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ethene:
I have really observed this trend, especially with people that graduated with a 2.2 grades and below, they would smartly omit their grades when preparing their CVs. For instance a 2.2 graduate is most likely to write "second class (honors)" instead of "second class honors (lower division)" on his CV. My question is why is this so? Since if eventually u are being called for interview u would definitely be asked. I believe recruiters would most likely sideline ur application because of this omission. What do u think?

If you really want me to be very specific with my class on my cv like "second class lower". Would you also like it if I am totally specific of what my CGPA is.. like 3.48/5 ??

JAMB QUESTION.

lollydope:
please your grade......!

Grade has nothing todo with literal prowess

[/quote][quote author=ethene post=45435844]I have really observed this trend, especially with people that graduated with a 2.2 grades and below, they would smartly omit their grades when preparing their CVs. For instance a 2.2 graduate is most likely to write "second class (honors)" instead of "second class honors (lower division)" on his CV. My question is why is this so? Since if eventually u are being called for interview u would definitely be asked. I believe recruiters would most likely sideline ur application because of this omission. What do u think?

What would you have done if your were below 2.1, Is this thread necessary in the first place? Or would rather d person dump his CV BC of 2.2. I am not encouraging mediocrity but some 2.2 are way better than 2.1,...

haibe:
I beg to disagree.. this classes or grades actually do not make make sense, at least to a large extent.

You call someone that finished with a 3.49 a second class lower student and label him "dull" or "less intelligent "

You then call someone that finished with a 3.50 a second class upper student and label him a more intelligent fellow.

You refuse to give the former a job because of your assumption, while you give the latter a job because of your assumption.

The first thing to note is that the difference between these two is insignicant and putting them in different class doesn't make sense at all.

It is very possible that the guy with 3.49 is actually a better student depending on the difficulty of his course of study, strictness of the examiners, human error while marking his scripts, the conditions of learning in his school environment .. etc.. in order words basing your decision on absolute figures can be misleading, factors that could determine a good grade should always be put into concern.

What most employers do is like investing in a company simply because it has a higher profit than other companies, without taking into consideration factors that could have led to the higher profit (like the weighted average number of shares used to generate the profit and other capital).

All in all, those classes are meaningless as they ascribe an ability to a person based on historical conditions, you should employ people based on what they are now or who they are now, not who they are 7 years ago.

So I totally disagree with you that 95% of the time, your grade shows your intelligence, that's too false.

Dude, the sad truth is that there's nothing you can do about it. Performance has to be measured.

If doing military screening exercise and you are to run x km within y minutes compulsorily, if you miss it by a few seconds, you're out. It doesn't matter if you would have single-handed wiped out Boko menace because you would have become Schwarzenegger of Nigerian Army.

If you also don't meet grades for medical school admission, you won't go. It doesn't matter if you have extremely dexterous hands and would have become an excellent surgeon.

Those who set up these criteria know from historical evidence that these things are important. The fairness or unfairness of it is irrelevant.

Standards have to be set. That is the real world. None of us will ever always get everything we think we deserve each time.

AreaFada2:
Dude, the sad truth is that there's nothing you can do about it. Performance has to be measured.

If doing military screening exercise and you are to run x km within y minutes compulsorily, if you miss it by a few seconds, you're out. It doesn't matter if you would have single-handed wiped out Boko menace because you would have become Schwarzenegger of Nigerian Army.

If you also don't meet grades for medical school admission, you won't go. It doesn't matter if you have extremely dexterous hands and would have become an excellent surgeon.

Those who set up these criteria know from historical evidence that these things are important. The fairness or unfairness of it is irrelevant.

Standards have to be set. That is the real world. None of us will ever always get everything we think we deserve each time.

I know I know, I am just addressing the part where you said 95% of the time....bla bla.

I actually agree that standards need to be set, funny thing is that only entry level workers are asked for these grades.. out there it's more of what you can offer

Beautifulemi:
Lol! it is better to leave the recruiters curious and surprise him or her with your intellect. Most times, some persons have this result on paper and not in their brain.

