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| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 8:41pm On May 08, 2016 |
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| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by emaculate99: 8:42pm On May 08, 2016 |
Neyoor:You haven't gotten the point, have you? Federal Character has not been fully implemented in Nigeria because the government can choose to forgo it based on its non-justiciability nature. If the non-justiciability nature is removed, if the government fail to implement such, they will be sued. Equal representation will be used in Nigeria if it is made justiciable. Nigeria has not practiced Federal Character as it is supposed. Federal Character as practiced in Nigeria is on the paper because of its non-justiciability nature. Can a car work without engine ? Federal Character is the car, Justiciability nature is the engine |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Nobody: 8:43pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:Good! That makes the policy irrelevant. If the government didn't make use of this policy, there is nothing any one can do about it. Which implies that a president can just wake up one day and fill all the agencies with people from his region, sabotaging the other regions. What are we then say here my friend? Can't we just neglect this policy since no one can castigate the government for appointing from any region he so desire. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by OAUTemitayo: 8:43pm On May 08, 2016 |
Neyoor:Is there any region of Nigeria that has a monopoly of the stated standards and benchmarks used alongside the federal character? How would you feel if only Igbos are the one controlling the military? Do you the dangers of a single ethnic group controlling government and security structures of a country with a very diverse and agitated ehnic composition as Nigeria? Remember the Rwanda genocide? Remember the Sudan civil war? Concentration of state structures in one ethnic group was the major reason the above wars happened. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by graciousolo(m): 8:43pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:I am not sure you wrote that with thorough consideration. Could you please tell me the correlation of that with federal character? |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Nobody: 8:45pm On May 08, 2016 |
OAUTemitayo:It will sound myopic and incomplete to defined Federal character like that. It encompasses four things which are admission, promotion, appointments and recruitment. If you think that way, then, beyond doubt, you don't have good picture and appreciation of Federal character. I will subject you to do more investigation on this topic at hand. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by emaculate99: 8:46pm On May 08, 2016 |
Neyoor:First of all, this is an intellectual debate, we need to be mindful of our language and respect one another. If Federal Character is not used, regions will not have equal representation and they will be marginalised. Marginalisation brings fight for the emancipation of a particular region which leads to protest and vandalism when it reaches its peak. Have you gotten my point now? graciousolo: Neyoor:First of all, this is an intellectual debate, we need to be mindful of our language and respect one another. If Federal Character is not used, regions will not have equal representation and they will be marginalised. Marginalisation brings fight for the emancipation of a particular region which leads to protest and vandalism when it reaches its peak. Have you gotten my point now? |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 8:47pm On May 08, 2016 |
We are ending the Rebuttals stage by 9pm. (Take note. Neyoor, graciousolo, OAUTemitayo, Emaculate99) While Judges post questions to debaters either on what the debater has posited or revolving around the debate topic starting from 9pm. Judges please take note. Obinoscopy Caracta Ishilove |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by OAUTemitayo: 8:50pm On May 08, 2016 |
Neyoor:The topic says "Should Federal Character matter in the appointment of people into public offices and not universities! Stop digressing from the basic foundation of the topic. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by emaculate99: 8:51pm On May 08, 2016 |
Neyoor:If that is the case, then meritocracy will be more irrelevant as it is not mentioned in our constitution at all in terms of appointment. For the fact that Federal Character could enter into our constitution means that its importance is recognised than meritocracy. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by graciousolo(m): 8:51pm On May 08, 2016 |
OAUTemitayo:What if the Igbos are the most skilled and qualified for that position? Are you saying merit shouldn't matter? If we have the progress of the country at heart then we will make progressive policies that will drive growth and positive competition. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 8:53pm On May 08, 2016 |
8 mins to the end of rebuttals. ![]() Neyoor Graciousolo OAUTemitayo Emaculate99 |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Nobody: 8:54pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:Is marginalisation hapenning in Nigeria or not? YES. I will tell you this. We have three main tribes in Nigeria just as they have in Bosnia " According to 2012 United States factsheet, Nigeria has 250 ethnic groups. The most populous and politically influential include: Hausa and Fulani 29%, Yoruba 21%, Igbo (Ibo) 18%, Ijaw 10%, Kanuri 4%, Ibibio 3.5%, Tiv 2.5%" Bosnia and Herzegovina is home to three ethnic "constituent peoples": Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats. Ethnically, according to data from 2000 cited by the Central Intelligence Agency, Bosniaks constitute 48% of the population, Serbs 37.1%, Croats 14.3%, and others form 0.6%. In Bosnia House of People (Senate) With 15 Seats Bosniaks: 5 Seats Croats: 5 Seats Serbs: 5 Seats House of Representative With 42 Seats Bosniaks: 14 Croats: 14 Serbs: 14 But in Nigeria, the Northerners have more representation in the National Assembly than every other tribes. Is there now marginalisation in Nigeria or not? |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by OAUTemitayo: 8:55pm On May 08, 2016 |
