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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by SpeedndAccuracy(m): 12:47am On Oct 08, 2016 |
The truth is is Christianity (God, Christ, the gospel) is one of the many grounds in this mysterious world...regardless of what my Christian brothers and sisters feel. The deeper truth however is that of the many grounds, Christ is the only solid ground... It's a rock, all others (no matter how sweet and appealing) are sinking sands... I don't have any right to judge anyone... This is only my belief, my hope. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Boss13: 11:15pm On Nov 21, 2016 |
wirinet: Africa is not a jungle and never was a jungle stop spreading the white man lies |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Boss13: 11:18pm On Nov 21, 2016 |
HardMirror: They were imported from Lagos 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Boss13: 11:26pm On Nov 21, 2016 |
Anjelus: Please I keep hearing this story - the woman with the issue of blood - what issue of blood? Was it menstral blood? If it was not menstral blood, then it has to be some bleeding somewhere. I think Christians need to start questioning some things in the Bible, if it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by assurancefemi: 7:21am On Nov 22, 2016 |
I don't believe you believe there is no God, how did the whole universe come to being? Maybe these religions don't depict the right way to serve Him? This world is beyond the physical, there is a spirit in your body and I believe God is a spirit also. Only a fool will doubt the existence of a Supreme Being, someone has to be in charge. I believe the best way to serve this Supreme Being is to lead a Good life, care about the poor, we can all differentiate from the right and wrong, good and bad. Believing nobody created the world we're living in is just a way to free yourself from some sort of burden, being a slave to some religious doctrines, being free, a slave always wants to be free from a Master. Everybody loves Freedom. Not believing in God is just a way to feel free. Then what is the essence of live without believing in something. Going on your daily activities without any purpose, just feeling there is no world after this. Nobody has the answer to all these mysterious questions, I don't. You've to believe in something, don't try and be the boss here. If You can't create any living thing, then you've to believe Something, Someone created you. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by creepsyme(f): 8:55am On Nov 22, 2016 |
HardMirror:I read ur stroy carefully from start to end, it is obvious you have a lineage of ancestral covenant never to serve God and you attempted to break the covenant, wat u need is delieverance. some of us have decided to believe and serve God not because of wat we want from him, weda he answers prayers or not but because we have a witness in our spirit that there is a superior being above all human who controls the affairs of mortals,talking abt heaven and hell, it is safer to believe they both exist and be on d safe side on the last day, if eventually heaven does not exist nothing spoil. Remain blessed! |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AgentOfAllah: 11:55am On Nov 22, 2016 |
Apart from the fact that this is well written and delivered in digestible nuggets, what I appreciate the most about this story is that HardMirror meticulously sketches an elaborate picture of his background, effectively diminishing the potency of the go-to platitude that religionists usually invoke to dismiss people who have renounced faith: "you were never really a true believer". As an atheist, I know that being this meticulous about my religious background, no matter how strong, is actually very difficult. Well done! This definitely counts as one of my all time Nairaland favourites. 3 Likes |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by thonyrule(m): 12:07pm On Nov 22, 2016 |
HardMirror:can't find the continuation of your story... |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by chrmn1: 5:08pm On Nov 22, 2016 |
HardMirror:Phewww! Image123 pissing on their chips yet again. They were having a field day until Image showed up on the scene. @Image: take a bow, son! Like a 1 man army you put them all where they belong Basically, atheists discredit the existence of God because of some perceived fault they see in Him e.g. why did He not heal Shola, why does He allow people suffer, etc Truth is God will not interfere in our sphere unless we give Him permission to do so. He is such a principled one. That is actually the definition of prayer, asking God or intervene in our affairs. This is why God is so particular about the church growing up to maturity because it's only through us He can express Himself to the world but we (the church today) have been very selfish, carnal etc and that limits the extent to which His desires can be fulfilled on earth. I'm sure you have not forgotten this line in our Lord's prayer: let Your will be done on earth the same way it's being carried out in heaven. Usually when people change their ways suddenly and begin to serve God, more often than not there was at least somebody praying fervently for them behind the scenes. This is the effect of continued and fervent praying. The bible says it makes supernatural power available in our sphere If you blame the church for the