This just shows how ignorant you are, Nothing I had said' made a difference to you, you need to slow yourself down. We have answered most of your questionnaires, and still you had refused to return your answers concerning who Jesus is 'to His Father.
Does Jesus have a God At this moment?
The answer to this question is yes and no, In order to properly address this question, we have to learn a little biblical theology and a little logic.
First of all "Jesus has two natures; divine and human.
Second "Jesus was made under the law {Galatians 4:4} and was made for a while A little lower then the angels {Hebrews 2:9} As someone who was under the law it would be necessary for Jesus to obey the law, and worship God {In this case the Father John 17:5}
Thirdly "We have to be careful with the Word "God" we don't want to commit the logical fallacy of equivocation where the meaning of the word changes as we are using it. Let me clarify: With the next two sentences, notice the word "God" is used in each.
{1} The trinity is the teaching that the One God of all existence consist of 3 divine persons: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
{2} The Father is God, The Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
In sentence number {1} The Word "God" is a quantitative, dealing with how many god's there are.
In sentence {2} The Word "God" qualitative, dealing with nature, that is the nature of divinity.
Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law {Galatians 4:4}
Jesus had humbled Himself and emptied Himself in the incarnation and was cooperating with the limitations of being a man while acting under Jewish Law. {Philippians 2:5-8}
Also Jesus is still a man {1 Timothy 2:5, Colossians 2:9} And will be a man forever {1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 6:20, 7:25} Therefore it can be said that Jesus, the man, had someone he would call His God. And He was a reference to the Father, {Since He will always be a man, as well as divine} He will always have someone He will call His God, but this is in reference to God the Father.
That does not mean that Jesus does not share the same divine nature as God the Father since the bible say's that Jesus is also God made man. {John 1:1, 14, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He say's, YOUR THRONE "O GOD" IS FOREVER AND EVER}

dolphinheart:


it's not necessary you answer all at once, any one you answer will be released from the list.

I've been asking questions so as to get answers !


Lets exhaust this present and still mounting set of questions first!
I've noted the above , might bring it up again later

good, you can add this question to the others, or still better, use it to answer them!


meanwhile ,issues, questions and request still pending :
you said : "We have never denied Jesus has a God"

then this question should not be too hard for you to answer
1.DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD AT THIS MOMENT?
2. DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD HE IS SUBJECTED TO AT THIS MOMENT?
3. CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE A GOD?
4 . CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD BE SUBJECTED TO ANYONE?
readers should take note that he did not answer


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1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

solite3:
[/b] @ bold God and angel's do not share the same nature, angels are ministering spirits, God is not.
May God forgive you trying to make God an angel. God and angels do not have same nature as spirit

God is what ? spirit ( john 4:24)

he make his angels what ? Spirit psalm 104:4

i dont know whats hard for u in this

johnw74:


brave false jw's reply to me in a language I don't know

when false jw posts a lie which is most of the time,
other pharisee jw's give their posts, likes

How was I suppose to know what your language is Mr?

brocab:
Jesus is not Michael the Archangel.
The bible no-where Identify's Jesus is Michael {Or any other Angel for that matter} {Hebrews 1:5-8} Draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels:
"For to which of the angels did God ever say you are My Son, today I have become your Father? Or again and I will be His Father and He will be My Son? And again when God brings His first-born into the world, He says let all Gods angels worship Him. In speaking of the angels He say's, He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire, "But about His Son 'God say's "Your throne "O God" will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your Kingdom.
The hierarchy of heavenly beings is made clear in this passage.
Angels worship Jesus who, as God, is alone worthy of worship. No angel is ever worshipped in scripture; therefore, Jesus{worthy of worship} cannot be Michael or any other angel {Not worthy to worship} The angels are called sons of God {Genesis 6:2-4, Job 1:6,2:1, 38:7} But Jesus is called THE Son of God.

