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| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 4:05pm On May 17, 2016 |
solite3:solite3, pls pls pls, answer the questions in full! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:43pm On May 17, 2016 |
These two scriptures are really getting to you-you are making a mockery out of yourself, all I had asked was for you to answer two simple verses, over two months ago, and of course you have been doing the run around to avoid these two simple verses. I thought someone of your intelligence, and part of the JW organization could answer such. Am I wrong? One would think {Revelation 1:7-8} would be easy to answer, but in your case "which I find strange" you are jumping too and fro scriptures from other bibles, not using the New World Translation bible, does this mean you and the rest of the JW's believe your bible is faulty. Listen I don't really care if you believe your bible is wrong? All I had asked could someone answer Revelation for me. You JW's had avoided these verses like a plague, "Does this mean Someone had made a terrible mistake and accidentally slip in Revelation' because it shows that someone knew God lived amongst men. And does this mean the NWT-bible actually go's against your organization, and of course it couldn't be used as a positive doctrine. I am not after a complete bible study, all I had asked was' could someone from your organization answer the truth? The New World Translation bible, {Revelation proves Jehovah God is Jesus} I am not arguing, I believe it too. dolphinheart: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 12:12am On May 18, 2016 |
Chemcrown: Is that what they told you about them? You call it lie even when it's shown to you from the Bible? At least they are proud to follow the true Bible teachings. Not false doctrines like you and your cohorts. 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:22am On May 18, 2016 |
Go to this page: https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses For the truth about the so called Jehovahs Witnesses |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:32am On May 18, 2016 |
Barristter07: More lies from false jw: Salvation according to the Watchtower Organization, Part 1 According to the Watchtower Organization, Feb. 15, 1983, p. 12, there are four requirements for salvation as taught by the Watchtower magazine. Please check out the list. (see this quote in context) Jesus Christ identified a first requirement when he said in prayer to his Father: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ," (John 17:3). Knowledge of God and of Jesus Christ includes knowledge of God's purposes regarding the earth and of Christ's role as earth's new King. Will you take in such knowledge by studying the Bible? Many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws, yes, to conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible. This includes refraining from a debauched, immoral way of life. 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, 1 Peter 4:3, 4. A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization. God has always used an organization. For example, only those in the ark in Noah's day survived the Flood, and only those associated with the Christian congregation in the first century had God's favor, (Acts 4:12). Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it. The fourth requirement is connected with loyalty. God requires that prospective subjects of his Kingdom support his government by loyally advocating his Kingdom rule to others. Jesus Christ explained: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth," (Matthew 24:14). Will you meet this requirement by telling others about God's Kingdom? According to the Bible, salvation is obtained by faith in Christ and what He did on the cross. That is why the Bible says we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1). Justification is the legal declaration by God where He declares the sinner righteous. This is based on the substitutionary atonement of Jesus on the cross and in our place. 2 Cor. 5:21, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 1 Pet. 2:24, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." Because Jesus took our place and satisfied all the law, we are not obligated to keep the law in any way in order to be justified/saved. His righteousness, His fulfilling of the law is reckoned to us and is given to us by faith. That is why Jesus says that He gives us rest (Matt. 11:28). It is rest from trying to earn our salvation in any way. As Christians, we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) because we can never please God by any work we do (Isa. 64:6, Gal. 2:21). Only through Jesus and His work on the cross are we saved. When the Galatian Christians sought to be circumcised, they were essentially trying to complete their salvation by a work of law. To this Paul said, "And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace," (Gal. 5:3-4). Why? because Rom. 11:6 says, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace." Unfortunately for the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watchtower Organization is teaching that in order to be saved, you must become 1) knowledgeable about the Father, 2) obey God's laws, 3) be associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and 4) be loyal in spreading the kingdom news of God. Please take note that the Watchtower does not teach about coming to Christ as Jesus stated in Matt. 11:28. It does not focus on the sacrifice of Christ on the cross and what Jesus did. It does not mention what saves us in 1 Cor. 15:1-4, namely, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Instead, it focuses on the Father, itself as an organization, and works. It is the works' issue that is the most problematic here. The Jehovah's Witness' organization teaches works' righteousness in combination with the sacrifice of Christ. This combination of our works and Jesus' sacrifice is a teaching that is not only a heresy but also makes salvation void. Works do