way the world is today I would listen to you but you use the 'God is at fault' line to embolden yourself in atheism, wrongly I know you guys were having a nice time before Image popped in and started giving some headaches And I'll tell you what. Even if God healed that boy today, the atheist would explain it away because he has decided to live independent of God because of his selfish desires. Remember the bible story were the rich man asked God to send prophets Moses and Elijah (iirc) to warn his family members on earth and God declined saying, even if an angel came on the scene, they would find a way to disbelieve. So in essence, you are asking for a proof to look for loopholes not because you are open to believing as there have been many incidences of supernatural healings all over the world these many centuries. Look at those and take a cue rather than focus on your half baked 'word of knowledge' experience as basis of truth and/or untruth Do have a great evening 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by skeendyke: 6:46pm On Nov 22, 2016 |
HardMirror reminds me of Demas in the Bible who after having ministered the Gospel to people disqualified himself by going back to his worldly ways. HardMirror, do you think the devil will ever forgive you for the harm you have caused him in the past? Jeez, this world is not a playground as some blind folks ignorantly think it is; it is a battleground. Worse, our enemy works against us unseen but we are not ignorant of his devices. Retrace your steps to Jesus Christ. You don't need anyone to preach to you. Retrace your steps to Jesus Christ while there is still time but if you have made up your mind to insist on your folly of walking in your wisdom and ways that seem right to you, then, by all means, carry on.
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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Charlesdock(m): 6:17am On Nov 23, 2016 |
The greatest delusion in this life is that there is nothing like a supreme God. How can there be a creature without a creator. I won't deviate into religion but explain things with my free mind. Note a freethinker is would purposely not be an atheist or an agnotic. Back to what I was typing earlier. Can a car spring up from nothing? Did Nairaland just appear from nowhere? If you don't believe in the christian god, believe a God exist, you don't just know what or who that God is. 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 7:54am On Nov 23, 2016 |
Charlesdock:Good one there I like what you are saying here. But then it does not validate the God of the bible or muslims or hindus, or greeks or romans or africans, God could be anything |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by JesusPowers: 9:00am On Nov 23, 2016 |
HardMirror:I wonder how those demons you liberated from human possession using the name of Jesus The Christ would feel about you right now? Perhaps, a welcome party for a job well done? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by ngolokante(m): 10:15am On Nov 23, 2016 |
HardMirror: But unlike Christianity and other religions, you wouldn't find a Muslim pointing at something as what God is...Its just the believe that all these...I mean everything around us didn't just come into existence by some freak accident...I mean if you believe the engine of a car was made by an individual, so how did the human respiratory system, digestive and respiratory system come into being? Infact in Islam, its not even permissible for you to have a mindset or an imagination as to what God is because inadvertently, you will be worshiping your imagination |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AgentOfAllah: 10:30am On Nov 23, 2016 |
Charlesdock:I think you've jumbled too many unrelated concepts, therefore fallen inexorably into the same abyss religions have been stuck in for centuries. I'll try to break down your fallacies so you can modify your "free" thoughts to more accurately represent facts. 1) What, in your mind, is the definition of a supreme god, and why is it a delusion to disbelieve in its existence? 2) You asked how there can be a creature without a creator. This question has a big problem: Claiming that the existence of "creatures" explains the existence of a "creator" is about as strong an argument as claiming that the spleen is the part of the body from where anger originates. Your question seem to have sprung from a poor understanding of the word "creature". That word is an unfortunate contraption that carries the burden of an a priori acceptance that the the deliberateness in animal behaviour points to delibrateness in the existence of animals, but the presumed link has never been demonstrated. To therefore, use it as the basis for the claim that a creator exists is to commit the logical fallacy known as "circular reasoning". That word is just a stubbornly persistent synonym for animals, so one might as well rephrase your question as follows: "How can there be animals without a creator?" And I believe the theory of evolution has adequately addressed it. Does this mean the theory of evolution is accurate? No, but it means there is another possible way for animals to exist without a creator. 3) I assume the reason you believe a car or nairaland didn't just spring into existence is because of their intricate complexities. Your position seems to be that since such intricately complex entities necessitate a creator/creators, how much more then, natural phenomena with their seemingly complex structures? But if you wish to make an argument from complexity, one may then point out that the creator, if it were purposeful, is itself, complex; therefore necessitating its own creator ad infinitum. 4) You conclude that one should believe in "a god", but have not stated why the idea of god precludes many of them? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by damogul: 10:40am On Nov 23, 2016 |
