Owliver:
my friend open your eyes. in core Islamic society female are like commodities. enough said

I'm not your "friend" and yes I'm from a core Muslim family (Let me use family) and I'm definitely not a "commodity" I don't know where you get your lies from and don't use "Saudi Arabia" it is their culture have you been to any North African country ? Aren't they Muslims too ?

HalimaSadiya:

I'm not your "friend" and yes I'm from a core Muslim family (Let me use family) and I'm definitely not a "commodity" I don't know where you get your lies from and don't use "Saudi Arabia" it is their culture have you been to any North African country ? Aren't they Muslims too ?

oh its Saudi culture for women to cover body by force. it's also a culture for four women's testimony to equal a man's testimony. it's also culture in Iran Iraq Afghan Pakistan etc. OK oh I hear.

Owliver:
oh its Saudi culture for women to cover body by force. it's also a culture for four women's testimony to equal a man's testimony. it's also culture in Iran Iraq Afghan Pakistan etc. OK oh I hear.

Lol why are you derailing ? You haven't answered me yet ? I gave an example of North African Muslim women where they are very free unlike the Saudi people that have restrictions...haven't you seen Muslim women who don't use the hijab , Burqa , Kimal etc even here in Nigeria like I stated "covering up" as you put it is a choice but not for Saudi women as it is the or way of life...Do you want me to post Muslim women who don't make use of the hijab ? you know nothing about Islam and the people in it.

These people are a menace to the society ? Show me please

Masha Allah

@halimasadiya

Are you aware that there are 109 hateful terror inspiring verses in your quoran? That is apart from numerous others found in your sahih hadiths that informms us of the sunnah of mohammed which faithful muslims are meant to emulate.

Owliver:
my friend open your eyes. in core Islamic society female are like commodities. enough said

seriously wen i read ur post i waz almost laughing becos it waz very stupid nd arrant nonsense frm u if only u knw d kind of importance Islam places on women den u wont post dt d fact d fact dt a whole surah was named for d women dnt u think dts something seriously u shud think deeply nxt tym b4 posting or insulting bullshit

annunaki2:
@halimasadiya

Are you aware that there are 109 hateful terror inspiring verses in your quoran? That is apart from numerous others found in your sahih hadiths that informms us of the sunnah of mohammed which faithful muslims are meant to emulate.

Should I post bible passages where violence and all that is very much encouraged both in the old and new testaments ? Don't go there

@ halimasadiya and oladim001

You wonder why there is hate for Islam? There are 3 intertwined reasons.

1) ignorance about Islam
2) Islamic terrorism
3) defensive/lying Muslims.


For number one and two, some people see Muslim terrorists and assume foolishly that all Muslims are terrorists.

Also, I know some Christians who have lost some family to terrorists and they are bitter about it. They can't leave the anger against Islam because they see the terrorism as an Islamic issue. The problem is that there are terrorists from different religion. All religiona have bad eggs.


The third reason relates to two of you (oladim and sadiya). There are conservative and moderate versions of Islam but sone Muslims tend to deny the conservative side of Islam to appease or calm non-Muslims. This actually annoys the non-Muslims who see this as lies/taquiyah. Also, which version of Islam should non Muslims trust? The respected scholar who says Islam allows wife beating or the other scholar who says wife beating is not allowed in Islam?


For example, oladim001 and halimasadiya are both lying when they say Islam empowers women.

I once dated a muslimah. I was still a christian then. I almost died when some Muslims in the community found out. When I asked sly Muslim buddy why people were angry because of our relationship, she show ed me the quran passage that says a Muslim woman cam not marry a non-Muslim.

yes, a Muslim woman cant marry a non Muslim but a Muslim man is allowed to marry non Muslims especially Christians and Jews. Is that equality? Is that empowerment?


The quran broke my heart. I Had to break off the relationship. I almost even became a Muslim.

JackBizzle:
@ halimasadiya and oladim001

You wonder why there is hate for Islam? There are 3 intertwined reasons.

