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Logicbwoy:
You keep proving my point. Rather than admit your ignorance or mistake, you keep powering through with more nonsense.


1) The fact remains that Sharia law is a violation of the constitution. That is a fact. Let's be clear that you were clearly wrong on that.

2) The other fact you seem not to realise is that having sharia courts is not a violation of a secular constitution or country. Britain has sharia courts but the sharia courts are only binding if-
a) Both parties agree to accept the ruling of the sharia courts beforehand i.e before the case
b) The sharia court does not go against the British law (In which a muslim can have the sharia courts decision voided). That is to say that the tradtional courts and british law supersedes the the sharia courts

3) Another fact that you are ignorant about is that the provisions for the sharia courts were an amendment- they were put in 1999 and not the earlier versions of the constitution.



Please, learn to either keep quiet or accept your mistake when someone corrects you.

Lol. This boy is high. Lol. Hope it's not marijuana?

1. What point exactly was I trying to make? Lol. One part of the constitution claims to be secular why the other part is talking about Islam. Should a secular constitution even permit the existence of sharks courts and a section of it's citizenry to be penalized by it? The contradiction is my point.

2. Lol. British? In Britain it is simply something like the Catholic Canon law. Simply like laws organizations set to run their business and must not contradict the constitution. But in this case a section in the constitution recognizes it as a court of law. The Nigerian Sharia law clashes with the constitution. The case of Yunusa and ESE is still fresh in our minds.

3. Answer please, is the sharia law in the current constitution whether amended or not? A yes or no will do.

Logicbwoy:
Seriously?

Your folly is well documented on the non-christian chatbox. Over 20 pages of it.

You joined her to mock me, then over 15 pages later you tried to caution us- When you were even part of the derailment.



You are such a clown. Keep on amusing me.

Lol. I simply asked for a quote s
of mine supporting her. Is that too much to ask for?

Logicbwoy:


My points have been made. Both you and Reyginus like to talk about what you dont know.

That's a lazy way to put it. You can debunk anything you find ignorant.

Tufanja:
One thing you didnt name but which might be a valid argument of the effect of colonization on the blaming mindset is that long term enslavement can take away the own sense of initiative of people, the feeling that they are responsible for their own actions and their own lives, that they should not wait for a corrupt government to get into motion, that they dont stare at leaders or pastors but stand up with grassroot projects of change themselves...When something is not happening, you should make it happen yourself.

Failure. We weren't taught how to fail. Failure is not our portion. It must be enemies, haters, and other such nonsense. Either tread the well-worn path(used to be engineering, law and medicine, now it's music,football and dance) or don't try at all.
It's complex. Ours is a system that swallows those who try to operate on sound principles, we mock them for daring to be different... 'who u be', 'u think say u be jackie chan'.. we want quick fixes.. who e help? We feel no attachment to our environment, no obligation to do things right..
There are so many excuses to find if one's too scared of trying.. how can you succeed without failing. We have no role models, religion sells us the illusion that all will be well if we praise and worship harder. So we praise God out of suffering and fear, rather than love and hope. And we keep running around circles, hoping for angels to save us when we are the demons destroying ourselves.

BUT there is hope. There always is.

sonOfLucifer:
Failure. We weren't taught how to fail. Failure is not our portion. It must be enemies, haters, and other such nonsense. Either tread the well-worn path(used to be engineering, law and medicine, now it's music,football and dance) or don't try at all.
It's complex. Ours is a system that swallows those who try to operate on sound principles, we mock them for daring to be different... 'who u be', 'u think say u be jackie chan'.. we want quick fixes.. who e help? We feel no attachment to our environment, no obligation to do things right..
There are so many excuses to find if one's too scared of trying.. how can you succeed without failing. We have no role models, religion sells us the illusion that all will be well if we praise and worship harder. So we praise God out of suffering and fear, rather than love and hope. And we keep running around circles, hoping for angels to save us when we are the demons destroying ourselves.

BUT there is hope. There always is.

That's my angel of another mother (or father ) talking ;-).