Michael the archangel is perhaps the highest of all the angels. Michael is the only angel in the bible, who is designated "The Archangel"
{Jude 1:9} Michael the archangel, though, is only an angel. He is not God.
The clear distinction in the power and the authority of Michael and Jesus can be seen and comparing in {Matthew 4:10} Where Jesus rebukes Satan, and {Jude 1:9} where Michael the archangel "dared not to bring a judgement of blasphemy against Satan and calls on the Lord to rebuke Him.
Jesus is God incarnated {John 1:1, 14} Michael the archangel is a powerful angel but still only an angel.
I do hope this will give you some insight who Jesus and Michael really are. God's word can only speak in truth. It just show's the world 'how Nuts your religion really sounds. Jesus is not Michael the archangel.

Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term “archangel” in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel.
In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.


I hope that this answers you.

solite3:
you cannot know God when you keep on denying the son.
Yes the scriptures contains what we need to know about God but Jesus is the full and final revelation of God, without him you will be blind.

see how shallow your thinking is, you think you know Jesus when you claim he is same as the father?
You clearly know nothing about Jesus because he never claim to be his God and farther.

zodiakzax:
am just very surprise at how low you have fallen, very sad, hmm look at the Hebrews 1 again and see if the writer was referring to God or to the Son?

Hebrews 1:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
    the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
    with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
10 And,

“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands;

The statement is clearly about the Son. Either way if it was about the Father, you people wouldn't have changed verse 8 by saying " God is your throne forever" you have yet again change scripture for your own use. The original as it reads was " to the Son he says: thy throne,o God, is fore ever and ever. Which was taken from Psalm 45:6 (let's see how you can defend this) and your bible blashemeously changed it in Ps. 45:6 again, go and do your research and get the original Hebrew mss and verify yourself. Now if you still think that verse is talking about God then your people would have changed Lord in verse 10 as Jehovah as they've always been doing when Lord refers to God. So why didn't they use Jehovah in this statement but used Lord instead? That is because they knew who it was referring to and that person was Christ. Other than that they would have been admitting Christ is jehovah which is very clear in the statement. The "And" in vs 10 meant that the writer was still talking about the Son from vs 8, surely any learned person can see that.

sir I never said it was about the father na, neither did I said it was about God, pls read my post very very well before trying to degrade, because if you have taken time to go through it, you would not have said the above. I hope you will see the points listed their.

sorry that the other parts of my reply to the main post is taking time, will continue on it later. Just posted this to clear the wrong understandING up

So being in God's nature make him his father?
Does that take away the fact Jesus have a God, creator and farther?

zodiakzax:
yet again you are talking like a child. Which scripture states that Christ was created by God? Show me please: And am telling you that just as the man is the head of the woman doesn't make the man less human than the woman. It seems you do not comprehend this statement. Jesus is God because He has the same nature as God. God the Father is the head in position not in nature. You still can't comprehend this. Pls let your other brothers talk on your behalf bcs it seems you don't know what you are talking about. Am still waiting for the verse that says God created Christ. Then you will see your folly.

As regarding Christ nature as a man in heaven.
First, the resurrection of Christ proves this, for Jesus himself said he is not a spirit luke24:39
Secondly, the priesthood of Christ shows Christ is still a man in heaven.
First let us look at who an high priest is
An high priest is someone who represent man to God, he is an intercessor heb5:1
Qualification of an high priest
1.He must be ordained by God, in the old times it was through casting lots
2. He Must be a man heb 1:5,2:11. It has never been heard of, for a SPIRIT to be an high priest for men. Never
3. He must be perfect, that's the reason he had to make sacrifice first for his own sin. Heb 9:7
4. He must be compassionate. Heb 5:2

For Christ to be a qualified high priest he must meet these requirement which include he being a man.
Since Christ is an high priest forever heb 5:6. He must have his human nature forever but will be made subject.( I will expansiate on this later)

[quote author=solite3 post=46136348][/quote]
God , Christ and the angels are all spirit beings, thats their form.

CAPTIVATOR:


God is what ? spirit ( john 4:24)

he make his angels what ? Spirit psalm 104:4

i dont know whats hard for u in this

that does not mean they have same nature.

