Empiree:
You are yet to give your thought about who God is. Can you share yours? . Merely ranting isn't going to help you. Let me help you. 50% christians say Jesus is God. Another 50% say Jesus is not God. Which one should we believe?. Any idea?

hey! my friend , I'm a different specie of Christians you may have been used to...

I don't engage in argument unless except I want to.

before then answer my question and stop trying to play hide n seek . u shud be smarter than that

ebenice:
hey! my friend , I'm a different specie of Christians you may have been used to...

I don't engage in argument unless except I want to.

before then answer my question and stop trying to play hide n seek . u shud be smarter than that

I'm sorry, this is YES or NO answer. It's nothing to argue about.

Let me give you example. If you ask any muslim "is Jesus God?". Their reply will be 'NO'. You see there is no argument here.

Now your turn, is Jesus God?.

And I don't recall you asked me question

WORDWORLD:


Curious to know your other reasons for your suggestion apart from showing NL What true debate should look. Mind you its no DEBATE its an ENLIGHTENMENT.

1. The 'enlightenment' is derailing this trend.
2. 9jacrip made some statements which I would have asked him to clarify or give references.
3. I am a Muslim and Yoruba. I also hold some belief that esu is not Satan. Therefore, your discussion interests me.

WORDWORLD:
@ 9jacrip

Just finished checking your profile and then my TRUIST alarms rang in my head Beep! Beep!! Beep!!! 9jacrip seems to be an AFRICAN CULTURALIST no wonder.

Well Am a HARDCORE TRUIST. You may never find the word in the diction. My defination of a TRUIST is no more than a keen LOVER OF TRUTH that can be subjected to a falsification test.

So let me assure you that as long as your sayings are TRUE, i will always surrender to them there is no reason to be ARROGANT. Just be ready to PROVE and remember EXPLANATION is not the same as PROOF.

Once again have a great day.

I'm always ready to explain my points, provide proofs where possible and use logic where necessary; so we do not have problems there.

Also, the matter of TRUIST/TRUTHis very relative and subjective. It all depends on world view and angle from which truth is based.

What is true could run at parralels. Example below:

For us who are awed my natural phenomena beyond human replication around us believe or think it true that a mighty being creates everything. ------> this is true/truth for some of us and can be subjected to falsification tests.

For another group, there's a scientific explanation of how the Sun, Moon and the rest came into being - Big Bang; how earth went from having organisms, to plants, to animals then to human all co existing. ------> this is the truth for some and can be subjected to verifiable & eye-seeing falsification tests.

Judaism: it is true a Messiah is coming but he's not Jesus. Truth for the Jews.

Christianity; it is true a Messiah is coming and he's Jesus. Truth for the Christains.

Islam: there's no messiah anywhere and nobody died or can die for other's sins. (ii) Mahdi son of Muhammed is the Messah (iii) Mizra Ghluam Ahmad, founder of Ahmmadiya claimed to be messiah. Truth for muslims

--- Adam & Eve were created as the first humans in Eden, Middle East/Mesopotamia. Truth for Abrahamic beliefs

--- scientific discoveries have found the earliest men of millions of years back in East Africa, Southern Africa and West Africa. Truth & eye verifiable truth for pragmatists.

So sir, matter of truth & falsification depends on how we let our brains be wired and not wanting to absorb anything else.

ypeace:

1. The 'enlightenment' is derailing this trend.
2. 9jacrip made some statements which I would have asked him to clarify or give references.
3. I am a Muslim and Yoruba. I also hold some belief that esu is not Satan. Therefore, your discussion interests me.

1. Sorry to derail the thread, I was compelled to comment when I saw 'Herbalist' and 'Satan' in the same sentence. E ma binu.

2. What statements are those if I may ask?

3. Since you hold some belief Esu is not Satan then to whom do you hold brief - Shaitan? Do you realize if you remained as you were born (Yoruba) w/out adopting Islam you would not join Arabs in their war against Shaitan? Rather, you would live knowing the creator did not create anything that equals or attempted to equal him and the battle would be within yourself to either do/be good or bad.