1) ignorance about Islam
2) Islamic terrorism
3) defensive/lying Muslims.


For number one and two, some people see Muslim terrorists and assume foolishly that all Muslims are terrorists.

Also, I know some Christians who have lost some family to terrorists and they are bitter about it. They can't leave the anger against Islam because they see the terrorism as an Islamic issue. The problem is that there are terrorists from different religion. All religiona have bad eggs.


The third reason relates to two of you (oladim and sadiya). There are conservative and moderate versions of Islam but sone Muslims tend to deny the conservative side of Islam to appease or calm non-Muslims. This actually annoys the non-Muslims who see this as lies/taquiyah. Also, which version of Islam should non Muslims trust? The respected scholar who says Islam allows wife beating or the other scholar who says wife beating is not allowed in Islam?


For example, oladim001 and halimasadiya are both lying when they say Islam empowers women.

I once dated a muslimah. I was still a christian then. I almost died when some Muslims in the community found out. When I asked sly Muslim buddy why people were angry because of our relationship, she show ed me the quran passage that says a Muslim woman cam not marry a non-Muslim.

yes, a Muslim woman cant marry a non Muslim but a Muslim man is allowed to marry non Muslims especially Christians and Jews. Is that equality? Is that empowerment?


The quran broke my heart. I Had to break off the relationship. I almost even became a Muslim.

mr Jack sorry for ur loss;( becos one muslim or some sets of muslims did dt to u does nt mean dts d way all muslims do or re expectd to do u see i think u shud av more sense to think dt u shudnt judge a whole religion becos some people did something wrong to u nd plz can u tell me in d Qur'an where it is said dt a muslim iznt allowd to marry a muslim i keep saying dis wen u post plz post with facts nd ur sources nt dt you'd jst start saying wt doesnt make sense

HalimaSadiya:

Should I post bible passages where violence and all that is very much encouraged both in the old and new testaments ? Don't go there

Let's go there. Kindly note that christianity started in the new testament and only new testament verses quoted in proper context will be admitted as evidence.

PS: christianity is based on the teachings of christ same way islam is based on the teachings of mohamed, the only logical way to draw a comparison is to compare andd contrast the teachings and way of life of both religion's founder.

annunaki2:


Let's go there. Kindly note that christianity started in the new testament and only new testament verses quoted in proper context will be admitted as evidence.

PS: christianity is based on the teachings of christ same way islam is based on the teachings of mohamed, the only logical way to draw a comparison is to compare andd contrast the teachings and way of life of both religion's founder.

ooh u knw u re jst washing ur dirty linen in d public u can say christianity startd in d new testament so wts been written in d old testament or d old testament is nt d bible right looks lyk u're really confused

Oladim001:
mr Jack sorry for ur loss;( becos one muslim or some sets of muslims did dt to u does nt mean dts d way all muslims do or re expectd to do u see i think u shud av more sense to think dt u shudnt judge a whole religion becos some people did something wrong to u nd plz can u tell me in d Qur'an where it is said dt a muslim iznt allowd to marry a muslim i keep saying dis wen u post plz post with facts nd ur sources nt dt you'd jst start saying wt doesnt make sense

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O you who believe! When believing women come to you as fugitives (Muhājirāt), examine them (famtahinūhuna). Allah is best aware of their faith. Then, if you find them to be believing women, do not send them back to the disbelievers (kuffār). They are not lawful for them (the disbelievers), nor are they (the disbelievers) lawful for them.” Qur’an 60:10.
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The quran is clear on muslim women not marrying unbelievers.

What about wife beating. Why do some scholars support it and others do not?

HalimaSadiya:

Should I post bible passages where violence and all that is very much encouraged both in the old and new testaments ? Don't go there

Violence in the Bible was mentioned as stories of infighting between tribes never as explicit commands to carry out violence against unbelievers as it is in the Holy Koran.

