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Re: The True Problem With The National Team by sheunsheun(m): 2:09pm On Mar 30, 2016
Imagine our coach was shouting, "lets go boys" "Mikel go back" "No no no" etc on the touchline, just like my primary school coach, Musa was silent all through, he did nothing about it, he removed d only threat to Sallah nd brot on Echejile, evn the commentators where disappointed. Moses Simon after is performance in Kaduna was relegated to the bench in place of lifeless Musa, so many faults we can point out. The problem is that our local coaches just lack tactical knowledge/Discipline, and NFF is not helping matters too.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 2:11pm On Mar 30, 2016
safarigirl:
We have all the talent we need, more talent than the likes of Netherlands, England, Algeria, CIV....we have a golden generation in our hands, boys who have it in them to break the records of Yekini, JJ Okocha, Kanu and Finidi George, but poor management and a corrupt administration will kill those talents every generation we get to.
No we dont. The sooner you wake up, the better.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Slimzjoe(m): 2:18pm On Mar 30, 2016
Safarigirl I Agree with most of Your Point but Won't with the Coach Team Selection.

Managers knows Best and Also Like Success Remember Keshi won the Afcon with the Team he Picked himself. And even though we where Screaming for him to Drop some Players, he stuck to them and got the Job Done.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Nobody: 2:19pm On Mar 30, 2016
Can someone point out a single establishment that the Nigerian government has successfully managed? The lust for transient unsustainable depthless success has robbed this country of its bright future. Nigeria is locked in its own made enigma.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TaiKuun(m): 2:20pm On Mar 30, 2016
Goke7:
Hello ma, the way you are bashing siasia is too harsh, what about the african Guardiola that ran away cos of Egypt, I think siasia should be commended for his bravery, was he disgraced? hell NO, can you blame siasia for the goals we conceded especially the one in Kaduna? That game was already won, siasia is just a victim of circimstance

The good joe has said it all, we don't have money now to employ any foreign coach abi dollar no scarce again?

The foundation of all this mess was not renewing keshi's contract after the world cup, amaju and his gang must go except we are doomed.
please with due respect, don't call Siasia bold, and stop saying he was a victim of circumstance. Hope you seriously got my point.

Cheers.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by safarigirl(op): 2:21pm On Mar 30, 2016
Slimzjoe:
Safarigirl I Agree with most of Your Point but Won't with the Coach Team Selection.

Managers knows Best and Also Like Success Remember Keshi won the Afcon with the Team he Picked himself. And even though we where Screaming for him to Drop some Players, he stuck to them and got the Job Done.
no, managers can be wrong too..... sometimes, they know nothing.

Did Moyes know best when Man U was sinking? What of Mourinho with Chelsea? The manager is not God, he is prone to mistakes and wrong calls
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Slimzjoe(m): 2:29pm On Mar 30, 2016
safarigirl:
no, managers can be wrong too..... sometimes, they know nothing.

Did Moyes know best when Man U was sinking? What of Mourinho with Chelsea? The manager is not God, he is prone to mistakes and wrong calls
You're Actually Agreeing with me here grin

Now Let's look at it like this, After Moyes and Jose Left there Respective Teams, did the Next Person Coming in Change the Team Fortune?? hmmm?

Managers Pick who Impressed them the Most or who they believe is Ready to Do Well For them and Then Leave the Rest To Fate.

Re: The True Problem With The National Team by princfred(m): 2:30pm On Mar 30, 2016
blueto:
I dissenter.

Yes, I accede that our coaches are being deprived of a palatable renumeration system and other incentive factors that elicit motivation.

But what should be the foremost incentive that will motivate a national team coach to shun prejudicial administration and optimally exploit his resources to secure palatable results for the nation and his employers?

For me, I believe it a Love For One's Country.

A coach is not suppose to be suasible and pliable enough to allow the deterrents from NFF to negatively influence his own dispensation if he is a partisan of patriotism.
Beyond patrotism Contract is contract. Give a soldier no food and no weapons and he becomes a prey not a predator on the battlefield.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Nobody: 2:30pm On Mar 30, 2016
Sia Sia's tactics was wrong yesterday.
1.The line up
2.bringing in defenders

Nevertheless,i dont want us to put the blame on him, we all know he's a good coach.Its Olish's fault.The coward was scared of Egypt
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by safarigirl(op): 2:32pm On Mar 30, 2016
Slimzjoe:
You're Actually Agreeing with me here grin

Now Let's look at it like this, After Moyes and Jose Left there Respective Teams, did the Next Person Coming in Change the Team Fortune?? hmmm?