not save us Rom. 3:28, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus . . . " See also, Rom. 4:5, 5:1, Gal. 3:11, Phil. 3:9. Again as to quote the Watchtower above, "Many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws, yes, to conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible." And if this isn't enough, please consider the following quote: "Accepting the message of salvation and devoting ourselves to God through Christ and being baptized in water is only the beginning of our exercise of faith. It is only the beginning of our obedience to God. It sets us on the way to everlasting life, but it does not mean our final salvation," (This Means Everlasting Life, p. 181). As you can see, the Watchtower Organization teaches that salvation is dependent upon the work of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and this is a doctrine that leads to damnation. Are you doing enough works? If you are a Jehovah's Witnesses, then are you doing enough works to be saved? Are all your hours going door-to-door really going to please God enough for Him to let you into Paradise Earth? Are you actually obeying God's laws? If not, why not? Do you think that sincerity will make up the difference? If so, you're in for a rude awakening. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness,' (Matt. 7:21-23). Notice how those condemned on the day of judgment appealed to their works that they did in Jesus' Name. In other words, they combined their faith and deeds in their appeal to Jesus for salvation. It was not by faith alone! Is that what you are doing? Are you relying on the complete grace of God in Christ alone, or are you hoping to be able to prove to God you are a worthy Jehovah's Witness by your deeds of obedience? You can never be made worthy by anything you do. All our deeds are filthy rags before the Lord (Isa. 64:6). That is why true Christians are justified (saved) by faith (Rom. 5:1). True Christianity is the teaching that Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14, Col. 2:9), and because He is, His sacrifice is infinite in value. It is completely sufficient to save us from our sins and does so. All we need to do is believe and by faith we are justified (Rom. 5:1, Eph. 2:8-9). It is after we are saved that we then go out and do good works and keep His commandments. We do them because we are saved and not to get saved or to keep our salvation. Are you good enough? Is your heart good enough? Are you sincere enough? Have you put enough hours going door-to-door? . . . do you need a rest? If so, come to Jesus. Ask Him to forgive you of your sins. Matt. 28:18, "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." John 14:14, "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it." Matt. 11:28-30, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls. 30"For My yoke is easy, and My load is light." https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/salvation-according-watchtower-organization-part-1 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:06am On May 18, 2016 |
JW's are like most Catholic's they prefer to lie to cover up their own mistakes. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by SujiAndrew(m): 7:00am On May 18, 2016 |
We have had to fight on this for centuries; do you think ladies have roles to play in pulpit ministry? This blog will clarify all your doubts regarding this topic. http://www.sujiandrewsblog.tk/2016/04/do-ladies-have-place-in-pulpit-ministry.html Be blessed as you read in the name of our lord Jesus Christ!
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| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:17am On May 18, 2016 |
You can't make a mockery out of something you don't understand, and I don't expect you to understand it, so its no good trying to understand something you haven't got a clue off. Your argument is your own, its useless you are trying to prove Jesus is the Son of God, but your answers doesn't go with my Question? {Everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God} My question is why didn't Jesus actually identify himself to His disciples, nor to anybody else in this matter. When we read the scriptures Jesus didn't directly call Himself the Son of God, nor did He claim to be God. This information came from else where' written in the scriptures' who Jesus is. Jesus always claimed to be the Son of man, or "I Am" He spoke only of His Father. He said' "I Am the Father are one. Jesus would agree on everything that was rightly said about Him, and it was God who spoke about His Son Jesus' either through others to get His message across. Or God would Say this is My Son in Him I Am well pleased. God's message had travelled the land, even The woman said I know the Messiah is coming and Jesus said "I Am He. God spoke through Thomas and said" My Lord and My God. God also spoke through Peter, You are the Son of the living God. So dolphinheart don't jump to far ahead of yourself, you have completely lost your mark. dolphinheart: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:04am On May 18, 2016 |
Old testament women didn't play such roles, but these day's women do? The world say's women have their rights the same as men, and in the word women are to sit quietly. Would you allow a homosexual to stand on the pulpit, and preach about Jesus? Really its up to the church to decide, I remember the old day's the Church would stand up for the people' and put a stop to this sort of behaviour, But these day's the Church does nothing to change it. Back in the day' we would never hear a swear word come across our televisions, nor radio's nor the media. SujiAndrew: 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:53am On May 18, 2016 |