9jacrip:


1. Sorry to derail the thread, I was compelled to comment when I saw 'Herbalist' and 'Satan' in the same sentence. E ma binu.

2. What statements are those if I may ask?

3. Since you hold some belief Esu is not Satan then to whom do you hold brief - Shaitan? Do you realize if you remained as you were born (Yoruba) w/out adopting Islam you would not join Arabs in their war against Shaitan? Rather, you would live knowing the creator did not create anything that equals or attempted to equal him and the battle would be within yourself to either do/be good or bad.

1.Mi o binu.

2. This statement:

........................................

Religion does not come alone, it comes with the culture entirely. This is why no one has been able to adopt s religion without drowning in the culture of thst religion - language, dressing, music/singing, family & way of life entirely.

Nobody adOpts Christianity & remains thorough Yoruba; philosophies of Yoruba & Christianity will clash and cause problems. Hence, Christians live & think like Europeans.

Nobody adopts Islam & remains Yoruba; cultures will clash. Muslims live & think like Arabs.

....................................................


Islam clearly understand that culture will clash. Islam therefore distinguished between AN ACT OF WORSHIP AND CULTURE.

In Islam, all acts of worship is rejected except the one approved by Islam. All cultures (food, music,clothing) are accepted except the one disapproved by Islam. I think you neglected this fact in that it will be in the best interest of Yoruba to adopt a particular element in non Yoruba cultures which is superior to theirs. It is also in the interest of Yoruba to discard irrelevant cultures.

9jacrip:


3. Since you hold some belief Esu is not Satan then to whom do you hold brief - Shaitan? Do you realize if you remained as you were born (Yoruba) w/out adopting Islam you would not join Arabs in their war against Shaitan? Rather, you would live knowing the creator did not create anything that equals or attempted to equal him and the battle would be within yourself to either do/be good or bad.

Give an example of war Muslim waged against Satan.

I don't think my belief includes the belief that God created a being equal or trying to equal him. Can you quote a Qur'anic verse supporting this claim?

ypeace:


Give an example of war Muslim waged against Satan.

I don't think my belief includes the belief that God created a being equal or trying to equal him. Can you quote a Qur'anic verse supporting this claim?

Alright.

I'm not a muslim.

...but, isn't it in the quran also that Satan was Allah's creation and angel who decided to equal Allah but was defeated and casted to earth and rocing around to get people to perish with him?

Logic: you created something you could not control or kill then defided to cast it out.

ypeace:


1.Mi o binu.

2. This statement:

........................................

Religion does not come alone, it comes with the culture entirely. This is why no one has been able to adopt s religion without drowning in the culture of thst religion - language, dressing, music/singing, family & way of life entirely.

Nobody adOpts Christianity & remains thorough Yoruba; philosophies of Yoruba & Christianity will clash and cause problems. Hence, Christians live & think like Europeans.

Nobody adopts Islam & remains Yoruba; cultures will clash. Muslims live & think like Arabs.

....................................................


Islam clearly understand that culture will clash. Islam therefore distinguished between AN ACT OF WORSHIP AND CULTURE.

In Islam, all acts of worship is rejected except the one approved by Islam. All cultures (food, music,clothing) are accepted except the one disapproved by Islam. I think you neglected this fact in that it will be in the best interest of Yoruba to adopt a particular element in non Yoruba cultures which is [size=15pt]superior[/size] to theirs. It is also in the interest of Yoruba to discard irrelevant cultures.

You just lost me with the emboldened.

You actually think Arab's belief system is superior to that of your own forefathers? Wow!

And you belief the ways of the forefathers who were able to follow a system that sustained every Yoruba before Arab & European is irrelevant?

No surprises there bro, it is normal when foreign stuff are adopted.

There's no way you can adopt a religion and retain your culture, never. You woul be at conflict with your own culture through and through.