Just like the OP who with his write up makes us believe he has 2.1 and still asking silly questions. He has the result on paper with fraud and could not exhibit it with his brain on common sense. Fixed.

ethene:
I have really observed this trend, especially with people that graduated with a 2.2 grades and below, they would smartly omit their grades when preparing their CVs. For instance a 2.2 graduate is most likely to write "second class (honors)" instead of "second class honors (lower division)" on his CV. My question is why is this so? Since if eventually u are being called for interview u would definitely be asked. I believe recruiters would most likely sideline ur application because of this omission. What do u think?

I dont think you are right on ur observation cause I have 2.2 of 3.48 But I indicate (lower division) on my CV. I also know friends who do same

AreaFada2:
Really? Well, some of the word's best companies recruiting from my university back in the day clearly requested grades.

I wonder if you would consider Barclay's Bank, HSBC, the largest pharmaceutical & insurance companies unserious.

A good grade means you worked over many years towards excellence. At least in climes where buying pamphlets and settling lecturers don't determine your grade.

Top companies want the very best. Guess what, they correlate it with your grade.

Not the son or daughter of so & so or reference from certain big individuals matter.

No Bro,they will ask during an interview session not before or during submission of CV's thats my point. Guess you might have seen posts were peeps say they have seen 2:2 materials that are far much better than 2:1 peeps? I can tell you most times they are smarter and more intelligent,your grade doesn't define you.

Beautifulemi:
Lol! it is better to leave the recruiters curious and surprise him or her with your intellect. Most times, some persons have this result on paper and not in their brain.

I disagree with you.

CFCman:
How much u dey sell am? £50?

Na 5 pounds

henryhemon:
No Bro,they will ask during an interview session not before or during submission of CV's thats my point. Guess you might have seen posts were peeps say they have seen 2:2 materials that are far much better than 2:1 peeps? I can tell you most times they are smarter and more intelligent, your grade doesn't define you.

Well, I have seen a couple of guys capable of getting 1.1 who got 2.2.
Both lost focus early on the course. This was a school where all your time in the university count towards your degree. Last two years contributing more of course.
They could not make up well enough for earlier slips in the final year.


Ability to work hard over a long period to achieve a stated goal, to still perform well irrespective of pressure, distraction, challenges. That is the point of your degree class partly, and it is a thing most employers desire in their staff.

There are many extremely intelligent people who wasted their abilities. Because they lack the other aspects of intelligence like focus, determination & discipline.

Now you twisted my point talking about "degree class defining people". There are school drop outs who are now billionaires. Zuckerberg, Phillip Green & Gate come to mind.

But would you advise your siblings to leave university half-way and come sit at home because of Zuckerberg's & Gate's success?

Of course if you end up with a 2.2 or third class or a pass, you can still make it big. You may have to try harder to get a foot in.

I'm certain that given a choice, an average human being would take a 2.1 over 2.2 when graduating.

Ecclesiastes 9:11.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."

I think it's unfair when recruiters base their recruitment on grades,rather than facts,if you have an opportunity to interview some 2.2 graduates and 2.1 or 1st class graduates,you'll be surprised by the performance of the lower class. Have you compared someone graduating with 1st class from an institution of lower standards to a graduate with2nd class or 3rd class from an institution whose standards are very high? Then talking about smartness,try comparing a trader who has been into business for about 4yrs to a 1st class graduate. :-XI think it's unfair when recruiters base their recruitment on grades,rather than facts,if you have an opportunity to interview some 2.2 graduates and 2.1 or 1st class graduates,you'll be surprised by the performance of the lower class. Have you compared someone graduating with 1st class from an institution of lower standards to a graduate with2nd class or 3rd class from an institution whose standards are very high? Then talking about smartness,try comparing a trader who has been into business for about 4yrs to a 1st class graduate.

Op plz I submitted my cv online like every other person and with my 2.2 proudly displayed on it. Afterall I can defend what I studied. Early this year I was invited for an interview alongside some experienced persons. Even with my lack of experience I wrote an impromptu test, had two interview sessions and I alone of others got a job as an admin officer in an oil service company. It's God's favor and your intelligence not your class of degree.