brocab brocab: hello sir I love the fact that you Love Jesus Christ, this is what is expected of every Christian. but I wont want you to misunderstand dolphinheart, ( note that am not defending dolphinheart,). Dolphinheart belives Jesus is A mighty one, infact a Mighty God . @ dolpinheart , correct me if am wrong and every Christian know Jesus is a powerful being . no doubt . But brocab, I want you to know that when u hear anyone saying Jesus is not God . they dont mean he is not powerful or mighty . they meant he doesnt fit the definition of God as the SUPREME BEING definition of God God 1. 2. [god] noun the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/god. scripture firmly established that Jesus is not the supreme being, [size=27] by declaring many times that our Lord Jesus Christ has his own God too , [/size] any objection to that Fact ? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 9:14am On May 18, 2016 |
johnw74: this your lie will always be remembered on Nairaland A christian dont lie  " look out Jesus, [size=27] said a disciple, [/size] they are trying to trap you " johnw74 lie lie John |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 9:40am On May 18, 2016 |
READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTED IS THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHOLE THING LATER. HE JUST DID THE SAME THING TO MY POST HE QUOTED brocab:have I been running around ? no have I been changing the topic? no have I ever said I wunt tell him about rev 1: 7,8? no what have I said and have been saying all this while about that scripture.? brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you. I want you to use your own words to expose yourself. have I ever deviated from the above? no Why do i insist on him first explaining rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And telling who is talking in rev 3:2,12 before telling him about rev 1:7,8? because 1. He had once postulated false teachings about rev 1:7,8, this false teachings will be exposed and cleared if we examine rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12. 2. He will, as usual run away from the issue if I give him an explanation, only to come back later to ask the same question an answer has already been given, so I've decided that on these issue, he will use his own mouth to expose himself. He knows these, he knows those scriptures I asked him to quote and explain will expose his false teachings, hence he refuses to do so!. I've even promised to explain rev 1:7,8 to him if he quotes and explain those scriptures, but he still refuses to do so. 3. The note below is a third reason I thought someone of your intelligence, and part of the JW organization could answer such. Am I wrong?good, but I do care why the kjv removed the name of God in most places it occured in the scriptures, I've asked you about it several times, but you refuse to respond * pls note if he will respond in his reply You JW's had avoided these verses like a plague, "Does this mean Someone had made a terrible mistake and accidentally slip in Revelation' because it shows that someone knew God lived amongst men.continue to stroke ya ego, quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9, and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12 and you false teachings will be exposed. use any translation you like , but let us know which one you used. more importantly, dnt scatter the answers into several posts while still not answering all of them like your friend tried to do. [b]Note : you have refused to: Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found? If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself. Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.? 3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question. You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father. You can't do this : Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12..... brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures : 1.rev 1:1,6 2. Rev 3, 2,13 3. John 17:1-3 4. Heb 1:1 -9 5. John 20:17 6. 1 cor 11:3 7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6 8.Acts 4:10 9. Acts 2:36 10. Acts 2:24 11. Acts 5:30 12.Acts 10:38,40,43 11. Phil 2:9,11 12. john 14:6 13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30 14. 1 john 4:14 15. Heb 5:7 16. ps 28:18 And a host of others Brocab , examine these scripture Acts 5: 31. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b] |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 10:51am On May 18, 2016 |
brocab:Did info come from someone else as stated in my post you quoted? yes info about who Jesus is came from God, nathy, matha and the disciples. did any of them say "jesus is God !"? no what did they say? they said Jesus is the anointed one, the son of the living God! * brocab, can you tell us who anointed jesus?! You stated that in the scriptures , Jesus did not directly call himself the son of God , I've shown you where Jesus said so , but since you did not read it , ill show you again . King James Version Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; BECAUSE I SAID, I am the Son of God? BROCABS, DID YOU HEAR JESUS OWN STATEMENT ABOVE, ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR THAT HE NEVER SAID "I AM THE SON OF GOD?" supportin scriptures: Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself; King James Version Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. brocab, why do you think the Jews wanted to kill him! King James Version Joh 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, BUT HE SAID ALSO THAT GOD WAS HIS FATHER making himself equal with God. It's painful that you ,claiming to be a Christian will claim and focus on "Jesus not directly saying he is the son of god" as if it would negate the statements of others that where recorded in the scriptures! they where all recorded for a reason, and they did not contradict each other! King James Version Joh 20:31BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN, THAT YE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, AND THAT BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE THROUGH HIS NAME! Below are statements I made concerning what the scriptures I quoted tells us, you could not respond to it cus they are truth! [b]is Jesus the highest? no is Jesus son of the highest? yes. is the the God who sent him? no was Jesus sent by God ? yes is Jesus the son of God ? yes I wonder why some would desperately want to redefine who Jesus is using indirect method! * What did this scriptures teach us 1. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God 2. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the father 3. God send his son to the world 4. If you believe in the son , you will gain evalasting life 5. The son is a different person from God 6. Jesus is not almighty God , but his father is, being the one who sent him, and Jesus saying God sent him!, more importantly with 7 below. 7, Jesus said that only the father is the true God! 8. Jesus prayed to the father, affirming to do his will till death 9. The scriptures states that God is the head of Christ, this is also in liNe with the scriptures which tell us that the father is greater than Jesus, the father is God of Jesus , and Jesus having a God who anointed him! 10. Jesus was sent to pass on a message to mankind 11. Jesus was sent to save makind 12. Jesus was sent to lead us back to God , to become his children 13. Jesus came to give his life as a ransom so that we might gain evalasting life[/b] Jesus always claimed to be the Son of man, or "I Am" He spoke only of His Father. He said' "I Am the Father are one.Jesus is one with the father just as a husband and wife are expected to be one! jesus wants his disciples to be one with him and his father also. do you know that Jesus said he has a God ? do you know that Jesus said the father is greater than him? Jesus would agree on everything that was rightly said about Him, and it was God who spoke about His Son Jesus' either through others to get His message across. Or God would Say this is My Son in Him I Am well pleased.gram!, with your own words, you just comfirmed that Jesus is Not the God who spoke about Jesus. that God is the almighty God ! God's message had travelled the land, even The woman said I know the Messiah is coming and Jesus said "I Am He. God spoke through Thomas and said" My Lord and My God. God also spoke through Peter, You are the Son of the living God.did God send himself as the messiah? no who did God send? his son did the son acknowledge being seNT by God ? yes in John 17: 1-3 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:04am On May 18, 2016 |
Barristter07:sir, You are definitely right! I believe Jesus is not the supreme being I believe Jesus is not the most high I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to jesus that he should sit at his right side. I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God . I believe that Jesus is a God. I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God . I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:18pm On May 18, 2016 |
{1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us insight to know Him, who is true, and we are in Him who is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the God and eternal life. dolphinheart: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Chemcrown: 12:55pm On May 18, 2016 |
goodnews201668: I never go to many of your misrepresentation and misinterpretation of the Bible. Kindly refute my claim of subjecting members to self righteousness rather than advertising your self holier than thou - true Bible teachings my foot. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:07pm On May 18, 2016 |
You are still not listening, I am not interested in someone else calling Jesus the son of God, I am interested in Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, without Him reading the scriptures' Psalms was written by David, and Jesus said He is the Son of God through the scriptures, not by His own accord He quoted psalms so the Jews would believe Him. you have quoted {John 10} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, He makes His claim. "I and the Father are one" {John 10:30} Jesus claimed to be one with God, in the sense to be equal to Him, Jesus did not claim to be merely to be a messenger or a prophet of God, But of equal power of God. His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father in {V 31} The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him, "When asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, for blasphemy, because you being a man make yourself God {John 10:33} If Jesus had been lying and deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous, In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God. Jesus referred to Himself as God's Son, and to God as His Father {John 10:36-37} Jesus used {Psalms 82:6} {I said you are god's you are all sons of the most high} this scripture gave Jesus the rights to claim He is the Son of God. This is my argument, Where in the bible did Jesus actually say He is the Son of God, without someone else claiming He is? Psalms was written by David. Jesus made His statement to the Jews copying what psalms had said? Jesus claimed that the Father sent Him,The one who the Father had set apart as His very own and has sent into the world {John 10:36} In this statement Jesus claimed pre-existence in the Fathers presents, No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before, yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham {John 8:58} Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him, He never said they misunderstood His claims to be God {John 10:38} "Even through you do not believe me, believe the works that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. Again even with this statement How can Jesus claim to be the Son if they are equality one the same? dolphinheart: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 2:09pm On May 18, 2016 |
dolphinheart:thank God u even agreed I answered your question half.please apologise for the lie your told against me. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 2:17pm On May 18, 2016 |
Jehovah witnesses just told anoda lie. Is Jesus a mighty god OR The Mighty God? Please take note, the answer is in Isaiah 9:6 and psalm 50:1. JESUS IS JEHOVAH GOD. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:24pm On May 18, 2016 |