Food is an almost irrelevant example but riddle me this, if your ancestry were Ogun adherents would you partcipate in Ogun worship and eat dogs?

If, say, the Odu Ifa that founded & sustains your ancestry required offering pigs to Ifa at intervals and eating it, would you?

Apart from general Yoruba culture, each family compound has its. So those are possible examples of food.

I honestly got lost for words and find it difficult to put my thoughts together when I saw 'superior' and 'irrelevant' in reference to Yoruba in your posts; I became heart broken and discombobulated.

All I can say is 'wow'.

9jacrip:


I'm always ready to explain my points, provide proofs where possible and use logic where necessary; so we do not have problems there.

Also, the matter of TRUIST/TRUTHis very relative and subjective. It all depends on world view and angle from which truth is based.

What is true could run at parralels. Example below:

For us who are awed my natural phenomena beyond human replication around us believe or think it true that a mighty being creates everything. ------> this is true/truth for some of us and can be subjected to falsification tests.

For another group, there's a scientific explanation of how the Sun, Moon and the rest came into being - Big Bang; how earth went from having organisms, to plants, to animals then to human all co existing. ------> this is the truth for some and can be subjected to verifiable & eye-seeing falsification tests.

Judaism: it is true a Messiah is coming but he's not Jesus. Truth for the Jews.

Christianity; it is true a Messiah is coming and he's Jesus. Truth for the Christains.

Islam: there's no messiah anywhere and nobody died or can die for other's sins. (ii) Mahdi son of Muhammed is the Messah (iii) Mizra Ghluam Ahmad, founder of Ahmmadiya claimed to be messiah. Truth for muslims

--- Adam & Eve were created as the first humans in Eden, Middle East/Mesopotamia. Truth for Abrahamic beliefs

--- scientific discoveries have found the earliest men of millions of years back in East Africa, Southern Africa and West Africa. Truth & eye verifiable truth for pragmatists.

So sir, matter of truth & falsification depends on how we let our brains be wired and not wanting to absorb anything else.

If it is SUBJECTIVE then its not TRUTH but FACT. Kindly understand the difference.

It was believed centuries ago that the world is FLAT even using common sense, as in observing our world we will say its flat but does that make it TRUE? With our eyes it tells us that its all FLAT land but in TRUTH it is spherical, has been spherical will remain spherical. That is the nature of TRUTH doesnt change nor is it subjective because it can be proofed.


A Truism is a statement that is at all not SUBJECTIVE nor DISPUTABLE. It is what it is the TRUTH. All the above examples you have made are opinions hence subjective unless its the TRUTH.

Get the difference TRUTH is not subjective but FACT is and changes time to time. The nature of TRUTH is that it never changes.

It is not about how our brian is wired but how SINCERE our heart and the willingness to accepting the TRUTH even when if it falsify that which we have absorbed by indoctrination after being presented with proof. Thats what falsification test is all about.

Open the doors of your mind and its windows dont be closed up so already.

Thank you.

Dudes, take your rumble come here. Defend your statement.

miketayo:


Jesus is God bro.. the last time i checked he rose from d dead

damyzino:



jesus ain't God bro :-/ .....last time i check ,jesus himself died

Another set of confusionists

9jacrip:


Alright.

I'm not a muslim.

...but, isn't it in the quran also that Satan was Allah's creation and angel who decided to equal Allah but was defeated and casted to earth and rocing around to get people to perish with him?

Logic: you created something you could not control or kill then defided to cast it out.

where?@ bolded

9jacrip:


Alright.

I'm not a muslim.

...but, isn't it in the quran also that Satan was Allah's creation and angel who decided to equal Allah but was defeated and casted to earth and rocing around to get people to perish with him?

Logic: you created something you could not control or kill then defided to cast it out.

