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TheHarbinger:
I didn't say this.

We are children of God, not sinners. The Holy Spirit doesn't convict or condemn people who have already been saved from condemnation

Are you Joshthefirst? The Holy Spirit will tell us if we are doing wrong. Why should He tell sinners and not tell us? The Holy Spirit does not condemn sinners BTW. He reproves.

Image123:
Why should He tell sinners and not tell us? The Holy Spirit does not condemn sinners BTW. He reproves

What does he tell sinners? Conviction of the holy ghost is about the sin nature and not about the sinners conduct. He makes them see the need for a savior.

The Holy Spirit will tell us if we are doing wrong.

Of course he corrects and rebuke us except we are bastards .

Amberon:
I know pastor Chris the false prophet is your hero. Anything he says to you can't be questioned. It is glaringly OK obvious from your previous posts.

Any preacher who says masturbation is not a sin is worse than an murder because he has sanctioned it and is leading people to hell. You can as well say murder is not a sin too but a bad habit.

I won't comment further. Continue wallowing in delusions of your false prophet.

Jesus has pushed His scrutinies past the act into the heart of man and has erected a tribunal in the intents of the fountain head. Lustful thoughts is the sin that leads to masturbation just as hatred is the sin that leads to murder.

Amberon:
I don't have an iota of hatred in me. I love all equally. Love is the greatest commandment and anyone who doesn't love is not of God. I love Pastor Chris because Christ commanded all Christians to show love.

But notwithstanding, it won't keep me from saying the truth. Masturbation is a sin of perversion and anyone who says it is not a sin is clearly not spiritually inclined. Masturbation is the easiest way through which demons gain access to peoples lives. Looking at a human lustfully alone is sin so what exactly are you trying to prove by saying that masturbation is not a sin?

God bless you. Love and truth are twin brothers and they are not mutually exclusive.

Amberon:
Its surprising how people who call themselves Christians endorse that statement. If the holy spirit doesn't convict you of your sin then it means you don't have the holy spirit in you.

When you have the holy spirit in you, there's a constant awareness in you. Just as you're about lying, the holy spirit consists you and tells you not to tell a lie. If you're about committing fornication, the holy spirit does the same thing again.

The holy spirit tells you exactly your faults and let's you know that you need to confess your sins before God

The Holy Spirit no longer points out there sin because they have muffled Him with their erroneous doctrines. Just like putting a pillow over a ringing phone.

Gombs:
Kindly list out the job of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus told us in John 14:26 AMP




That is counsel... one of His jobs.



what now happens if i fornicates? He convicts me? ...Guess who is my defense counsel? Jesus... How canthese two be fighting on whether I am guilty or not? Jesus made us UNBLAMEABLE, because we have God's righteousness by Him... When I sin, bible says

1 John 2:1King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. [size=18pt]And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[/size]

His bloood speaks mercy, and the Father forgives, if we ask for forgiveness... but it's babes in Christ that sin willingly.. that's why John said "my little children".

How can the Holy Spirit convict God's children of sin after Jesus called us brethren already? How did we now become sinners, after we're born again?

The Holy Spirit CONVICTS THE WORLD of sin... not God's kids.



What you said above is His job too, HE bring us to repentance... not conviction.

I hope you understand these.. they are hard meat sha.... not for babes

The scripture you quoted above says 'if' and not 'when' a man sins. The difference is clear. What John is saying here refers to a specific sin. 1 John 2:1 is not applicable to those living a sinful lifestyle, it is not a license for sinners to claim. The promises of God in these verses should keep the true child of God from a life of habitual sin. If you are still a fornicator you have not yet repented of your sin and therefore cannot claim this promise.

Joagbaje:

2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

When your communication of the word enter into strife you're in the flesh my friend .

I asked you simply to back your claim with scripture .you can't find any . Only insults coould come out of your empty religous stomach as expected . come out of religion and study scriptures myfriend.

Have you not contradicted yourself in the same breathe? You quoted that a servant of the Lord must not strive but be gentle but you went ahead to accuse a person of having a religious stomach, if that is not an insult then I don't know what it is.

esere826:
una well done oooo

I am pretty sure that when many folks here talk about sin, all they are thinking about is sex

In another news, a number of folks who believe in the grace thing
are also quick to redefine it when it comes to things like tithes and their pastors

Where do you stand? What did Paul say when a believer in the Corinthian church was accused of sleeping with his father's wife?