He is also called the Almighty in {Revelation 1:8} |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 3:18pm On May 18, 2016 |
You could not answer the question you where asked, but you decided to quote me. After quoting me, you could not counter any of the beliefs I have I believe Jesus is not the supreme being I believe Jesus is not the most high I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to Jesus that he should sit at his right side. I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God . I believe that Jesus is a God. I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God . I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father! brocab: King James Version 1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, EVEN IN his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. why are you afraid to explain the verse you posted! when Jesus came, who did he teach us about? the only true God who dI'd he call the only true God? The father! who is the father? his God, our God , the almighty , the supreme being, the most high, Jehovah! exepts from John chapter 17(kjv) [b]1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour has come; glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON also may glorify you: * esus testifies again that he is the son of God, he was not praying to himself, he was praying to God! 2 As YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. * jesus let's it known again that God gave him power over all flesh 3 And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW YOU the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. *jesus states it clearly and directly that the father is the ONLY TRUE GOD ! 4 I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which YOU GAVE me to do. * Jesus Christ let's you realise that it's the father, the only true God that have him the work he came to do on earth! 6 I have manifested your name unto the men that you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me; and they have kept your word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. 8 For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; AS YOU, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, [/color]and have loved them, as you have loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world has not known you: but I have known you, and these have known that you have sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them your name, and will declare it: that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them. can you see from the above that Jesus and the father are not the same person, that the father is superior to jesus like jesus said: the father is greater than I am! read 1 john chapter 5 again and you will understand what the verse you quoted is saying |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:18pm On May 18, 2016 |
Its nice you have stood up for your partner in crime, but I assure you nothing here is said that is offensive, We are both on a different wave lengths. The only thing I don't understand about dolphinheart, he denies the bible, calling it a lie. I gather it's because the word of God had corned Him into a corner he can't seem to get out off, and of course he then changes the subject quickly, from a simple ask-he try's so hard to hide the facts why someone in your organization had written in the New World Translation bible Jehovah God is Jesus. {Revelation 1:7-8} My question is' Is your bible faulty because dolphinheart is trying so hard to hide the fact some of your bible scholars had written such a statement that is found in the NWT bible in Revelation Jehovah God is Jesus. And why is it written in there, if none of you believe He is? Maybe you could shed a little light on this subject? Barristter07: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:21pm On May 18, 2016 |
I don't have to read the scripture its in black and white, {1 John 5:20} just read it, and read what it says. It go's against your beliefs, who God is. dolphinheart: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:40pm On May 18, 2016 |
YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN LIES. Show me in the word where it say's Jesus is a god? Plus show me where Jesus being a god has a god superior to him? And I can show you, your NWT bible claims Jehovah God is Jesus in {Revelation 1:8} Calling Him the Almighty. This will be interesting? dolphinheart: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:20pm On May 18, 2016 |
brocab:we already know you are not interested in certain scriptures, it contradicts your false doctrines. well I am interested in what God himself had to say, what Faithfull withnesses had to say and what the disciples who where with jesus had to say about Jesus Christ . It is this selective interested in the word of God that fuels false doctrines like yours. I am interested in Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, without Him reading the scriptures' Psalms was written by David, and Jesus said He is the Son of God through the scriptures, not by His own accord He quoted psalms so the Jews would believe Him.brocab, he quoted Psalms so that the Jews would believe that he is what? THE SON OF GOD! let's look at the scriptures again. [b]King James Version Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; [/color=red]BECAUSE I SAID, I am the Son of God?