Now i get you. You know not much about the TRUTH of Islam. It seems to be that your knowledge is based on hearsay and not meticulous study of Islam as a SUBJECT for enquiry. Never the less inorder to satisfy YPEACE and any one who cares about learning and growing in heart and mind. I find time to state my TRIUSMS.

9jacrip:


Judaism: it is true a Messiah is coming but he's not Jesus. Truth for the Jews.

Christianity; it is true a Messiah is coming and he's Jesus. Truth for the Christains.

[slam: there's no messiah anywhere and nobody died or can die for other's sins.

(ii) Mahdi son of Muhammed is the Messah

(iii) Mizra Ghluam Ahmad, founder of Ahmmadiya claimed to be messiah. Truth for muslims

Hold up right there buddy. I eschewed before bcus I'm not really concerned what you've been posting. But this one I gotta come in. Jesus is MESSIAH according to Qur'an. Yes, you right. ..no one died for anyone's sins in Islam.


"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary; the messanger of Allah and His Word..." {3 vs 40}

See also Sura Nisa 169. All talk about Jesus, the messiah



Your point #2, where is your proof that Mahdi is 'son' of Muhammad?.


Your point #3, no Mirza Gullam Ahmad is fraud. Muslims do not recognize him. He claimed that for himself but that's not what islamic sources claimed. So Mirza is FALSE.

HIS IDEOLOGY IS NOT FROM QUR'AN NOT EVEN FROM HADITH. SO DON'T ATTRIBUTE HIS TRASH WITH MUSLIMS. ONLY GULLIBLE BELIEVE HIM. SO IT'S NOT TRUTH FOR MUSLIMS.

WORDWORLD:


If it is SUBJECTIVE then its not TRUTH but FACT. Kindly understand the difference.

It was believed centuries ago that the world is FLAT even using common sense, as in observing our world we will say its flat but does that make it TRUE? With our eyes it tells us that its all FLAT land but in TRUTH it is spherical, has been spherical will remain spherical. That is the nature of TRUTH does change nor is it subjective because it can be proofed.


.

and who were the people who thought the earth was flat? the same people who brought their god to you to worship claiming they knew truth. even quran claims the sun sets in a pond every evening

I'm glad Yoruba traditions never claim the earth is flat. ..rather we have it that the earth is spherical, using calabash to symbolize this. ..there's also the saying that the earth is like the moon

I don't understand how anybody will say yoruba traditional knowledge is irrelevant. ..and begin to take Arab nonsense seriously

Empiree:
Hold up right there buddy. I eschewed before bcus I'm not really concerned what you've been posting. But this one I gotta come in. Jesus is MESSIAH according to Qur'an. Yes, you right. ..no one died for anyone's sins in Islam.


"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary; the messanger of Allah and His Word..." {3 vs 40

See also Sura Nisa 169. All talk about Jesus, the messiah



Your point #2, where is your proof that Mahdi is 'son' of Muhammad?.


Your point #3, no Mirza Gullam Ahmad is fraud. Muslims do not recognize him. He claimed that for himself but that's not what islamic sour cessation claimed. So Mirza is FALSE.

HIS IDEOLOGY IS NOT FROM QUR'AN NOT EVEN FROM HADITH. SO DON'T ATTRIBUTE HIS TRASH WITH MUSLIMS. ONLY GULLIBLE BELIEVE HIM. SO IT'S NOT TRUTH FOR MUSLIMS.

Seems a novice that just wants to contribute. Its always good to be SURE of what one is telling the world and thats why i choose TRUTH as the language i speak because i can always get a reply such as WHERE IS YOUR PROOF.

The guy as he as said, "A WIRED BRAIN" . The irony of our world. WE ARE ALL SUPPOSE TO BE SEEKING FOR TRUTH AND NOT CONJECTURE. All that he has stated are conjectures can never pass a falsification test.

Empiree:
Dudes, take your rumble come here. Defend your statement.




Another set of confusionists

Abeg where did you find these clowns?

