raumdeuter:


That means every time he makes the CL he is guaranteed of a semi final slot. No other coach can say that
Some coaches havent made the CL semi in a long time
Pep makes CL semi look so easy that its not even counted as an achievement for him while thats the highest Jose has ever achieved with Chelsea in 6 attempts and over 500M spent
Thats the reason Pep hasnt been fired in his career, I know a certain coach who cant say the same thing

7 straight Semis?? I know someone who went 9 years without losing a league game at home
If na record,Jose will destroy Pep


José has created a record in every Job he had,records that still stands till date..
When Pep took Bayern job,everyone expected him to win the league and UCL...He won the league like David Moyes would with that team
Didn't break any league record,Not one.... Goals scored? Conceded? Points?? Nothing

Pep made the Semis playing Shaktar and Porto,still he didn't win up to 5 UCL away games in the knockout stages....We all know UCL away games are the test of the tactical strength of a Coach,Pep failed that woefully....

Jose has been fired because he is not the kinda guy that backs down from a bad situation unlike a guy I knows that ran away with the sabbatical excuse after just 3 years of coaching


Everytime Pep faced a team as strong as Bayern when his tactical sense was needed,he failed... ....He only won the UCL with a Barca team no one could equal
Mourinho wins the UCL with teams like Porto,Pep loses to teams like Porto

Please no one should encourage Dayo in his mischief and pranks.

The discuss was never about MOU vs Pep. Dayo is trying to be a smartarss as usual. Please pay no attention to him. Not especially when he declares the entire mancity squad useless because they are over 30years of age. History says that theory is false.

All we want to see is the genius perform his miracle by dorminating the epl. No stories. No mou vs pep. Just pep fraudiola dorminating the epl .

Thank you.

Dadehmola:


Real Madrid should win joor...

All those Barca fans wey carry Madrid matter for head like weave - I no go mind make them commit suicide (especially for that dia NL thread)

I no know wetin dey worry those Barca guys sef, despite their successes over the last few years. The amount of bad belle them dey show dey really disgusting.

Debroslink:
Did I just read here that Mou has nothing to prove at United? I thought most United fans are more intelligent than most Chelsea fans?

A coach almost relegated the defending champion and was sacked, got employed by a bigger club, and some fans are saying he has nothing to prove?

Please guys, be objective.

What is there to win that he hasn't won before? What does he have to prove? That he can win the EPL title? That he can win the Epl title at first attempt? That he can finish second or third? That he can almost relegate a team? Tell me please, what does he have to prove really?

Jose has won the league at first attempt, let pep do the same, pep has a lot more to prove than Jose

SailorXY:
why the greed? Make others too win some abeg.

I know it will pain Barca fans.
not like am a big cr7 fan.

diggz:


Bros please do not drag me into you pep vs mou talk. I only got involved in the discuss because of the way you kept presenting the 30yrs myth which you have woefully failed to defend.

Now you want to drag me into your yeye pep vs mou discuss. I no get that time. If you like declare mou a failure and pep a genius I don't give 2s. Its your opinion and I do not have any problem with it.

Just stop labelling city as a weak squad with old players. It is totally wrong.

Even the Juve team you kept banging about had a young team apart from their defence which doesn't require much running by the way.
The likes of Pogba, Vidal, Marchiso, Morata, Llorente, Bonucci, Perreya were all below 30 marks.
We know what happened to the aged Inter team after they got to the final. They all looked average afterwards, meaning the decline had already set in but the Juve team is still growing stronger despite losing Tevez, Pirlo and Vidal because it was a young team despite their aged defence.

dopeJemi:


What is there to win that he hasn't won before? What does he have to prove? That he can win the EPL title? That he can win the Epl title at first attempt? That he can finish second or third? That he can almost relegate a team? Tell me please, what does he have to prove really?

Jose has won the league at first attempt, let pep do the same, pep has a lot more to prove than Jose

Lol!
Mourinho has plenty to prove. Saying otherwise is foolishness at its peak.
First, this the first time he would inherit an average squad which lacked many qualities unlike his previous teams which always had enough quality to begin with.
Secondly, he would also have to prove that his bleep up at Chelsea was a one off and not a sign of decline.
Just like Pep, he would have to prove that he has it in him to win trophy in the league without having the required 'ingredient' at his disposal' after all Van gaal won the FA cup with the same squad.