Tufanja:
I think that colonization should not always be used as a false excuse for everything. Don't read me wrong, I am in no way defending colonization. But I see it too often used as a false excuse, also typically part of the blaming culture overthere.

My dear colonization is never used as a false excuse. It's the major cause why Nigeria is where it is today. Look @ the amalgamation of Nigeria. Is that really for a good cause!?

- You should study the mindset and the way people/tribes treated each other before colonization. It was not that rosy at all!!! So you wanna claim people where back then reasoning as rational beings, as free minds? Joker.

My people where living in peace with their laws before the colonists appear & with their brainswashing, all hell broke loose. I believe also that the northern part were at peace until the blood and gold thirsty Arabs started spreading their bloody religion to them. Then the laws of the land were followed strictly. No one exploits another with a textbook. They were hardworking people back then, but now, one man will take it upon himself to exploit the gullible ones. Collecting their money through dubious means and giving them condemned oil & adulterated water to use and kill their enemies by fire & you tell me such things exist back then..

- You should look at the good and the bad something has brought. Not only highlight one side!

No good at all. Whatever you may have perceived as good where brought to suite their life style and that of their children and also for milking us dry of our resources You don't need to be colonized in other to humanize and modernize.

- You cant claim that somebody enslaved someone's mindset or that of a whole nation. Mindsets get only enslaved when you allow it to happen yourself or when you are too weak yourself

Well it happened as our parents are still zombie-like in nature--following the instructions of those wise men while claming independent. So maybe they were weak like you said or they allowed it, I don't know. What is certain is that the colonists used a nice tactics to rub them in their face--they sent out their cloaked subordinates(the missionaries) first to do the brainwashing...

- Where exactly do you think the charm-bull*shit comes from, from the colonizators? Joker. It just shows you the artefacts of the time before colonization..so rosy...not.

Define charm. When your pastor, priest, whatever gives you a candle, condemned oil, etc. to use and pray with over an illness or against your enemy...what is it??

- ....No, we have adopted christianity to build up a civilization, which has produced great things, as much as bad things as well........

What a farce
I will end with this:
Even though the type of religion practiced then was far better than what the colonists & blood thirsty Arabs left for us{--when you go back in history, you will understand what am talking about}, all forms of religion is not healthy for the growth of a nation.

dblackninja:
My dear colonization is never used as a false excuse. It's the major cause why Nigeria is where it is today. Look @ the amalgamation of Nigeria. Is that really for a good cause!?


My people where living in peace with their laws before the colonists appear & with their brainswashing, all hell broke loose. I believe also that the northern part were at peace until the blood and gold thirsty Arabs started spreading their bloody religion to them. Then the laws of the land were followed strictly. No one exploits another with a textbook. They were hardworking people back then, but now, one man will take it upon himself to exploit the gullible ones. Collecting their money through dubious means and giving them condemned oil & adulterated water to use and kill their enemies by fire & you tell me such things exist back then..


No good at all. Whatever you may have perceived as good where brought to suite their life style and that of their children and also for milking us dry of our resources You don't need to be colonized in other to humanize and modernize.

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Tufanja, since you don't listen to me, I hope you listen to dblackninja- colonization is a major reason why Nigeria is bad. It is not a false excuse.



You have been corrected on your ignorance, dont follow Reyginus by arguing nonsense when you are wrong.

Logicbwoy:
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Tufanja, since you don't listen to me, I hope you listen to dblackninja- colonization is a major reason why Nigeria is bad. It is not a false excuse.



You have been corrected on your ignorance, dont follow Reyginus by arguing nonsense when you are wrong.

Lol. This boy again. But I recognized it as a problem so why am I still in your murky waters?

Reyginus:
Lol. This boy again. But I recognized it as a problem so why am I still in your murky waters?

No. you misunderstand.

With regards to my mentioning of you, I was not talking about colonization per se. The point I was trying to make is that you don't listen when being corrected.

Logicbwoy:
No. you misunderstand.

