joseph
in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the
young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt.

No time between this for them to stay 40 days in the house, but from the story of the astrologers until when they met herod and later jesus , those 40 days can fit in easily multiple times.


Brocab, I never told you mary rented a house, the scriptures said mary was in a house when the astrologers came.

Matthew 1 Jesus wasn't born until chapter 2, so here you are twisting the scriptures again, you should learn how to read the bible correctly.

Quote the last verse in chapter 1 and the first verse in chapter two and then try to repeat what you just said.

You refused to tell us which verse in chapter 2 jesus was said to be born.

I wish your church allowed you to read from other view points about the scriptures, it would open up a hole new meaning for you to understand these verses clearly,

I just quoted verse 1 of matt chp 2 using different translations brocab. Haba!

God uses men and women to show us different ways the scriptures are read-you wouldn't jump in so quickly calling me a lair, because their's so many view points to pick from, this is how one gets Himself deeper into the word.

True and false viewpoint are being separated using the scriptures as a guide. Anytime you bring up an issue, I use different scriptures to clarity my views, I also use the scriptures you put forward to show your views as false. My views you can't contradict, the scriptures I posted you can't explain .
If you think God is using you, then quote and explain some if not all of the scriptures I've accused you of not being able to respond to. You will find them again at the end of these post.

Most times you come up with the most silliest answers, and you want people to believe in you, but you don't back it up with word to prove your theories,

That's another lie, name one theory of mine I've giving that I did not back up with scripture, if I did not do so then, ill do it immediately

you must know that's what I believe this forum is all about for us to learn from each other, not just because you say so?

Then let's learn from you the meaning of jesus words found in bible passages I've posted to you several times to respond to.

I have tried to read between the lines, it's funny you say one thing and write another, I took it from you, with a little guessing how long the wise men had travelled and now you are denying your own words.[/quotes]
Writing and saying are the same thing on nairaland. What I say to you is the same as what I write to you, no difference, so your accusation is false.

Moreover you refuse to show proof where I denied my own words. So pls tell where I posted something and then denied it later!.

[quote]But none of it made sense, nor with your new theory after the 40 day period, Where in the bible is it written?

I've shown and explained this to you above.

You do this all the time, and you have the cheek calling me a lair? Fair enough your not ready to know what time of year the sheep gave birth to their lambs, In what months, but keep it in mind, because one day someone may teach to you about this subject, and you will have some sort of an idea, But if you learn about the Jewish times of the year, Jesus was born in those times, because its the time of the year the shepherds could spend any time in the desert, other then that it's too cold at night.

I'm sorry to call you a liar, but I have to cus you are one and I've proven it several times before you change each topic under discussion.

Your refusal to tell us about the new lamb issue and relate it to when jesus was born shows that you have investigated the issue , found yourself to be wrong , therefore you will not explain it .

See most people believe Jesus was born in Dec, but that's not true, and of course they celebrate His birthday on the 25th.

We are not discussing about most people, we are discussing about your beliefs and my beliefs, leave most people out of it.

Looking at jesus death( the date which we can get from the scriptures) , the prophecies About him, his recorded activity , all this throws out your views that jesus was born around Nissan cus you think some sheeps give birth during that time.

There is so much information out their that's ready to be picked, and theirs so many ways to learn about the bible, Christians love sharing their different views how God would like us to preform in our Christian walk. But the Spirit of God gives us discernment between the goods and the bad's, which I love most.
Some of the things I have come across is totally over the top, I quickly turn the page. This is one thing I love about believing in Christ is learning all the time, it never stops, its on going to seek His kingdom, but if I was bound to learn from just one Church, my understanding of the bible, would be Nil. And the training and the teachings I would retrieve, I could be bound like you, not knowing what the other part of the body is doing, while I am learning a Nil, my teacher could be teaching me a pack of lies, like the lie the Churches preach about tithing and Christmas day-and Michael the archangel came to earth calling himself Jesus. This is why the Spirit has given us discernment.

You like praising yourself sha!, cus no one knows who you are.

Well have you learnt that jesus has a God?
Have you Learnt that the head of jesus is God.
Have you learnt that jesus , even in heaven is subjected to someone?
Have you learnt that jesus has companions/ fellows?
Have you learnt that jesus received power and authority from someone?
Have you learnt that jesus is being made heir?

If you have not learnt this, or you've learnt and refused to accept. Them you still have alot to learn and long way to go!

But you must admit to yourself you are actually reading the bible, and it's not from your own, so you have to be seeing the differences between the two, and had you noticed your bible haven't any of those scriptures that's needed for the body of Christ, to feed His people in growth, having the wisdom and knowledge sure helps us receive our strength to stand up against the demons the darkness and the principalities if this world. this is why it's important not to remove scriptures of any kind from the bible.

Brocab I've asked you to provide proof that scriptures where removed. And we will compare the translations.
I've also asked you to provide us with answers why the kjv removed the name of God in most places where they occured in gods word. You have refused to do so. You the time you used in typing the above would have better be invested into finding answers and proofs.

I've quoted lots of times from the translation you accepted, but you still refuse to quote it or explain what's written there, even though its from the kjv.

The word of God strengthens us daily as we seek His word.
And if you deny this, then it proves you are a lair and the truth is not in you.

You are the one refusing, denying to explain scriptures quoted to you.


Note :
Brocab, you have still refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty !

@ brocab

Has anyone heard of the saying we can only witness to one person at a time?
I remember the JW's would door knock in my area, I used to watch them watching my home, i always thought someone was stoking me, and it took one bright spark to finally knock on my door after months of waiting. I gathered the company they believed I had around me, weren't what they had imagined.
I gave him {Acts 8:37} KJ version, and told him I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, dumb founded as he looked, with the other scriptures I had shared, he then asked me if he could come back bringing with him some elders.
This is what I don't understand, you all believe you are taught by the right Godly sources, and yet you don't seem to have enough information to witness about Jehovah God to the other side. So this shows us, your bible does not hold enough information, that not even you know what the Spirit is teaching through the word of God, and by you removing these scriptures you have spiritually deadens yourselves. So the Spirit of God can't flow His anointed word through you giving you the right words to say. Its the word of God that strengthens us, every word that is written builds our Spiritual lives up to be closer to His kingdom.

Whenever you use the word "I" or "I am", what comes next will be suspected. But because no one can verify, you still tell it anyway.
But here on nairaland that some few things can be verified e.g your knowlege on certain scriptures put forward to you. You vehemently refuse to quote them and explain them.
You say they removed the scriptures, yet you can't show proof or answer why God name has been removed from places it occured in the scriptures by the king james version.

It also shows in you Mr dolphinheart, I have notice the difficulty you show when writing the bible you have been trying so hard to prove another man wrong.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong,I have proved you wrong log time ago, starting from the first topic you shifted from.

He who can't explain numerous scriptures, who refuses to quote them is the one who has difficulty with the scriptures. I do not write the bible! Its already been writing!

Do you honestly believe Jehovah God would come across angry and abusive just like you do over words? If they didn't remove the scriptures in the first place, you wouldn't be acting the way you are now preforming, because you would have the right answers, and if you didn't you would understand the answers I have been given you, without the anger.

Me angry? Nop. You are the one who used derogatory words. There is nothing abusive in my speech other than to state the fact.

This is what happens when we talk with the atheist, men and women who don't understand the word of God, they seem to become angry very fast, only because they haven't the slightest idea what's been said.
It shows someone knew what they were doing, removing scriptures and changing what sounds like, not to build you up but deaden you spiritually.

What sounds like what! Pls give an example.
If you understand the word of God, then pls give an explanation on the numerous scriptures I quoted to you.
If you dnt understand it , then dnt.

So when its time Jesus comes back, you won't even recognize Him when He calls.

I dnt need to recognise jesus. I dnt know how he looked like when he was on earth. But I know some wunt see him again, yet gain evalasting life.

So you wouldn't really know what sort of information you have is spiritually connecting to anybody. But if 8000 are coming in on a daily base, then something is going on, and it's true something is going on, we are near the end of days, and it's a race until the end.
If you haven't enough information about God then why witness in the first place? It shows your not witnessing for Him, because none so what ever understand the word of God clearly, and besides Michael is not Jesus, that's the first clue that proves you are not witnessing for Jesus. Because deep down you don't honestly believe He is the Son of God, because you have removed {Acts 8:37} completely from your bible text.

