curi00:


I dont know the Kanuri at all so thanks.
To me too Original Berbers are black. They are considered White because some of them are mixed with Hassaniyas Arabs, we call them Moors.
Those White Berbers also descent from White slaves (there was million of whites slaves between 16 an 19 centuries but we never heard about that). They dont have so much about Turk ancestry because Turk brought a lot of people from the slaves countries (Romania, Bulgaria, etc...).
When you say to White Berbers they descent from White Slavrs, they dont like that at all, they'll say no our skin's color has nothing to do with it, we are white because of the climate, Berbers have always been white there was a study about it , etc, etc...but when it concerns Black Berbers, all of sudden they are all slaves descendants.

Apparently, Berbers are originally from Somalia. There was a place in Somalia called The Berberland. They have also the same EB1B1B gene.
But now some false studies say the first North African male was white, etc....

I have read something like that before in regards to Somalia and the "Berbere" peoples. It would make sense as you know since Afro-Asiatic languages COME from East Africa and not the middle east. Amharic, Hausa, Ngas, Tamasheq, Somali, Tigriniya, etc. etc. are all Afro-Asiatic languages as is Arabic and Hebrew. So since we know that Afro-Asiatic languages come from East Africa and east Africans look a lot like us, then it's safe to say that original Arabic and Hebrew speakers were also possibly black.

I have actually spoken to a white Berber before and he said the same thing you said. I didn't want to put him down, but he agreed that Berbers were originally black so I didn't say anything to make him feel "less Berber".

Ihuomadinihu:

Of course,people like to limit bantus and other black negroid groups to the forest of interior Africa. That is nonesense in my opinion. Many West African mythologies posses stories of people coming/migrating from a northern axis. It will be ridiculous to deny the existence of these stories until further studies are made.
A close examination of Nsibidi and Egyptian hieroglyphics has revealed close relationship between both.

Hello friend, there are many African writing scripts similar to Egyptian hieroglyphics. I agree that Igbo Nsibidi is one of them.

Fulaman198:


I have read something like that before in regards to Somalia and the "Berbere" peoples. It would make sense as you know since Afro-Asiatic languages COME from East Africa and not the middle east. Amharic, Hausa, Ngas, Tamasheq, Somali, Tigriniya, etc. etc. are all Afro-Asiatic languages as is Arabic and Hebrew. So since we know that Afro-Asiatic languages come from East Africa and east Africans look a lot like us, then it's safe to say that original Arabic and Hebrew speakers were also possibly black.

I have actually spoken to a white Berber before and he said the same thing you said. I didn't want to put him down, but he agreed that Berbers were originally black so I didn't say anything to make him feel "less Berber".

Waou he at least admitted Berbers are originally black, surprising, it's very rare !

See how Bilal ibn Rabah (May peace be upon him) is always referred as the abyssinian slave but we rarely heard his father was actually arab. Bilal was described as very dark skin, handsome with a beautiful voice. How can he be very dark skin with an arab father, well because original arabs were dark skin black people like Ethiopians.
Now if this information is spread all over, the white arabs theory will fall down but they know the truth.

curi00:


Waou he at least admitted Berbers are originally black, surprising, it's very rare !

See how Bilal ibn Rabah (May peace be upon him) is always referred as the abyssinian slave but we rarely heard his father was actually arab. Bilal was described as very dark skin, handsome with a beautiful voice. How can he be very dark skin with an arab father, well because original arabs were dark skin black people like Ethiopians.
Now if this information is spread all over, the white arabs theory will fall down but they know the truth.

A walli jam bandiraawo.

You are right. The original Arabs were very dark in complexion. As aforementioned, Arabic is an Afro-Asiatic language like the many languages found in Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Mali, Maurtanie, etc. If Arabic is in the same language family as languages that all came from Africa (as Afro-Asiatic languages originated in Africa), that should tell people that Arabs themselves should also be of African origin originally. I think this is more prevalent in countries like Yemen.

The Arabs most people refer to today have a high admixture of Turk, Persian, etc. etc.. I don't think most have wondered why "Arabs" from Qatar, Oman, Yemen, etc. look different from Arabs from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, etc. At least you and I are not fooled by Western propaganda.

curi00:


Waou he at least admitted Berbers are originally black, surprising, it's very rare !

See how Bilal ibn Rabah (May peace be upon him) is always referred as the abyssinian slave but we rarely heard his father was actually arab. Bilal was described as very dark skin, handsome with a beautiful voice. How can he be very dark skin with an arab father, well because original arabs were dark skin black people like Ethiopians.
Now if this information is spread all over, the white arabs theory will fall down but they know the truth.

This is all very interesting but I think they called him that because his mother was a black slave.

VomeSchakleton:


This is all very interesting but I think they called him that because his mother was a black slave.

Yes but the fact his father was an arab is a very important information, it changes everything

curi00:

Yes but the fact his father was an arab is a very important information, it changes everything

Changes a lot. But I don't think you can use that as evidence for the "darkness" of arabs is what I'm saying since his mother was black. Usually such babies can go either way.

VomeSchakleton:


Changes a lot. But I don't think you can use that as evidence for the "darkness" of arabs is what I'm saying since his mother was black. Usually such babies can go either way.

I'm not using Bilal as the only one evidence, of course babies can go very dark !!! I was just giving an example and how it's interesting Bilal being half arab is rarely mentionned, they dont hide stuff at random.
Many arabs were described as dark skin included some of the Prophet(saws)'family members. Even today, South Yemenites are very dark skin, we dont need to do some research to realize that.
As Fulaman said, arabs of today are mixed with persian blood and others.