Managers Pick who Impressed them the Most or who they believe is Ready to Do Well For them and Then Leave the Rest To Fate.

but Leicester gets Ranieri and go from relegation bound to UCL bound, magic? I think not
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by joey150(m): 2:35pm On Mar 30, 2016
my problem is every Nigerian knows Nigeria's problem.
The match against Egypt we had no business winning. Cause the coach simply told them pass the ball as slowly as you can, and wait for a lucky mistake.
Nobody plays football without a tactics or gameplan. Except of course...naija. Siasia disappointed me badly.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Goodnuel: 2:36pm On Mar 30, 2016
TheGoodJoe:

After the troubles Iwobi and Carl Ikeme faced at Kaduna, we can not blame Coach Siasia for leaving out Balogun earlier. The climate was not good for them.

Iwobi and Simon Moses would have given Ighalo more freedom but Ighalo gets his pick based on sentiments alone. This guy has only one goal since January. He is on a drought. I do not think we was the one to lead the line. Reports came out from the camp that Ighalo was wasteful and Iheanacho was the most clinical striker.

Why Coach Siasia chose to drop Iheanacho, beats me.
Bro, I get that you are a City Fan, but even the best strikers go on a drought. Even Aguero. That doesn't mean that you bench them for a non starter.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by donvicky2007: 2:42pm On Mar 30, 2016
NFF is the course of our backdrop in football.
Starting from NFF president to the least person should be sack.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Nobody: 2:45pm On Mar 30, 2016
Solution..
1.'Make sure NFF does not return any one who has the so called experience in managing football in Nigeria for 16 years.
2. Use tested consultants for all the departments of soccer administration in NFF and stop funding selected soccer events.
3. Have a special junior minister of football.
4. Sack Ahmadu Pinic or whatever is his name
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by redcliff: 2:49pm On Mar 30, 2016
Nff should be outsourced to a foreign government.... maybe swiss that are well known for good management standards.. smh
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by drinkmorewater: 2:49pm On Mar 30, 2016
There are just too many coaches in Nigeria bereft of the intricate technical knowledge needed to make a team succeed... Oh and am talking about the fans!


The main blame goes to the NFF, not keshi, oliseh or siasia or the 1001 players invited to play...
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m):
Some forumites don't just have the balls to come out straight but revert to subtle jibes.

This is an excerpt from an answer given to the one who says "same reagents always give same results". His question was, "will the same reagents, reactants and compounds used everytime experimentally produce different results?? He answered "No, it won't"...... Then the answer below arrived:

And yes!!!! Under varying degrees of different factors like Temperature, pressure and Volume (even concentration levels)....... The same reagents can yield different results
experimentally.
So that "14th experiment" may still turn out different
after all.
Here's the link for the discourse. Let people get the whole picture and not just one "biased" angle because someone wanna make a point.
https://www.nairaland.com/1952331/all-news-olympic-eagles-u-23/94#40480199
...On page 94 on the U-23 thread.


Note: Never present points or arguments outta context. It really sucks. He knows himself... #smiles
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On thread topic: Nicely said Safarihoney (aka Safarigirl).... But I'm tired of talking. I've been saying the same thing since 2006 when I was 14+ yrs old. I choose to focus on the positives of what Nigerian football still has going forward.... And that's the new golden generation rising.

People think the NFF must be perfect or super okay before Another Golden Era come to our football. (Check out what Aminu Maigari achieved despite all his flaws....... Pinnick and co are jokers).

I'm not saying they shouldn't but I've lost hope in seeing them do things right on a bigger scale. They get just a few things right but GET MANY THINGS WRONG.
**I await the next NFF admnistration abeg, hopefully they fare better than Pinnick and his gang**

Truth is I wish a "Kaduna Nzeogwu" is done in Nigerian football to bring some sanity.

The NFF even in the 90s (then NFA throughout the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s--- NFA founded in 1945) still had a lot of flaws yet the 90s produced Nigeria's best and most glorious moments in soccer. We know them today as the First and only Golden Generation so far with 5 CAF APOTY awards and much more in just one decade (1990-2000). It was "the decade of the Nigerians in soccer" no doubt.

I Still believe BUT the administration of our football must be purged. And our local coaches' mentality need re-branding........ They keep messing several things up. From Manu (I like this guy so much. He's U-17 coach again and I trust he's learnt his lessons... Hopefully), to Siasia to Keshi to Oliseh, they all have history of tactical ineptitude and player management issues.

Only Amuneke is yet to be soiled "so far"..... But I'm still watching.

Abeg... Lemme focus on the positives (the strong possibility of another Golden Generation in Iheanacho, Iwobi, Awaziem, Success, Ndidi and co). The change we seek in our football administration isn't gonna happen so fast....... though I really wish it can.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Nobody: 3:14pm On Mar 30, 2016
Wallahi Safarigirl, this your thread tight joor.

A zillion kisses for you..