Joagbaje:
There is a difference between sin and sins. Sin is not conduct it's a nature. The sin of the world which will take them to hell is unbelief in Christ. That's the sin. And that's what jesus was talking about .

John 16:8
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

What is the sin of the world ? Unbelief in Christ .

John 16:9
Of sin, because they believe not on me;

You can see that the statement here is not made for Christians but for the world . Who don't believe in Christ. It's the conviction of their sin nature that lead to salvation.

The singular word for sin refers to nature

Sin is falling short of the Law's standard. Transgression is violation of the Law and Iniquity is lawlessness. You cannot continue to live a habitual lifestyle of sin and claim to have genuinely believed in Christ. It is either you are a sinner or a saint there are no middle grounds.

"Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abides in Him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen Him, neither known Him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous even as He is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for His seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because He is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother" (1 John 3:4-10).

Scholar8200:
Now pastor, remember that Jesus said this will be said to people on the last day:

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:22-23
You will agree with me that all those works can only be done by those who believe (not the world that do not believe) just like Mark 16 recorded it!
Meaning we as believers still have to watch and pray and depend on God's grace realising that we are called to:

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord
Hebrews 12:14

What Joagbaje does not realise is that it is easy to slip out of the nature of Christ and back into our old Adamic nature. It is only when we abide in the new nature that God's seed can remain in us and we thus live a holy life but when we live an inconsistent life and begin to sin habitually, we no longer can claim to abide in Christ.

Joagbaje:
A christian can lose his salvation. The bible is clear on that . It's a christian who can commit sins. The world cannot commit sins. The world has only one sin. Which is unbelief in Christ.

Jesus has come to set us free from both the inbred and committed sins. As I have earlier posted, sin is falling short of God's Law and If a Christian claims to be free from inbred sin but continues to commit actual sins is only deceiving him or herself.

promisechuks:
The problem with this people is that they see sin in act only.

What Jesus saved us is from NATURE.

As we continue in the grace of christ, our mind is being transform.

The problem with these people is that when they are not concern about their nature before God, they are TOO concern to their actions.


I have said it before that; ROM 6:1 is talking about NATURE.

The bible is always clear!

In Romans 6:1;"what shall we say then? Shall we continue IN sin, that grace may abound?"

The problem with believers and this chapter is
that they combine sin, as in, nature and act as act.


Sin are in two aspect BY NATURE AND BY ACTION.


Of which every single soul in this life is sinful by
nature, even if a new born baby, but in the case of
a new born baby he will go to heaven(if I should
say) because the baby has not reached an age of
accountability and of course, didn't reject accepting Jesus.

So, when you see or hear "IN" it is talking about
nature and when you see "TO" it is talking about
action.


The word "IN" in that verse means NATURE and not action.

See the difference; "shall we continue IN(nature)
sin" and "shall we continue TO(action) sin".


That's why he went to the next 2 verses to say;"2.
GOD FORBID, how shall we that are dead to sin,
live any longer thereIN(nature of sin). 3. Know ye
not, that so many of us as baptized INto(nature of
christ) Jesus christ were baptized into his death"

See how these folks continue to twist scriptures to suit their heresies. If you have genuinely been redeemed by faith in Jesus' death for your sins (inbred or actions) though you may occasionally slip into a sin, you will not continue to live in this sin. The moment you commit the sin of fornication you do not commit the sin while you are in your new nature (new man), you commit the sin when you have slipped back into your old nature.

Scholar8200:
There is more to Romans 6 than verse 1 bro!!!

19 I am speaking in familiar human terms because of your natural limitations. For as you yielded your bodily members [and [c]faculties] as servants to[b] impurity and ever increasing lawlessness,[/b] so now yield your bodily members [and [d]faculties] once for all as servants to righteousness (right being and doing) [which leads] to sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
21 But then what benefit (return) did you get from the things of which you are now ashamed? [None] for the end of those things is death.
22 But now since you have been set free from sin and have become the slaves of God, you have your present reward in holiness and its end is eternal life.
23 For the wages which sin pays is death, but the [bountiful] free gift of God is eternal life through (in union with) Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:19-23

Meaning we cannot continue in those shameful acts that leads to death (not only fornication) after we believe on Christ!