In General, The Higher The Degree, The Higher The Salary

in AY's voice, use your head!
if your surname will serve as a weakness in your cv, delete it, wait till you are called to convince and/or confuse them. Formerly, there is no status in my cv, but I recently opted to, I even have to edit my hobbies and interest based on the kind of job.
use your head. I see you making a poor marketing manager if you don't still get it based on different explanation.

datalossvictim1:
Na 5 pounds

Deal

I made 2:1 not from any dumb Uni but ABU Zaria. Comments so far even physically among friends makes one want to just keep quiet an pass by when 2:2 guys are talking a dissing ur kind. I never brag abt my grades God helped me and I worked hard. In anycase it doesn't assure u of a job in a country like ours. I truly agree that fair chances should be given to people to really show what they can do, to be smart also goes beyond the four walls of a school. However as somebody said standards have to be set, and some orgs just will not bother looking at some grades, their own self rules. well as for answering OP its best to leave such info out and prove your worth should an interview come up. If u have better grades show it too, u worked for it so let it work for you in the labour market.

gblaker:
Hiring managers and recruiters often times don't look at your grade. I've seen folks with zero formal or college degrees earning 6 figure salaries.

25 Highest paying Jobs in the United States

http://www.tnlounge.com/466/25-highest-paying-jobs-in-the-united-states

Mayb they dont look at ur grades, maybe they do. But as for your second statement.. folks with zero... college degrees... earning six figures IN NIGERIA? lol loolllzz thank God for said US

The guy that posted this must be really sick in the head, do you think having first class or third class determines ur destination in succeeding exceedingly in life. You sick shit .... Recruiters dont really care what ur grade is but only what u can do for them . I have a 3rd class and working with Huawei Tech Lekki (WELL PAID) also running my own business, I got the job by grace not connection, anything can happen to anyone , Jst pray , work hard and believe . Grade has nothing to do with your prosperity ... GBAM!!! Ode boy ...Learn

AreaFada2:
Well, I have seen a couple of guys capable of getting 1.1 who got 2.2.
Both lost focus early on the course. This was a school where all your time in the university count towards your degree. Last two years contributing more of course.
They could not make up well enough for earlier slips in the final year.


Ability to work hard over a long period to achieve a stated goal, to still perform well irrespective of pressure, distraction, challenges. That is the point of your degree class partly, and it is a thing most employers desire in their staff.

There are many extremely intelligent people who wasted their abilities. Because they lack the other aspects of intelligence like focus, determination & discipline.

Now you twisted my point talking about "degree class defining people". There are school drop outs who are now billionaires. Zuckerberg, Phillip Green & Gate come to mind.

But would you advise your siblings to leave university half-way and come sit at home because of Zuckerberg's & Gate's success?

Of course if you end up with a 2.2 or third class or a pass, you can still make it big. You may have to try harder to get a foot in.

I'm certain that given a choice, an average human being would take a 2.1 over 2.2 when graduating.

Ecclesiastes 9:11.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."

Nice one. I agree with you.

ethene:
I have really observed this trend, especially with people that graduated with a 2.2 grades and below, they would smartly omit their grades when preparing their CVs. For instance a 2.2 graduate is most likely to write "second class (honors)" instead of "second class honors (lower division)" on his CV. My question is why is this so? Since if eventually u are being called for interview u would definitely be asked. I believe recruiters would most likely sideline ur application because of this omission. What do u think?

because recruiters in Nigeria ate demonic.
they judge the book by the cover.

AreaFada2:
Every idiot and his dog know that when people omit 2.1 from Second class grade, it automatically means 2.2.
No exception.

When you're given a chance to come for an interview, it's not because you fooled your prospective employer.

It's because there are other things on the cv that got them attracted. Employers already know the trick

Brightgem:
I made 2:1 not from any dumb Uni but ABU Zaria. Comments so far even physically among friends makes one want to just keep quiet an pass by when 2:2 guys are talking a dissing ur kind. I never brag abt my grades God helped me and I worked hard. In anycase it doesn't assure u of a job in a country like ours. I truly agree that fair chances should be given to people to really show what they can do, to be smart also goes beyond the four walls of a school. However as somebody said standards have to be set, and some orgs just will not bother looking at some grades, their own self rules. well as for answering OP its best to leave such info out and prove your worth should an interview come up. If u have better grades show it too, u worked for it so let it work for you in the labour market.