Empiree:
Hold up right there buddy. I eschewed before bcus I'm not really concerned what you've been posting. But this one I gotta come in. Jesus is MESSIAH according to Qur'an. Yes, you right. ..no one died for anyone's sins in Islam.


"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary; the messanger of Allah and His Word..." {3 vs 40

See also Sura Nisa 169. All talk about Jesus, the messiah



Your point #2, where is your proof that Mahdi is 'son' of Muhammad?.




Your point #3, no Mirza Gullam Ahmad is fraud. Muslims do not recognize him. He claimed that for himself but that's not what islamic sour cessation claimed. So Mirza is FALSE.

HIS IDEOLOGY IS NOT FROM QUR'AN NOT EVEN FROM HADITH. SO DON'T ATTRIBUTE HIS TRASH WITH MUSLIMS. ONLY GULLIBLE BELIEVE HIM. SO IT'S NOT TRUTH FOR MUSLIMS.

1. You must not know the meaning of the term 'Messiah'.

If he didn't die for anybody then how is he the 'Messiah'; a 'Messiah' is a saviour of people. Christians say the way he is a Messiah is by dying on the cross and shedding blood to wash away their 'sins'.

I would like for you to broaden my mind on how Islam sees his Messiahnic status and how he is a Messiah if he didn't die to save. How did he save?

2. I only posted the various Islamic branches on views of 'Messiah'. Do some people in Islam not believe Madhi is the Messiah?

3. Again, it is another branch of Messianic view in Islam. The Ahmmadiiyya group.


Maybe you disagree with the number 3 but he does have a followership that still exists till today, either you believe it or not is for you to battle with sir. I've only posted how relative the matter of 'truth' can be. For the Ahmmadiyya it is the truth but for you it is not.

macof:


and who were the people who thought the earth was flat? the same people who brought their god to you to worship claiming they knew truth. even quran claims the sun sets in a pond every evening

I'm glad Yoruba traditions never claim the earth is flat. ..rather we have it that the earth is spherical, using calabash to symbolize this. ..there's also the saying that the earth is like the moon

I don't understand how anybody will say yoruba traditional knowledge is irrelevant. ..and begin to take Arab nonsense seriously

Here is the problem. PRIDE IN TRIBE...........doesnt avail TRUTH........."i dont understand how anybody will say yoruba tradition is irrelevant..and begin to take Arab nonsense"

We are talking ISLAM and not ARAB. Kindly understand the difference. And dont be so full of pride about what you did chose for yourself such as TRIBE. Did you chose to be Yoruba right from heaven. When it comes to GENUINE FAITH, its all about Choice based on CONVICTION and COMFIRMATION. Should never be based on birth, but on knowledge.

WORDWORLD:


Seems a novice that just wants to contribute. Its always good to be SURE of what one is telling the world and thats why i choose TRUTH as the language i speak because i can always get a reply such as WHERE IS YOUR PROOF.

The guy as he as said, "A WIRED BRAIN" . The irony of our world. WE ARE ALL SUPPOSE TO BE SEEKING FOR TRUTH AND NOT CONJECTURE. All that he has stated are conjectures can never pass a falsification test.

Sir, I cannot tell you what to do butyou should have quoted me or at least gave me a mention.

Maybe you're an authority in Islam but the 3 schools of thought I posted have been in existence from earlier centuries and people in Islam believe in them. Either it is TRUTH or not is for you to ponder on.

I am not interested in picking which is truth but to let you know what is true/truth may not be the truth/true for the other side.

You may dismiss those items listed are conjectures but a simple google search would show you they are thoughts of Muslims like yourself.

9jacrip:



You just lost me with the emboldened.

You actually think Arab's belief system is superior to that of your own forefathers? Wow!

And you belief the ways of the forefathers who were able to follow a system that sustained every Yoruba before Arab & European is irrelevant?

No surprises there bro, it is normal when foreign stuff are adopted.

There's no way you can adopt a religion and retain your culture, never. You woul be at conflict with your own culture through and through.

