The OP is right, the physical representation of cross profit us nothing, such making symbol of cross in our homes, carving cross out of physical object, bowing to worship God before an object in the name of cross is a grave error.

The cross we Christian should carry, is in our heart, that is our self denial, our faith , consecration, commitment, loyalty and allegiance to christ

goodnews201668:


Did Paul or the Galatians use cross in worship?

They used awake pamphlets, and worshiped in kingdom halls.

goodnews201668:


Did the followers of Jesus use cross or fish you mentioned?

Its no more early christians now, but followers of Jesus, that you're interested in. Go study.

Syncan:


You have seen it in black and white, "Awake pamphlet christians".

Lol, they have their study materials and are discouraged from studying d bible without them.

Syncan:


You start a thread with a post, I comment based on your post, you see your error and rush to "update" your post, just to make my comment look out of place. Tell me why I should take you seriously. Smh. May I boast of nothing else but the cross. Gal.6:14.

There are no errors. Stop looking for excuses to continue running. I only added the "UPDATED" part which show how the catholic soldiers are running away from questions with their wooden cross not knowing what to say.

Go back and answer all the questions you have continue to run away from. The world is watching.

Ubenedictus:
U just couldnt help mentioning me could u?
i have been in NL long enough to know a useless thread, heck i have even made d mistake of debating on such thread. i will not do it again.
the concept of d cross was revolutionized by Jesus, the symbol of death, despair, sin and curse is now d symbol of life, hope, victory and the power of God.
that is my contribution, accept it or nt, just keep off my mention

Alright, before then kindly answer the questions at the Op if you are very confident in your belief. You are free to run if you don't have answers and I wount mention you.

goodnews201668:


Na true my brother, but I know it's not easy to change ones beliefs.

Bro you don't have to change them. Just make sure expose them well well. You saw how they are running from my questions? Thats how I do it. The sensible ones will see it and run from idol worship.

Boomark:


Bro you don't have to change them. Just make sure expose them well well. You saw how they are running from my questions? Thats how I do it. The sensible ones will see it and run from idol worship.

Syncan:


Its no more early christians now, but followers of Jesus, that you're interested in. Go study.

My brother is there any difference between early Christians and followers of Christ?
Running up and down won't help you ooo.
OK show me where cross was used in worship in the Bible.

Syncan:


They used awake pamphlets, and worshiped in kingdom halls.

We are not talking about where they worshipped, the question is did they use cross in worship?

goodnews201668:


Accepting Jesus is not by mouth, it also includes knowing the truth about him and how to worship him!

Yes,it's not by mouth but with your heart then you can confess with your mouth.and not just knowing some truth about Him but knowing Him in Person.by knowing Him in Person you can fellowship with Him personally.

ichuka:

Yes,it's not by mouth but with your heart then you can confess with your mouth.and not just knowing some truth about Him but knowing Him in Person.by knowing Him in Person you can fellowship with Him personally.

Yes must know the truth about him it's important, not just some!

Boomark:


Alright, before then kindly answer the questions at the Op if you are very confident in your belief. You are free to run if you don't have answers and I wount mention you.

hehehe, after continously changing ur own op?? i cant participate in ur silliness

Ubenedictus:
hehehe, after continously changing ur own op?? i cant participate in ur silliness

Am beginning to wonder if blindness affects the brain too. The Catholics are breaking records with the way they lie reasonably.

Brace yourself like a man, you Must answer me to prove that catholic church is worth it.

1. Muafrika2 quoted me at the beginning of page 1 and that is the original post. Compare it with what you have now at the Op. If the Updated part is not the only ADDITION I made to the Op, please tell the whole world the Changes I made in Op(ie the one Muafrika2 quoted). If you cannot do this, then it will remain a proof that catholic is a lie, their followers are liers and have been taught to defend lies with lies and accusations.

Muafrika2 please do not touch that quote or it will go a long way to prove what I wrote up there.

You catholics should involve anybody you think is higher than you to help you answer my ogbonge questions in the Updated part of the op. Am still waiting to see if you guys can attempt.

EFCC should invite me to join their team. We will take anti-corruption and anti-lie war to a great level.

Boomark:


Am beginning to wonder if blindness affects the brain too. The Catholics are breaking records with the way they lie reasonably.

Brace yourself like a man, you Must answer me to prove that catholic church is worth it.