HalimaSadiya:
With that mindset "we will conquer you anyday" how are you different from the so called extremists ? Your religion is peaceful huh ? Yet you want to dominate I thought you'd be praying for peace to reign & you had to dig up "notable Muslims" that converted I could also post a list of "notable christians" that converted to Islam and if your reply is going to be nothing but insults which is what you'll resort to lol don't quote me

Smh. He talked you didn't say a word, you liked his comment, I talk, u get infuriated. Lol, so you see we are of the same kind here. No one wants his religion to be given a bad name.

I will stop here. I have already said whatever I want to say. You can't rant on. Don't have time for this now.

Uyilredia and annunaki2 this is for you. The holy Bible encouraged
A. Killing of non believers : 1 Corinthians 16:22 , Leviticus 24: 13-16 , Deutronomy 17:12 & 17:2-5
B. Sexism : Leviticus 20:10
C. Slavery : 1Peter 2:18 , Leviticus 25:44-46 , Exodus 21:20-21 , Deutronomy 20:10-15
D. Denigration of handicapped people - Leviticus 21:17-23
E. Cannibalism - 2Kings -6:28-29
F. War - Rev 19:11 , 14
Didn't Jesus ask you to love your enemies , read - Rev 1:7 , Matthew 24:30 , 1 Corinthians 15:24 (All
Violence isn't it ? )
Second coming of Jesus too will be violent according to Revelation 19: 11-21
Also the bible has incestuous rape in 2 Kings 13:4 and incest in Gen 19 : 31-36
Also any offender must die in Genesis 38: 7-10
And don't tell me about how some are old testaments read what Jesus has to say about "old testaments" in Matthew 5:17
Now come and prove to me that only the Quran encourages violence I have a lot more about the "Holy Bible" to share and I have read each and every passage now deny all these BTW this is KJV Bible.

The Abrahams religions Christianity and islam have blood on their hands. Eastern religions are so peaceful

Islam is the worst religion so far in human history. Brutal and wicked beings. Well, their just trying to be like their gluttonuous, bloodthirsty, adulterer, sex machine called mohammed . Islam is never a religion of peace but of war violence and wreckless killings. Wait o. What do u call religion of peace? You call islam religion of peace while your heartless prophet order that you kill those contrary to your faith.

Please, when ever you talk about peace dont ever mention islam cos you guys dont worth it a bit. Satan driving force known as islam. Beware.

Actually you cannot try to justify what some so called Christians did. The thing is, does Christianity support any violent action based on the teaching of Christ and his apostles? If not then no one should ever say anything about Christianity based on what some people did who claims to be Christians, Christ who said turn the other cheek sure gave an ideal example for such. On the other way round it's not so about Islam because Islam mandates them to, if we're not seeing so much violence yet with the nearest ones among us, then we must be watchful as their book makes it clear when they have upper hand they implement same things we hear of in the middle east.

UyiIredia:


The Crusades where a legitimate response to Islamic aggression on European soil. The Slave Trade wasn't pioneered by Christianity though I have no doubt that so-called Christians took part. The KKK wasn't Christian at all but a bunch of white supremacists who hated blacks for NO just cause. Furthermore these things you mentioned were in the past in recent times Christians have not been violent.

Abegi, somehow i don't know where Muslims get their statistics from, they also claim they're the fastest growing religion today. The point is not about population but quality of the said Christian in regards to the faith.

gimakon:


No mine am. I wonder how many times I would have to tell the story of old religion, magic, sorcery Judaism and christianity on here before he reads and understand. Keep talking badly of Christians, we keep expanding as the largest religion everyday.

hahn:


Christianity was once known as the religion of peace. They went on to pioneer the crusades, the spanish inquisition, slave trade and the kkk.

Op, it is actually the other way round. Islam is intolerant of "human right"s let alone the right to one's belief.

Islam is a cancer and it also promotes a deep ignorance.

Oga we're humans, we claim to be clever. Would you judge me that tells my son not to steal when he then steals? Claiming we steal? I think not, that's the difference between Islam and Christianity, the bible doesn't support any evil act infact according to the bible any one who engage in such and dies at the process is hell bound, unlike Islam which the quran and the hadiths commands such.
Do not look at historical scenes from the old testament to make judgment but what Christianity is founded upon.