Diademk07:

Even the Juve team you kept banging about had a young team apart from their defence which doesn't require much running by the way.
The likes of Pogba, Vidal, Marchiso, Morata, Llorente, Bonucci, Perreya were all below 30 marks.
We know what happened to the aged Inter team after they got to the final. They all looked average afterwards, meaning the decline had already set in but the Juve team is still growing stronger despite losing Tevez, Pirlo and Vidal because it was a young team despite their aged defence.

You don't know what you are talking about obviously.

Please use Google to very their ages.

You are not Dayo and jamming talk together is not one of your skillsets so just move on.

I am not here to defend or discuss how inter faired after the UCL finals. I only brought inter,juventus and CFC into the discuss to disprove dayos myth on 30years and above age, as a barrier for non-performance as in the case of man City.

AdeLaNa1:
Lol! U're only proving Doc's point.
Nobody knew Pep b4 he signed for Barca. Nobody knew Enrique b4 he came to Barca. What does that tell u??

Anyone who coaches Barca is coming in as an automatic winner.

Why didnt Tata Martino win anything hence the sack letter?

diggz:


You don't know what you are talking about obviously.

Please use Google to very their ages.

You are not Dayo and jamming talk together is not one of your skillsets so just move on.

I am not here to defend or discuss how inter faired after the UCL finals. I only brought inter,juventus and CFC into the discuss to disprove dayos myth on 30years and above age, as a barrier for non-performance as in the case of man City.

Without google, I can bodly state that the likes of Vidal, Pogba, Morata, Perreya were/are still below 30.
While the likes of Bonucci and Marchiso were 28 and 29 respectively last year. They were well below 30 apart from their aged defence.

Diademk07:

Without google, I can bodly state that the likes of Vidal, Pogba, Morata, Perreya were/are still below 30.
While the likes of Bonucci and Marchiso were 28 and 29 respectively last year. They were well below 30 apart from their aged defence.

I can't see llorente on your list anymore.

Oga before you start jumping upandan here, the age issue was never about the attack, midfield or defense. It was about the number of 30years and above players in the squad. You can do your self and us some favour by going to read where it started from. I no get power to dey go back and forth with you this morning. Thank you.

ollah1:


Why didnt Tata Martino win anything hence the sack letter?

He won the Spanish super cup and he almost won the la liga, lost it on the last day.

He won his first el Classico, was the first Barca coach to go unbeaten in his first 16 matches.

He wasn't much of a success compared to Enrique or Pep but don't make it look like he found it difficult to manage Barcelona. He didn't even get as much support as Enrique did and things could have turned out differently. Barcelona broke their transfer record to sign a world class CF in Suarez and he's really immense to their success in the following season.

We have better instances infact. Was it not the same Barcelona with a sick coach who requested a 3 months medical leave and still managed to amass 100 points to win la liga with 4 games to go? Didn't they reach the semi finals of the copa del rey and CL that season too?

There's no debate here. Barcelona has had a world class squad for over a decade and a good system to boot and it's far more easier for a coach to achieve success there than even other top clubs

afrodoc2:


The moot point is the fact that world class players in a team increase the probability of success.
The underhand tactic is projecting what a manager would do without waiting to find out what players he has at his disposal.

If it was Sunderland that appointed Mourinho would you still have held him to the same expectations you are making now he is in charge of United?

I know people use the Bayern team as a Stick to beat Pep but then the squad left behind by the previous coach, although a quality one was an injury prone squad. The 3 most important players of that squad (Ribery, Robben, Bastian) were quite injuryprone and were already ageing. Maybe he could have won atleast a CL with that squad but the good thing is that he left them in better shape than he met them.
Players like Kimmich, Thiago, Costa, Coman and Lewy are all young quality players having atleast 8-10 quality years ahead of them and there's the likes of Muller, ALaba, Vidal and Boateng to complement them. Bayern couldn't have asked for anything more.
The point is he's shown that he's capable of building a team which Mourinho has never shown apart from lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams.