[/color] Does this verse above look like jesus was quoting from the psalms when he said this?NO! your first task was to discredit other withnesses to the fact that Jesus is the son of God, your second task is to discredit jesus direct statemeNT that he told the Jews that he is the son of God. you failed woefully in both tasks. when jesus told the Jews he was the son of God, they wanted to kill him, he had to defend his statements later with the psalms. Jesus used the scriptures cus he knew they would not understand the fact that he was in heaven as gods son, before coming to earth. In their minds, they thought he was just an ordinary human. looking at your post again, you have not been able to tell us where quoted the psalms where David said " jesus (or david) is the son of god". look at again at the supporting scriptures i quoted to you, supportin scriptures: Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself; pls tell us brocab, if you are capable(though I find you incapable)who Jesus was talking about there? himself or someone else. King James Version Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. pls brocab, did Jesus not tell you he has a father? you have quoted {John 10} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, He makes His claim.not only did I quote it, i explained what jesus said there, I gave you scriptures that surpported my views and Even gave you examples of what being one is. This you could not refute then or now! Jesus claimed to be one with God,You are a propagator of false doctrine brocab, you twist the scriptures to say what it did not tell you. Jesus being one with the father does not mean jesus is equal with/ to the father. being one denotes unity of purpose. A man and a woman are expected to become one in a marriage union, having one purpose. brocab , does this mean the man and woman are equal in power in the union? I've asked this before, but no answer! The answer is no, for the husband is the head of the wife! brocad, open your eyes and read this scriptures below King James Version Joh 17:11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. Joh 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Joh 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: King James Version Joh 17:23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. ARE THE DISCIPLES EQUAL IN POWER TO JESUS OR GOD CUS THEY ARE ONE IN GOD AND JESUS? NOO! BUT THIS IS WHAT BROCAB WANTS US TO BELIEVE, CUS HE BELIEVES THAT BEING ONE MEANS THEY ARE EQUAL! so that brocab will not be successfull in twisting the scriptures, Jesus Himself said about himself and the father: [b]King James Version Joh 14:28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FAYHER IS GREATER THAN I pls notice that brocab would have read this scripture, and because it shows his doctrines as false, he would omit/refuse to quote and respond to it when talking about his doctrines or when it's used to prove his doctrines are false. Jesus also told us that he was being given power and authority, he also told us who gave him such power. If jesus is equal to God, he will have such power and not be given such power. His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father in {V 31} The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him, "When asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, for blasphemy, because you being a man make yourself God {John 10:33} If Jesus had been lying and deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous, In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God.the Jews understood wrongly who Jesus is, being the son of God does not mean being equal to the father! angels are also called sons of God, this does not mean they are all equal to God. let's examine John chapter 10 King James Version Joh 10:17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. THIS COMMANDMENT HAVE I RECIEVED OF MY FATHER the above words of jesus and other words caused a division among the jews, they later sorrounded jesus ,asking him if he was the Christ! Jesus answered them King James Version Joh 10:25Jesus answered them, I TOLD YOU , AND YE BELIEVED NOT: the works that I do in MY FATHERS NAME, they bear witness of me. Joh 10:29 MY FATHER, WHICH GAVE THEM TO ME, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. Joh 10:30I and my Father are one. Jesus had already told them he has a father , who is Jesus to that father? A son! like brocab, the Jews thought jesus was claiming equality with God, so they sought to stone Him. [b]King James Version Joh 10:33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. from the scriptures above, can you see that the Jews where wrong? they wanted to stone jesus cus he said he was the son of God, they believed jesus did not exist before in the heavens, and he was just a man like them, they thus think he, being a man was calling Himself God. Jesus response to them shows that the Jews where wrong with their views King James Version Joh 10:34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? this above verse is where Jesus quoted from psalms 82: 6 Ps 82:6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. this was in reference to human judges who God had allowed to judge isreal , God called them gods . Jesus used their beliefs to counter their charge of blasphemy. They believe Jesus is just a man like them and Jesus used the fact that God called man gods to counter their charge. King James Version Joh 10:35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; King James Version Joh 10:36Say ye of him, WHOM THE FATHER HATH SANCTIFIED, AND SENT INTO THE WORLD, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD ? Joh 10:37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. let me simplify it for you, Jesus was saying, how come, when humans are being called gods , do you want to stone me, someone God sant Ifield and sent to earth by God , because I said I aM the Son on of God ? brocab, did you notice that Jesus did nOT quote any scriptures again after showing them where in the scriptures humans are called gods? his subsequent statements where therefore not quotes from the scriptures, but his own statement " I SAID, I AM THE SON OF GOD. Jesus claimed that the Father sent Him,The one who the Father had set apart as His very own and has sent into the world {John 10:36} In this statement Jesus claimed pre-existence in the Fathers presents, No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before, yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abrahamyes, Jesus existed before the world was created, but that does not mean he is equal to god. had a beginning, God does not. The scriptures had made it clear that Jesus has always been in subjection to the father! {John 8:58} Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him, He never said they misunderstood His claims to be God one and the same what? 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:30pm On May 18, 2016 |