At last, you have listed a verse which you think was removed from the scriptures.
1. You have refused to answer the accompanying question stating why the name of God was removed from the kjv(na your way)
2. You have refused to show prove that it was removed by the nwt translations.
Brocab because you find them in the kjv and not in nwt does not mean they are removed. It means they are not supposed to be there in the first place and was put there by people who wanted to achieve false aims or through scribal error.

This is why a majority of translations , including the nwt do not add that verse in their translations. They did not remove it, cus it was not there in the first place.

The translations that removed it later must have seen their mistake of adding it and thus removed it. As more and more revisions come out, more bible translators are knowing and accepting that those words in that verse do not exist in most reliable older manuscripts of Gods words.

Brocab even the authors of the NKJV know this, go and read their footnote on acts 8:37.
I'm sure you will not quote what the footnote says, therefore unless you quote that footnote for the world to see, it will remain clear that its your bible that added to the word of God! And not that the others removed it.

Looking at the evidence that those words should not be there, expecially when older manuscripts have been discovered after the kjv had been translated and much much after the scriptures have been divided into chapters and verses far outweigh the evidences shown that the verses should be there! Hence some who had added it earlier had started removing it!.
I tell you brocab, if the kjv do a revision today, not using the first tramation as basis as was used in other revisions , but translate the manuscrites using the one we have today (which had not been discovered during the first translation) , they will remove acts 8:37 cus its not supposed to be there, no matter how good the verse is.

Jesus said go out unto all the world a spread His gospel, now I had put that same question to you Mr dolphinheart and of course you had rebuked the idea when I mention I go to Church to Church, and yet you would go house to house where other Christians believe, so what is the difference? How can you separate a church from a Christian home.

The church (even according to you) is a gathering of christians who come to serve God together. A home is an abode where people reside. A house is a building which can be used for different purposes. Brocab, I dnt go from house to house where other people belief, I go from house to house to preach the word of God. If I enter your house and you say you belief certain things, its left for you to explain those things using the scriptures, and its left for me to also show you from the scriptures if you or I is right or wrong. So going from house to house, seeking meek hearted ones to share the word of God with, is not the same thing as going from church to church. The scriptures did not only state the method , it showed the method. And we can see that the disciples did not go preaching from church to church.

A funny story I will never forget-I remember when I was a child, my friends and I would light up sky rockets and penny bangers and throw them straight up the centre of the JW's church, we only done that because we thought it was funny at the time, we had JW's living next door, and their children were told not to hang with us, even thu the first chance they got, they loved that Idea to be with us. And they hated the idea living in a prison type system they felt they were in. Their sister also would rebel as much as she could.
This was where I first tried to understand you JW's, and still nothing appeals to me, I don't hate you, matter of fact I have heard the same stories over and over since I was a child. later I found out the young lads were married with other JW's. poor buggers. But hey they were great mockers, and because of them and their teachings I am now completely black listed. Until I move house again,

Again I state, anytime you say "I" or "l am", what comes next cannot be verified and would probably be a lie.

It just shows you don't read what I have written, I have listed many of the scriptures your bible have removed-Here I will write It again.
MATTHEW 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
MARK 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
MARK 16:9-20 {ALL 12 VERSES} They separated the last 12 verses of MARK from the main text in an appendix {of sorts} with this detracting statement. "Some late manuscripts and versions contain a short conclusion after MARK 16:8 as follows} New World Translation Revised 1984 Edition.
LUKE 1:28, 17:36, 23:17, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
JOHN 5:4 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
JOHN 7:53, 8:11, {ALL 12 VERSES} They separated the last 2 verses of MARK from the main text and placed it at the bottom of the page in a appendix {of sorts} with the detracting statement. "Manuscripts NBSYS omit verses 53 to chapter 8 verse 11 Which read {with some variation in the various Greek text and versions} as follows."
ACTS 8:37, 15:34, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
ACTS 24:6-8, Vitally important phases {from verse 6,8 and all of verse 7 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
ACTS 28:29 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
ROMANS 16:24 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
COLOSSIANS 1:2, 2:2, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
1 JOHN 5:13 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
REVELATION 1:11, 2:15, 21:24 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
And the One that is the most favoured to all us believers is 1 JOHN 5:7 A VIRALLY IMPORTANT PHASE COMPLETELY REMOVED In the Jehovah Witnesses "NEW WORLD TRANSLATION "ITS SAYS "FOR THEIR ARE THREE WITNESS BEARERS."What are the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION readers missing?
And what does the real bible say?
"FOR THEIR ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY GHOST AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
This time you won't be able to miss it, its all written so you could even see it without your glasses on.
It is quite a few scriptures that's been removed from your bible, sorry to say not only your bible but others too, this is why it is always best to have a King James laying around, so every time you can't find some verse you will always find it in the good old King James.
{1 John 5:7} should never have been removed, from any bible. Every scripture is food for us to feed off, we need as much spiritual wisdom and knowledge our bodies could handle.
You will always find something to criticize me hey. And I have read some of your pages and theirs always missing letters from different words you write. And it's easy for you to call us lairs when you know you yourself haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to the word of God, your bible is empty.
The work began in December 2 1947 when the New world Translation committee was formed, and the first part of the Translation was in 1950.
So it wasn't the King James bible that added scriptures it was your bible that removed them and changed them.

Didn't you like my old timers story

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

Whenever you use the word "I" or "I am", what comes next will be suspected. But because no one can verify, you still tell it anyway.
But here on nairaland that some few things can be verified e.g your knowlege on certain scriptures put forward to you. You vehemently refuse to quote them and explain them.
You say they removed the scriptures, yet you can't show proof or answer why God name has been removed from places it occured in the scriptures by the king james version.


I'm not trying to prove you wrong,I have proved you wrong log time ago, starting from the first topic you shifted from.

He who can't explain numerous scriptures, who refuses to quote them is the one who has difficulty with the scriptures. I do not write the bible! Its already been writing!

Me angry? Nop. You are the one who used derogatory words. There is nothing abusive in my speech other than to state the fact.


What sounds like what! Pls give an example.
If you understand the word of God, then pls give an explanation on the numerous scriptures I quoted to you.
If you dnt understand it , then dnt.


I dnt need to recognise jesus. I dnt know how he looked like when he was on earth. But I know some wunt see him again, yet gain evalasting life.



At last, you have listed a verse which you think was removed from the scriptures.
1. You have refused to answer the accompanying question stating why the name of God was removed from the kjv(na your way)
2. You have refused to show prove that it was removed by the nwt translations.
Brocab because you find them in the kjv and not in nwt does not mean they are removed. It means they are not supposed to be there in the first place and was put there by people who wanted to achieve false aims or through scribal error.

This is why a majority of translations , including the nwt do not add that verse in their translations. They did not remove it, cus it was not there in the first place.

The translations that removed it later must have seen their mistake of adding it and thus removed it. As more and more revisions come out, more bible translators are knowing and accepting that those words in that verse do not exist in most reliable older manuscripts of Gods words.

Brocab even the authors of the NKJV know this, go and read their footnote on acts 8:37.
I'm sure you will not quote what the footnote says, therefore unless you quote that footnote for the world to see, it will remain clear that its your bible that added to the word of God! And not that the others removed it.

Looking at the evidence that those words should not be there, expecially when older manuscripts have been discovered after the kjv had been translated and much much after the scriptures have been divided into chapters and verses far outweigh the evidences shown that the verses should be there! Hence some who had added it earlier had started removing it!.
I tell you brocab, if the kjv do a revision today, not using the first tramation as basis as was used in other revisions , but translate the manuscrites using the one we have today (which had not been discovered during the first translation) , they will remove acts 8:37 cus its not supposed to be there, no matter how good the verse is.


The church (even according to you) is a gathering of christians who come to serve God together. A home is an abode where people reside. A house is a building which can be used for different purposes. Brocab, I dnt go from house to house where other people belief, I go from house to house to preach the word of God. If I enter your house and you say you belief certain things, its left for you to explain those things using the scriptures, and its left for me to also show you from the scriptures if you or I is right or wrong. So going from house to house, seeking meek hearted ones to share the word of God with, is not the same thing as going from church to church. The scriptures did not only state the method , it showed the method. And we can see that the disciples did not go preaching from church to church.