Diademk07:

I know people use the Bayern team as a Stick to beat Pep but then the squad left behind by the previous coach, although a quality one was an injury prone squad. The 3 most important players of that squad (Ribery, Robben, Bastian) were quite injuryprone and were already ageing. Maybe he could have won atleast a CL with that squad but the good thing is that he left them in better shape than he met them.
Players like Kimmich, Thiago, Costa, Coman and Lewy are all young quality players having atleast 8-10 quality years ahead of them and there's the likes of Muller, ALaba, Vidal and Boateng to complement them. Bayern couldn't have asked for anything more.
The point is he's shown that he's capable of building a team which Mourinho has never shown apart from lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams.

Guy you chat too much crazy stuff for your sanity.

What is the meaning of lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams? Are you sure you are ok at all?

Lewy,Vidal, thiago and co. fell from heaven abi? Stop this your yeye talk,it is annoying die....!

bigkesh:

7 straight Semis?? I know someone who went 9 years without losing a league game at home
If na record,Jose will destroy Pep


José has created a record in every Job he had,records that still stands till date..
When Pep took Bayern job,everyone expected him to win the league and UCL...He won the league like David Moyes would with that team
Didn't break any league record,Not one.... Goals scored? Conceded? Points?? Nothing

Pep made the Semis playing Shaktar and Porto,still he didn't win up to 5 UCL away games in the knockout stages....We all know UCL away games are the test of the tactical strength of a Coach,Pep failed that woefully....

Jose has been fired because he is not the kinda guy that backs down from a bad situation unlike a guy I knows that ran away with the sabbatical excuse after just 3 years of coaching


Everytime Pep faced a team as strong as Bayern when his tactical sense was needed,he failed... ....He only won the UCL with a Barca team no one could equal
Mourinho wins the UCL with teams like Porto,Pep loses to teams like Porto

At the emboldened, Enrique did that in his first attempt. Beating the EPL and Ligue 1 champions black and blue but since its Enrique and it's Barcelona, he doesn't deserve any credit. It's the players that deserves all the credit.

Anybody that win with Barcelona but Enrique defeated different countries league winners home and away yet he won't be appreciated.

Hypocrisy at its peak

ollah1:



At the emboldened, Enrique did that in his first attempt. Beating the EPL and Ligue 1 champions black and blue but since its Enrique and it's Barcelona, he doesn't deserve any credit. It's the players that deserves all the credit.

Anybody that win with Barcelona but Enrique defeated different countries league winners home and away yet he won't be appreciated.

Hypocrisy at its peak

We are talking about Pep and Jose.....When we get to Wenger and Pochettino we will let you know then you can bring Enrique into the discussion

diggz:


I can't see llorente on your list anymore.

Oga before you start jumping upandan here, the age issue was never about the attack, midfield or defense. It was about the number of 30years and above players in the squad. You can do your self and us some favour by going to read where it started from. I no get power to dey go back and forth with you this morning. Thank you.

I understood the discourse quite well.
It was about the number of 30's players in the starting team at the final..
Juve had a mix of both young and old players and weren't total made of old players like you alluded.
The point is players in their 30's are bound to decline fast from then onward except if they are managed well by mixing them with quality young players who could compensate for their ageing legs.
Milan failed to do that with Pirlo when majority of their players were already declining after their domination, Juve swooped in for Pirlo and did great with him. Same with Scholes for us.
When you look at City, you would notice that their most important players like Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, Fernandinho, Zabaleta are already on the other side of age yet I can't find any young quality player in the mix apart from De Bruyne.
The likes of Navas, Kompany, Bony and Sterling are pure average or just decent.

Diademk07:

I know people use the Bayern team as a Stick to beat Pep but then the squad left behind by the previous coach, although a quality one was an injury prone squad. The 3 most important players of that squad (Ribery, Robben, Bastian) were quite injuryprone and were already ageing. Maybe he could have won atleast a CL with that squad but the good thing is that he left them in better shape than he met them.
Players like Kimmich, Thiago, Costa, Coman and Lewy are all young quality players having atleast 8-10 quality years ahead of them and there's the likes of Muller, ALaba, Vidal and Boateng to complement them. Bayern couldn't have asked for anything more.
The point is he's shown that he's capable of building a team which Mourinho has never shown apart from lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams.

Weyrey leleyi oo

diggz:
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Guy you chat too much crazy stuff for your sanity.

What is the meaning of lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams? Are you sure you are ok at all?