Food is an almost irrelevant example but riddle me this, if your ancestry were Ogun adherents would you partcipate in Ogun worship and eat dogs?

If, say, the Odu Ifa that founded & sustains your ancestry required offering pigs to Ifa at intervals and eating it, would you?

Apart from general Yoruba culture, each family compound has its. So those are possible examples of food.

I honestly got lost for words and find it difficult to put my thoughts together when I saw 'superior' and 'irrelevant' in reference to Yoruba in your posts; I became heart broken and discombobulated.

All I can say is 'wow'.

lol...you must be a comedian...please do endeavor to get your facts right before making claims

Will be brief as possible almost outta ba3

1-is the arabs also abandoned their belief system in the face of a superior one ISLAM

2-discarding unwanted and fallacious believes as always been the way of a thinking man..that is why he keeps making research to uncover more truths and not just base his believes on hearsay or the forefather syndrome

Take for instance--if we apply this your forfather syndrome--we will still believe the earth is flat as stated by aristotle--or that the universe doesn't expand--einstein------hence basing our judgments and believe "empty headedly" on what our fore-father have say

Urs is the case of a man whom the quran describes as "one who follows the ways of his forefather even though they were without guidance or knowledge"

BETATRON:
where?@ bolded

Does the Quran, Bible and Torah not have the same story about the Satan's revolt in heaven?

If not then I apologize.

macof:


and who were the people who thought the earth was flat? the same people who brought their god to you to worship claiming they knew truth. even quran claims the sun sets in a pond every evening

I'm glad Yoruba traditions never claim the earth is flat. ..rather we have it that the earth is spherical, using calabash to symbolize this. ..there's also the saying that the earth is like the moon

I don't understand how anybody will say yoruba traditional knowledge is irrelevant. ..and begin to take Arab nonsense seriously

Omo, I tire o.

To think it came from a Yoruba person.

A lot of us have written our own heritage off completely so much that if we had a choice to change who are most would skip to be Arabs or Jews.

It breaks the heart.

WORDWORLD:


Now i get you. You know not much about the TRUTH of Islam. It seems to be that your[b] knowledge is based on hearsay [/b]and not meticulous study of Islam as a SUBJECT for enquiry. Never the less inorder to satisfy YPEACE and any one who cares about learning and growing in heart and mind. I find time to state my TRIUSMS.

Knowledge of what? Islam?

Everything I posted is on google, Islamic websites for that matter.

The truth of Islam within Islam itself has many variations. Again, truth is subjective.

We only see something as the truth if we mentally absorb it.

The stuff about Islam I posted is not the truth to you but the truth to those Muslims who absorbed it.

BETATRON:
lol...you must be a comedian...please do endeavor to get your facts right before making claims

Will be brief as possible almost outta ba3

1-is the arabs also abandoned their belief system in the face of a superior one ISLAM

2-discarding unwanted and fallacious believes as always been the way of a thinking man..that is why he keeps making research to uncover more truths and not just base his believes on hearsay or the forefather syndrome

Take for instance--if we apply this your forfather syndrome--we will still believe the earth is flat as stated by aristotle--or that the universe doesn't expand--einstein------hence basing our judgments and believe "empty headedly" on what our fore-father have say

Urs is the case of a man whom the quran describes as "one who follows the ways of his forefather even though they were without guidance or knowledge"

If you think the early Yoruba thought the earth was flat then I shake my head for you.

You know a lot about a foreign belief but not even the geographic progress of your own ethnic group (if you're Yoruba).

Arabs abandoned their beliefs; was Muhammed not an Arab or he came from Mars? Maybe to you, Islam started from heaven but the ethnicity of the person who started it here on earth remains Arab; deal with that.

Maybe your forefathers and grandfathers were without knowledge, my own forefathers were with knowledge independently developed and did not have to wait on a foreign belief before developing knowledge, thank you.