1. Muafrika2 quoted me at the beginning of page 1 and that is the original post. Compare it with what you have now at the Op. If the Updated part is not the only ADDITION I made to the Op, please tell the whole world the Changes I made in Op(ie the one Muafrika2 quoted). If you cannot do this, then it will remain a proof that catholic is a lie, their followers are liers and have been taught to defend lies with lies and accusations.

Muafrika2 please do not touch that quote or it will go a long way to prove what I wrote up there.

You catholics should involve anybody you think is higher than you to help you answer my ogbonge questions in the Updated part of the op. Am still waiting to see if you guys can attempt.

EFCC should invite me to join their team. We will take anti-corruption and anti-lie war to a great level.

As always, emptiness. Keep modifying the OP before you make your next post, am sure we've made our point. When you read something new from awake pamphlets, check before rushing to post, use your brain to help yourself.

Syncan:
Wow! Now the devil wants to keep me away from the cross. The very thing that Jesus specifically instructed us to embrace as a sign of our discipleship. He says the cross is not something good in the sight of God, but Jesus said "Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." Lk. 9:23.
Sorry sir I go with scripture and proclaim with St.Paul, all Catholics and indeed every faithful Christian, May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world Gal.6:14

That verse does not literally mean cross. Just an idiomatic expression of taking up responsibility. Come on bruh, you should know that.

Syncan:
Wow! Now the devil wants to keep me away from the cross. The very thing that Jesus specifically instructed us to embrace as a sign of our discipleship. He says the cross is not something good in the sight of God, but Jesus said "Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." Lk. 9:23.
Sorry sir I go with scripture and proclaim with St.Paul, all Catholics and indeed every faithful Christian, May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world Gal.6:14

Vado:
That verse does not literally mean cross. Just an idiomatic expression of taking up responsibility. Come on bruh, you should know that.

To keep, whom it is applicable, away from from kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, bowing down to the Kaaba, touching or kissing the Kaaba
As doing these, are symbols of worship of gods made of wood/cross and stone/Kaaba as predicted to be or as prophesied in
Deuteronomy 4:28, Deuteronomy 28:36 and Deuteronomy 28:64

QuentinDay:


To keep, whom it is applicable, away from from kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, bowing down to the Kaaba, touching or kissing the Kaaba
As doing these, are symbols of worship of gods made of wood/cross and stone/Kaaba as predicted to be or as prophesied in
Deuteronomy 4:28, Deuteronomy 28:36 and Deuteronomy 28:64

Syncan:



Just keep saying what you like. I just have a simple fact for you. Not long ago, some missionaries came to convert your fathers, they destroyed your father's shrines and gods, taught them Christ crucified, and the power of God was made manifest in them. These men came with the cross, the planted it on the land, they wore it on their bodies, they blessed the people with its sign, they were Christians. What are you without the cross?

Just to help you think a little.

Vado:


That verse does not literally mean cross. Just an idiomatic expression of taking up responsibility. Come on bruh, you should know that.

Ok, thank you.

Syncan:



As always, emptiness. Keep modifying the OP before you make your next post, am sure we've made our point. When you read something new from awake pamphlets, check before rushing to post, use your brain to help yourself.

Ok...Lets assume I modified it (which is never a crime), the modified post is still pointing vehemently to the fact that catholics are worshipping idols with the cross they make and lack knowledge of the truth. Please answer the questions the supposed modified post asked.

I hope I wount get "you deleted the op this time?" Don't make it look as if ordinary awake is beating catholics bible hands down with abundance of reason, knowledge and understanding. Don't make it look like awake has made catholics defenceless and helpless by asking them to defend the scripture they quoted.

These are the questions with the bible quotes you guys presented but could not defend.
1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him? Luke 9:23.
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wooden cross? Gal 6:14
3. What is the message of the cross? Is the message about how to design, kneel and bow before a man-made cross? 1Cor 1:18-19.

Mail your pope for answers, ask your rev fathers and teachers, if you don't know how to answer this my super questions cos it still remains....catholics are worshipping idols.

By the way, it seems the other guy is on the run with his wooded cross? I mean Ubene....ohw! He asked me not to mention him again.

Syncan:
Just keep saying what you like. I just have a simple fact for you. Not long ago, some missionaries came to convert your fathers, they destroyed your father's shrines and gods, taught them Christ crucified, and the power of God was made manifest in them. These men came with the cross, the planted it on the land, they wore it on their bodies, they blessed the people with its sign, they were Christians

Just to help you think a little.