Lewy,Vidal, thiago and co. fell from heaven abi? Stop this your yeye talk,it is annoying die....!

You think. Mourinho would have swooped in for untested young player like Thiago?
ALso, Pep wanted Neymar to lead his attack but the board got him Gotze and Lewy beacies they are wry of brazilians..

Diademk07:

I know people use the Bayern team as a Stick to beat Pep but then the squad left behind by the previous coach, although a quality one was an injury prone squad. The 3 most important players of that squad (Ribery, Robben, Bastian) were quite injuryprone and were already ageing. Maybe he could have won atleast a CL with that squad but the good thing is that he left them in better shape than he met them.
Players like Kimmich, Thiago, Costa, Coman and Lewy are all young quality players having atleast 8-10 quality years ahead of them and there's the likes of Muller, ALaba, Vidal and Boateng to complement them. Bayern couldn't have asked for anything more.
The point is he's shown that he's capable of building a team which Mourinho has never shown apart from lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams.

If you really know how Bayern is run currently, you'd be a fool to state that Pep is solely responsible for those transfers. Alaba, Muller, Boateng were even there before him. So you are branding Kimmich a quality player already and Thiago who has proved nothing at Bayern a quality player too?
Mourinho is very capable of building good squads. This your BS talk is unending. The core of the Chelsea's squad that won the CL was the one left by Mourinho. Ancelloti used the Madrid squad that Mourinho built to win the CL with the only significant addition being bale who was acquired for a world record fee.

Diademk07:

I understood the discourse quite well.
It was about the number of 30's players in the starting team at the final..
Juve had a mix of both young and old players and weren't total made of old players like you alluded.
The point is players in their 30's are bound to decline fast from then onward except if they are managed well by mixing them with quality young players who could compensate for their ageing legs.
Milan failed to do that with Pirlo when majority of their players were already declining after their domination, Juve swooped in for Pirlo and did great with him. Same with Scholes for us.
When you look at City, you would notice that their most important players like Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, Fernandinho, Zabaleta are already on the other side of age yet I can't find any young quality player in the mix apart from De Bruyne.
The likes of Navas, Kompany, Bony and Sterling are pure average or just decent.

What nonsense finals? Have city ever played in any ucl finals before?

You don't understand Jack, and I stopped reading @ the bolded.

Dayo only inserted that yeye finals line after he couldn't defend his 30years theory. So just move on since you obviously don't know what this is about.

GBR1:

He won the Spanish super cup and he almost won the la liga, lost it on the last day.

He won his first el Classico, was the first Barca coach to go unbeaten in his first 16 matches.

He wasn't much of a success compared to Enrique or Pep but don't make it look like he found it difficult to manage Barcelona. He didn't even get as much support as Enrique did and things could have turned out differently. Barcelona broke their transfer record to sign a world class CF in Suarez and he's really immense to their success.

We have better instances infact. Was it not the same Barcelona with a sick coach who requested a 3 months medical leave and still managed to amass 100 points to win la liga with 4 games to go? Didn't they reach the semi finals of the copa del rey and CL that season too?

There's no debate here. Barcelona has had a world class squad for over a decade and it's not more easier for a coach to achieve success there.

The team you regard as world class is built by who? Who reinvented the structure? Tata won just a trophy but Pep and Enrique won loads of trophies yet it's easy to win with Barca.

You guys just amaze me. When Pep and Enrique win things then it's the team but if another coach then it's superman in them

@ kagawa10

On a second thought I forced my self to read your rubbish as usual and guess what, you are full of shyyyyyte!

Aguero is on the order side of 30? You are definitely not ok.

Silva just completed 30 in January this year but he is already on the order side of 30.

Please just fvck offfff!

ollah1:



The team you regard as world class is built by who? Who reinvented the structure? Tata won just a trophy but Pep and Enrique won loads of trophies yet it's easy to win with Barca.