solite3: and you are not ashamed that you did not answer the question like you where supposed to 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 8:32pm On May 18, 2016 |
brocab: JESUS IS A GOD Isa 9:6For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Isa 9:7To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. Joh 1:18No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. JESUS BEING A GOD, STILL HAS A GOD Heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.” Lu 3:21, 22Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up, 22and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I HAVE APROVED YOU” Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD. 1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. Eph 1:17that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him. Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. JESUS IS SUBJECTED AND LOYAL TO THAT GOD Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, FOR THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM. Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Mr 15:34And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, Mt 20:23He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I HAVE NOT COME OF MY OWN INITIATIVE, BUT THAT ONE SENT ME. 1Co 15:24-28Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to HIS GOD AND FATHER, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27FOR GOD "SUBJECTED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28But when all things will have been subjected to him, THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Pe 3:22He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers WERE MADE SUBJECT TO HIM. HOPING YOU WORLD BE ABLE TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN SOME, IF NOT ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE And I can show you, your NWT bible claims Jehovah God is Jesus in {Revelation 1:8} Calling Him the Almighty. no problem, just add your quote and explanation of rev 1: 1,4-6, and heb 1: 9 also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. If you do not add the above, your explanation will be termed as false ! a true Christian should not be afraid of sharing his knowledge of the scripture when he is being asked. 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 9:27pm On May 18, 2016 |
brocab brocab: I asked : scripture firmly established that Jesus is not the supreme being [size=27] by declaring many times that our Lord Jesus Christ have a God too ! any objection to this fact ? [/size] Am still expecting ur response to that! FAILURE TO REPLY MEANS YOU AGREE instead of answering you brocab went ahead to bring another issue . i did some research and discovered that contrary to ur claim @ undelined , Jehovahs Witnesses never said Jesus is Jehovah God. , it was you brocab that attribute that statement to them. 2. @ Rev 1:8 , the person speaking is described as the Almighty , greek /pantokrator/ Strong's Concordance pantokratór: almighty Original Word: παντοκράτωρ, ορος, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: pantokratór Phonetic Spelling: (pan-tok-rat'-ore) Short Definition: ruler of the universe Definition: [size=26] ruler of all, ruler of the universe, the almighty. [/size] brocab, is Jesus the Ruler of ALL ? 1 Corinthians15:28 if yes , prove it ! how could the Ruler of All have his own God he is subjected to ? if NO , how then could you lie that its Jesus speaking at Rev 1:8 ? 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:49pm On May 18, 2016 |
Barristter07: ^^^ and it doesn't think it is queer more lies from false jw, read from the site it's a better format: https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/salvation-according-watchtower-organization-part-2 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:49pm On May 18, 2016 |
Barristter07: ^^^ false jw loves to lie, over and over again The Jehovah's Witnesses was begun by Charles Taze Russell in 1872. He was born on February 16, 1852, the son of Joseph L. and Anna Eliza Russell. He had great difficulty in dealing with the doctrine of eternal hell fire, and in his studies came to deny not only eternal punishment but also the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit. When Russell was 18, he organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879, he sought to popularize his aberrant ideas on doctrine. He co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour, and by 1884, Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom and founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society (now known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). The first edition of The Watchtower magazine was only 6,000 copies each month. Today the Witnesses' publishing complex in Brooklyn, New York, churns out 100,000 books and 800,000 copies of its two magazines--daily! Russell claimed that the Bible could be only understood according to his interpretations--a dangerous arrangement since he controlled what was written in the Watchtower magazine. This kind of assertion is typical among leaders of cult religions. After the death of Russell on Oct. 31, 1916, a Missouri lawyer named Joseph Franklin Rutherford took over the presidency of the Watch Tower Society which was known then as the International Bible Students Association. In 1931, he changed the name of the organization to "The Jehovah's Witnesses." charles taze russel After Rutherford's death, Nathan Knorr took over. After Knorr, Frederick William Franz became president. The Society was led by Mr. Henschel who died in 2003. The group has over 4 million members worldwide. The Watchtower Society statistics indicate that 740 house calls are required to recruit each of the nearly 200,000 new members who join every year. The Jehovah's Witnesses have several ‘book studies' each week. The members are not required to attend, but there is a level of expectation that gently urges converts to participate. It is during these ‘book studies' that the Jehovah's Witness is constantly exposed to counter Christian teachings. The average Jehovah's Witness with his constant Watchtower indoctrination could easily pummel the average Christian when it comes to defending his beliefs. The Jehovah's Witnesses vehemently portray the doctrine of the Trinity as pagan in origin and that Christendom, as a whole, has bought the lie of the devil. Along with denying the Trinity is an equally strong denial of the deity of Christ, the deity of the Holy Spirit, the belief in hell, and eternal conscious punishment in hell. Jehovah's Witnesses' History by Matt Slick https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-history |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:58am On May 19, 2016 |