Wishing you a resounding success in your Exams.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by dyn1800: 3:39pm On Mar 30, 2016
IGHALO DOESN'T THRIVE AS A LONE STRIKER

TheGoodJoe:

After the troubles Iwobi and Carl Ikeme faced at Kaduna, we can not blame Coach Siasia for leaving out Balogun earlier. The climate was not good for them.

Iwobi and Simon Moses would have given Ighalo more freedom but Ighalo gets his pick based on sentiments alone. This guy has only one goal since January. He is on a drought. I do not think we was the one to lead the line. Reports came out from the camp that Ighalo was wasteful and Iheanacho was the most clinical striker.

Why Coach Siasia chose to drop Iheanacho, beats me.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by forgiveness: 3:40pm On Mar 30, 2016
TheGoodJoe:

After the troubles Iwobi and Carl Ikeme faced at Kaduna, we can not blame Coach Siasia for leaving out Balogun earlier. The climate was not good for them.

Iwobi and Simon Moses would have given Ighalo more freedom but Ighalo gets his pick based on sentiments alone. This guy has only one goal since January. He is on a drought. I do not think we was the one to lead the line. Reports came out from the camp that Ighalo was wasteful and Iheanacho was the most clinical striker.

Why Coach Siasia chose to drop Iheanacho, beats me.
Stop defending the undefendable. Siasia was wrong to have dropped Balogun. Shikena!
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:52pm On Mar 30, 2016
Yes we do have the talents!!!!!! Even soccer analysts in the English media and top officials in the English FA agree to this.

One of the analysts even said, "It seems the future of world soccer rests with the Nigerians........" #he said much more.

So, the sooner you return to bed and wake up afresh, the better.

jayriginal:
No we dont. The sooner you wake up, the better.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by forgiveness: 4:08pm On Mar 30, 2016
In this case, Siasia was the biggest culprit. No doubt about that.

If NFF wants to retain him then i suggest they replace Emmanuel Amuneke and Saliu Yusuf with John Obuh and another responsible coach.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by uchennamani(m): 4:11pm On Mar 30, 2016
Is there anything like 'a true' problem?
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 4:16pm On Mar 30, 2016
TheSuperNerd:
Yes we do have the talents!!!!!! Even soccer analysts in the English media and top officials in the English FA agree to this.

One of the analysts even said, "It seems the future of world soccer rests with the Nigerians........" #he said much more.

So, the sooner you return to bed and wake up afresh, the better.
I doubt you'd be able to recognize talent if it poured cold water on you.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by MrBONE2(m): 4:30pm On Mar 30, 2016
safarigirl:
I've read many times from different people that the Nigerian national team, the Super Eagles suffer from a lack of 'quality' players. The team have been accused of having sub-standard players who never play their best in the Nigerian colours and I used to believe that.

I believed it so much, I advocated a total overhauling of the team- get in new guys, young blood with heart and mettle. People who are ready to lay it down for the green white green. That should work, right?

Fast forward today, and after watching our dismal outing in Egypt as well as prvious failures in the last U20 world Cup, I've come to the realistic conclusion that the problem with the team is the managers and administrators.

Yes, the National team coaches and their egos/sentiments have ruined us more times than I can remember. Was it Manu Garba in U20, dropping lethal Iheanacho, Simon Moses and Nwakali against Germany, for non-lethal guys? What of Keshi who kept on throwing in Yobo even when he was past his prime? Or Samson Siasia fielding the likes of Aminu Umar and directionless Musa against Egypt in a must-win game, while our best players in KD; Iheanacho, Iwobi and Simon Moses were on the bench? The same Siasia playing Ighalo- someone who can only function with a strike partner as a lone striker? What happened to Fernando Adi? A smart coach builds his team according to the strength(s) of his forward(s), you don't just throw a man into a line-up and hope he can pull a rabbit out his arse in 90 minutes

Some might say, don't blame the coach, but someone is responsible for Leicester topping the EPL with the SAME players they had when they were fighting relegation, and who is that? Did Egypt have better players than us as far as pedigree? Would the right coach have made a difference with the right team selection? By all means yes.

Those advocating for the foreign players, the Jordon Ibes, Delle Allis and Ross Barkley, what are the guarantees they still won't be overlooked by a local coach for some Festus Kingsley from NPFL or U23 when it matters? After all, Iwobi had to wait till 15 minutes to the end of the game to show his mettle despite his strong display in Kaduna. So, I can imagine your coaches would even bench CR7 if he could play for Nigeria. Why?

This is not to absolve the incompetent NFF of course, because they are majorly to blame for our instability. With their gross disregard and disrespect for local coaches and their constant failure to keep to contractual terms, NFF have continually chased away decent local coaches with disastrous results. Even those advocating to retain Siasia, do you think the same fate that met Oliseh and Keshi won't meet him? You think NFF will pay his salary? You think they won't override his decisions to slot in their favourites?