Quote> Can the almighty God have a God? "Yes" to this question" {divine nature} Lets read what the bible say's "God called Jesus "God" in {Hebrews 1:8} But of the Son He say's your throne "O GOD" Is forever and ever. So yes God the Father called Jesus God, Not a god, but God.
Quote> Does Jesus have a God at the moment.
Yes" Jesus also has the Holy Spirit and He is part of the divine nature with The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. {1 John 5:7}
Quote> Does Jesus have a God He is subjected at this moment. Jesus sits at God's right hand side in heaven {Mark 16:19}
Quote> Can the Almighty God be subjected to anyone? "Yes" God had raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Jesus Christ {Ephesians 2:6}
Now you can answer one for me, Is Jesus a divine being with the Father?

dolphinheart:


then this question should not be too hard for you to answer
1.DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD AT THIS MOMENT?
2. DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD HE IS SUBJECTED TO AT THIS MOMENT?
3. CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE A GOD?
4 . CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD BE SUBJECTED TO ANYONE?
readers should take note and see if he answers


ONE WHAT!, and you answer should be surpported with the scriptures.
christians already know Jesus and the father are one, the same way jesus disciples will be one with both jesus and the father, but that does not make the disciples almighty God!
the father is greater than I am, Jesus said!



is the holy spirit mentioned in John 1:1?, wow! I kinda missed that, hope you are not spewing another lie!


pls always support your theories with scriptural proofs pls.



ha, so one person exists in the other two persons witout confusion or separation, likewise the other person's exists in the other two persons too.Haba, so who now is the person, is it the father , or the son, or the holy spirit, who now controls this three persons that is in one person that is now in the three persons! I bow for you o, no wonder it is difficult for me to work out.
brocab, that the father dwells in Jesus does not mean jesus is the father!
their relationship shows they are two seperate persons

I prefer this :
the father and jesus are distinguishable persons, each with a name.
when they are together, Stephen knew who was who and said so
when they where not together, the disciples knew who was who and distinguished them.
Jesus has said the father is his God and our God, I follow jesus example
jesus said the father is greater than he is , I believe Jesus
jesus does the will of the father, but he also has his own will.
there are record's of jesus talking to the father and the father talking to jesus, thus they are two seperate persons

therefore the question , which of these two persons is who was, who is and who is to come?
it has never been recorded that both of them are talking at the same time, so pls who is talking there? You can't both be correct cus jesus and the father are not the same person?
it seems you dnt even understand what the word person means!

brocab issues stiLl at hand:

issues at hand:
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
And a host of others
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

goodnews201668:
So being in God's nature make him his father?
Does that take away the fact Jesus have a God, creator and farther?

as we have been trying to explain to you, Jesus has a Father bcs He has both the nature of man and God. Jesus was never created. God the Father is higher in position not in nature. Am assuming you have an earthly father right? Good, are you not having the same human nature as your father? True, yet he's greater than you in that he is in higher position than you, and that position being that he's your father. Christ equally called God Father bcs it was the Holy Spirit who gave birth to Him and we are all to call Him Father bcs we share in the inheritance and righteousness of Christ and that is why it was expedient that His Spirit comes to dwell in us. In procreation of Christ through Mary don't forget what was at play. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and she was pregnant. Divinity and humanity ( a thing to be grasp).Still waiting for the scripture.

CAPTIVATOR:


God is what ? spirit ( john 4:24)

he make his angels what ? Spirit psalm 104:4

i dont know whats hard for u in this

there are different types of spirits john4: 1 you cannot say all spirit have the same nature. You lack common understanding asked anybody to explain what nature is or check dictionary.

{Hebrews 1:5} Which of the angels did God say this is My Son, you sit here at My right side?

CAPTIVATOR:


God , Christ and the angels are all spirit beings, thats their form.

goodnews201668:




see how shallow your thinking is, you think you know Jesus when you claim he is same as the father?
You clearly know nothing about Jesus because he never claim to be his God and farther.

please show me where I said Jesus is the father.