HalimaSadiya:

No my dear , they pretend in the name of Islam they are not real Muslims or else all Muslims around the globe would have been terrorists by now , so you mean the "Christains" who also kill for rituals , kidnap and all sorts are doing it also because of Religion no no no...condemn the people committing those crimes not the entire religion

Aunty, this is where we think even Muslims are ignorant of their own religion. If Muslims like you were truly aware and not brainwashed to accept Islam like that then your likes wouldn't be Muslims anymore, please could you take it as an assignment to study all your hadiths and quran for what it says and not what you extract from it. The quran commands any age to engage in those things not just that it is the people that should be blamed. On the other way round Christianity oppose any violent act a Christian might engage in as such cannot in anyway be led by the Holy Spirit which we rely upon to take actions. The books should be our reference point.

UyiIredia:


The Crusades where a legitimate response to Islamic aggression on European soil. The Slave Trade wasn't pioneered by Christianity though I have no doubt that so-called Christians took part. The KKK wasn't Christian at all but a bunch of white supremacists who hated blacks for NO just cause. Furthermore these things you mentioned were in the past in recent times Christians have not been violent.

Christians have not been violent in recent times bc they are not pressed by anyone, like Islam is been pressed today.

annunaki2:
@halimasadiya

Are you aware that there are 109 hateful terror inspiring verses in your quoran? That is apart from numerous others found in your sahih hadiths that informms us of the sunnah of mohammed which faithful muslims are meant to emulate.

Jst tell us 9 out of the 109.

JackBizzle:
@ halimasadiya and oladim001

You wonder why there is hate for Islam? There are 3 intertwined reasons.

1) ignorance about Islam
2) Islamic terrorism
3) defensive/lying Muslims.


For number one and two, some people see Muslim terrorists and assume foolishly that all Muslims are terrorists.

Also, I know some Christians who have lost some family to terrorists and they are bitter about it. They can't leave the anger against Islam because they see the terrorism as an Islamic issue. The problem is that there are terrorists from different religion. All religiona have bad eggs.


The third reason relates to two of you (oladim and sadiya). There are conservative and moderate versions of Islam but sone Muslims tend to deny the conservative side of Islam to appease or calm non-Muslims. This actually annoys the non-Muslims who see this as lies/taquiyah. Also, which version of Islam should non Muslims trust? The respected scholar who says Islam allows wife beating or the other scholar who says wife beating is not allowed in Islam?


For example, oladim001 and halimasadiya are both lying when they say Islam empowers women.

I once dated a muslimah. I was still a christian then. I almost died when some Muslims in the community found out. When I asked sly Muslim buddy why people were angry because of our relationship, she show ed me the quran passage that says a Muslim woman cam not marry a non-Muslim.

yes, a Muslim woman cant marry a non Muslim but a Muslim man is allowed to marry non Muslims especially Christians and Jews. Is that equality? Is that empowerment?


The quran broke my heart. I Had to break off the relationship. I almost even became a Muslim.

The Quran did that to protect our women, bc by tradition a woman when married leave her family to and go live with her husband, so if allowed the husband and his family may succeed in removing her from Islam and if she refused she may face certain challenges in her matrimonial home. As for Muslim men allowed to marry non Muslim it is true, bc Islam always want to bring people to its fold and discourage those within it from moving out. To you it may look weird or confusing.

Lol, these Christians and atheist kept saying the Quran encourage violence and hadith also encourage it, pls give us a quote, or a reference to the specific hadith or verse so that we can dissect it. Stop giving blank references or saying hearsays.

