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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by lastmessenger: 10:22pm On May 09, 2016 |
why do i see things in dreams and they happen exactly like i have seen them? HardMirror: |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by frank317: 10:28pm On May 09, 2016 |
lastmessenger: Ya... my mum was that way too but she didn't see her death coming 5 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by lastmessenger: 11:00pm On May 09, 2016 |
so tell me why frank317: |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by lepasharon(f): 11:08pm On May 09, 2016 |
lastmessenger: How does that prove god exists 2 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Antiparticle(m): 12:09am On May 10, 2016 |
I like your calm & measured comment. But the scenario you painted isn't a "draw" though. What if Zeus is the correct god? What if it is Olórun or Amadiora? What if it is Thor? If this were a simple game of probability, every theist is likely to be worshiping the wrong god hence will end up in another religion's hell. Using this sort of [fear-based] formulation, the theist is playing the exact same game as the atheist; they each have about almost the same probability of going to one god's hell (hundreds of thousands of gods have been worshiped throughout human history). Unfortunately, the average Christian/Muslim is too afraid to do enough research that may lead to information that creates doubt. An intellectually honest person should not be afraid to ask honest questions and go where the research takes him/her. With intellectual courage, an empathetic mind, and a careful observation of the inequalities and randomness in our world, one starts to see patterns that question the notion of an interventionist God. Upon further readings of world history (starting from at least 2,500 years back) and the history of religion, the truth starts to gradually hit one in the face. This is how an intellectually courageous theist ends up becoming atheist. There are good reasons for Nigerian atheists to gradually go public: 1. Religion in Nigeria is used to scam people of their money thru tithes & offering, money that can be used to instead help the poor. 2. Religion leads people to not fully think critically, with the belief that an imaginary "God" plays a large role in one's success. 3. The time invested in prayer and fasting could be directed to real efforts that lead to directly solving problems. 4. Realizing that the Abrahamic "God" is imaginary would create a sense of urgency to be proactive about our lives and society. 5. Our deeply superstitious society has not yet entered the "Age of Reason", and realizing the folly of religion would better legitimize the primacy of analytical and scientific thinking as a superior approach to solving problems. This would lead to a positive trickle effect into our schools, companies, and government. Theism is an anachronism that has exceeded its expiry date. Theistic religion was once useful for humans when we understood little about nature around us; we filled our knowledge gaps by presupposing the existence of supernatural entities to describe the obscure in nature. Now that we have resources to know better, we should throw away the mythology in religion and stop deluding ourselves about the interventionism of a fairy tale man in the sky. shurlar50: 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Antiparticle(m): 12:54am On May 10, 2016 |
Ruq:I am 99.9999999999% certain that the Bible is not god inspired and the Christian god (as asserted in the Bible) is not real. Are you open-minded that a ten-headed elephant with sixteen legs created the universe? I'm guessing the answer is no. In the same way, I am certain that the god of the Bible is a human invention. Ruq:Ok, you think that dissenting speech demands capital punishment. Clap for yourself. Ruq:The skeptic/atheist/etc argument is based on a desire to debunk myths not about a supposed utopian world. Your argument here is a strawman. Ruq:Atheism is neither religion nor philosophy. It is merely the absence of belief. Ruq:The false reality of the Bible has been dangerous to many humans for over one thousand years. It is morally wrong to believe in and/or practice large parts of the Bible or Koran. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade was justified by Pope Innocent because the Old and New Testaments both condoned and encouraged slavery. People (especially women) have been burned alive for millennia because European theists believed they were following the Bible's command on how "witches" or apostates should be treated. You should be thankful that you live in an age where people don't carry out all the commands of the Bible; if you lived in the 1500s, a European Christian would authoritatively claim that it is moral to enslave you because the Bible justifies it! Your write-up wrongly infers that belief is harmless. This is far from the truth. Christian & Islamic belief have been dangerous for most of their existence! Ruq:It is not 50/50. It IS fairytale. Pick up some books and read up on world history over the past 2500 years. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 1:19am On May 10, 2016 |
lepasharon: .......AND IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY FOR THE SERVICES OF A MEDICAL PERSONNEL, YOU DIE! |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 1:29am On May 10, 2016 |
frank317: NO BRO, HE SHOULD STICK TO "WHATEVER HAPPEN, IS MEANT HAVE HAPPENED " CHRISTIANS CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH BRO! 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 1:39am On May 10, 2016 |
francis247: I DON'T. I MEAN, NOT IN ANY ASPECT OF THIS LIFE, HAVE I WITNESSED HIS GLORY! francis247: WELL, HE SHOULD GO FURK HIMSELF! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 1:53am On May 10, 2016 |