Again I state, anytime you say "I" or "l am", what comes next cannot be verified and would probably be a lie.

You are a real hypocrite, because you don't know about any issues, don't bag it until you can find out solid evidence, if its true or false. I had spoken about the lambs because it was that time of the year Jesus was born, woooo unless you think Jesus was born in Dec?
You try and twist every word I write, that's good I am still trying to understand yours. You don't explain sentences to well do you.
I sometimes wonder am I writing to a child? Your spelling is shocking.
It shows you don't understand the meaning of worship, I suppose you wouldn't because you don't sing and praise any worship songs to Jesus inside your Church, I should know because as I would sit with the JW's and listen to the words spoken from their Watchtower magazines, never did I see a bible used inside their churches.
Jesus said go out unto the world and preach the gospel, and I thought what better place is to go, is meet with other believers, but the only problem I found was difficult was the JW's preached another Jesus, and another Father God. I had asked them why don't they preach the bible, I was told, they only use their bibles when they are out witnessing. And the church is based upon the Watchtower..
But I still witnessed to them about Jesus, until they asked me to leave.
The JW Church is like at first a room of silence, then someone tells the church about their church actives, then everyone sits quite until some one {preacher} starts reading from the Watchtower magazines, asking questions, while the sitters rise their hands and answer them, it was like sitting in a classroom at a School. So I can understand why you don't know the meaning to praising and glorifying God, its another word for celebration, a gathering, knowledgeable, happy, enjoyable, Is usually used when their is a church gathering. Singing Joy to the Lord.
So I see' you are only guessing about the wise men and your 40 day theory? Which you haven't rightly backed up with any scriptures only these two that don't fit the bill> {Luke 2:23 Leviticus 22:2-4} Mr big mouth himself, had finally admitted he doesn't know' when and where the wise men had seen the child?
No scriptures proves otherwise? And you calling me a lair and you can't come up with the answers either? No-one is interested in any of your theories. You did say you could answer what time flame the wise men had seen the child? Guessing a point of view isn't the same as the scriptures written in the bible' now is it?. Without having the evidence, you really have showing us the truth about yourself? Having a lying tongue like yours, providing me with verses that don't belong. Besides Your story sounds too far fetched. Does this mean you are glassed as a bigger lair because you couldn't produce any bible evidence?
With my own interpretation" Not the bible" Pagan or not? Mary and Joseph had accepted the gifts that were given to the Child, and I believe Jesus received the gifts before everyone around the district knew He ever existed.
Even if it was a day later the wise men still gave gifts to Jesus for His arrival, celebrating His birth, {Birthday} celebrating the King of the Jews had FINALLY ARRIVED. The story tells us the shepherds had worshipped the child with great joy, praising God for sending the One and only 'true God" Jesus Christ. Amen.
Mr dolphinheart. I can't wait until you answer me why you believe Jesus is Michael the archangel? When God said {Hebrews 1:5} "For to which of the angels did God ever say "You are My son.
And in {Hebrew 1:13} "For to which of the angels did God ever say "Sit at My right Hand.
And did you enjoy all the missing scriptures or lets say the change around scriptures that was removed or twisted around from your bible?
Interesting isn't it.
Now don't let your big noting pride get in the way? it was between the last of Matthew 1, and the beginning of Matthew 2. Its like the theory of the wise men the scriptures clam up. That not even you can come up with any of the answers.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

Brocab, "was" was in relation to the question "WHERE" which came up as a result of knowledge about the prophecy .
Herod knew NOTHING about the birth of jesus, and had to rely on Prophecy made long ago(before jesus was born) which recorded WHERE jesus WAS to be born. Removing "was" as the theme of herods question is bad english.
You rely on questions by herod, but refuse to acknowledge to other definite records in matt. The one indicated by the writer who says the astrologers came to herod AFTER jesus had been born, and the one of the astrologers who indicated to herod that jesus had already been born! Jesus had already been born when they saw the star in the THE EAST, a very far away place!. Are you saying the scriptures and the astrologers are lying ?


Brocab, you are a liar, you can say anything just to achieve you aim. The scriptures tell us who the astrologers saw when they came to meet jesus, the list is different from who the shepherds saw. The scriptures tell us where the shepherds saw jesus, this is different from where the astrologers saw jesus. The astrologers did not meet jesus in a manger, they met him in a house.

The isrealites, loyal servants of jehovah do not celebrate birthdays , so its not a coincidence that you can't find it recorded anywhere in the scriptures the date of birth of any loyal servant of jehovah. Therefore, the parents of jesus would not have welcomed any pagan worshiper, no matter how rich, if their intention is to come and celebrate jesus birthday. When the Jews came earlier, there was no celebration or giving of gifts!
No merriment, cus they do not celebrate birthdays!
Even the joyful state of the astrologers was done outside the house and not inside where jesus was.


Led by whom!?
Isrealites knew that the messiah will come and where he will be born, the astrologers knew this cus they have read the prophecy too. Part of the prophecy expecially about the time the messiah will arrive was writing in their lands, the east.


Woah!, hope its not the spirit in you that pushing you to use derogatory words!

You are not speaking out of line, you spoke in line, but the lines are lies built on fabrications, and that's what I keep pointing out to you.


Pls show where I insulted your bible o! . Or do you count stating facts as insult?


State the missing scriptures, prove they are missing and then we will compare translations to see if you are right or you are just lying again.


I've quoted several times from your bible, and in all those several times , you could not respond, quote or explain one of them!
I've even offered that you quote some particular verses from any bible of your choice, but up till now, you refuse to do so.


The scriptures recorded that jesus started rising and he was covered in the clouds. I've not and will not try to find out who took him there, so if you think you have an answer to that, pls share.
Heaven, where God resides is not a physical place you can fly to.


The questions are borne out of the holes created by your explanations and theories. Answering the questions will block the holes, not answering
Them will show to that your doctrines are false.
Calling the questions silly is a way of avoiding them.

That ill gladly do.
1. Jesus could only have been seen by the astrologers , 40 days or more after his birth, cus mary would have only been able to take jesus to the temple after her 40 days of uncleaness is over . This is according to jehovahs instructions found in leviticus 12:2,4. And Luke 2:23

2.The events recorded after the the astrologers came was swift, the scriptures even used words to express the urgency at with the angels told Joseph to flee and the timing of Joseph fleeing. They would not have waited 40 days or more to go to the temple in Jerusalem and back to betlehem before they fled. The scriptures even expressed herods state of mind when the astrologers approached him.
Therefore it is better to say that the astrologers came to see jesus 40 days or more after his birth, giving mary , Joseph and jesus enough time to go to the temple and present jesus, and enough time to find a house to stay.

[b]And being warned of God in
a dream that they should not
return to Herod, they departed
into their own country another
way.
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of
the Lord appeareth to Joseph
in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the
young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt.

No time between this for them to stay 40 days in the house, but from the story of the astrologers until when they met herod and later jesus , those 40 days can fit in easily multiple times.


Brocab, I never told you mary rented a house, the scriptures said mary was in a house when the astrologers came.


Quote the last verse in chapter 1 and the first verse in chapter two and then try to repeat what you just said.

You refused to tell us which verse in chapter 2 jesus was said to be born.


I just quoted verse 1 of matt chp 2 using different translations brocab. Haba!



True and false viewpoint are being separated using the scriptures as a guide. Anytime you bring up an issue, I use different scriptures to clarity my views, I also use the scriptures you put forward to show your views as false. My views you can't contradict, the scriptures I posted you can't explain .
If you think God is using you, then quote and explain some if not all of the scriptures I've accused you of not being able to respond to. You will find them again at the end of these post.


That's another lie, name one theory of mine I've giving that I did not back up with scripture, if I did not do so then, ill do it immediately


Then let's learn from you the meaning of jesus words found in bible passages I've posted to you several times to respond to.

@ brocab

Before I go into these post, I'm going to remind you and everyone else, some parts of my post which you refused to respond to. Ill also state that the reasons you dnt respond to it is because you find them to be true, but since your nature is bent on finding fault, you must sidestep those explanations , questions and scriptures so as to find something to say!
Your refusal to respond to my explanation and requests, but rather bringing up other scriptures without first clearing the issue of acts 8:37, shows that your aim is to find fault, and each time you are being corrected, you run from the issue! Here's my post to you again.