Unfortunately, until we rid the football body of those cancerous elements that have eaten deep into the system, we cannot expect any form of miracle on the pitch or from the same set of rotten coaches. The popular saying comes to play that even if you put make-up on a pig, a pig is still a pig.

As I type this, I have lost any form of hope of us qualifying for any tournament, even if we do, there are no long term solutions to our football woes, because even when it seems like we're making headway, something or someone always combusts. Even the foreign coaches will leave because of NFF and their shady ways.

We have all the talent we need, more talent than the likes of Netherlands, England, Algeria, CIV....we have a golden generation in our hands, boys who have it in them to break the records of Yekini, JJ Okocha, Kanu and Finidi George, but poor management and a corrupt administration will kill those talents every generation we get to.


Article Written By: Safarigirl

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Good Sisi! You re right.May Great One of KuVuKi Land bless you. grin
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:33pm On Mar 30, 2016
I understand you Sir. But it doesn't deny the facts on ground.

Besides, sometimes our misfortunes at tournaments or in competitive matches are down to coaches not utilizing properly the talents available to them.

Case study: Manu Garba @New Zealand 2015

Most recent case-study: Siasia vs Egypt yesterday. He benched better talents in Iwobi, Iheanacho and Moses Simon and went with Aminu Umar, Ahmed Musa....

jayriginal:
I doubt you'd be able to recognize talent if it poured cold water on you.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:35pm On Mar 30, 2016
Kuvuki gini?? Abeg don't bring that your "slap greeting" here ooo... Hahahahaha....

MrBONE2:
Good Sisi! You re right.May Great One of KuVuKi Land bless you. grin
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 4:54pm On Mar 30, 2016
TheSuperNerd:
I understand you Sir. But it doesn't deny the facts on ground.

Besides, sometimes our misfortunes at tournaments or in competitive matches are down to coaches not utilizing properly the talents available to them.

Case study: Manu Garba @New Zealand 2015

Most recent case-study: Siasia vs Egypt yesterday. He benched better talents in Iwobi, Iheanacho and Moses Simon and went with Aminu Umar, Ahmed Musa....
Everybody thinks they can do the job until they are on the hot seat. Ask Oliseh.

Players are benched or played for other reasons than talent. As a manager you have to make some tough decisions. When it turns out in your favor, you are a genius. When it doesnt, the fans call for your head. Ask Mourhinho.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by xtervaganza(m): 5:09pm On Mar 30, 2016
This article made sense until you said we have more talents than Holland and Algeria




Are you trolling? When it comes to spinning out talents there's hardly a country more prolific than Holland at it




And Algeria? Do we have a Benatia? A Brahimi or Mahrez? To mention a few



The sad truth is; we ni longer have the talents in this country . Gone are those days when talents masked the nff's ineptitude
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:20pm On Mar 30, 2016
It's not matter of "anybody thinking he/she knows better or can do better" but common sense.

Siasia goofed and there was no way he was going to win that game by benching 3 of our lethal attacking options in Iheanacho, Iwobi and Simon Moses.

Any keen analyst knew that. One even said moments to the game that Nigeria can't win without an Iheanacho on that field. We had no shots on goal for the entire first 45 mins. Why? Our sharpest shooter was benched.

You don't have to be a tactical genius to figure out that Siasia actually goofed in players selection. Whatever reasons other than talent he had for selecting that First XI can never be justified. You don't teach Class to Super Talents... They have it inborn.

Yes, Talent is never enough but in this case, that was what we needed to overcome a non-spectacular Egyptian side.

In the name of tough decisions, he got blinded to his way to victory over Victory and took the bend to defeat. His best attacking options were right there behind him.

jayriginal:
Everybody thinks they can do the job until they are on the hot seat. Ask Oliseh.

Players are benched or played for other reasons than talent. As a manager you have to make some tough decisions. When it turns out in your favor, you are a genius. When it doesnt, the fans call for your head. Ask Mourhinho.
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:22pm On Mar 30, 2016
Give me 10 names of high-flying Soccer Talents from Brazil, Argentina, Algeria and Holland aged 21/22 and below.

Give me 10 for each nation.

*waiting*



xtervaganza:
This article made sense until you said we have more talents than Holland and Algeria




Are you trolling? When it comes to spinning out talents there's hardly a country more prolific than Holland at it




And Algeria? Do we have a Benatia? A Brahimi or Mahrez? To mention a few



The sad truth is; we ni longer have the talents in this country . Gone are those days when talents masked the nff's ineptitude
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Ezemust: 5:33pm On Mar 30, 2016
ethnicity. watching the match in the northern part of Nigeria was an unforgettable experience. the northerners complained of mergnalisation.they said Siasia should be sacked for fielding only three Hausa players. they don't care about team performance. Siasia is Wise enough to field a BIAFRAN TEAM
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