With regards to my mentioning of you, I was not talking about colonization per se. The point I was trying to make is that you don't listen when being corrected.

I'm stubborn that's true. I need to be convinced without reasonable doubt before I accept anything to be true. For the time being I stay on the fence.

sonOfLucifer:
It's complex. Ours is a system that swallows those who try to operate on sound principles, we mock them for daring to be different... 'who u be', 'u think say u be jackie chan'.. we want quick fixes.. who e help? We feel no attachment to our environment, no obligation to do things right

BUT there is hope. There always is.

I can really relate to your comment! I remember a particular man from mars who scoffed at all of my efforts to create a humanist/atheist group. This particular man scoffed at my atheist hangout and my efforts to get a better non-christian chatbox, while he never did anything himself despite being an atheist.


Isn't life just interesting? A nairalander once told me that we all see ourselves as the good guy in the story......

Reyginus:
I need to be convinced without reasonable doubt before I accept anything to be true. For the time being I stay on the fence.

Yet, you believe that an invisible man in the sky is controlling the universe.




dumbo

Logicbwoy:
I can really relate to your comment! I remember a particular man from mars who scoffed at all of my efforts to create a humanist/atheist group. This particular man scoffed at my atheist hangout and my efforts to get a better non-christian chatbox, while he never did anything himself despite being an atheist.

Everything has to be about you. Life must be lonely when you suffer from a 'Messiah' Complex. Keep making enemies of friends...

And this will be my only comment to you. Go find another Ishilove, JeSoul, JTF, Reyginus to make your own. To agree with you. To love you for what you hope to become.

sonOfLucifer:
Everything has to be about you. Life must be lonely when you suffer from a 'Messiah' Complex. Keep making enemies of friends...

E pain am!!!!


Some people call me troll Jesus. I reason that I must be a Messiah in some ways

Logicbwoy:
Yet, you believe that an invisible man in the sky is controlling the universe.


dumbo

Lol. You don't want to know how far I've got about this angle.

sonOfLucifer:
Everything has to be about you. Life must be lonely when you suffer from a 'Messiah' Complex. Keep making enemies of friends...

And this will be my only comment to you. Go find another Ishilove, JeSoul, JTF, Reyginus to make your own. To agree with you. To love you for what you hope to become.

He needs our love.

Reyginus:
Lol. You don't want to know how far I've got about this angle.

Someone said you are my friend?

Are you my friend?

Reyginus:
He needs our love.

Lol. He's always had it.

Logicbwoy:
Someone said you are my friend?
Are you my friend?

Lol. As long as you are not a Judas.

Reyginus:
Lol. As long as you are not a Judas.

Reyginus:
Lol. As long as you are not a Judas.

Epic! Good answer!

I was friends with a muskeeto once. He became a Judas

Reyginus:
He needs our love.

sonOfLucifer:
Lol. He's always had it.

May the ancestors that be, never allow me to receive the love of a Judas!


AMEN!!

Hello to all.

There is no need to indulge in personal attacks and remarks, especially since we are in an anonymous forum. Whatever someone is or pretends to be, is of no value here, let's try to stick to the issues.

On the issue at stake here - Colonization - I think Logicbwoy is right. I do not always agree with his methods and remarks, but on this issue, simple objectivity can't deny he is right.

First of all, some of you speak as if colonization is something of the Past. Whereas we all know, it is still very living, although in some parts of Africa like in the francophone part of Africa, the impact is heavier. Those in the know, should just follow the geopolitics of countries like Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Niger, etc. or discuss with citizens of those countries. On request, I may deepen this, with concrete facts and examples, but is it really necessary for any objective mind?

Furthermore, to claim that Christianity built Europe, is to look at history with apologetic intends. Europe experienced (economic and societal) growth and freedom due to rationalism and the age of enlightenment. Religion in itself is neutral. It is men that use it to contribute or prevent development. And in History, all religions have been used for both purposes, and it should be noted than religions have usually prevented (economic/societal) development rather than promote it. Before the age of Enlightenment and rationalism in europe, it was superstition, monarchy, despotism, and of course poverty for the masses, and this is well documented.