femicyrus: I'M DEAD! OGA JESUS AND HIS FATHER MADE THE UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING. AND THEN MADE MAN, GOAT AND RABBIT WITH SOIL. AND MADE EVE FROM ADAMS BONE. YOU DON'T SEE HOW ALL THIS SOUND LIKE A DRUNKARD'S TALE? I CAN'T EVEN UTTER SUCH EVEN IF I'M DRUNK ON PETROL! GO HOME BRO, YOU'RE DRUNK. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 1:59am On May 10, 2016 |
HardMirror: |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by lastmessenger: 6:33am On May 10, 2016 |
i did not say it proved God exist( i believe in God) but i do think it is a pointer that something transcends our existence. i do think that it is a pointer to the spiritual world. i have my dreams coming to pass countless times that i have no choice than to believe there are unseen beings somewhere that can communicate with us.if you have any other explanation to what i experience please do feel free to tell me. lepasharon: |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Ranchhoddas: 8:22am On May 10, 2016 |
GeneralShepherd:I remember this moniker.Long time no see. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Ranchhoddas: 8:24am On May 10, 2016 |
femicyrus:So you seriously googled gwagwa...damn man. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by urahara(m): 8:53am On May 10, 2016 |
SHANTE HALLELIUYAH AH AH . SHANTE HALLA SHANTE HALLA . WHEN U WAKE UP IN D MORNING SUN. GIVE PRAISE TO GWA GWA WHO KEEPS U ALIVE. [color=#006600][/color] 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by GeneralShepherd(m): 9:08am On May 10, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: I've been around NL...I've not just been interested in religious debates. Howdy |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by kevoh(m): 9:15am On May 10, 2016 |
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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Ranchhoddas: 9:26am On May 10, 2016 |
GeneralShepherd: 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by drestoneokuta(m): 9:43am On May 10, 2016 |
Who is this who makes the purpose of God dark by words without knowledge? If you, yes YOU!!! can give me an answer to any of these questions (choose anyone) then I will acknowledge you and proclaim your belief to all the earth. Job: 38. 4. Where were you when I put the earth on its base? Say, if you have knowledge. 5. By whom were its measures fixed? Say, if you have wisdom; or by whom was the line stretched out over it? 6. On what were its pillars based, or who put down its angle-stone, 7. When the morning stars made songs together, and all the sons of the gods gave cries of joy? 8. Or where were you when the sea came to birth, pushing out from its secret place; 9. When I made the cloud its robe, and put thick clouds as bands round it, 10. Ordering a fixed limit for it, with locks and doors; 11. And said, So far you may come, and no farther; and here the pride of your waves will be stopped? 12. Have you, from your earliest days, given orders to the morning, or made the dawn conscious of its place; 13. So that it might take a grip of the skirts of the earth, shaking all the evil-doers out of it? 14. It is changed like wet earth under a stamp, and is coloured like a robe; 15. And from the evil-doers their light is kept back, and the arm of pride is broken. 16. Have you come into the springs of the sea, walking in the secret places of the deep? 17. Have the doors of death been open to you, or have the door-keepers of the dark ever seen you? 18. Have you taken note of the wide limits of the earth? SAY, IF YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF IT ALL. 19. Which is the way to the resting-place of the light, and where is the store-house of the dark; 20. So that you might take it to its limit, guiding it to its house? 21. No doubt you have knowledge of it, for then you had come to birth, and the number of your days is great. Job: 40. 8. Will you even make my right of no value? will you say that I am wrong in order to make clear that you are right? 9. Have you an arm like God? have you a voice of thunder like his? Job: 40. 10. Put on the ornaments of your pride; be clothed with glory and power: 11. Let your wrath be overflowing; let your eyes see all the sons of pride, and make them low. 12. Send destruction on all who are lifted up, pulling down the sinners from their places. 13. Let them be covered together in the dust; let their faces be dark in the secret place of the underworld. 14. THEN I WILL GIVE PRAISE TO YOU, SAYING THAT YOUR RIGHT HAND IS ABLE TO GIVE YOU SALVATION . |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by urahara(m): 9:46am On May 10, 2016 |
drestoneokuta: Oga ..... 4 Likes
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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by drestoneokuta(m): 10:51am On May 10, 2016 |
And as for you "hardmirror" I was taking you serious until when I got to page 6 part 1 were u made this statement "" Most of the christians you see here online are worse than unbelievers. How many souls have they won around them, but they come online to defend god. Most are just cosmetic christians still fornicating and living in sin. I have not met a christian that is passionate about saving souls that is not worried about God's incompetency because you would have had so many touching encounters and realize god is actually doing nothing for humanity, but we humans are the ones running around for god (that does not even exists) "" What caught my attention here is that u think God is "incompetent". Satan was the originator of that idea.... Calling God incompetent and unjust so therefore he said this Isaiah: 14. 13. For you said in your heart, I will go up to heaven, I will make my seat higher than the stars of God; I will take my place on the mountain of the meeting-place of the gods, in the inmost parts of the north. 