[b]

1. You have refused to answer the accompanying question stating why the name of God was removed from the kjv(na your way)
2. You have refused to show prove that it was removed by the nwt translations.
Brocab because you find them in the kjv and not in nwt does not mean they are removed. It means they are not supposed to be there in the first place and was put there by people who wanted to achieve false aims or through scribal error.

This is why a majority of translations , including the nwt do not add that verse in their translations. They did not remove it, cus it was not there in the first place.

The translations that removed it later must have seen their mistake of adding it and thus removed it. As more and more revisions come out, more bible translators are knowing and accepting that those words in that verse do not exist in most reliable older manuscripts of Gods words.

Brocab even the authors of the NKJV know this, go and read their footnote on acts 8:37.
I'm sure you will not quote what the footnote says, therefore unless you quote that footnote for the world to see, it will remain clear that its your bible that added to the word of God! And not that the others removed it.

Looking at the evidence that those words should not be there, expecially when older manuscripts have been discovered after the kjv had been translated and much much after the scriptures have been divided into chapters and verses far outweigh the evidences shown that the verses should be there! Hence some who had added it earlier had started removing it!.
I tell you brocab, if the kjv do a revision today, not using the first translation as basis as was used in other revisions , but translate the manuscripts using the one we have today (which had not been discovered during the first translation) , they will remove acts 8:37 cus its not supposed to be there, no matter how good the verse is.[/b]

It just shows you don't read what I have written, I have listed many of the scriptures your bible have removed-Here I will write It again.

Its shows that's its you that does not read what other write. I've told you to first prove that this verses are removed , this you have FAILED to do. Because you find a verse in one translation and dnt find it in others does not mean it was removed. Or are you going to say the kjv removed verses if you find such verses in other translations and not in the kjv? . You need to prove to everyone that those verses where in the source for the translation, which is the manuscripts before you start accusing a translation of removing them! This you have failed to do.! But ill still handle some of your accusation anyway, just to show you that you are wrong!

MATTHEW 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, COMPLETELY REMOVED.

The verse matt 17:21 is not included in the newer translations because the older and better manuscripts of Matthew do not include it.
The translators of the older translations were not as careful in the manuscripts
they used, or those better manuscripts have not been discovered when the translation occured. So they did not removed it cus it was not there in the first place

For further info:
http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/9093/on-what-basis-do-some-modern-bible-manuscripts-omit-matt-1721

(Matt: 18 :11)
same reasons as matt 17:21
[b]Sometime after Matthew wrote his gospel, a copyist inserted the words of Luke 19:10 into the text.
It is possible that the scribe put it in the margin to help explain Jesus' words. This is similar to the practice of modern study Bibles putting explanatory text into the margins or footnotes.
Apparently, a later copyist saw
the text in the margins and decided that it was supposed to go into the text. This mistake was only repeated by the manuscripts that were copied from it. Other manuscripts of Matthew were
unaffected by this mistake.

(matt 23:14)
Same explanation with other verses above.


The NKJV version talks about this verses, but you can't fit to quote the footnote on those verses , cus all you want is to find fault through any means.

Some translations totally or partially omit 1, 2 or the whole 3 verses , here are some of them.

1. New International Version
2. New Living Translation
3. English Standard Version
4. Berean Study Bible
5. Berean Literal Bible
6. NET Bible
7. GOD'S WORD® Translation
8. Darby Bible Translation
9. Weymouth New Testament
10.English Revised Version

MARK 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, COMPLETELY REMOVED.

The reason for ommision as same as matt 17:21

MARK 16:9-20 {ALL 12 VERSES} They separated the last 12 verses of MARK from the main text in an appendix {of sorts} with this detracting statement. "Some late manuscripts and versions contain a short conclusion after MARK 16:8 as follows} New World Translation Revised 1984 Edition.

Good that you saw the explanation given, now someone serious about it will investigate and tell if they are right or wrong, someone who is not serious will call it "distracting"

If you want to really investigate these, you can start here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16

LUKE 1:28, 17:36, 23:17, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
JOHN 5:4 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
JOHN 7:53, 8:11, {ALL 12 VERSES}

You lie about Luke 1:28 brocab, I would have asked you why, but I know you will never tell .

As to the rest, they where omitted for the same reason as matt 17:21. They where either copyist error or deliberately added later on.

They separated the last 2 verses of MARK from the main text and placed it at the bottom of the page in a appendix {of sorts} with the detracting statement. "Manuscripts NBSYS omit verses 53 to chapter 8 verse 11 Which read {with some variation in the various Greek text and versions} as follows."

I do not understand your statement, pls rephrase.

ACTS 8:37, 15:34, COMPLETELY REMOVED.

I think I've replied you on acts 8:37, you did not reply or respond to it, you are adding it here again.

Acts 15:34 was omited for the same reasons as above.

ACTS 24:6-8, Vitally important phases {from verse 6,8 and all of verse 7 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
ACTS 28:29 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
ROMANS 16:24 COMPLETELY REMOVED.

they where omitted for the same reason as matt 17:21. They where either copyist error or deliberately added later on

COLOSSIANS 1:2, 2:2, COMPLETELY REMOVED.
1 JOHN 5:13 COMPLETELY REMOVED.
REVELATION 1:11, 2:15, 21:24 COMPLETELY REMOVED.

Your lies no dey get part two. Wunt talk bout it cus I know you wunt respond to having been shown your lies.

And the One that is the most favoured to all us believers is 1 JOHN 5:7 A VIRALLY IMPORTANT PHASE COMPLETELY REMOVED In the Jehovah Witnesses "NEW WORLD TRANSLATION "ITS SAYS "FOR THEIR ARE THREE WITNESS BEARERS."What are the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION readers missing?
And what does the real bible say?
"FOR THEIR ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY GHOST AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
This time you won't be able to miss it, its all written so you could even see it without your glasses on.

Those words cannot be found in the best and oldest manuscripts. If the oldest manuscripts do not have those words, but its copies later have it, it clearly shows that those who where copying deliberately added those words, therefore is not added to the word of God.

It is quite a few scriptures that's been removed from your bible, sorry to say not only your bible but others too, this is why it is always best to have a King James laying around, so every time you can't find some verse you will always find it in the good old King James.
{1 John 5:7} should never have been removed, from any bible. Every scripture is food for us to feed off, we need as much spiritual wisdom and knowledge our bodies could handle.

Ill advise that you do a research about 1 john 5:7.

You will always find something to criticize me hey.

I'm not criticising you, just telling you(with prove) what you are doing.

And I have read some of your pages and theirs always missing letters from different words you write.

And you can't show them!

And it's easy for you to call us lairs when you know you yourself haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to the word of God, your bible is empty.

I did not only call you a liar , I showed you that you are a liar. And most times you refuse to response to my proofs which shows that what I said are true!

The work began in December 2 1947 when the New world Translation committee was formed, and the first part of the Translation was in 1950.
So it wasn't the King James bible that added scriptures it was your bible that removed them and changed them.

Lookkatyu! . So you decide who added or removed from the manuscripts during translation by who translated first?! Haba brocab!

Didn't you like my old timers story

I like it, they make good fictional stories.


Note :
Brocab, you have still refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty !

@ brocab

You are a real hypocrite, because you don't know about any issues, don't bag it until you can find out solid evidence, if its true or false.

It stays bagged until evidence are brought forward to surpport the truthfulness of the story. its the person who says the story is true that will bring up evidences, if no proof is brought forward, the story will not be accepted!

I had spoken about the lambs because it was that time of the year Jesus was born, woooo unless you think Jesus was born in Dec?

brocab , why do you lie. You used the " lamb being born at a particular time" issue to determine when Jesus was born and not the other way way round. therefore if your lamb issue is faulty and cannot be proven, then jesus being born in Nissan period is also faulty and cannot be proven.

You try and twist every word I write, that's good I am still trying to understand yours.

and you have been unable to provide just one example of how I twist your words.
If you cant understand , read it again before reply. And if you still dnt understand, ask and more details will be provided.

You don't explain sentences to well do you.

These sentence of yours shows how hard it is to understand what you are saying!

