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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by CyberG: 4:38am On Nov 28, 2011
Katsumoto. . .you must be 100 years old (though I know you are not)! All these 1 day old babies debating sentimentally are really funny! None of them (most probably) was born then but will in fact take a position like they were the major actors. Katsumoto should be Visiting Professor of History in all Nigeria's universities if he has the time. None of the people debating have presented any convincing argument backed by dates, times and references yet their opinion is king and must be accepted? Well, I will be looking at the drilling all you little babies will get today and the only thing I would have liked to do is in fact scan his book references and paste them here. grin grin

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by GboyegaD(m): 5:53am On Nov 28, 2011
I wouldn't know much about who released Awolowo but I would recommend people read Why we struck by Ademoyejo and then we would understand better why the coup of 1966. That way we will be able to conclude what role each person played.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Relax101(m): 6:38am On Nov 28, 2011
Katsumoto:

How could Calabar have taken orders from Ojukwu when Decree 34, promulgated by Ironsi in just January 1966 made all civil servants report to Lagos. In a twist of wicked irony, the day after Ironsi signed decree 34, Ojukwu would declare publicly that the Igbo would export Igbo civil servants to other parts of the country even though their intended destination was the North because Ironsi had also banned compulsory Hausa tests for workers in the Northern region. How then can Ojukwu claim a few months later that the Warden at Calabar reported to him? Was Ojukwu paying the wages of federal workers?

I will get back once I check the books. I am away from home and I can't check those books online.

WTF!
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by CyberG: 7:28am On Nov 28, 2011
Hope this thread comes alive again with people who have objective references to support their positions?
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by PresidentT(m): 8:53am On Nov 28, 2011
Negro, u are on point! Ojukwu only seek cheap sympathy and justification for his greed to control southern Nigeria. I laugh when he said he released Awolowo as if that was done in good faith. Just for the record, before his so call Awo release, the Gowon led government championed by then Col Olutoye had plan to release Awolowo. Awo was the jewel both party wanted on their side. How can Ojukwu want Awo as president? When despite bein in military routed for Nnamdi Azikwe presidency? Fought and killed in other to install Irosi? Was negotiatin Lagos? Was negotiatin the removal of yet to be Biafran Army from the SW. Abegi! That man drew inspiration from ?
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by PresidentT(m): 9:21am On Nov 28, 2011
Took pain to read the whole thread. Katsumoto said it all. Katsumoto, u didn't tell them of Col Olutoye visit at the behest of Gowon to Awo. And that Awo was like the Prime Minister of Gowon's cabinet. Mind not Ojukwu and his wild claims.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by rhymz(m): 9:36am On Nov 28, 2011
Katsumoto and his arrogant revisionist accounts, one will think he actually witnessed the war, write with so much presumptions, funny enough, he forgets that writers too write with bias and as such could lean towards a slant to support or be against. It is only a person of unparalleled presumptuousness that would assert that he knows all there is to know about Nigeria's History based on books written mostly by people from his own tribe and thesame bias.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by PresidentT(m): 9:40am On Nov 28, 2011
Rhymz, General Gowon and Olutoye are still living. You can link up with them.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Nobody: 10:04am On Nov 28, 2011
Can you people talk without insulting each other?. Na wah for some people sha
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by rhymz(m): 10:08am On Nov 28, 2011
Link up with them and do what?? Every man's account of the events of course is geared towards painting themselves in good light. It does not neccessarily make what they say an absolut truth or lie, that is what I am trying to get across to some of us here, thundering like we know about the situation then more than the key players. It is like trying to tell me my own story, Katsumoto is fond of that.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by ICHINONYE(m): 10:40am On Nov 28, 2011
funny here
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Katsumoto: 1:17pm On Nov 28, 2011
CyberG:

Katsumoto. . .you must be 100 years old (though I know you are not)! All these 1 day old babies debating sentimentally are really funny! None of them (most probably) was born then but will in fact take a position like they were the major actors. Katsumoto should be Visiting Professor of History in all Nigeria's universities if he has the time. None of the people debating have presented any convincing argument backed by dates, times and references yet their opinion is king and must be accepted? Well, I will be looking at the drilling all you little babies will get today and the only thing I would have liked to do is in fact scan his book references and paste them here.  grin grin

Hahahaha @100 yr old comment. My age will surprise you.