Way to go bro!

danfidel01:
I'm sorry but there is nothing to advice.
When one is saved, he can't say he is free from the nature and still comit the act.... c'mon, who' deceiving who??
the Bible says "If the son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed "
Therefore we can't say we have to "try" to live rightly before men. If we have the saving grace, then we know that it is enough to help us overcome sin and sinful lifestyle.....

May God richly bless you my brother.

promisechuks:
Why do you still find it difficult to understand?
Always sticking to what you think is right. I have said A LOT concerning this!

Change of nature(spiritual by faith in God) is not change of action(physical).

Your nature is changed because you believe in christ but your actions are not changed because you believe but through the transformation of the mind.


That a person who is addicted to porn has accepted the finish work of christ today, does not make the person to COMPLETELY do away and lose desire in porn that same day(NO!) because there will be a lot of temptation that sometimes the person goes back to it again and comes out again(if you will be sincere with yourself), though the person has been changed from the nature of sin and death to the nature of new life in christ(born-again; which comes only by faith). Now, it will only take the transformation and renewal of one's mind, to start believing rightly which will lead to breaking the addiction force of porn.

When a person is not believing rightly, even after being saved the person cannot live rightly.

What brings up right living is right believing which leads to transformation of the mind.

Please try to understand this, I have tried my best on this but you are still getting it in a very wrong way because the Gospel is always clear when you see the REVELATION behind the letters.

It doesn't matter how many 'right easy believing' you do if you do not genuinely repent you will still be living a life of sin.

Ken4Christ:
My simple contribution to this thread are,
1. The Holy Spirit does not convict the believer. He convicts the sinners.

What did the Holy Spirit do to Ananias and Sapphiras who lied to Him?

Ken4Christ:
2, When we fall into errors, it is our hearts that condemns us so we can repent of the error.

Correction. Sins should not be mistaken for errors or mistakes, they are sins which should be truly repented of with godly sorrow which can only come by the Holy Spirit's conviction.

Ken4Christ:
3. We are saved by grace but grace reigns through righteousness - doing the right things.

True.

Ken4Christ:
4.We get saved once but you can lose that salvation if you chose to walk in the flesh without repentance.

Agreed.

Ken4Christ:
5. Maturation is a sin. It falls into the class of yielding to the lust of the flesh. And the Bible says that if you live after the flesh, you will die. Masturbation is usually is accompanied with thoughts of fornication and adultery which is another sin.

The act of masturbation usually begins with the sin of lust. Adultery is committed the moment we start to lust not during the act.

Ken4Christ:
6. It is good to be conscious of your righteousness in Christ. But you also have to put your flesh under subjection. Paul said he puts his flesh under subjection so he not be disqualified.

Bravo!

Ken4Christ:
7. We are saved by grace and given the ability to live right. But there is another force trying to control you against the will of God. That is your flesh. Which one you choose to follow will determine your destiny - heaven or hell.

Way to go!

orisa37:
No he is not. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of Righteousness you possess once you are Born Again. So what you have can't convict you. What you don't have once you are Born Again is the opposing spirit of Selfishness. It's the Selfishness in you that will always challenge and convict you till you meet your Advocate in Heaven. May God bless us with Understanding.

That is if you are continuing to live a life of holiness and righteousness but the moment you begin to live in the flesh and you live habitually in sin the Holy Spirit will convict or chastise you to bring you to repentance.

Joagbaje:
Firstly the Bible verse he quoted was clear that Jesus was talking to the world for not believing on him ,, so the conviction is about salvation for the sinner. Secondly the sin is umbelieve in. Christ. That verse speaks for itself . And lastly it's talking about sin. Not sins. Which refers. To sin nature.

Anyone who sins habitually is sinner living in the old nature and needs to repent. When a Christian slips into the flesh and sins are you saying that the Holy Spirit would let go?

Joagbaje:
So the Christian. Don't have the sin. Nature . But he may fall into a sin or sins.

But the Christian can slip into the sin nature (old man) by living in the flesh and thereby fall into a specific sin.

Joagbaje:
God has given us his word to. Correct us as we study it we grow out of errors.

1Pe 2:1 — 1Pe 2:3
2​ Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Her also. Corrects us through words. Of. Exhortation
..
Hebrews 3:13
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

That is for the obedient Christian who allows God's word to abide in them.