Are you backing down dolphinheart? This doesn't sound like you.

dolphinheart:


sir I never said it was about the father na, neither did I said it was about God, pls read my post very very well before trying to degrade, because if you have taken time to go through it, you would not have said the above. I hope you will see the points listed their.

sorry that the other parts of my reply to the main post is taking time, will continue on it later. Just posted this to clear the wrong understandING up

solite3:
there are different types of spirits john4: 1 you cannot say all spirit have the same nature. You lack common understanding asked anybody to explain what nature is or check dictionary
.

this was why I quote philipians 2:6 again. the word is FORM not nature.

form /fɔːm/
noun
1. the visible shape or configuration of something.
2. a particular way in which a thing exists or appears.

1) so pls, what is the Form of God ?


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about nature
nature /ˈneɪtʃə/
noun
1. the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
2. the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something.

going with the bold, one basic feature of God is that he knows the end of the conclusion of things, did Jesus know this ?

brocab:
{Hebrews 1:5} Which of the angels did God say this is My Son, you sit here at My right side?

his glorified Messenger, Jesus Christ

Sorry none so what ever you have written had made any sense.
Michael may have had some authority over the lessor angelic beings in God's government {Revelation 12:7}
But Michael didn't have the authority to condemn the devil {like Jesus did}{Jude 1:9} Michael could only use the Lords name to rebuke him..{The Lord rebuke you}
Jesus was never an angel, matter of fact-He is part of the divine nature 'of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
And plus Which of the angels did God ever say this is My Son, you sit here at My right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. {Hebrews 1:13}
God commanded the angels to worship Jesus. Michael is not to be worshipped by men or other angels. {Revelation 22:9}
{Luke 4:8} And Jesus answered and said You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve.

Sarang:




Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term “archangel” in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel.
In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.


I hope that this answers you.

So you believe Christ is a angel-so you worship angels, even after God said not too.

CAPTIVATOR:


his glorified Messenger, Jesus Christ

brocab

brocab:
So you believe Christ is a angel-so you worship angels, even after God said not too.

did he said he worshipped angels ?

Sarang:




Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term “archangel” in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel.
In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.


I hope that this answers you.

in the begining was Archangel Michael, and archangel Michael was with God and Archangel Michael is God! Seriously?? Is that what you have been taught? And Archangel Michael created all things and all things consist of archangel Michael? Angel Michael himself would have striked you down for blasphemy. What sort of nonsense and foolishness are you being taught? And you accept this doctrine?

If Jesus was Michael the Archangel before he became a man, then why does Dan 10:13 refer to Michael as “ONE of the chief princes” implying that there are other chief princes aside him and he was equal to these other angels? If Christ was Michael the Archangel before the incarnation, then became Jesus, then changed back into Michael the Archangel after his death, why does Heb 13:8 say that, “Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday and today, and forever.”? How could Christ be “the same” if he changed from being Michael, into being Jesus, then back into being Michael again. If Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel, how can Mt 25:31 say, "When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and ALL the angels with him, ...". Since "all the angels" would certainly include Michael the Archangel, is it possible that Jesus could return with himself? Similarly, if Jesus was Michael the Archangel before his birth, then how do you explain Heb 1:5 whaich says, " unto which of the angelssaid He at anytime,thous art my Son,this day have I begotten thee? And I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:7 and of the angels He saith, who maketh His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son He says, thy throne, O God, is forever and ever...Heb 1:13-14 which says, “But with reference to which one of the ANGELS has he EVER SAID, Sit at my right hand until I make thine enemies your footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? In addition, if Jesus became Michael the Archangel upon his resurrection, why did none of the New Testament writers refer to the resurrected Christ as “Michael” by name? Can you point out one verse, just one, that says that Jesus and Michael are the same? Such a pity how you have been brain washed! Thomas called Jesus is John 20:28 as My Lord and My God, Not Michael. Heb 1:5-14 shld even remove that thought from your mind. How sorrowful it is to be in deception. Try and get the book of Enoch maybe your understanding will be opened (if you doubt the book where do you think Jude 1:14-15 got this from?) anyway your salvation is in your own hands.

zodiakzax:
(3)God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22), Jesus (the Lamb) is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)

King James Version
Re 21:22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

(3)does this verse above mean that the Lamb is God Almighty? no.
The verse has done a good job in seperatING the Lamb from God almighty by using the word "and". not only that the scriptures also seperated the Lamb from almighty God, who is seated on the throne.