There is no argument from the other side other than Ojukwu was Governor of the Eastern Region as if he worked part time in Calabar Prison.

rhymz:

Katsumoto and his arrogant revisionist accounts, one will think he actually witnessed the war, write with so much presumptions, funny enough, he forgets that writers too write with bias and as such could lean towards a slant to support or be against. It is only a person of unparalleled presumptuousness that would assert that he knows all there is to know about Nigeria's History based on books written mostly by people from his own tribe and thesame bias.

Why don't you put forward your own argument? It shouldn't be too difficult since you KNOW my account is revisionism. You can start by telling us that Awo was not released on the 8th of August 1966 and that Gowon did not become Head of State a week earlier before Awo was released.

Whenever someone puts forward an argument and backs it up with link to support it, you attempt to discredit by stating that it is biased. When a white man writes it, he is biased, when a Yoruba man writes it, he is biased, when a Bini man writes it, he is biased. Just a week ago, I had a debate with Dede1 and quoted Alexander Madiebo, the GOC of the Biafran Army, guess what happened? Dede1 still attempted to discredit Madiebo.

I will not respond to any other personal and distracting attacks on my person. Let any one who disagrees with my position put forward a convincing argument devoid of 'Ojukwu was the Governor of the Eastern Region'.

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by manchy7531: 3:06pm On Nov 28, 2011
Don’t forget that the political purpose of the coup, the Ifeajuna coup that began all this, was to hand power over to Awo.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590997.0.html
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by chuks0421(m): 3:19pm On Nov 28, 2011
This just shows the betrayal and the flip flop nature of an average yoruba man, Ojukwu released him and he turned against the Igbos
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Baawaa(m): 4:39pm On Nov 28, 2011
The problem was that Awolowo want to rule the 3 regions then,that was why he did not support Ibo.But it back-fired grin grin
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Elprinz(m): 7:09pm On Nov 28, 2011
Interesting!!
But why is there still hate when we claim to be one Nigeria.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by emmatok(m): 8:15pm On Nov 28, 2011
HMM,

So Ojukwu have no BEAF with Awolowo as some Ibo people will want us to believe.

He simple took a different path to save his people.

Awolowo, evidently, had a constant review of the Yoruba situation and took different path. That’s it. I don’t blame him for it. I have never done.

So why are some Ibo people whining .
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by oduasolja: 9:46pm On Mar 09, 2012
stupid igbos.

how can ojukwu release awolowo .


the prison was a federal institution . no way a regional governor had any powers over it. even though it was located in the east.

its like saying that unilag is under the command of fashola because its in lagos. hell no.

why didnt he release awolowo before gowon took over , if he soo loved awolowo and considered him a hero. after all he was Governor since janurary . and he should have lobbied for him to be released by ironsi , but that never happened.

awolowo was released on the orders of gowon, plain and simple.

if he had not been released on gowons orders, then he would have been promptly rearrested and locked up , the minute he stepped back in lagos as an escaped fugitive.

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by ak47mann(m): 9:49pm On Mar 09, 2012
^^

Eastern region was under ojukwu he has more influence in any administrative in eastern region,mumu so why is mustapha begging fashola to pardon him? i didnt no why he release that wicked beast in the first place cool cool
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Chidi4u(m): 5:33pm On Oct 14, 2012
Maka ginikwan.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by omonnakoda: 11:52am On Dec 28, 2012
What Oju iku did by running away was disgraceful
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by WilyWily5: 11:41pm On Oct 04, 2014
Awolowo
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Keegan: 8:37am On Dec 13, 2015
WilyWily5:
Awolowo
The Great!
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Keegan: 8:39am On Dec 13, 2015
oduasolja:
stupid igbos.

how can ojukwu release awolowo .


the prison was a federal institution . no way a regional governor had any powers over it. even though it was located in the east.

its like saying that unilag is under the command of fashola because its in lagos. hell no.

why didnt he release awolowo before gowon took over , if he soo loved awolowo and considered him a hero. after all he was Governor since janurary . and he should have lobbied for him to be released by ironsi , but that never happened.

awolowo was released on the orders of gowon, plain and simple.

if he had not been released on gowons orders, then he would have been promptly rearrested and locked up , the minute he stepped back in lagos as an escaped fugitive.