Joagbaje:
But I get your point . If God can't correct us. We are bastards . But Joseph prince is dealing with condemnation which comes from our conscience which we may attribute to God . He is not condemning us .and he has. Given. Us his word to guide out lives to live a pleasing life to him. Because we have a new nature sometimes when. We do wrong. We sense it.

It is self and satan that condemn. God convicts the sinner to repentance. For God to chastise us He has to point out the specific sins we have committed so it is wrong to say that the Holy Spirit does not point out sins.

Joagbaje:
The issue with our sin is not with God . He has dealt with. It. When s Christian sin he has issue with the devil who may afflict him and. He has issue with his conscience which may condemn him

If the issue of our sin is not with God how then will you explain Jesus' warning to believers below?

"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent" (Revelation 2:5).

Scholar8200:
Since peace is one of the expression of the fruit of the Spirit, and we are enjoined to let this peace (of the Spirit) rule in our hearts such that a loss of that peace (when we sin/grieve the Spirit) makes our hearts trouble/condemn us in which case our prayers are hindered, since that peace and its absence is by the Spirit's moderation, then indeed He convicts us when we go wrong/sin to help us retrace our steps if we will:


Let the peace of Christ [the inner calm of one who walks daily with Him] be the controlling factor in your hearts [deciding and settling questions that arise]. To this peace indeed you were called as members in one body [of believers]
Colossians 3:15

But the fruit of the Spirit [the result of His presence within us] is love [unselfish concern for others], joy, [inner] peace,
Galatians 5:22a

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

1John 3:20,21

Now any believer who sins and still claims to retain this peace is a blind reprobate.

Good point. The rule of peace.

Gombs:
like God convicting sinners?

What did God do to liars like Ananias and Sapphiras?

Yes.

Image123:
i believe my brother Ola was trying to say just that.

It's true that the Holy Spirit counsels us but we must not forget that He also chastises true children of God.

oyeludef:
i used to be a fan of joseph prince cos i loved his preachings on tbn and there he doesnt speak controversially and weneva he spoke something i dont understand, i will dismiss it dat propably i did not understand him.
Last year my fiancee bought me dis his book destined to reign cos she knows how i download his sermons on youtube. D man is very subtle oo. I didnt understand it at first but wen i read d book halfway, it became clear he was teaching eternal security. 2peters 2 give a detailed description of false teachers and should sound a warning to all those who follow them.

They have been warned lets hope they will take heed.

analice107:
My dear, I really tried connecting spiritually with that guy, I couldn't. Once I picked his book "Right Believing", I couldn't go pass Chapter One. I kept picking and dropping that book. The little I read, I found it really Watered Down. I never really raise any brows till guys started talking about him here. It's well. But some Brethren are quite taken by him.

That is why those who have rejected the truth would easily be taken in by them.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess.2:11-12).

oyeludef:
sister, its very easy to be taken by him because of his gift of teaching. He is truly gifted. It is so easy to fall into d hands of false teachers because dey are people who have tasted d good word of God. D whole of 2peter 2 talks about false teachers

Lets hope that they will read the scriptures with their eyes anointed with salve.

vooks:
Joseph Prince is just a polished Calvinist who on coats Calvinism with motivational pep talk.

Calvinism doctrine has some absurd conclusions which most Calvinists seldom follow through. Here are a few;
1. Jesus died for some and not all humans. The unfortunate ones he never died for will end up in hell and there's nothing you can do about them. They can't even repent,many if they did, God would never accept their repentance

2. A born again man can commit ANY sin including the worst of them; apostasy and still end up in heaven

3. God saves whoever He wishes to save regardless of their will/choice

Is that so?

OgaMadam:
I don't believe it.

It was probably take out of context.

Show us that whole sermon then we will judge

But the OP said the bottomline, which means the whole point or summary of the whole sermon. The book is called 'Destined To Reign" if you insist on reading it.

Silas4exploits:
Big lie! You ofcourse have no biblical proof for these. Infact you interpretation of the bible in respect to the nature of sin is wrong! I'm a living testimony to the fact that the blood of Jesus is so potent that it can save from nature as well as actions. Infact at salvation I got the power that I hated and could nomore commit my past sins. It was not a gradual process. It was an instantaneous one! On the cross, he declared it is finished. Everything was finished. When he saves and sanctify you, he does not partly deliver you from sin(nature) and leave you to battle with the actions. It's total victory! Once again i'm a testimony!