Fellow Abusite! Fellow 2'1 mate... Which dept u graj from

Brightgem:
Mayb they dont look at ur grades, maybe they do. But as for your second statement.. folks with zero... college degrees... earning six figures IN NIGERIA? lol loolllzz thank God for said US

Lol, I know that's practically impossible in Nigeria.

lagosrd:
May Almighty Godbless you and I this morning for this your comment. See the breakdown of what you just said.
" if God is no respecter of any man definitely he is bound to show mercy to whomever he so desires" so the prayer that has been working for me is that God have mercy on me I am hopeless and see if it doesn't work. Na one of my orijo I give you soooooo.

thats what we all need my brother. God's mercy ND everything will fall in place, forget grade oooo

ademasta:
It's because there are other things on the cv that got them attracted. Employers already know the trick

Nope. Maybe their pay and or working conditions are rubbish anyway. So most 1.1 & 2.1 who took the jobs in the past only used it as a stepping stone, and moved on quickly.

I know people turned down from certain jobs for reasons like : "Sorry, you're over-qualified for this job; sorry, we know you won't stay long on this job". It might be rare in 9ja where decent jobs are not abundant. But not unusual in some places.

AreaFada2:
Nope. Maybe their pay and or working conditions and rubbish anyway and most 1.1 & 2.1 who took the jobs in the past only used it as a stepping stone, and moved on quickly.

I know people turned down from certain jobs for reasons like : "Sorry, you're over-qualified for this job; sorry, we know you won't stay long on this job". It might be rare in 9ja where decent jobs are not abundant. But not unusual in some places.

You are very correct brother

Disraelee:
I dont think you are right on ur observation cause I have 2.2 of 3.48 But I indicate (lower division) on my CV. I also know friends who do same

I also did same ... Omitting ur class of degree gives the HR and Impression that this guy didn't do too well in school...

I clearly stated my class of degree followed by the CGPA much better that way(if the difference to the next class of degree is just marginal)

As for those who are of the opinion that the class of degree should not be included, there's only two things that can happen it's either the HR out of his/her own discretion decides to invite you perhaps for the fact your CV looks rich based on some of the contents such as " leadership roles, awards, professional experience, professional certifications, and other selling points " or He/ she decides to sidelines ur CV and use the fact that u omitted your class of degree as a criteria to downsize the number of applications, that's just it

Now we should also keep in mind that there are numerous factors that could earn you an invite ur class of degree alone doesn't do it all, but there are some HR who looks forwards to your the Awards and Leadership roles section on your CV, while some are more interested in your experience and so on.....

ademasta:
You are very correct brother

I agree 100% with you. God factor in everything we do. I'm a witness

Mattex001:
I also did same ... Omitting ur class of degree gives the HR and Impression that this guy didn't do too well in school...

I clearly stated my class of degree followed by the CGPA much better that way(if the difference to the next class of degree is just marginal)

As for those who are of the opinion that the class of degree should not be included, there's only two things that can happen it's either the HR out of his/her own discretion decides to invite you perhaps for the fact your CV looks rich based on some of the contents such as [b]" leadership roles, awards, [/b]professional experience, professional certifications, and other selling points " or He/ she decides to sidelines ur CV and use the fact that u omitted your class of degree as a criteria to downsize the number of applications, that's just it

Now we should also keep in mind that there are numerous factors that could earn you an invite ur class of degree alone doesn't do it all, but there are some HR who looks forwards to your the Awards and Leadership roles section on your CV, while some are more interested in your experience and so on.....

I agree.
But I cannot remember any of my school colleagues winning awards and accolades and leadership ish that didn't make distinction/merit, 1.1 or 2.1. Depending on how the degree course is classified.

Professional certifications for 2.2 & below are usually an afterthought (not exclusively though), to make himself/herself sellable.

Doing certifications alongside degree course takes some good level or organisation, intelligence and discipline.

During undergrad years, certain people were allowed to do PG diploma (not certification but academic) alongside. BUT condition was a high level of performance in the degree over previous three years.

To do certification alongside privately, you will not want to bite more than you can chew.

does it matter...... what matters is if U can defend it.... went for an interview and I notice that some 2.1 guys cant even defend most of their stuff