I sometimes wonder am I writing to a child? Your spelling is shocking.
It shows you don't understand the meaning of worship, I suppose you wouldn't because you don't sing and praise any worship songs to Jesus inside your Church, I should know because as I would sit with the JW's and listen to the words spoken from their Watchtower magazines, never did I see a bible used inside their churches.

the bolded tells a lot about how you write.
brocab stop lying na!. you just formulate these things up as it comes to your head!, why are you so desperate to lie about the Jehovahs witnesses.

Jesus said go out unto the world and preach the gospel, and I thought what better place is to go, is meet with other believers,

no need to think about better places to go, follow the instructions of Jesus and the examples of his disciples when they preached. They did not go from church to church.!

but the only problem I found was difficult was the JW's preached another Jesus, and another Father God.

@ bold, can you see how difficult it is to understand what you write?.
that you can't answer those questions asked you about what you've learnt about Jesus, and can't respond to statements made by Jesus shows that the jesus that's recorded in the scriptures is different from the jesus you know, hence it will definitely be different from the jesus known to Jehovah Witnesses.

Your jesus is different cus he does not have a God like the jesus in the scriptures.
He does not have a head and he is not subjected to a God like the jesus in the scriptures. that is why anytime those verses are being presented to you, you act as if you did not see them.

I had asked them why don't they preach the bible, I was told, they only use their bibles when they are out witnessing. And the church is based upon the Watchtower..

continue lying, I've quote from the kjv several times to you on this thread, you cannot respond to them, and you are still asking why they dnt preach the bible.

But I still witnessed to them about Jesus, until they asked me to leave.

you preach to them while going from church to church? liar!

The JW Church is like at first a room of silence, then someone tells the church about their church actives, then everyone sits quite until some one {preacher} starts reading from the Watchtower magazines, asking questions, while the sitters rise their hands and answer them, it was like sitting in a classroom at a School. So I can understand why you don't know the meaning to praising and glorifying God, its another word for celebration, a gathering,
knowledgeable, happy, enjoyable, Is usually used when their is a church gathering. Singing Joy to the Lord.

you are a comfirmed liar!.

So I see' you are only guessing about the wise men and your 40 day theory? Which you haven't rightly backed up with any scriptures only these two that don't fit the bill>
{Luke 2:23 Leviticus 22:2-4} Mr big mouth himself, had finally admitted he doesn't know' when and where the wise men had seen the child?

your refusal to quote those scriptures or give contrary explanation to the one I gave about those scriptures shows you aim is to always find fault whichever way possible.
those scriptures shows that Mary did go to the temple with her husband and Jesus. The law states that a woman who has given birth cannot enter into the temple until a time period had passed. The total time period is 40 DAYS. THEREFORE BROCAB, MARY COULD NOT HAVE ENTERED THE TEMPLE UNTIL 40 DAYS AFTER JESUS BIRTH! JOSEPH DID NOT WAIT 40 DAYS AFTER THE ANGEL TOLD HIM TO FLEE TO FIRST TAKE MARY TO THE TEMPLE. THE ASTROLOGERS WHO SAID JESUS HAD ALREADY BEEN BORN AND WANTED TO SEE HIM WOULD HAVE SEEN JESUS 40 DAYS OR MORE AFTER JESUS BIRTH!
If the above explanation coupled with the scriptures you refuse to quote, now added with the words found at matt 2:1, is not able to make you see that the astrologers could only see jesus in a house after he was born. then there's nothing further I can say.
If magicians, pagans and astrologers come for your children's birthday, you can invite them in. But I'm sure that Jesus parents who like every other loyal worshiper of Jehovah in isreal, wunt do so cus they dnt celebrate birthdays and view it as a pagan practise!

No scriptures proves otherwise? And you calling me a lair and you can't come up with the answers either? No-one is interested in any of your theories.

you are a comfirmed liar brocab, I've quoted and explained the scripture to you, you refuse to show proof about the lamb birth theory. From the moment you could not quote, accept or explain what the bible writer wrote in matt 2:1, (which i quoted from several translations to you), I knew all you will do next is to lie!. even when I showed you that Jesus was in a house and not a manger, all you could do was asked who payed the house rent.

You did say you could answer what time flame the wise men had seen the child?

and I've shown you the time frame, using events that happened around jesus birth.
Matt 2:1 tells us that they came to meet herod after jesus had been born!

Guessing a point of view isn't the same as the scriptures written in the bible' now is it?. Without having the evidence, you really have showing us the truth about yourself? Having a lying tongue like yours, providing me with verses that don't belong.

dnt belong to what? told you to always complete your sentence.
Mary could not have entered the temple until 40 days after the birth of Jesus.
Joseph fled in the night immediately after the astrologers left.
therefore Mary could only have taken the child to the temple before the astrologers came!

Besides Your story sounds too far fetched. Does this mean you are glassed as a bigger lair because you couldn't produce any bible evidence?
With my own interpretation" Not the bible" Pagan or not? Mary and Joseph had accepted the gifts that were given to the Child, and I believe Jesus received the gifts before everyone around the district knew He ever existed.

matt 2:1 is an evidence that you have refused to quote or respond to! your refusal to respond to that verse shows you are a liar.
brocab, some people at the temple knew who Jesus is, and they did not hide their knowledge.

Even if it was a day later the wise men still gave gifts to Jesus for His arrival, celebrating His birth, {Birthday} celebrating the King of the Jews had FINALLY ARRIVED. The story tells us the shepherds had worshipped the child with great joy, praising God for sending the One and only 'true God" Jesus Christ. Amen.

can you quote scriptures that surpport the bolded above. Jesus himself called the father "THE ONLY TRUE GOD", is the jesus the father ? no ooooo ooo!
you can see that you are not even sure again about which day the astrologers came to see jesus.
The astrologers have more than once, told you why they wanted to see jesus!

Mr dolphinheart . I can't wait until you answer me why you believe Jesus is Michael the archangel? When God said {Hebrews 1:5} "For to which of the angels did God ever say "You are My son.
And in {Hebrew 1:13} "For to which of the angels did God ever say "Sit at My right Hand.
And did you enjoy all the missing scriptures or lets say the change around scriptures that was removed or twisted around from your bible?

you go wait for that one, wunt allow it distract the issues at hand. still need to handle some scriptures you have refused to respond to.

Interesting isn't it.
Now don't let your big noting pride get in the way? it was between the last of Matthew 1, and the beginning of Matthew 2. Its like the theory of the wise men the scriptures clam up. That not even you can come up with any of the answers.

I'm not the one saying "I'm this" "I'm that" na, so where did i show pride?

see again!? You cannot quote the last verse of matt chapter 1 and first verse of matt chapter 2, cus its content shows you a liar.
why wunt you view it as "clam up", when your aim is to lie about . The record about the astrologers as stated in Matthew, started AFTER Jesus had been born!

let's clear some of these issues up pls before you run to another one, the issues have been stated several times. They are posted once again below.
[b]
Note :
Brocab, you have still refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

Amplified bible-{John 4:23} "But the time is coming, and is already here when the true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit {From the heart the inner self} and in truth, the Father seeks such people to be His worshippers. God is Spirit {The source of life, yet invisible to mankind} And those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
As I had said from the beginning God is Spirit, and no one has seen God at any time.
KJ Bible-{Matthew 10:19-20} But when they hand you over, do not worry but how or what you are to say, for what you are to say, will be given you WITHIN that {very} hour. For it is not you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
{The Spirit of God speaks through us, like He did with Peter}
If God was another man, then how can another man speak through another man?
{John 15:26} "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father the Spirit of truth who go's out from the Father-He will testify about Me.
If the Father was another human being, as you Jw's believe He is, Then Jesus would see God, and God wouldn't send Moses and Elijah who stood in Spirit with Jesus on the mount. He would come Himself.
So this proves Jesus can only speak to God through word, Not as a Spirit being like Moses and Elijah had come.
And if God was a man like being, then How does one man speak through another, if God is a man Himself? Would God not Have a spirit form like Moses and Elijah? Did Jesus only speak to God in Spirit, that no-man has seen at any time. Jesus had always spoke of God as a Spirit, He never spoke of God as a second man.
And if God is the Spirit, and Jesus came to earth as a man, filled with the Holy spirit that proceeded out from the Father God, then one spirit and one man equals one being working together in Spirit and in truth.
Like in a marriage we become one.
{1 John 5:7} "For theirs three that bear record in heaven, The Father the word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are ONE.
But because your NWT bible had removed many of these scriptures, It makes it difficult for you to understand, what we understand.
No-one is denying the Father, but in your case-you believe the father is like another human being, when the bible clearly states He is not.
So Jesus was not denying that God existed {Philippians 2:5-11} Having this mind amongst yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though He was in the form of God, did not account equality with God, a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, by taking the form of a servant being born in the likeness of men, and being found in human form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death. even death on the cross. Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
He and the Father are one, one Spirit one man. John 20:28 When Thomas said My Lord and My God, why didn't Jesus correct Him? Acts 7:59-60 Why did Steven call upon God, and saying Lord Jesus receive my spirit? And why did Jesus say before Abraham I am?
So theirs a lot to answer for, and your bible removing these missing links sure makes a difference in word.