Remain blessed my brother. When they don't understand the nature of God's Law how are they going to understand the nature of sin nor the Power to conquer sin?

Scholar8200:
Thank God for your life bro. May God grant us more grace to serve Him acceptably till we see Him face to face!

Amen!

vooks:
Hallelujah!!

Question
Do you sin?
If yes, can you recall the last time you sinned?

Are you an habitual sinner? Do you continue to live a sinful lifestyle?

OLAADEGBU:
Anyone who sins habitually is sinner living in the old nature and needs to repent.

A christian who sin is not a sinner . It's a man who has nature of sin that is a sinner.

When a Christian slips into the flesh and sins are you saying that the Holy Spirit would let go?

I may not 100% agree with Joseph prince . I'm yet to fully understand his perspective going over the matter again. The Holy Spirit do point our fault to us. He even rebukes but not condemn .

But the Christian can slip into the sin nature (old man) by living in the flesh and thereby fall into a specific sin.That is for the obedient Christian who allows God's word to abide in them.

Sin is not about "them " we all do err one way or the other. The man that gossip should not point finger to the man who keeps malice

. For God to chastise us He has to point out the specific sins we have committed so it is wrong to say that the Holy Spirit does not point out sins.

I agree. He can rebuke us on the inside and tell you "the way you spoke to that man was rude go back and apologies " Sure he can't point our faults to us .

If the issue of our sin is not with God how then will you explain Jesus' warning to believers below?

"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent" (Revelation 2:5).

The point is . God has made provision for our sin for cleansing . When a christian sins . All he needs do is repent and move on. He is still God righteousness and that's How God sees him. He doesn't need to run from God in fear or con,demnation.

promisechuks:
Please, sincerely answer this questions.

Does accepting christ make you SINLESS in FLESH by works? Quote from the scripture! And list out people who lived a sinless life after accepting christ.
PROVE WITH SCRIPTURE!!!

Accepting Christ makes me saved and sanctified by faith in the finished works of Christ. (Eph.2:8; Tit.2:11-12;2 Pet.1:20).

promisechuks:
Will you go to heaven because you don't commit sin as a believer?

We can only go to heaven by being born again and living holy lives. (1 Pet.1:23; John 3:3,5; Luke 13:3,5; Matt.5:8; 1 Thess.5:23).

promisechuks:
Does falling into temptation of sin, makes a believer a sinner? If yes, peter and paul still witnessed sin functioning on their flesh even after accepting christ, were they tagged as sinners? And if you say they asked for forgiveness after the sin, show me in the scriptures where they prayed the prayer of forgiven.

Falling into sin does not make you a sinner but habitually falling into sin does. If the scriptures says that the apostles where holy who are you to tag them as sinners? or a you accusing them of sin?

promisechuks:
Can sin hinder one from heaven? If yes, what happened in the case of moses, abraham, samson(who died by suicide), peter(who committed hypocrisy Gal 3).

"Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputes not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile" (Psalm 32:1,2).

Sin not acknowledged and repented of can hinder one from heaven.

promisechuks:
What is the difference between the system of forgiveness between the new testament and the old testament?

God covers sins in the OT but cleanses us of all sin in the NT. The blood of Jesus make the difference.

promisechuks:
Why are we sinners before God?

Not if you have repented and live a righteous and holy life by the grace of God. (Titus 2:11-12).

promisechuks:
Why are we righteous before God?

By placing our faith in and putting on the garment of righteousness in Christ Jesus.

promisechuks:
What is the reality of christ death?

He died so that I can be forgiven and rose that I may be free from the law of sin and death.

promisechuks:
Did christ die on the cross so that we CAN NEVER commit sin and become SINLESS like God? If yes, how did he die to make it happen? Was he ever under the influence of sin OVER FLESH on the cross? PROVE WITH SCRIPTURE!!!

"Being made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness" (Romans 6:18).

Jesus died to make us free from the hold of sin and if you are not free from the hold of sin then you are still a servant of sin.

promisechuks:
Is there any difference between the righteous life you are living now(as you claimed) and the righteousness of God?

"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit to holiness and the end everlasting life" (Romans 6:22).

It is either you are a servant of righteousness or a servant of sin there is no middle ground.