You sealed it, bravo!
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Deadlytruth(m): 8:23am On Apr 11, 2016
Unfortunately that Journalist who conducted this interview deliberately forgot to ask Ojukwu why he believed his secession bid and thus declaration of Biafra Republic was morally justified after he (Ojukwu) himself had crushed Isaac Adaka Boro's Niger Delta Republic secession bid, forced him back into Zik's 'one Nigeria', charged him with treason for trying to break away from Zik's 'one-Nigeria', and had him sentenced to death all within 15 months prior to when he himself later declared Biafra.
Ojukwu, to me, was a hypocrite who was looking for sleep after he himself had murdered sleep. He denied others freedom but later wanted the freedom himself. Thankfully he law of Karma thwarted his actualization of Biafra. Those who deny others freedom don't deserve it themselves............Abraham Lincoln.

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by omonnakoda: 7:58pm On Apr 11, 2016
We are talking of a period of 3 days to take and implement the decision.

Awo was released on 3 August 1966 while the counter coup took place on 29 July 1966.
It is not credible to believe this was Ojuu's decision

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Deadlytruth(m): 3:51am On Apr 12, 2016
They (Ojukwu and Ironsi) were in power for a good six months but could not release Awo only for Ojukwu to start claiming he released Awolowo after the powers to do so had actually left him. Very funny.

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Nobody: 4:22am On Apr 12, 2016
Awo was jailed by federal government and not eastern government, so I think Awo was federal government prisoner in a federal government facility that happened to be in Calabar. If in truth Ojukwu released Awo, I think that was a real step up from his brorhers that jailed him and the one that refused to revisit his case after six months of serious appeal...

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Deadlytruth(m): 7:18am On Apr 12, 2016
Let's even assume Ojukwu is correct in his claim to have released Awo. Now that would mean that for six months while Ironsi was busy releasing the Northerners and treating the Igbo coup plotters with kid gloves Ojukwu did not think it was necessary for himself to impress it upon Ironsi to release him obviously because he was in support of his brother Zik who colluded with the North to jail him. But as soon as the table turned against him he released Awo because he calculated that Awo would be useful to him in prosecuting the war he was planning to declare. Was that release therefore not motivated by a selfish agenda therefore? Ojukwu did not care about Awo's freedom but as soon as war came calling he realized Awo would be a useful tool on his side and released him as he claims. Who would be in Awo's shoes and support Ojukwu after selfishly releasing him?
Moreover the order that released Awolowo also released Enahoro, Isaac Boro and many others who were not in Eastern Region prisons. So was it still Ojukwu that released all those other ones in other regions over which he had no control?

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by zendy: 8:42am On Apr 12, 2016
Deadlytruth:
Unfortunately that Journalist who conducted this interview deliberately forgot to ask Ojukwu why he believed his secession bid and thus declaration of Biafra Republic was morally justified after he (Ojukwu) himself had crushed Isaac Adaka Boro's Niger Delta Republic secession bid, forced him back into Zik's 'one Nigeria', charged him with treason for trying to break away from Zik's 'one-Nigeria', and had him sentenced to death all within 15 months prior to when he himself later declared Biafra.
Ojukwu, to me, was a hypocrite who was looking for sleep after he himself had murdered sleep. He denied others freedom but later wanted the freedom himself. Thankfully he law of Karma thwarted his actualization of Biafra. Those who deny others freedom don't deserve it themselves............Abraham Lincoln.

That is highly unfair to Ojukwu. How can you say that Ojukwu should have allowed Boro's so called declaration to stand? Are you forgetting that Ojukwu was a Soldier who was subject to the orders of his superiors and also was a man who once believed in one Nigeria? Who was Ojukwu to to go against the directives of Ironsi? However, with Gowon, it was a different ball game. Ojukwu was senior to Gowon (even though they were both Lt. Colonels) and Ojukwu didn't have to listen to Gowon. As the interview says, Ojukwu declared Biafra out of the necessity to protect his people. Ojukwu also sought the mandate of the people through the Eastern Nigeria consultative Forum before he did so. What Boro did on the other hand was just pure recklessness. Ojukwu was a great man, he literally dismantled Nigeria with the following