King James Version
Re 5:6,7 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Re 5:7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.[/b]
so what is the verse teaching us:

Jehovah God and the Lamb ‘Are Its Temple.’ When John sees New Jerusalem coming down from heaven, he made the remarks found in reV 21:22 Since the members of New Jerusalem will have direct access to the face of Jehovah himself, they will not need a temple through which to approach God.

King James Version
1Jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

King James Version
Re 22:3,4And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4. And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.[/b]

Those who make up New Jerusalem will render sacred service to God diectly under the high priesthood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. For this reason the Lamb shares with Jehovah in being, in effect, the temple of the New Jerusalem.

(4)God is the alpha and omega (Rev 1:8, Jesus is the alpha and omega (Rev 22:13)

(4)rev 1:8 English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty.

King James Version
Re 22:13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I believe this two verses are referring to the same person, who is the father, the God almighty, Jehovah. There is no reference to jesus their , Jesus is not the alpha and omega.

(5) God is the first and last (Isa 44:6, 48:12), Jesus is the first and last (Rev 22:13),

(5)Isa 44:6This is what Jehovah says, The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.
Isa 48:12Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called. I am the same One. I am the first; I am also the last.
rev 22:13* ( quoted earlier)

These three verses are referring to the same person, God, the almighty, Jehovah, the most high.

(6)God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6), Jesus is the beginning an the end (Rev 22:13)

(6) King James Version
Re 21:6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

rev:22: 13*

this verses are reffering to the same person, God, Jesus father, the almighty God.

(7)Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21), Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20),

(7)King James Version
Lu 5:21And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

King James Version
Lu 5:20And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

As we can see from luke 5:21 the words" only God can forgive sin was not a statement as you tried to make it look like , but a question in the mind of the Pharisees, this question came as a result of jesus earlier statement found in verse 40.

The Pharisees would have this thoughts probably because of these scripture.
Ps 103:2, 3Let me praise Jehovah; May I never forget all that he has done.3He forgives all your errors And heals all your ailments;

But jesus knowing their thoughts answered them
King James Version
Lu 5:23Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
Lu 5:24But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

does this healing and forgiveness of sin make jesus to be God ,since some try to claim only God can forgive sins? no
the scriptures says these about the power jesus used:
King James Version
Ac 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Other supporting scriptures:
[b]Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.


Since Jesus was giving power and authority to judge, it is imperative to believe that the authority to forgive sins is included in it. Jesus has proven that it is even easier to forgive sins than to heal.
The disciples are not God because they had the authority to forgive sins or do they?
King James Version
Joh 20:23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

(God is our hope (Ps 71:5), Jesus is our hope (1Tim 1:1),

(Ps 71:5For you are my hope, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah; I have trusted in you since my youth.

1Ti 1:1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus, our hope,
does this scripture makes jesus to be the same person as Jehovah that David had hope in? no
the following scriptures clear the air on that
[b]1Pe 1:3, 4Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[/u]4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,
the hope that the disciples had in Jesus was given to them by who ? God , who is also God and Father of jesus, the same God that David had hope in. This thus make jehovah as the primary sours of hope for mankind.