Leiman100:
This is the height of ignorance and stupidity, Christianity is the most violent and most wicked religion known to history: from the massacre of the crusade era to about 500 trans-atlantic slave trade,to to the sbjugation and the apartheid in America, Autralia, Palestine, South Africa and several other countries, to the first and the second world war that they killed and destroyed over fourty million souls(Adolf Hitler is a devot Catholic Christian) to the era of colonialism that they forced themselves into nations killed, rape and plunder resources of these countries and anywhere they go with their Christian missioneries. In recent times we all witness the illegal invasion of sovereign nations of Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya and on and on. Only Christian countries are legalizing prostitution, and gay marriages and want to force the world to go the same evil way. Is that is immorality and ungodliness the new Christian defination of civilization? All these devilish acts are resisting and will continue to resist till kingdom come call us any name you like we will never jettison our precious religion for thi nonsense!

What are you even saying oo? Is this how knowledgeable people think, can you tell me where in the bible supports these things you say? Rather i can tell you if those people didn't repent they're surely in hell already, adolf hitler can never be a true Christian and kill the jews that we respect alot, Through whom God blessed us with His Son and makes it clear He will curse those who curses them and blesa those who blesses them!
Make una no dey talk anyhow with absolutely no backings from Scriptures. Same Adolf hitler is captured on tape saying he respects Islam, why? It's clear Islam have like an eternal hatred for the jews.

Baaballiyo:


The Quran did that to protect our women, bc by tradition a woman when married leave her family to and go live with her husband, so if allowed the husband and his family may succeed in removing her from Islam and if she refused she may face certain challenges in her matrimonial home. As for Muslim men allowed to marry non Muslim it is true, bc Islam always want to bring people to its fold and discourage those within it from moving out. To you it may look weird or confusing.

So, you are telling me that the Quran reasons the same way racist, sexist, slaveholding American white men used to do. They would sleep with their black slaves but never allow their women to do the same.

Such a selfish religion. Despite christian women being able to marry non christian men, it has surpassed islam in size and numbers. Can you see how ridiculous the ruling that muslimahs should not marry non muslims is?

Baaballiyo:
Lol, these Christians and atheist kept saying the Quran encourage violence and hadith also encourage it, pls give us a quote, or a reference to the specific hadith or verse so that we can dissect it. Stop giving blank references or saying hearsays.

Even your clerics and scholars refer to the violent medina verses.

There are so many articles on the duality of islam- the peaceful mecca or the violent medina.


Keep on pretending and adding to the problem;

JackBizzle:
@ halimasadiya and oladim001
You wonder why there is hate for Islam? There are 3 intertwined reasons.
1) ignorance about Islam
2) Islamic terrorism
3) defensive/lying Muslims.

The third reason relates to two of you (oladim and sadiya). There are conservative and moderate versions of Islam but sone Muslims tend to deny the conservative side of Islam to appease or calm non-Muslims. This actually annoys the non-Muslims who see this as lies/taquiyah. Also, which version of Islam should non Muslims trust? The respected scholar who says Islam allows wife beating or the other scholar who says wife beating is not allowed in Islam?

tosinjay:

Oga we're humans, we claim to be clever. Would you judge me that tells my son not to steal when he then steals? Claiming we steal? I think not, that's the difference between Islam and Christianity, the bible doesn't support any evil act infact according to the bible any one who engage in such and dies at the process is hell bound, unlike Islam which the quran and the hadiths commands such.
Do not look at historical scenes from the old testament to make judgment but what Christianity is founded upon.

Bro, there is nothing more evil than threatening someone in hell. You need to read your bible more often to read up on how Jehovah committed lots of crimes against humanity.

At the end of the day, Christianity and Islam are just opposite sides of the coin.

Leiman100:
This is the height of ignorance and stupidity, Christianity is the most violent and most wicked religion known to history: from the massacre of the crusade era to about 500 trans-atlantic slave trade,to to the sbjugation and the apartheid in America, Autralia, Palestine, South Africa and several other countries, to the first and the second world war that they killed and destroyed over fourty million souls(Adolf Hitler is a devot Catholic Christian) to the era of colonialism that they forced themselves into nations killed, rape and plunder resources of these countries and anywhere they go with their Christian missioneries. In recent times we all witness the illegal invasion of sovereign nations of Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya and on and on. Only Christian countries are legalizing prostitution, and gay marriages and want to force the world to go the same evil way. Is that is immorality and ungodliness the new Christian defination of civilization? All these devilish acts are resisting and will continue to resist till kingdom come call us any name you like we will never jettison our precious religion for thi nonsense!