{John 14:9} He who has seen Me, has seen the Father.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab

It stays bagged until evidence are brought forward to surpport the truthfulness of the story. its the person who says the story is true that will bring up evidences, if no proof is brought forward, the story will not be accepted!


brocab , why do you lie. You used the " lamb being born at a particular time" issue to determine when Jesus was born and not the other way way round. therefore if your lamb issue is faulty and cannot be proven, then jesus being born in Nissan period is also faulty and cannot be proven.


and you have been unable to provide just one example of how I twist your words.
If you cant understand , read it again before reply. And if you still dnt understand, ask and more details will be provided.


These sentence of yours shows how hard it is to understand what you are saying!


the bolded tells a lot about how you write.
brocab stop lying na!. you just formulate these things up as it comes to your head!, why are you so desperate to lie about the Jehovahs witnesses.


no need to think about better places to go, follow the instructions of Jesus and the examples of his disciples when they preached. They did not go from church to church.!


@ bold, can you see how difficult it is to understand what you write?.
that you can't answer those questions asked you about what you've learnt about Jesus, and can't respond to statements made by Jesus shows that the jesus that's recorded in the scriptures is different from the jesus you know, hence it will definitely be different from the jesus known to Jehovah Witnesses.

Your jesus is different cus he does not have a God like the jesus in the scriptures.
He does not have a head and he is not subjected to a God like the jesus in the scriptures. that is why anytime those verses are being presented to you, you act as if you did not see them.


continue lying, I've quote from the kjv several times to you on this thread, you cannot respond to them, and you are still asking why they dnt preach the bible.



you preach to them while going from church to church? liar!


you are a comfirmed liar!.



your refusal to quote those scriptures or give contrary explanation to the one I gave about those scriptures shows you aim is to always find fault whichever way possible.
those scriptures shows that Mary did go to the temple with her husband and Jesus. The law states that a woman who has given birth cannot enter into the temple until a time period had passed. The total time period is 40 DAYS. THEREFORE BROCAB, MARY COULD NOT HAVE ENTERED THE TEMPLE UNTIL 40 DAYS AFTER JESUS BIRTH! JOSEPH DID NOT WAIT 40 DAYS AFTER THE ANGEL TOLD HIM TO FLEE TO FIRST TAKE MARY TO THE TEMPLE. THE ASTROLOGERS WHO SAID JESUS HAD ALREADY BEEN BORN AND WANTED TO SEE HIM WOULD HAVE SEEN JESUS 40 DAYS OR MORE AFTER JESUS BIRTH!
If the above explanation coupled with the scriptures you refuse to quote, now added with the words found at matt 2:1, is not able to make you see that the astrologers could only see jesus in a house after he was born. then there's nothing further I can say.
If magicians, pagans and astrologers come for your children's birthday, you can invite them in. But I'm sure that Jesus parents who like every other loyal worshiper of Jehovah in isreal, wunt do so cus they dnt celebrate birthdays and view it as a pagan practise!


you are a comfirmed liar brocab, I've quoted and explained the scripture to you, you refuse to show proof about the lamb birth theory. From the moment you could not quote, accept or explain what the bible writer wrote in matt 2:1, (which i quoted from several translations to you), I knew all you will do next is to lie!. even when I showed you that Jesus was in a house and not a manger, all you could do was asked who payed the house rent.

and I've shown you the time frame, using events that happened around jesus birth.
Matt 2:1 tells us that they came to meet herod after jesus had been born!


dnt belong to what? told you to always complete your sentence.
Mary could not have entered the temple until 40 days after the birth of Jesus.
Joseph fled in the night immediately after the astrologers left.
therefore Mary could only have taken the child to the temple before the astrologers came!


matt 2:1 is an evidence that you have refused to quote or respond to! your refusal to respond to that verse shows you are a liar.
brocab, some people at the temple knew who Jesus is, and they did not hide their knowledge.


can you quote scriptures that surpport the bolded above. Jesus himself called the father "THE ONLY TRUE GOD", is the jesus the father ? no ooooo ooo!
you can see that you are not even sure again about which day the astrologers came to see jesus.
The astrologers have more than once, told you why they wanted to see jesus!

you go wait for that one, wunt allow it distract the issues at hand. still need to handle some scriptures you have refused to respond to.

I'm not the one saying "I'm this" "I'm that" na, so where did i show pride?

see again!? You cannot quote the last verse of matt chapter 1 and first verse of matt chapter 2, cus its content shows you a liar.
why wunt you view it as "clam up", when your aim is to lie about . The record about the astrologers as stated in Matthew, started AFTER Jesus had been born!

let's clear some of these issues up pls before you run to another one, the issues have been stated several times. They are posted once again below.
[b]
Note :
Brocab, you have still refused to:

(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

brocab:
Amplified bible-{John 4:23} "But the time is coming, and is already here when the true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit {From the heart the inner self} and in truth, the Father seeks such people to be His worshippers. God is Spirit {The source of life, yet invisible to mankind} And those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

and do you see who true worshipers worship? The verse you quotes said they worship " THE FATHER".
A big question I've been asking you for ages now is: is jesus same person as the father?

As I had said from the beginning God is Spirit, and no one has seen God at any time.
KJ Bible-{Matthew 10:19-20} But when they hand you over, do not worry but how or what you are to say, for what you are to say, will be given you WITHIN that {very} hour. For it is not you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
{The Spirit of God speaks through us, like He did with Peter}
If God was another man, then how can another man speak through another man?

with your lies and refusal to quote and explain scriptures put to you, I dnt think you are part of the people jesus was talking to.
1. I've never told you that God was a man, therefore your question is not for me.
2. you claim that Jesus in you, now does jesus speak through you?, is jesus not a man?
(another question I know you wunt respond to )

{John 15:26} "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father the Spirit of truth who go's out from the Father-He will testify about Me.
If the Father was another human being, as you Jw's believe He is, Then Jesus would see God, and God wouldn't send Moses and Elijah who stood in Spirit with Jesus on the mount. He would come Himself.

WHY DO YOU ALWAYS LIE BROCAB!

So this proves Jesus can only speak to God through word, Not as a Spirit being like Moses and Elijah had come.

you want to extablish a theory through lies right!. If you do small research and check if jesus was a spirit or not when he came to earth and after he went to heaven, it will help a lot.

And if God was a man like being, then How does one man speak through another, if God is a man Himself? Would God not Have a spirit form like Moses and Elijah? Did Jesus only speak to God in Spirit, that no-man has seen at any time. Jesus had always spoke of God as a Spirit, He never spoke of God as a second man.

wow!, I'm waiting for you to tell me who ever told you the father was ever a man!

And if God is the Spirit, and Jesus came to earth as a man, filled with the Holy spirit that proceeded out from the Father God, then one spirit and one man equals one being working together in Spirit and in truth.

Haba!, brocab, before jesus came to earth as a man, what form or nature was he? answer that and you'll stop this "one spirit, one man", false theory. even you do not believe it, that's why you can't answer where you place the soul in all these your theory. I asked you several questions on these, but you failed to answer. Any theory built on lies, when it's tested with questions, will fail woefully!

Like in a marriage we become one.

do they become one person? no!
do they become one man? no!
do their bodies merge and become just one entity? no!
therefore to become one means they are united, having same purpose!