You guys just amaze me. When Pep and Enrique win things then it's the team but if another coach then it's superman in them

Are you trying claim Pep is responsible for Barcelona's Academy success? I know you are a Pep fan but you should be more objective than this.
In 2008 when Barcelona needed a coach, why did you think Barcelona's board found it so easy to overlook the CV of top coaches then and give a rookie like Pep the job? Pep turned out a good coach or he's a really good coach but those folks knew exactly what they were doing.
Pep reached 2 CL finals in 3 years with Barcelona easily but he couldn't go past the semi finals in 3 same years with Bayern? What has changed if not the team and the players? Here I'm being nice by not saying he took over a Bayern team that just won the CL, a team that made 2 consecutive CL finals, a team that made 3 CL finals in 4 years and he made them lose disgracefully (5-0) at his first attempt to Real Madrid who had not made a CL final in over 11 years. How can you defend him here?
Do you know how many Barcelona players formed the core of the Spain team that dominated football and won every trophy possible between 2008-2012 including the World Cup and 2 euros?
Was it Pep managing them too then?
How much credit do Aragones and Del Bosque even get compared to Pep?
What silly structure are you referencing here as invented by Pep? You mean the same tiki-taka that Spain used to win euros 2008 pre Pep?

Your points are too easy to pick out. You need to do better than this or this debate won't last very long. Better still, call Dayo and your fellow Barcelona friends for help as you guys are used to doing and it still won't be enough.

ollah1:



The team you regard as world class is built by who? Who reinvented the structure? Tata won just a trophy but Pep and Enrique won loads of trophies yet it's easy to win with Barca.

You guys just amaze me. When Pep and Enrique win things then it's the team but if another coach then it's superman in them

Same peeps will yab Wenger for not winning EPL for over 10 years knowing fully well he never managed a big and expensive team of players during the said period.
Isn't it hypocrisy when you claim Wenger has no excuse and you already want to use same to defend MOU.
Leave them let them keep shooting themselves in the feet

Diademk07:

You think. Mourinho would have swooped in for untested young player like Thiago?
ALso, Pep wanted Neymar to lead his attack but the board got him Gotze and Lewy beacies they are wry of brazilians..

Keep quite and stop talking like an e-eeeediot.

Mou wouldn't have swooped for thiago yet cech got his chance at what age under mou?

Mou wouldn't have swooped for thiago but, he was busy chasing after useless untested stones for how much?

If you don't have thing useful to say why not move on instead of lying everywhere and making no sense.

diggz:



Keep quite and stop talking like an e-eeeediot.

Mou wouldn't have swooped for thiago yet cech got his chance at what age under mou?

Mou wouldn't have swooped for thiago but, he was busy chasing after useless untested stones for how much?

If you don't have thing useful to say why not move on instead of lying everywhere and making no sense.

That guy is a confirmed lunatic. United and opposition fans have branded him one alike. You expect such BS from him.

kokaneprodigy:

Same peeps will yab Wenger for not winning EPL for over 10 years knowing fully well he never managed a big and expensive team of players during the said period.
Isn't it hypocrisy when you claim Wenger has no excuse and you already want to use same to defend MOU.
Leave them let them keep shooting themselves in the feet

Oga how much did raneiri spend to win the league?

Wenger his a glorified failure of a manager, simple as ABC!

If it's only by money let wenger spend and win the league too.

GBR1:

That guy is a confirmed lunatic. United and opposition fans have branded him one alike. You expect such BS from him.

Bro I tire for the guy mehn.

diggz:


Oga how much did raneiri spend to win the league?

Wenger his a glorified failure of a manager, simple as ABC!

If it's only by money let wenger spend and win the league too.

Eediot I knew you'll say that. How come you and ur peeps are now saying 4th is acceptable for MOU since he might not have same squad as city, bloody hypocrites.
No one has any excuse of not winning it period!!!!.

manure cretins now hope for fourphy, after spending 2 seasons in 3 out of top four despite splashing £250M they now know making top four year in year out no be beans

ollah1:


Why didnt Tata Martino win anything hence the sack letter?

U no get point. All u're doing is grasping for straws.

Of all 4 managers to ve coached Barca since Rijkaard only Tata Martino was the most tactically inept. That one's game plan was to always pass the ball forward to Messi. Instead of allowing the team free reins in attack.
But the dude still won Super Cup, lost final of Copa Del Rey, got to ucl semifinal and lost the league on the final day.

Which still serves to butress the point that it doesn't take a genius to coach Barca and win something. The team is just dat good. Put the likes of Wenger and Moyes in Barca and dey'll win u trophies.....