You are a liar my lieman100. Your name portrays who you are. Christianity is not defined by Adolt Hitler, pope or any other person but by the founder, Jesus christ. The acts and teachings of christ defines christianity. I know you are trying to play the doctrine of 'moral relativeness' by insinuating that 'if you say islam is violent, christianity (or christians) is also violent.

Lets look at both the quran and the hadith to proove a few point, from the founder of islam himself:

The apostle of allahh (not God) said: I have been ordered to fight the people until they say 'there is no god but allahh' (sahih Bhukari 1:8:387). Fight against those who do not believe in allahh or the last days...(quran 9:29).

The apostle of allahh (mohammed, heat be upon him) said that he had been made victorious through terror (sahih bhukhari 4:52:220).

So the foundation of islam had been through war and violent as commanded by the sole apostle of allahh. That is why the advancement of islam, in the medival period, had been through terror, war, raping and looting, in obedience to the sunnah of the islamic prophet.

Leiman100:
This is the height of ignorance and stupidity, Christianity is the most violent and most wicked religion known to history: from the massacre of the crusade era to about 500 trans-atlantic slave trade,to to the sbjugation and the apartheid in America, Autralia, Palestine, South Africa and several other countries, to the first and the second world war that they killed and destroyed over fourty million souls(Adolf Hitler is a devot Catholic Christian) to the era of colonialism that they forced themselves into nations killed, rape and plunder resources of these countries and anywhere they go with their Christian missioneries. In recent times we all witness the illegal invasion of sovereign nations of Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya and on and on. Only Christian countries are legalizing prostitution, and gay marriages and want to force the world to go the same evil way. Is that is immorality and ungodliness the new Christian defination of civilization? All these devilish acts are resisting and will continue to resist till kingdom come call us any name you like we will never jettison our precious religion for thi nonsense!

You are a liar my lieman100. Your name portrays who you are. Christianity is not defined by Adolt Hitler, pope or any other person but by the founder, Jesus christ. The acts and teachings of christ defines christianity. I know you are trying to play the doctrine of 'moral relativeness' by insinuating that 'if you say islam is violent, christianity (or christians) is also violent.

Lets look at both the quran and the hadith to proove a few point, from the founder of islam himself:

The apostle of allahh (not God) said: I have been ordered to fight the people until they say 'there is no god but allahh' (sahih Bhukari 1:8:387). Fight against those who do not believe in allahh or the last days...(quran 9:29).

The apostle of allahh (mohammed, heat be upon him) said that he had been made victorious through terror (sahih bhukhari 4:52:220).

So the foundation of islam had been through war and violent as commanded by the sole apostle of allahh. That is why the advancement of islam, in the medival period, had been through terror, war, raping and looting, in obedience to the sunnah of the islamic prophet.

Mind you, the first major arab war was between the sunnis and the shia, and they have not yet signed any peace agreement and will never.

HalimaSadiya:

It's okay but you're only insinuating all Muslim women are violent like I could also conclude that all hookers are Christian women , how dumb is that assumption ?

You are very funny associating hookers with christianity. While christianity frowned at prostitution and fornication, islam make it a religious practice and the call it 'nikah mutua', temporary marriage.

In nikah mutua, a muslim can 'marry' a lady today and divorce her tomorrow after satisfying himself sexually and allahh will not count it for him as a sin. It is right there in the quran and the hadith.

Islam frown at indecency but mohammed, at 54, slept with 9 year old little aisha who, in this modern world, will still be in primary 4. And your greatest apostle slept with a girl who will be in primary 4 in this modern age and time.

Islam is a decent religion and yet your greatest prophet permitted marriage of small children (quran 65:4) and your prophet propossed a maximum of 4 wives for muslims but maintained over 11 wives and concubines. What a bloody hypocrite he was!