{1 John 5:7} "For theirs three that bear record in heaven, The Father the word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are ONE.
But because your NWT bible had removed many of these scriptures, It makes it difficult for you to understand, what we understand.

It is very difficult for me to understand false doctrines based on additions and insertions into the scriptures.

brocab, go and do a research on those scriptures you say where omitted, ive given you some reasons, but you did not reply them. I even told you to check the footnote of the nkiv, at least you believe those versions , this you refuse to do. How do you want to now learn the truth when you refuse to do simple research.

"The Comma Johanneum (or Johannine Comma or Heavenly Witnesses) is a comma (a short clause) in the First Epistle of John, 1 John 5:7–8 . The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in subsequent copies.
The passage in question, 1 John 5:7–8 (KJV), with the Comma in bold print , reads:
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven ,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
8. And there are three that bear witness in earth ,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one. [a]
The Comma and the question of its authenticity have particular bearing on the development of the doctrine of the Trinity , which is central to most mainstream......."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

No-one is denying the Father, but in your case-you believe the father is like another human being, when the bible clearly states He is not.

stop lying brocab!, it does not help.
You are not denying the Father , but you can't answer the question if jesus is the same person as the father?
you are not denying the Father, but you can't quote where Jesus and the disciples refered to the father as his and their God!
you are not denying the Father, but you can't quote where Jesus said the father is the only true God!

So Jesus was not denying that God existed {Philippians 2:5-11} Having this mind amongst yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though He was in the form of God, did not account equality with God, a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, by taking the form of a servant being born in the likeness of men, and being found in human form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death. even death on the cross. Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

you read this scriptures and yet you spill falsehood?, do you not understand what you are being told there?
can you not see that the God being refered to in those verses is a different person from Jesus?
The verses tell you who God is, it tells you that that God exalted jesus, yet you do not want to believe.

He and the Father are one, one Spirit one man. John 20:28 When Thomas said My Lord and My God, why didn't Jesus correct Him?

I've answered you already, you did not respond, now you are repeating the question.

Acts 7:59-60 Why did Steven call upon God, and saying Lord Jesus receive my spirit?

Because he saw Jesus, who he recognises as one sent to save him, standing by God's right side!
Ac 7:55,56 (kjv)-But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Ro 8:34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

remember, by these time, Jesus had been given all authority, including the authority to resurected to eternal life.

And why did Jesus say before Abraham I am?

he said so because he so because he existed before Abraham!

So theirs a lot to answer for, and your bible removing these missing links sure makes a difference in word.

I've answered your questions including the additions to the scriptures. hope you can answer some of mine stated below.


[b]
(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

The things you ask none of it makes any sense. I am puzzled why you even believe you are a Christian, you have given me scriptures that not even you believe in them, so how can I answer them for you, when you don't listen to reason anyway. Your beliefs are based on fiction and theory, and none of that catches any thought. This is why I haven't answered your demands, you don't even believe in Jesus is the Son of God, but in some other form you believe Michael the archangel came to earth to take on the role to be the Son of God. So what scriptures I have written none so what ever' you agree with anyway, calling me a lair is your greatest tool, and yet its all written in the bible. But not your bible, because as we all know your so called Greek scholars had rewritten it, so the truth won't be revealed.
This argument isn't going anywhere, matter of fact you are kind of boring, you don't answer my questions, but yet you expect me to always answer yours. Theirs no way I would become a JW, as far as I am concern you are the biggest liars I have ever come across. Your organization has twisted the word of God by taken away the truth from God's word, by doing this you are leading thousands of lost souls to hell with you. Lying to the public is what you all have been trained to do.

brocab:
The things you ask none of it makes any sense.

we now know that questions dnt make sense when you can't answer them!, imagine a request that you explain certain scriptures posted to you dont make sense.

I am puzzled why you even believe you are a Christian,

as long as you can't quote jesus words found in the scriptures, as long as you can't explain what jesus said their, you will be puzzled!

you have given me scriptures that not even you believe in them, so how can I answer them for you, when you don't listen to reason anyway.

see excuse o!

Your beliefs are based on fiction and theory, and none of that catches any thought.

my belief's are based on the scriptures, I show it to you anytime I talk about my beliefs. The false beliefs you formulated in your mind and posted here can't be supported by scripture and collapses when scrutinised. hence you try to change the topic and refuse to answer questions associated with your beliefs.

This is why I haven't answered your demands,

brocab, you CANT answer my questions!

you don't even believe in Jesus is the Son of God, but in some other form you believe Michael the archangel came to earth to take on the role to be the Son of God.

and yet I've been giving you countless scriptures that you cannot quote, showing you that Jesus is the son of God.
"came to earth to take on the role"? .brocab, you've started with these your subtle lies again today, when will these lies end!


let's see if you can explain these verses : I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Heb 1: 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

So what scriptures I have written none so what ever' you agree with anyway, calling me a lair is your greatest tool, and yet its all written in the bible.

I do not disagree with the scriptures, I only disagree when you say things the scriptures does not tell you, when you formulate things out of nowhere.
calling you a liar is not a tool, calling you a liar is just stating a fact, YOU LIE A LOT BROCAB!
I've shown you where you lie, anytime you lie. You do not respond to that that particular accusation, anytime it occurs!

But not your bible, because as we all know your so called Greek scholars had rewritten it, so the truth won't be revealed.

there is a whole post waiting for you to respond to on these issue, go back there and respond to it! check the footnote of the nkjv when you respond to each of the scriptures listed.

This argument isn't going anywhere, matter of fact you are kind of boring, you don't answer my questions, but yet you expect me to always answer yours.

things become boring when one is being exposed. my reply to your last post is an example showing that I indeed respond to all your questions, and once response is given , you run away from talking about it again.

Theirs no way I would become a JW,

I'm not asking you to be one, God said meek people, not those that are desperate to find fault, that lie to achieve their aim, that can't quote and explain the scriptures when asked to!

as far as I am concern you are the biggest liars I have ever come across. Your organization has twisted the word of God by taken away the truth from God's word, by doing this you are leading thousands of lost souls to hell with you. Lying to the public is what you all have been trained to do.

It can remain a concern to you, but anytime you bring a lie or wrong understanding of their beliefs up, you will be told the truth!

below are the things you refuse to respond to :

[b]
(1)Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

(2) bring out one thing that I wrote that the organization denied!
Note: the organization, and not a third party, or outsider must deny it. It must be from official sources.
Your failure to do so will comfirm to all that you are a liar, someone who use lies to respond to the truth being shown to him.

(3)Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

(4) Tell me brocad, which organization today does these(the preaching work) best, the way Jesus proscribed and the disciples practised. I know you know it, but hatred will now allow you mention them.

(5)You are a systemic liar, the God I worship was never a human and I never said or implied so!.

You cannot attempt to answer the questions :
When you say he is spirit, are you saying God is the spirit in Jesus when he was here on earth?
Pls say yes and ill show you how much of your doctrines is full of falsehood.
Saying no will show that your doctrine lacks prove.(I believe you wunt answer anyway)
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You cannot respond ;
Liar, liar, liar! Show where I said so. Show where I used the words " Jesus isn't a God".

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1-6 from any translation of your choice
Explain verses 1 and 6....
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....


brocab , readers will note(again and again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others ill add later.

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

brocab:
I am a born again Christian, a pentecostal believer.
What don't you understand, claiming to be a JW does not provide any evidence you are a true believer in Christ. None so far what you have showing me makes any sense, your bible says one thing' and you say another trying to convict your own bible.
Revelation 1:1-8 "Tells us clearly who Jesus is' Jehovah God" and you in your own miserable power are trying to confuse the idea your bible didn't even write such a verse, I am the Alpha and the Omega says Jehovah God.
Verse 4 "which is, which was, and which is to come, this sure tells us clearly who this is-and if you believe its, Jehovah God, then you must believe Jehovah God is Jesus, or maybe you are trying to draw my attention away from this scripture because you believe this is a misprint written by the JW's?
Plus you have failed to answer every question I have laid out on this page, and yet true believers don't lie against the truth like you and your followers do, which church' what Church doesn't really matter, its the fruit we judge by, and so far, I have witnessed the JW's speak with fork tongue, nothing makes any sense in the NWT bible literature, It says one thing and convicts its own writings in the other, no-wonder we and the JW's are confused.
plus It's important for us viewers to know your secrets, about the corruptions that happens within the walls of the JW's organization. Firstly you should know about yourselves, before you claim any judgement against any other church that stands for Christ.

ogbeni, who ask you all this ?

simple question: Which church do you associate with ? tell the name ? tell us their website and let's see if they follow the scriptural counsel regarding what's to be done to unrepentant sinners . simple


abi aya e n ja ni ?