graciousolo:Are you joking? Is there any tribe in Nigeria that have the monopoly of knowledge? There are people who are qualified for all this public offices from every single tribe in Nigeria? On what basis do you think people who don't have the same language and root are still seeing themselves as Nigerians? The basis of equity |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Ishilove: 8:56pm On May 08, 2016 |
Interesting |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 8:56pm On May 08, 2016 |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by emaculate99: 8:57pm On May 08, 2016 |
graciousolo:1. Federal Character was made to correct the mistake of the British who joined us together without any recourse and thereby making each group to be scared of being dominated by a particular group. 2. You only mentioned the fact that it breeds bias without mentioning how. How can a beautiful Federal Character that is made to correct the British mistake and to give everyone a sense of belonging breed bias? 3. Federal Character can only work in a country that has the law that back it up. Nigeria only operates Federal Character on paper and in not in reality. If such is the case, we won't be here debating. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Nobody: 8:58pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:Change is constant and possible in all facet of lives, infact it is the most common thing that every tribe is endowed with. That is why I said federal character is archaic and old fashioned. We are now in a civilized world. Merit should be the yard stick and not federal character for appointment to public offices |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by graciousolo(m): 8:58pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:The fact that something is done over time doesn't make it right. We all know that our constitution's review is long over-due. I don't believe you are trying to downplay meritocracy. Would you employ people to your firm (if you had one) based on nothing less than merit? I guess not. If you wouldn't do that, then Nigeria deserves better. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by emaculate99: 8:59pm On May 08, 2016 |
Neyoor:In the Nigerian house of Senate, we have 3 senators from each sate and 1 from the FCT. There is equal distribution of office if I am to follow your logic. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 9:01pm On May 08, 2016 |
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| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by OAUTemitayo: 9:01pm On May 08, 2016 |
graciousolo:Nobody has the monopoly of knowledge. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 9:01pm On May 08, 2016 |
Judges any question? If yes kindly drop them. Ishilove Obinoscopy Caracta |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by emaculate99: 9:02pm On May 08, 2016 |
graciousolo:The fact that something enters the constitution makes it right. Yes! the constitution needs review and one of the things that needs review is the removal of the non-justiciability clause in section 6(6c) of the constitution. The fact that it is a provision in the constitution makes it supreme. Going by section 1(3) of the 1999 constitution. "When any of the provision of this constitution is in conflict with any law (principle or opinion) this provision shall prevail and such law will by the extent of its inconsistency be null and void." The principle of Federal Character is supreme compared to meritocracy. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Nobody: 9:03pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:That is far from equal distribution my brother. We have three main tribes, our states and representatives at the NASS should be balanced if we are not practising a system of government that favours one tribe than the other. Should I tell you the no of representatives every tribes is having at the NASS? Perhaps, you would be aware of the inequality and gross marginalisation |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by graciousolo(m): 9:04pm On May 08, 2016 |
emaculate99:Yes, our inability to effectively practice it is the main reason we should stop pretending about it. Did you see my report on the amount of public offices dominated by Hausas and Yorubas? Merit cannot be over-emphasized when it comes to progress and that where every Nigerian wants to be. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 9:05pm On May 08, 2016 |
Fynestboi:ANY QUESTIONS SIR ANY QUESTIONS MAS |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by graciousolo(m): 9:05pm On May 08, 2016 |
OAUtemitayo, You are saying that Federal character rests strictly on merit? Get your fact right. Federal character is based main on region to avoid tribal domination and unequal distribution of public opportunities. And if I will tell you what is obvious, that primary focus of the principle and its commission are still prevalent. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Ishilove: 9:05pm On May 08, 2016 |
Fynestboi:None for now, sir. I'm still reading through. |
| Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate 3RD EDITION -Winner- Obafemi Awolowo University by Fynestboi(mod): 9:06pm On May 08, 2016 |
Ishilove:Ooooo OK ma. |
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