Just to help you think a little, you're not asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Paul never asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Even, if there were Christians doing all that, it doesnt mean, it is right,
and anyway just like goodnews201668 said, we know Constantine can have the credit for introducing the man-made crucifix or cross idea fashion trend

Matthew 15:8-9
8‘These people honor me with their lips,but their hearts are far from me.
9Their worship is a farce,for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God

Syncan:
What are you without the cross?

In as much as, I appreciate and value what happened starting from Caiaphas's presence all the way to Calvary and on the cross, the cross, as a matter of fact, is a more of a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.

As goodnews201668 and Vado have noticed about you, you have that dogged mistaken belief that ''take up your cross'' ''bear your cross'' or ''carry your cross'' literally means wearing a cross round the neck, hanging a cross on your car's rear view mirror etc

Apostle Paul, goodnews201668, Boomark, Vado, moi and others, believe in the power of the cross, believe in the message of the cross but do not believe in kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, wearing the cross etc because it is not biblical

Besides, kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, in fact, going by Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 5:8, is in direct violation of the 2nd commandment

Leviticus 26:1
“You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.

And be not ignorant to the fact that, all those Cesare Borgia stone statutes littered all over the place in Mexico, Brazil, in the village of Abajah in SE Nigeria etc are in direct violation of Leviticus 26:1
and most of the church, at a personal and organizational level, are complicit, in this unlawful practice

QuentinDay:
Just to help you think a little, you're not asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Paul never asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Even, if there were Christians doing all that, it doesnt mean, it is right,
and anyway just like goodnews201668 said, we know Constantine can have the credit for introducing the man-made crucifix or cross idea fashion trend

Matthew 15:8-9
8‘These people honor me with their lips,but their hearts are far from me.
9Their worship is a farce,for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God

In as much as, I appreciate and value what happened starting from Caiaphas's presence all the way to Calvary and on the cross, the cross, as a matter of fact, is a more of a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.

As goodnews201668 and Vado have noticed about you, you have that dogged mistaken belief that ''take up your cross'' ''bear your cross'' or ''carry your cross'' literally means wearing a cross round the neck, hanging a cross on your car's rear view mirror etc

Apostle Paul, goodnews201668, Boomark, Vado, moi and others, believe in the power of the cross, believe in the message of the cross but do not believe in kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, wearing the cross etc because it is not biblical

Besides, kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, in fact, going by Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 5:8, is in direct violation of the 2nd commandment

Leviticus 26:1
“You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.

And be not ignorant to the fact that, all those Cesare Borgia stone statutes littered all over the place in Mexico, Brazil, in the village of Abajah in SE Nigeria etc are in direct violation of Leviticus 26:1
and most of the church, at a personal and organizational level, are complicit, in this unlawful practice

Too much talk, no substance. End time supposed Christians who have nothing to show Christ for their faith, running to nairaland to condemn the practices of those who taught their fathers Christianity. All you know about Christianity is the corrupted version of what they taught, Yet when they taught this Christianity to your fathers and to the ends of the earth, they wore the cross, they planted it on lands won for Christ, they blessed converts with it, they gave their lives to the executioners for the gospel wearing the cross, they lived saintly lives and God showed his approval of them by great signs. Today, end time, the devil is fighting his last battle, he is blindly attacking all Semblance of Christianity, modernists cried that it should be removed from schools, now jehova witnesses are killing themselves about my wearing it. Iconoclasm is an old heresy, you are not saying something new.

Boomark:


Ok...Lets assume I modified it (which is never a crime), the modified post is still pointing vehemently to the fact that catholics are worshipping idols with the cross they make and lack knowledge of the truth. Please answer the questions the supposed modified post asked.

I hope I wount get "you deleted the op this time?" Don't make it look as if ordinary awake is beating catholics bible hands down with abundance of reason, knowledge and understanding. Don't make it look like awake has made catholics defenceless and helpless by asking them to defend the scripture they quoted.

These are the questions with the bible quotes you guys presented but could not defend.
1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him? Luke 9:23.
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wooden cross? Gal 6:14
3. What is the message of the cross? Is the message about how to design, kneel and bow before a man-made cross? 1Cor 1:18-19.

Mail your pope for answers, ask your rev fathers and teachers, if you don't know how to answer this my super questions cos it still remains....catholics are worshipping idols.

By the way, it seems the other guy is on the run with his wooded cross? I mean Ubene....ohw! He asked me not to mention him again.

Stop trying hard to look reasonable, if you can't understand my posts its not my fault. You've shown lack of integrity by constantly changing goal posts, i don't have time for childish rants, those who come to nairaland are not all kids.