HardMirror: This is my only question as this would make or break your case. You mentioned that a particular brother in the fellowship died from complications that came from fasting...A nairalander who also finished in 2010 from your school asked for the persons name since he did not hear of such a case and you did not respond. NOW I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE BROTHER WHO DIED VIA FASTING RELATED ISSUES? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN CONFIRM THIS. If you cannot provide this name and we affirm it happened then we have our conclusion. cc HardMirror, hopefullandlord |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Ikennablue(m): 11:23am On Nov 23, 2016 |
HardMirror:Hello HardMirror, I may not be as learned as you are. But I think there's something you don't understand here. I personally believe that the nature of God is such that you can never understand him. Please patiently read and take your time to ponder upon what am about to say. Remember the children of Israel in Egypt, God had promised them, Moses came up and ran into the forest FOR FORTY YEARS!, think about it, forty years is really a long time, those Israelite in Egypt must have been praying, hoping, suffering and dying, probably giving up on God, doubting his power, think about it. Unknowingly, God is preparing somebody for them. Remember Moses spent 40 years in the palace and another 40 in the wilderness. My brother, imagine yourself in the shoes of those Israelite, you would have cursed God for lying. Think about Joseph also. God said that he is going to be great. But what happened?? He was thrown into a pit, sold, being great in potipher's house must have given him hope but he was thrown into prison. Jesus said that of all men born in this world, there is none greater than John the Baptist, but think about it, John didn't understand Jesus christ, infact he had to send his Disciples to go and confirm if he is Christ or if they should expect another person. Jesus didn't give him a straight answer and he died in that condition. Think about Job! If I should judge, why should his children all die?? The thing is, I HAVE DECIDED To FOLLOW A GOD I DO NOT UNDERSTAND 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Charlesdock(m): 4:23pm On Nov 23, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:Hardmirror has answered the question. When I was young, I always imagine the supreme God has the invisible force that create and binds the Universe as one entity. I don't want to argue based on what someone believes in but that point that there is no creator is what I don't agree upon. Am a christian because I choose to be one. Hardmirror is entitle to his ideas so am I. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Charlesdock(m): 4:28pm On Nov 23, 2016 |
HardMirror:It could be anything you think it is. Though I was a christian, I later became an agnotic but further on I became a christian. Your ideas aren't new to me, am still a small boy oo One day you will discover who is the true God. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AgentOfAllah: 6:21pm On Nov 23, 2016 |
Charlesdock: So do you acknowledge that there could be more than one force that created and binds the universe? If so, does this not contradict the idea of a "Supreme creator"? 1 Like |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Charlesdock(m): 10:51pm On Nov 23, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:I don't believe |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AgentOfAllah: 11:13pm On Nov 23, 2016 |
Charlesdock: I never asked if you believe. I asked if you acknowledge that possibility. My question is important since you feel it compulsory to accept the existence of some "supreme creator" as fact. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Charlesdock(m): 12:48pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:I don't acknowledge the possibility that the creator could be more than one. |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AgentOfAllah: 2:42pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
Charlesdock: So may I ask why? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Charlesdock(m): 4:33pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:Because that is the truth. C'est fini |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AgentOfAllah: 7:28am On Nov 25, 2016 |
Charlesdock:How is that the truth? I mean, is there anything that asserts this truth, aside from an arbitrarily imposed assumption? |
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Seun(m): 9:33pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
I think it is very wrong for HardMirror to have continued his story on a different thread instead of sticking with the original thread. Please return to the original thread: https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian |
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