The present problem of the Europe is not the fall of Christianity. The present problem of Europe is the negative long term repercussions of his actions of the past. The western world has failed to live to the level of their noble ideology in their interaction with other people. They preached equality but actively promoted superiority. They spoke about freedom of all, but enslaved others. In doing so, they created a context in which, the european paradigm would benefit them and them only. In such a context, all the people from impoverished nations around -many of those nation being poor thanks to imperialism - developped some form of hatred and anger, which although unethical, is understandable.

Yes, there are internal reasons that explain why Africa is Backward. Among these is a culture of accommodating to life circumstances rather than fighting against life and the gods (like the greeks) and striving to find internal happiness in the midst of the storm. This however, is not sufficient argument to claim that the impact of colonization and neo colonization should be minimized.

Again, there are other cultures and people who have been enslaved. Some managed to get out of it quicker than africans, and some other did not manage, and did not even survived. Nothwithstanding, this is no sound basis for Comparison. Because the way people and cultures have been put under the yoke and the aim of their "masters" differ. In the case of Africa, the spiritual and cultural foundation of the continent has been destroyed fundamentally and this is not easy to recover from.

Colonization is no reason to remain helpless and powerless. Africa shall rise again. However, every good cure should start by an objective diagnosis, rather than just blaming.

Greetings to all.

Logicbwoy:
Epic! Good answer!

I was friends with a muskeeto once. He became a Judas

Are you sure? Or you can't stand a human being like you having a different opinion?

LoJ:
Hello to all.

There is no need to indulge in personal attacks and remarks, especially since we are in an anonymous forum. Whatever someone is or pretends to be, is of no value here, let's try to stick to the issues.

On the issue at stake here - Colonization - I think Logicbwoy is right. I do not always agree with his methods and remarks, but on this issue, simple objectivity can't deny he is right.

First of all, some of you speak as if colonization is something of the Past. Whereas we all know, it is still very living, although in some parts of Africa like in the francophone part of Africa, the impact is heavier. Those in the know, should just follow the geopolitics of countries like Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Niger, etc. or discuss with citizens of those countries. On request, I may deepen this, with concrete facts and examples, but is it really necessary for any objective mind?

Furthermore, to claim that Christianity built Europe, is to look at history with apologetic intends. Europe experienced (economic and societal) growth and freedom due to rationalism and the age of enlightenment. Religion in itself is neutral. It is men that use it to contribute or prevent development. And in History, all religions have been used for both purposes, and it should be noted than religions have usually prevented (economic/societal) development rather than promote it. Before the age of Enlightenment and rationalism in europe, it was superstition, monarchy, despotism, and of course poverty for the masses, and this is well documented.

The present problem of the Europe is not the fall of Christianity. The present problem of Europe is the negative long term repercussions of his actions of the past. The western world has failed to live to the level of their noble ideology in their interaction with other people. They preached equality but actively promoted superiority. They spoke about freedom of all, but enslaved others. In doing so, they created a context in which, the european paradigm would benefit them and them only. In such a context, all the people from impoverished nations around -many of those nation being poor thanks to imperialism - developped some form of hatred and anger, which although unethical, is understandable.

Yes, there are internal reasons that explain why Africa is Backward. Among these is a culture of accommodating to life circumstances rather than fighting against life and the gods (like the greeks) and striving to find internal happiness in the midst of the storm. This however, is not sufficient argument to claim that the impact of colonization and neo colonization should be minimized.

Again, there are other cultures and people who have been enslaved. Some managed to get out of it quicker than africans, and some other did not manage, and did not even survived. Nothwithstanding, this is no sound basis for Comparison. Because the way people and cultures have been put under the yoke and the aim of their "masters" differ. In the case of Africa, the spiritual and cultural foundation of the continent has been destroyed fundamentally and this is not easy to recover from.

Colonization is no reason to remain helpless and powerless. Africa shall rise again. However, every good cure should start by an objective diagnosis, rather than just blaming.