9jacrip:



1. You must not know the meaning of the term 'Messiah'.

If he didn't die for anybody then how is he the 'Messiah'; a 'Messiah' is a saviour of people. Christians say the way he is a Messiah is by dying on the cross and shedding blood to wash away their 'sins'.

I would like for you to broaden my mind on how Islam sees his Messiahnic status and how he is a Messiah if he didn't die to save. How did he save?

2. I only posted the various Islamic branches on views of 'Messiah'. Do some people in Islam not believe Madhi is the Messiah?

3. Again, it is another branch of Messianic view in Islam. The Ahmmadiiyya group.


Maybe you disagree with the number 3 but he does have a followership that still exists till today, either you believe it or not is for you to battle with sir. I've only posted how relative the matter of 'truth' can be. For the Ahmmadiyya it is the truth but for you it is not.

I'm mobile so I really can't type long epistle. Messiah from islamic view is Jewish savior, hence, a chosen one from among the children of Israel. Let's keep it simple like that.

Linguistically simply means. Chosen one. A chosen one from israelites for the Jews. It doesn't mean to die for the muslims.

Don't force Ahamadiyah nonsense down my throat. Provide islamic sources where Gullam's name is mentioned. Messiah, [size=17pt]Jesus is the son of MARY.[/size]
Mirza Gullam Ahmad is son of PunjabI woman.


Where is he mentioned in the Qur'an?

9jacrip:


Does the Quran, Bible and Torah not have the same story about the Satan's revolt in heaven?

If not then I apologize.

you don't have to apologize..you just have to be cocksure of whatever you say not just give make a statement without proof to back it up

The quran and muslim to consider God and satan to be two side of the same coin....and never considered satan to be as powerful as God's weakest angel not to talk of being so powerful that he could lead a rebellion against God---the AL-MIGHY"-----tryna read the koranic verse concerning this topic--i promise you will never regret doing so

9jacrip:


Knowledge of what? Islam?

Everything I posted is on google, Islamic websites for that matter.

The truth of Islam within Islam itself has many variations. Again, truth is subjective.

We only see something as the truth if we mentally absorb it.

The stuff about Islam I posted is not the truth to you but the truth to those Muslims who absorbed it.

Meaning google is your yardstick for measuring truth about Islam and infact google is your own TRUTH. Now i get your line of thinking.

As for Islam the TOUCH STONE is the Quran and Hadith. That is the yardstick not google. Kindly understand.

Empiree:
I'm mobile so I really can't type long epistle. Messiah from islamic view is Jewish savior, hence, a chosen one from among the children of Israel. Let's keep it simple like that.

Linguistically simply means. Chosen one. A chosen one from israelites for the Jews. It doesn't mean to die for the muslims.

Don't force Ahamadiyah nonsense down my throat. Provide islamic sources where Gullam's name is mentioned. Messiah, [size=17pt]Jesus is the son of MARY.[/size]
Mirza Gullam Ahmad is son of PunjabI woman.


Where is he mentioned in the Qur'an?

OK.

It was you who saved Jesus was the Messiah even to Islam - Messiah means a chosen saviour. If Jesus is Messiah in Islam then how is he saving Muslims? - Answer this question.

2. Ahmmadiya is now nonsense? Aren't they your muslim folks?

3. Uncle, google Gullam to find his islamic sources; you're the muslim here.

And why get upset?

udatso:

Abeg where did you find these clowns?

on a front page about so called muslims praying for collapse of nija govt

The thread has been successfully derailed

WORDWORLD:


Meaning google is your yardstick for measuring truth about Islam and infact google is your own TRUTH. Now i get your line of thinking.

As for Islam the TOUCH STONE is the Quran and Hadith. That is the yardstick not google. Kindly understand.

You do not have to be slick, don't even try to be.

You asked and I referred you to google it. You may know all about islam but there are many muslim fora out there where a lot of islamic knowledge are being discussed.

Calm down with your snide shot, we don't want to go there.