Syncan:
Too much talk, no substance

No surprises, as it all went over your head

Syncan:
End time supposed Christians who have nothing to show Christ for their faith, running to nairaland to condemn the practices of those who taught their fathers Christianity

You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.

Syncan:
All you know about Christianity is the corrupted version of what they taught, Yet when they taught this Christianity to your fathers and to the ends of the earth, they wore the cross, they planted it on lands won for Christ, they blessed converts with it, they gave their lives to the executioners for the gospel wearing the cross, they lived saintly lives and God showed his approval of them by great signs. Today, end time, the devil is fighting his last battle, he is blindly attacking all Semblance of Christianity, modernists cried that it should be removed from schools, now jehova witnesses are killing themselves about my wearing it

You're not asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Paul never asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Even, if there were Christians doing all that, it doesnt mean, it is right,

Syncan:
Iconoclasm is an old heresy, you are not saying something new

Not an old heresy but is called 2 Kings 18:3-4, doing right in the sight of the LORD

Syncan:


Stop trying hard to look reasonable, if you can't understand my posts its not my fault. You've shown lack of integrity by constantly changing goal posts, i don't have time for childish rants, those who come to nairaland are not all kids.

You made no post. Where is the post you made? Can you defend that post of yours? Your post on the why you carry wooden cross around is as good as useless since you cannot defend what you copied and pasted from your teachers. I want to deal with your teachers and rev fathers. You are not qualified and capable to answer my questions.

Boomark:

You made no post. Where is the post you made? Can you defend that post of yours? Your post on the why you carry wooden cross around is as good as useless since you cannot defend what you copied and pasted from your teachers. I want to deal with your teachers and rev fathers. You are not qualified and capable to answer my questions.

Since you jehova witnesses have failed to get my point, let me try one last time to enlighten you. I won't start telling you that when the bronze serpent was destroyed in 2 kings- as quoted by QuentinDay- that the cherubs in the ark of covenant num 20:6, josh 7:6 were not destroyed too, neither do I want to remind you that more Images were built in Solomon's temple afterwards. I will leave those ones to you.
However let me take you to the acts of the apostles. I want to gently bring to your notice the fact that Circumcision to become adopted children of God was scriptural acts 15:5, even Jesus never removed it by words. Yet the apostles saw the works God wrought among the uncircumcised and they knew God supported Paul and co Acts 15:7-10. By that very act, they understood scripture better and knew that Circumcision was never, in the sense they thought, what is necessarily to belong to the family of God. In same manner, Today without wanting to I have pointed to you the works of the early Christians, who spread the gospel to the ends of the earth, who converted your fathers from their man made gods, who laid down their lives for the gospel before tyrants and savages,who destroyed your evil forests and defeated your community demons. I have told you they wore the cross/crucifix, I have told you they planted these in the lands conquered for Christ, I have told you they blessed people including your converted fathers with the sign of the cross, and God wrought miracles as they went. The apostles recognized God's work and were humble enough to accept the truth, but you, no, you are like those brethren who continue to insist that there must be circumcision for the gentiles as if they are God Himself. Smh.

QuentinDay:
No surprises, as it all went over your head

You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.

You're not asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Paul never asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Even, if there were Christians doing all that, it doesnt mean, it is right,

Not an old heresy but is called 2 Kings 18:3-4, doing right in the sight of the LORD

They did all those and God showed His mighty presence in their midst. Who are you then to dictate for God, don't you think you failed to understand Him? Josh 7:6, he did right in the face of God too. Meanwhile all these your vibrations does not remove the fact the OP said " The Cross: a symbol of the accursed and not Christianity" And I said no, I follow Jesus, he died on the cross, and in Jn 3:14, he talked about it as a symbol. Thank you and God bless.

Syncan:


Stop reading junks, constantine was an emperor, he was not a Pope. Before the cross, Christians used the fish as their symbol, do you know that too?

The majority of these people dont even know that emperor Constantine was not based in the actual Rome which they hate but in the Greek east, in Constantinople and that it is Greek Christians and not Roman Christians, who commemorate him as a saint.

Papist:

The majority of these people dont even know that emperor Constantine was not based in the actual Rome which they hate but in the Greek east, in Constantinople and that it is Greek Christians and not Roman Christians, who commemorate him as a saint.