Greetings to all.

*applause*


You have said it all. I completely agree with you assessment of the colonization issue. Many people also do not see that it was a secular enlightenment that gave Europe its civilization


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However, I think you misunderstand me. I can be civil but unfortunately, I am a product of my environment. You see, I am reacting to the situation I have been put into. There are people on this very thread that conspired against me. Even your friendly Tufanja insulted my mother once- as a result of rolling with ishilove. See how bad friends can influence people?

So please, do not be suprised if I respond negatively to certain people- it is for a purpose.

Reyginus:
Are you sure? Or you can't stand a human being like you having a different opinion?

When did derailing and cyvber-bullying become a "differing opinion"?

Logicbwoy:
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Tufanja, since you don't listen to me, I hope you listen to dblackninja- colonization is a major reason why Nigeria is bad. It is not a false excuse.



You have been corrected on your ignorance, dont follow Reyginus by arguing nonsense when you are wrong.

I am surprised that a contribution full of ignorance, as that of the dblackninja is even liked and shared by you. Its disappointing that you who finds his pride in logic reasoning doesnt see the problem in that contribution. Didnt u notice i even didnt do efford to respond to it? I only do that when the level of reasoning is too depressing...

I dont follow anybody, also not reyginus, so calm down, i m a leader not a follower. Take some icecream to lick :p

Logicbwoy:
When did derailing and cyvber-bullying become a "differing opinion"?

Trolling does not make one a Judas if not you'd be one too. When people troll do that by shifting from your opinion.

Tufanja:
I am surprised that a contribution full of ignorance, as that of the dblackninja is even liked and shared by you. Its disappointing that you who finds his pride in logic reasoning doesnt see the problem in that contribution. Didnt u notice i even didnt do efford to respond to it? I only do that when the level of reasoning is too depressing...

I dont follow anybody, also not reyginus, so calm down, i m a leader not a follower. Take some icecream to lick :p

I can't laugh That's what the defeated always do *Ask kingebuka
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Tufanja:
I am surprised that a contribution full of ignorance, as that of the dblackninja is even liked and shared by you. Its disappointing that you who finds his pride in logic reasoning doesnt see the problem in that contribution. Didnt u notice i even didnt do efford to respond to it? I only do that when the level of reasoning is too depressing...

I dont follow anybody, also not reyginus, so calm down, i m a leader not a follower. Take some icecream to lick :p

So, what about your friend, LOJ that still agrees that colonization is a major problem?

Are you going to listen to him?

LoJ:
Hello to all.
There is no need to indulge in personal attacks and remarks, especially since we are in an anonymous forum. Whatever someone is or pretends to be, is of no value here, let's try to stick to the issues.

On the issue at stake here - Colonization - I think Logicbwoy is right. I do not always agree with his methods and remarks, but on this issue, simple objectivity can't deny he is right.

First of all, some of you speak as if colonization is something of the Past. Whereas we all know, it is still very living, although in some parts of Africa like in the francophone part of Africa, the impact is heavier.

Reyginus:
He needs our love.

The more he despices the love of others, the bigger his deepest cry for it and the more compassion he somehow needs. Although its healthy that a man with some authority stands up at some point and draws a line to his blind shootings. Its the healthy feedback of a father he needed badly. So thank you sonoflucifer, I guess thats done now. Can we have diner as a family now ?

Reyginus:
Trolling does not make one a Judas if not you'd be one too. When people troll do that by shifting from your opinion.

Did I mention "trolling"?

Logicbwoy:
When did derailing and cyvber-bullying become a "differing opinion"?

Tufanja:
The more he despices the love of others, the bigger his deepest cry for it and the more compassion he somehow needs. Although its healthy that a man with some authority stands up at some point and draws a line to his blind shootings. Its the healthy feedback of a father he needed badly. So thank you sonoflucifer, I guess thats done now. Can we have diner as a family now ?

May the ancestors that be, prevent me from receiving the love of a Judas or the love of a crocodile.

Amen!!