(9)God is eternal (Deut 33:27), Jesus is eternal (Isa 9:6, Heb 1:1011);

(9)King James Version
De 33:27The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

King James Version
Isa 9:6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
King James Version
Heb 1:10*
King James Version
Heb 1:11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
sir the above scripture does not mean jesus is the same person as God or jesus is the almighty God.
Jesus was not called eternal God, he will be called eternal father, cus it is through him humans will gain eternal life. When human live for eternity, it still does not make them god!

will continue again when I've adressed some post to me.

brocab:
This just shows how ignorant you are, Nothing I had said' made a difference to you, you need to slow yourself down. We have answered most of your questionnaires, and still you had refused to return your answers concerning who Jesus is 'to His Father.

brocab, you have not answered most of my questions, that why I keep repeating them to you, note that it is not only questions you refuse to answer, you refuse to quote and explain certain scriptures too.
A beg , who is "we"?

Does Jesus have a God At this moment?
The answer to this question is yes and no, In order to properly address this question, we have to learn a little biblical theology and a little logic.
First of all "Jesus has two natures; divine and human.
Second "Jesus was made under the law {Galatians 4:4} and was made for a while A little lower then the angels {Hebrews 2:9} As someone who was under the law it would be necessary for Jesus to obey the law, and worship God {In this case the Father John 17:5}
Thirdly "We have to be careful with the Word "God" we don't want to commit the logical fallacy of equivocation where the meaning of the word changes as we are using it. Let me clarify: With the next two sentences, notice the word "God" is used in each.
{1} The trinity is the teaching that the One God of all existence consist of 3 divine persons: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
{2} The Father is God, The Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
In sentence number {1} The Word "God" is a quantitative, dealing with how many god's there are.
In sentence {2} The Word "God" qualitative, dealing with nature, that is the nature of divinity.
Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law {Galatians 4:4}
Jesus had humbled Himself and emptied Himself in the incarnation and was cooperating with the limitations of being a man while acting under Jewish Law. {Philippians 2:5-8}
Also Jesus is still a man {1 Timothy 2:5, Colossians 2:9} And will be a man forever {1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 6:20, 7:25} Therefore it can be said that Jesus, the man, had someone he would call His God. And He was a reference to the Father, {Since He will always be a man, as well as divine} He will always have someone He will call His God, but this is in reference to God the Father.
That does not mean that Jesus does not share the same divine nature as God the Father since the bible say's that Jesus is also God made man. {John 1:1, 14, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He say's, YOUR THRONE "O GOD" IS FOREVER AND EVER}

CAN YOU YOURSELF SEE YOUR RAMBLING,

Jesus have two natures at same time? no , the theory is a lie!, I've posted the truth to you about that statement when you said Jesus was fully God, you failed as usual to respond it it, only to bring such falsehood up again.
New question you should consider: what happened to jesus divine nature when he died? Did it die too!

brocab , no one is talking about worship yet, we are talking about having a God and being in subjection to that God.
you said : "Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law "
brocab is jesus under the law now? no , I'm asking if jesus who is no longer under the law at the moment has a God.
even the Gal 4:4 that you mentioned never said anything about Jesus having double nature
Jesus is still a man? well this is what the scriptures said about Jesus resurrection tion: [b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death IN THE FLESH but made alive IN THE SPIRIT.
JESUS WAS NEVER MADE ALIVE IN THE FLESH!

THE VERSES YOU MENTIONED NEVER SAID ANY THING ABOUT JESUS BEING A MAN AT THIS MOMENT, I.E BEING FLESH AND BLOOD AT THIS MOMENT , TALK LESS OF BEING ONE FOREVER.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, the scriptures said!

The funny thing is the fact that as long as jesus is a man, he can never be God almighty!

you have so far used a false teaching ( jesus having double nature) to arrive at another false doctrine( the man jesus calls someone his God in heaven)
the main facts are that, in heaven, Jesus says God is his God, he calls God " my God ". If you say that God is the father, then the God in revelation IS THE FATHER!
The father is the almighty God !

you have only attempted to answer one question, which you failed woefully in, you attempt to use false teachings(which had been debunked without reply in these thread) to tell us that Jesus has a God and does not have a god at this same moment. This fictional explanation can only be found in fictional novels that talk about hybrids, it's not in Gods word.
Jesus emptied himself and his divine nature was changed to that of human nature I.e flesh and blood, he BECAME FLESH. You are trying to make jesus sacrifice illegal by claiming a god died and not a man died, you are trying to justify that adam could not have resisted Satan's lies since he did not have divine nature alongside his human nature.

brocab, you keep mentioning this divine nature of jesus forgetting it's that same divine nature that those who will go to heaven will have!, does it make them god too!