First answer this>where do we keep Jesus in a church building, or in our hearts?
And tell me, what rights have you got to try and corner me into a Church building so you can cause mockery and insults to an Church organization I may not be following. You should be looking for all the corruptions that's "worldly known" in your Church, before you think to judge another.

CANTICLES:
ogbeni, who ask you all this ?

simple question: Which church do you associate with ? tell the name ? tell us their website and let's see if they follow the scriptural counsel regarding what's to be done to unrepentant sinners . simple


abi aya e n ja ni ?

brocab:
Satan had also used Judus, like he did with Peter, and Jesus rebuked both of them.
Only because Peter and Judus did not understand the fruit of the spirit Jesus was teaching His disciples. Both allowed the flesh to ruin their lives.
Judus was found dead of suicidal' in the flesh that's a difficult decision to make. Don't forget Judus understood his flesh-more then he understood the spirit, So who was Judus listening too, to make his final leap.
Peter was their while Jesus was captured, denying Him 3 times as Jesus had predicted it..
But it was John who stood at the foot of the cross. Not Peter.
Your not understanding its the flesh we war against everyday the principalities and the darkness in this world, the demons of this world can course our flesh to stumble, if we are not tuning into the word of God to build up our spiritual armour, then we are weak-and our weakness will always course us to fall.
So the words Jesus had spoken to Him, were spoken to Peter's weaknesses he had in the flesh..
Peter wanted to prove his point to Jesus at all times, in the flesh Peter cut of the guards ear, and it was Jesus who laid his hand healing that same guard, Peter wanted to destroy.
So you see the flesh and the spirit can't work together-matter of fact they work against each other. Our flesh will always turn away from the word of God, flesh is blind, it can only see fleshly worldly things. Spiritual knowledge will always lead us to the love of Christ.
Jesus said to Peter get behind Me Satan.

You mean Judas and Peter were both ruined?
Funny!
Peter was no where to be compared with Judas.

Judas betrayed Jesus by selling him and remained unrepentant.
Peter denied Jesus and felt hurt.
I dont understand what you mean by Peter allowing the flesh to ruin his life.

What is RUIN?

brocab:
Hmmm" let me see, "Pentecostal" Pentecostal Churches have many names written above their Churches, like the Baptise, or lets say AOG, or COC, some Churches use names such as Hill songs, so they could be recolonized by the public, and they are easy to find in the directory.
But the main thing is they are pentecostal Christians.
Like the JW's they also have different names to their many Churches spread across the nations, like the Watchtower, the universal life Church, and still people are confused about their teachings. And you are right God don't enter into a false Church, this is why you haven't found God in yours.
But then we have men and women come in wearing sheep clothing, who claim they are Christians on the outside, but inside they are ravening wolves. We call them Prosperity Preachers, who believe that godliness is away of making money, twisting the word of God around for financial gain, but the Lord says it clearly in word, from such withdraw yourselves.
Same with the JW's many believe in the false God, believing in a God they don't even know.
So you see I am a pentecostal Christian, and I believe in the only true God Jesus Christ.
I am a born again Christian and my goals in life is to write down the truth, what is truth? The truth is Jesus Christ.
His Spirit roams around at home, in the streets, at the office, in my heart, in my thoughts, in my Spirit, Christ is everywhere. Christ don't live in Churches made from brick and mortar, Christ' Spirit lives in all those who have chosen to believe, and had made that first step in becoming a born again Christian, same like the disciples, they too were pentecostal's after Jesus had sent them His Helper to teach them all things.
Would you like the address?
Revelation 1:1-6 well I have already written down verse 4" and "1-2-3-5-6" says the Father, and who is to come the almighty {Omnipotent the ruler of all} verse 7-8 with what description had the JW's given God, "the almighty God" and what description had the JW's given Jesus "the mighty" and who's coming back the almighty. Even the New World Translation had written it Almighty Jehovah God is coming back, and who's coming back? Jesus is coming back, the true and only' faithful Jehovah God.

You believe in the only true God JESUS CHRIST?
You don't know how much you just contradicted the bible now.

John 17:3 This means everlasting life their taking in Knowledge of you the only true God and Jesus whom you sent.(note: Jesus prayed).

If the above verse is quoted correctly,I do not hear Jesus calling himself only true God.

Jehovah's witnesses are one all over the world and have no denominations like Watchtower,etc
I don't really know where you get those from but please refrain from speaking ill against other religions.

Pentecostal? I know you guys very well.
Jehovah's witnesses believe in false gods that they don't know?
I think that comment should be directed back to you since you couldn't even decipher the difference between what the bible teaches and what you believe.

brocab:
Listen there is no truth in you, I was there, and I witnessed what I had seen. You JW's are all the same, you will lie because you are trained to lie.
And God was with us that evening, Haven't you heard God is a jealous God, and He will do anything to protect His own.

You are really good at lying against people.
so you mean to tell me that all Jws are liers?
This statement actually makes you a lier and no one listens to a lier.
There is no way a large group of people will all be liers,its impossible.

xerxesII:
Y'all JW never cease to amaze me

Imagine, some set of caucasians(governing body) instruct y'all not to allow your kids go to the university but their own kids have several academic degrees. . .

I know of an elder that had to pull his daughter from school coz he doesn't wanna lose the 'privilege' as an elder

who does that?

Dude you can lie for Africa.

A set of Caucasians who govern us,
An elder pulls daughter away from university cos of privilege.

Really who does that?!
None.

brocab:
You say our churches are deserting our members, didn't you read all that page I wrote about the two X JW's, now belong to the true faith of Jesus Christ, had joined with us, as born again Christians.

There are thousand of X JW's who have either lost their loves ones, through marriage, because the JW's had separated them both, {Only because one is not a follower of the JW's} and its not lawful for two to stand together in the eye's of your organization Jehovah.
Which of the Jehovah, do you follow?

Our God said: {Mark 10:8-9} "And the two shall become one flesh, that they are no longer two but one flesh, therefore what God has joined together let no man separate. Till death do we part is written on every marriage contract.

Lets look at your final decision you make when your only child dies because you won't save her life' given her the blood she needs to live.
JW's Jehovah believe humans and animals blood are the same, and is all contaminated.

Our God said: {1 John 1:6-7} "If we say we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practise the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the Blood of Jesus purifies us from all sin.
JW's can't accept the fact that God made us in His own image, which means its the blood of Christ that saves lives, God's blood isn't contaminated.

Do you honestly believe your Church will keep growing, and I bet you believe your Church will be last one standing on this earth in the last day's, "I believe you"

Because Christ will have already called his Church to be with Him in the air, As He Promised. {1Thessalonians 4:7}

If you want to know Jehovah's witnesses why question their Ex's.

Thats not logical at all.

You are right,there are so many things the world does that we don't.
And to us thats okay.
since obedience to Jehovah is better than any sacrifice,any reason or any pain.

If Adam had obeyed Jehovah,I bet things would be far different than it is now.

brocab:
Is this the only way you would describe who Jesus is? Not even in your own words you couldn't tell me how much Jesus means to you?
Are you sure this is your only way you can describe someone you love so dearly?
Did I ask you not to pass on any scriptures, describe Jesus from your heart, not the heart of someone else. Passing Peters description did not come from Peter.
So your description is not your own-and because I am expecting you to give something different from that of Peter or the scriptures is not possible. Nothing is impossible to God.
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Don't you know, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Then this proves the Spirit of God does not live inside you.

Peter was there with Jesus and he knows him fully well.
What better description can we give aside the one he gave?
We can only imitate,yes! Imitate their faith,their description,their walk and everything else there is.

DebbyChris:
Jesus is the only way to the father(God) if u don't believe in him u are already condemn. No matter ur door to door preaching, not believing in Jesus has made that ur great art of preaching useless.

Do you believe in Jesus more than Jehovah's witnesses?