14. I will go higher than the clouds; I will be like the Most High. Sold the idea to one third of the angels promising them is government will be better.. So the great rebellion began... You conceiving that same idea shows u are exhibiting thesame trait as ur "father". So now I know who u stand for. U boost of reading the Bible yet u are ignorant of the things of the spirit. God wants us to ask questions, he is willing and able to reveal all to us, surprisingly the answers are in the Bible. One particular question u asked was y can't God do things for humanity, end the suffering of people instead of doing nothing.. I want to ask u this simple questions since u pride urself in reading the Bible Who did God give dominion of the earth to? Who has that dominion now? Hint ask ur father. 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Anjelus(m): 12:06pm On May 10, 2016 |
urahara:The Church is marching on and a million gate of hell, will never prevail....... do the needful now and surrender your life to God or join your leader, satan in Hell..... I sincerely pray that you do the former. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 12:19pm On May 10, 2016 |
https://www.nairaland.com/3096665/should-pay-tithe-pay-brothers/6#45487914 THIS TOPIC JUST MADE FP.... ..WHO'S BEEN ON IT? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by efismikoko(m): 2:11pm On May 10, 2016 |
Wow a lot of freethinkers coming up in nigeria am very happy I have been thinking about this god think since I was, I think 6 I use to ask my self "who born god" that was my major issue but still I served him with all my heart even when I tried committing suicide and the rope cut twice I thought it was God that saved me but when I started looking deep and thinking deep with a lot of reading especially science related I found my answer THERE IS NO GOD Big thanks to johnydon22 and sure guy hardmirror And hard mirror I had a deeper relationship with God than you in the past kai funny how I was fooling my self. Now I live a better life fearless of anyone, speak my mind at all times not scared of someone telling me of jazzing me and fucking my life up Well am still a Christian atheist for those that want to understand it google is your best friend 5 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by francis247(m): 2:18pm On May 10, 2016 |
To the Atheists, would you care to explain the reason behind the spiritual events and experiences as narrated by some persons in this thread? https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 3:15pm On May 10, 2016 |
To them atheists please clear me out...
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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by MizyB(f): 3:48pm On May 10, 2016 |
PastorAIO:Sir, what are you really? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by cloudgoddess(f): 5:03pm On May 10, 2016 |
francis247:Simple. Human brains are prone to delusions and hallucinations. There has been much research done on this topic within the fields of Psychology and Neuroscience. People can hallucinate without having consumed drugs; our senses can play tricks on us in both subtle and serious ways. And believing that something is real (especially when that "something" is supernatural with a lot of emotional connection associated with it) can "make" that thing feel and seem very real in our minds. Belief in itself is enough to alter people's perceptions -- the way we interpret our various experiences or hallucinations is molded by what we already think to be true. Atheists don't think all theists are lying when they say they've seen spirits, satan, god, etc. We just know they're victims of the fallible and easily tricked human brain. 3 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by lepasharon(f): 5:41pm On May 10, 2016 |
joshysmartie: Man didn't evolve from monkeys 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by francis247(m): 6:37pm On May 10, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:Lol @ bolded. I'm not referring to those who see ghosts, demons, etc. I'm referring to those who see events moments before they happen, and it happens just as they saw them. Did you read this [b] as a grown guy i used to tell my mom my childhood events and things i remember but she swears that somebody must have told me cos those events happened when i was just months old, but then only her was the only witness of those events and she never told me of them. I also see things before they happen, trouble is i don't remember them until they start happening. i remember an event of a fight between neighbors. they started off with a quarrel and immediately i remembered i have seen it happen before. i told the my friend Ifeanyi sitting beside me that the other lady will slap the other woman now and just as i finished saying that the lady landed the slap. i narrated the whole scene like one would narrate a seen movie to a friend that is watching for the first time. another thing is as a boy, whenever my mom travels to north to buy goods, my nights will always be restless cos in my dreams i will be watching their bus all night long till day break. it more like a bird eyeview following the bus as it travels. when mom comes back i will narrate their journeys and events. many times she will be spooked. [/b] I also do have similar experience as this, though rarely and not this detailed. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 7:02pm On May 10, 2016 |
lepasharon: We yet to discover origin |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 8:15pm On May 10, 2016 |
francis247: I think it's called Dejavu happens once in a while. But if the person is seeing it too often, he needs to see a doctor. Could be early symptoms of nervous ailment like epilepsy. You can research more on this |
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