Don't change the subject everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God. I have written this because I know you won't read it down the page, but at least someone will, and they will work out who the true lairs are. And as sad as it always sounds the JW's have a bad record in doing such, IS LIE. King James bible explains it like this>{Revelation 1:1-18} "A Revelation by Jesus Christ" which God gave Him, to show His slaves {servants} the things that must shortly take place, and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John. {V 2} Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that John saw. {V 3} Bless is he who reads, and those who hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things which are written in it for the time is near. {V 4} John to the seven churches which are in Asia, Grace to and peace from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come. {V 5} And from the seven spirits who are before His throne. And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first born from the dead and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To him who loved us and washed us, from our sins in His own blood. {V 6} And {Jesus} made us Kings and priest to HIS GOD THE FATHER to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen. {V 7} Behold {Jesus} He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. {V 8} And Jesus said" I and the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end" Say's the Lord. Who is and who was, and who is to come the Almighty. New World Translation bible>{V 7-8} Look He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of Him. Yes Amen. {V 8} I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God. The one who is and who was, and is coming the Almighty. Jehovah witnesses believe the Almighty Jehovah God is the one returning back to earth. "Not Jesus". king James bible>{V 9} I, John, both, your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patients of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that it is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. {V 10} I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as a trumpet, {V 11} saying I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the Last, and what you see write it in a book and send it to the seven churches, which are in Asia. {V 12} THEN I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPOKE TO ME, AND HAVING TURNED I SAW SEVEN LAMPSTANDS AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN LAMPSTANDS. ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN Did you miss this scripture Mr Barristter 07 does it frightened you, John had seen the Son of Man standing behind Him talking to him. Not Jehovah God standing behind Him, unless you believe Jehovah is Jesus? {V 17} And when I saw Him, I feel at His feet as dead, but He laid His right hand on me, saying to me do not be afraid, I Am the first and the last, {V 18} I Am he who lives and behold I Am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of death. This is even written in your bible, John saw Jesus standing behind him, Jesus is the one who lives and is still alive forever and ever. This is not Jehovah God, unless you believe Jesus is Jehovah God? So does this make any sense to you Mr Barristter 07 the lair Himself? GOD SAID NO-ONE HAS SEEN HIM AT ANY TIME, BECAUSE GOD IS SPIRIT. BUT YOU JEHOVAH WITNESSES BELIEVE JEHOVAH GOD IS COMING BACK AND EVERY EYE WILL SEE JEHOVAH GOD COMING WITH CLOUDS, AND THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM, AND ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH WILL MOURN BECAUSE OF HIM. And not JESUS coming back.. How silly does your doctrine sound. Haven't any of you JW's have any faith in Christ at all? Barristter07: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:50am On May 19, 2016 |
AND WHY DOES DOLPHINHEART INSIST ON HIM TO FIRST EXPLAIN REVELATION AND HEBREWS, THE TRUTH IS DOLPHINHEART DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT? NOT ONLY MYSELF' BUT OTHERS HAVE EXPLAINED THESE SCRIPTURES OVER AND OVER, AND STILL THEIR IS NO FRUIT FOUND IN DOLPHINHEART? ITS SAD EVERYONE IS LAUGHING AT YOU DOLPHINHEART, NO-ONE IS TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY, IT MUST BE LONELY FOR YOU TRYING TO CONNECT WITH YOUR ATTITUDE. BUT DON'T WORRY I AM SMILING BEHIND YOUR BACK EVERY TIME YOU HAVE WRITTEN SUCH RUBBISH AGAINST ME. YOU WON'T ANSWER REVELATION OR HEBREWS BECAUSE LIKE THE REST OF YOU DONKEYS' YOU ALL BELIEVE CHRIST IS A LITTLE GOD, AND NOT THE JEHOVAH GOD WHO IS, AND WHO WAS, AND WHO IS COMING BACK. I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA THE FIRST AND THE LAST. AND LETS CLEAR THIS UP, CAN YOU PROVE TO US ALL, WHERE DID BROCAB ONCE POSTULATED FALSE TEACHINGS AGAINST {REVELATION 1:7-8} THAT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR BIBLE. TO BE TRUTHFUL IF DOLPHINHEART HAD ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT {REVELATION 1:7-8} IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF GIVING ME THE RUN AROUND, HE WOULDN'T BE ACTING LIKE HE IS NOW. AGAIN DOLPHINHEART HAS MADE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME, ONCE AGAIN? dolphinheart: |
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