Ah, bros which chapter of jw awake pamphlet says that

Syncan:
Since you jehova witnesses have failed to get my point, let me try one last time to enlighten you. I won't start telling you that when the bronze serpent was destroyed in 2 kings- as quoted by QuentinDay- that the cherubs in the ark of covenant num 20:6, josh 7:6 were not destroyed too, neither do I want to remind you that more Images were built in Solomon's temple afterwards. I will leave those ones to you.
However let me take you to the acts of the apostles. I want to gently bring to your notice the fact that Circumcision to become adopted children of God was scriptural acts 15:5, even Jesus never removed it by words. Yet the apostles saw the works God wrought among the uncircumcised and they knew God supported Paul and co Acts 15:7-10. By that very act, they understood scripture better and knew that Circumcision was never, in the sense they thought, what is necessarily to belong to the family of God. In same manner, Today without wanting to I have pointed to you the works of the early Christians, who spread the gospel to the ends of the earth, who converted your fathers from their man made gods, who laid down their lives for the gospel before tyrants and savages,who destroyed your evil forests and defeated your community demons. I have told you they wore the cross/crucifix, I have told you they planted these in the lands conquered for Christ, I have told you they blessed people including your converted fathers with the sign of the cross, and God wrought miracles as they went. The apostles recognized God's work and were humble enough to accept the truth, but you, no, you are like those brethren who continue to insist that there must be circumcision for the gentiles as if they are God Himself. Smh.

All you posted with images built in Solomon's temple or circumcision for the gentiles are smoke and mirrors
Since you still have failed to get original poster's point that you're not asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Paul never asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

The apostles didnt disregard the commandment of God
and the apostles didnt keep this tradition of men of planting the cross on the land, wearing the cross on the bodies, blessing people with the cross sign, kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross etc

Syncan:
They did all those and God showed His mighty presence in their midst.

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Syncan:
Who are you then to dictate for God

Nothing to do with me
Your grousing should be with the second commandment, the Bible and not me

Syncan:
don't you think you failed to understand Him?

You've abysmally failed to understand that the original poster has no problem with the message or power of the cross

Syncan:
Josh 7:6, he did right in the face of God too.

Please dont try to be deceitful here as you will be misleading others with ''he did right in the face of God''

Dont make dubious similarities
2 Kings 18:3-4 and Joshua 7:6 are incompatible
2 Kings 18:3-4 was keeping the second commandment, but what was Joshua 7:6 keeping?

Joshua, in Joshua 7:6, is more a case of ''he did right in his own eyes' and not ''did right in the face of God''

Syncan:
Meanwhile all these your vibrations does not remove the fact the OP said " The Cross: a symbol of the accursed and not Christianity"

The original poster explained further in the body of his original post what he meant by "The Cross: a symbol of the accursed and not Christianity"

Syncan:
And I said no, I follow Jesus, he died on the cross, and in Jn 3:14

Fine and good on you if you follow Jesus etc and you are not doing any of the venerating the cross sort, like wearing the cross on the body, blessing people with the cross sign, kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross

Syncan:
he talked about it as a symbol. Thank you and God bless.

To whom it is applicable, kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross, bowing down to the Kaaba, touching or kissing the Kaaba are symbols of worship of gods made of wood/cross and stone/Kaaba as predicted will happen or as prophesied in
Deuteronomy 4:28, Deuteronomy 28:36 and Deuteronomy 28:64
Thank you and God bless.

QuentinDay:
All you posted with images built in Solomon's temple or circumcision for the gentiles are smoke and mirrors
Since you still have failed to get original poster's point that you're not asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

Paul never asked to plant the cross on the land, not asked to wear the cross on the bodies, not asked to bless people with the cross sign etc

The apostles didnt disregard the commandment of God
and the apostles didnt keep this tradition of men of planting the cross on the land, wearing the cross on the bodies, blessing people with the cross sign, kissing the cross, bowing down to the cross etc

Hahahaha, you see, calling what I wrote "smoke and mirrors" doesn't prevent it from being true. You can't just wish it away. You find the truth bitter and all you could do is just keep typing while hoping to make sense. Anyway, I'll let you be, In your mind all those people that spread the goodnews all over the ends of the earth,preaching Christ crucified, blessing people and lands with the sign, planting the Cross on lands conquered for Christ,baptising people into body of Christ, and who finally died for Christ are going to hell, despite all the signs that God was with them, while you and your fellow endtime jehova witnesses will be in heaven abi earth... I don't even know the one you seek again sef. Don't worry, am not going to start going up and down scriptures with you, I simply just want to make common sense

Meanwhile when next you discuss with me, try not to break my posts into tiny parts as you like, it's a haven for mischief and dishonesty, I don't bother with such posts.