Since its only one question that you attempted to answer, I'll post as a reminder the other issues.

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

How brain dead do you sound, most of these questions you ask-don't make any sense, you don't believe in the divine nature Jesus had with His Father and His Father's Spirit, so how can we continual to answer any of your questions?
Firstly I can't answer all your questionnaire in a flash of time, you have been pestering us Christians to answer these questions for you, and when we try to explain them, you turn them away, or twist them around to sound to your needs.
So what is it 'you want, what is your point, what do you want from us?
I have told you already you need to slow down on your questionnaires, and give us some meanings to your questions. When I read though your page, none of it makes any sense, you change from one verse to another, and I am finding it hard to keep up with the times.
You need to slow down and ask yourself What your needs are? And how can we Christians be at service to you?
It shows in every page' you had refused every scripture we have provided for you, this only proves you don't believe in the word of God, so what is your point? You really need to ask yourself what kind of answers you are searching for.
But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines.
So if you are pushing us to agree with you about anything on this matter, we can't because the Holy Spirit has a strong hold over us, because we have chosen to believe in Christ and everything about Christ. This is what a Christian is all about, "believing. Where you seem to have trouble in, believing the truth about Who Christ is.
The Spirit of God won't allow His own" to believe you, nor believe in your doctrine. Plus none of it makes any sense to have any dealings with God.
It is the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things concerning Christ. One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God, As I said we are Christians, and Christians don't chase after the lies you JW's seek.
The bible teaches us that Jesus Christ is Lord, He did not come to earth as the archangel Michael, nor did He return to heaven the same way.

dolphinheart:

brocab, you have not answered most of my questions, that why I keep repeating them to you, note that it is not only questions you refuse to answer, you refuse to quote and explain certain scriptures too.
A beg , who is "we"?



CAN YOU YOURSELF SEE YOUR RAMBLING,

Jesus have two natures at same time? no , the theory is a lie!, I've posted the truth to you about that statement when you said Jesus was fully God, you failed as usual to respond it it, only to bring such falsehood up again.
New question you should consider: what happened to jesus divine nature when he died? Did it die too!

brocab , no one is talking about worship yet, we are talking about having a God and being in subjection to that God.
you said : "Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law "
brocab is jesus under the law now? no , I'm asking if jesus who is no longer under the law at the moment has a God.
even the Gal 4:4 that you mentioned never said anything about Jesus having double nature
Jesus is still a man? well this is what the scriptures said about Jesus resurrection tion: [b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death IN THE FLESH but made alive IN THE SPIRIT.
JESUS WAS NEVER MADE ALIVE IN THE FLESH!

THE VERSES YOU MENTIONED NEVER SAID ANY THING ABOUT JESUS BEING A MAN AT THIS MOMENT, I.E BEING FLESH AND BLOOD AT THIS MOMENT , TALK LESS OF BEING ONE FOREVER.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, the scriptures said!

The funny thing is the fact that as long as jesus is a man, he can never be God almighty!

you have so far used a false teaching ( jesus having double nature) to arrive at another false doctrine( the man jesus calls someone his God in heaven)
the main facts are that, in heaven, Jesus says God is his God, he calls God " my God ". If you say that God is the father, then the God in revelation IS THE FATHER!
The father is the almighty God !

you have only attempted to answer one question, which you failed woefully in, you attempt to use false teachings(which had been debunked without reply in these thread) to tell us that Jesus has a God and does not have a god at this same moment. This fictional explanation can only be found in fictional novels that talk about hybrids, it's not in Gods word.
Jesus emptied himself and his divine nature was changed to that of human nature I.e flesh and blood, he BECAME FLESH. You are trying to make jesus sacrifice illegal by claiming a god died and not a man died, you are trying to justify that adam could not have resisted Satan's lies since he did not have divine nature alongside his human nature.

brocab, you keep mentioning this divine nature of jesus forgetting it's that same divine nature that those who will go to heaven will have!, does it make them god too!