The Federation of Nigeria is today as corrupt, as unprogressive and as oppressive and irreformable as the Ottoman Empire was in Eastern Europe over a century ago. And in contrast, the Nigerian Federation in the form it was constituted by the British cannot by any stretch of imagination be considered an African necessity. Yet we are being forced to sacrifice our very existence as a people to the integrity of that ramshackle creation that has no justification

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Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by Deadlytruth(m): 10:02am On Apr 12, 2016
zendy:


That is highly unfair to Ojukwu. How can you say that Ojukwu should have allowed Boro's so called declaration to stand? Are you forgetting that Ojukwu was a Soldier who was subject to the orders of his superiors and also was a man who once believed in one Nigeria? Who was Ojukwu to to go against the directives of Ironsi? However, with Gowon, it was a different ball game. Ojukwu was senior to Gowon (even though they were both Lt. Colonels) and Ojukwu didn't have to listen to Gowon. As the interview says, Ojukwu declared Biafra out of the necessity to protect his people. Ojukwu also sought the mandate of the people through the Eastern Nigeria consultative Forum before he did so. What Boro did on the other hand was just pure recklessness. Ojukwu was a great man, he literally dismantled Nigeria with the following


The Federation of Nigeria is today as corrupt, as unprogressive and as oppressive and irreformable as the Ottoman Empire was in Eastern Europe over a century ago. And in contrast, the Nigerian Federation in the form it was constituted by the British cannot by any stretch of imagination be considered an African necessity. Yet we are being forced to sacrifice our very existence as a people to the integrity of that ramshackle creation that has no justification

The federation of Nigeria, in 1960 as at when Ojukwu believed in one Nigeria, was already as corrupt, as oppressive and as
irredemable as the Othoman empire. Corruption, oppression, etc started in Nigeria as far back as 1914 yet Ojukwu believed in and defended one Nigeria.
If Ojukwu's thwarting of Niger Delta Republic was justified on the grounds that he was subject to the order of Ironsi, then Awolowo's refusal to allow Biafra stand was also justified based on your logic as Awo too was subject to the orders of Gowon under whom he was serving. Is what is good for the goose no longer also good for the gander?
As at the time Ojukwu initially believed in one Nigeria it was already crystal clear that Nigeria was not really one and could never really become be one. Ojukwu was alive when Northerners massacred thousands of Igbos in 1945 and 1953 in Jos and Kano riots respectively, and even in 1966 right under Ironsi's nose and despite the innocent Igbo lives lost in those riots he continued believing in one Nigeria up till 1967. So was it not therefore hypocritical for the same Ojukwu to start disbelieving in one Nigeria only when his brother was killed and overthrown? That means loss of lives of his own brothers was not as important to him as Ironsi's remaining in power.
We are talking of morality here which supersedes any military seniority theory. If Ojukwu truly valued innocent civilian lives over position why then did he not resign from the army in protest to Ironsi's inaction in the face of the 1966 Igbo-targeted pogroms that happened right under Ironsi's regime? After all once he resigned he would not be bound by any military laws again and then he could rally against Ironsi as a civilian the same way he himself later expected Awolowo to have, as a civilian, rallied against Gowon.
Your claim that Isaac Boro was just reckless is the biggest comedy. When has it become an act of recklessness to strive to free one's people from oppression and domination? Boro rightly felt the Ijaws were being trampled upon in the Eastern Region by the Igbos and once the opportunity seemed to appear he declared Niger Delta Republic. The way he sought freedom from Nigeria and Eastern Region oppression was the same Way Ojukwu sought freedom from Nigeria. And mind you that Isaac Boro never at anytime believed in one Nigeria hence was not hypocritical like Ojukwu. Also Ojukwu did not consult all the traditional council of chiefs and rulers of the tribes that made up the Eastern Region but consulted only the Eastern Regional Assembly which Boro and many other Eastern minorities already viewed as not truly proportionally representative of the ethnic groups in the entire Eastern region.
Re: Interview With Ojukwu,comments On The Coup And Awolowo by zendy: 11:56am On Apr 12, 2016
Deadlytruth:


The federation of Nigeria, in 1960 as at when Ojukwu believed in one Nigeria, was already as corrupt, as oppressive and as
irredemable as the Othoman empire. Corruption, oppression, etc started in Nigeria as far back as 1914 yet Ojukwu believed in and defended one Nigeria.
If Ojukwu's thwarting of Niger Delta Republic was justified on the grounds that he was subject to the order of Ironsi, then Awolowo's refusal to allow Biafra stand was also justified based on your logic as Awo too was subject to the orders of Gowon under whom he was serving. Is what is good for the goose no longer also good for the gander?
As at the time Ojukwu initially believed in one Nigeria it was already crystal clear that Nigeria was not really one and could never really become be one. Ojukwu was alive when Northerners massacred thousands of Igbos in 1945 and 1953 in Jos and Kano riots respectively, and even in 1966 right under Ironsi's nose and despite the innocent Igbo lives lost in those riots he continued believing in one Nigeria up till 1967. So was it not therefore hypocritical for the same Ojukwu to start disbelieving in one Nigeria only when his brother was killed and overthrown? That means loss of lives of his own brothers was not as important to him as Ironsi's remaining in power.
We are talking of morality here which supersedes any military seniority theory. If Ojukwu truly valued innocent civilian lives over position why then did he not resign from the army in protest to Ironsi's inaction in the face of the 1966 Igbo-targeted pogroms that happened right under Ironsi's regime? After all once he resigned he would not be bound by any military laws again and then he could rally against Ironsi as a civilian the same way he himself later expected Awolowo to have, as a civilian, rallied against Gowon.
Your claim that Isaac Boro was just reckless is the biggest comedy. When has it become an act of recklessness to strive to free one's people from oppression and domination? Boro rightly felt the Ijaws were being trampled upon in the Eastern Region by the Igbos and once the opportunity seemed to appear he declared Niger Delta Republic. The way he sought freedom from Nigeria and Eastern Region oppression was the same Way Ojukwu sought freedom from Nigeria. And mind you that Isaac Boro never at anytime believed in one Nigeria hence was not hypocritical like Ojukwu. Also Ojukwu did not consult all the traditional council of chiefs and rulers of the tribes that made up the Eastern Region but consulted only the Eastern Regional Assembly which Boro and many other Eastern minorities already viewed as not truly proportionally representative of the ethnic groups in the entire Eastern region.

This long epistle just for you to make no point. You are saying that Ojukwu was alive when the Igbos were massacred in 1945 and 1953? What did you expect Ojukwu who was then a teenager to do in a time that Nigeria was still a British colony? Even Zik, Dr Okpara and Dr Akanu Ibiam who were great Igbo nationalist were still championing one Nigeria (for reasons best known to them) and you are talking about Ojukwu who at the time had no political clout? Laughable. I said that Ojukwu as a Soldier was subject to Ironsi who was his superior but but not subject to Gowon. Awolowo on the other hand was not a Soldier and was subject to nobody. Awolowo willingly accepted to serve under Gowon when he could have declined the offer and rallied the Yoruba nation to seek their right to self determination in the face of the massacre happening. Yet Awolowo chose to serve them. To this very day, the Yoruba man will always run to Northerner for political expedience. How Awolowo could have witnessed genocide on such a scale after Nigeria had achieved self rule but still went for 'one Nigeria' under the same people commiting the same atrocities. You said that Ojukwu should have resigned because of the massacre that happened under Ironsi? Go and read Philip Effiongs book "Biafra:My story" and you will know that Ojukwu vehemently protested the killing of easterners to Ironsi's face during the Executive meetings. One more thing, Military officers are not allowed to resign. The Military has its own rules that different from civilians. A Military officer can apply to be discharged for reasons such as health, incapacity or incompetence but they are not allowed to resign. If Ojukwu had resigned, he would have been arrested , detained and court martialed and jailed. That would not have helped him or anyone so that idea of yours is nonsense. The same Ojukwu you are talking about went to Ghana to sign an agreement with Gowon to keep Nigeria one and maintain the peace despite thousands his people being massacred. Does that look like man who only cares about power and not his people? Why did you not blame Gowon for breaking the agreement? As for Boro, what Boro did was stupid. Anyone can go to a market square, read some form of independence statement and take some men with guns into the Bush to start causing problems. That is not secession. Secession is declaring independence from Nigeria, not declaring independence from Igbos. I'm not even sure Boro knew who he was declaring free? His fellow Ijaws or who? In Ojukwus case, he declared Biafra after his belief in Nigeria had been shattered, amist wholesale slaughter of his people, the breaking of the binding Aburi agreement and after due consultation.

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