Since its only one question that you attempted to answer, I'll post as a reminder the other issues.

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

Your statement has said it all, the father is higher in position which means they aren't one person or three in one as you guys always want us to believe. But Jesus was created check your bible well. Besides like i said earlier its not about Christ's nature, bible clearly shows that Jesus exists in Gods form.

zodiakzax:
as we have been trying to explain to you, Jesus has a Father bcs He has both the nature of man and God. Jesus was never created. God the Father is higher in position not in nature. Am assuming you have an earthly father right? Good, are you not having the same human nature as your father? True, yet he's greater than you in that he is in higher position than you, and that position being that he's your father. Christ equally called God Father bcs it was the Holy Spirit who gave birth to Him and we are all to call Him Father bcs we share in the inheritance and righteousness of Christ and that is why it was expedient that His Spirit comes to dwell in us. In procreation of Christ through Mary don't forget what was at play. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and she was pregnant. Divinity and humanity ( a thing to be grasp).Still waiting for the scripture.

Maybe its your own Jesus that will remain a man forever, just listen to what you are saying. Why will Jesus remain a man forever?

brocab:
This just shows how ignorant you are, Nothing I had said' made a difference to you, you need to slow yourself down. We have answered most of your questionnaires, and still you had refused to return your answers concerning who Jesus is 'to His Father.
Does Jesus have a God At this moment?
The answer to this question is yes and no, In order to properly address this question, we have to learn a little biblical theology and a little logic.
First of all "Jesus has two natures; divine and human.
Second "Jesus was made under the law {Galatians 4:4} and was made for a while A little lower then the angels {Hebrews 2:9} As someone who was under the law it would be necessary for Jesus to obey the law, and worship God {In this case the Father John 17:5}
Thirdly "We have to be careful with the Word "God" we don't want to commit the logical fallacy of equivocation where the meaning of the word changes as we are using it. Let me clarify: With the next two sentences, notice the word "God" is used in each.
{1} The trinity is the teaching that the One God of all existence consist of 3 divine persons: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
{2} The Father is God, The Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
In sentence number {1} The Word "God" is a quantitative, dealing with how many god's there are.
In sentence {2} The Word "God" qualitative, dealing with nature, that is the nature of divinity.
Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law {Galatians 4:4}
Jesus had humbled Himself and emptied Himself in the incarnation and was cooperating with the limitations of being a man while acting under Jewish Law. {Philippians 2:5-8}
Also Jesus is still a man {1 Timothy 2:5, Colossians 2:9} And will be a man forever {1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 6:20, 7:25} Therefore it can be said that Jesus, the man, had someone he would call His God. And He was a reference to the Father, {Since He will always be a man, as well as divine} He will always have someone He will call His God, but this is in reference to God the Father.
That does not mean that Jesus does not share the same divine nature as God the Father since the bible say's that Jesus is also God made man. {John 1:1, 14, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He say's, YOUR THRONE "O GOD" IS FOREVER AND EVER}

What don't you understand the bible is teaching those who are seeking the truth, and you are not seeking.
Jesus has a divine nature, Jesus is Spirit and He is man. Jesus was never the archangel Michael, plus God made angels spirits.
Jesus didn't go back to heaven in Spirit. He was seen by His disciples going up into the clouds.
So before you start judging, read the scripture In {Acts 1:9} After He said this, He was taken up before their very eye's.
Also read {John 5:21, 28, Romans 8:23, 1 Peter 3:22} This may clear up your disbelief towards God.

goodnews201668:
Maybe its your own Jesus that will remain a man forever, just listen to what you are saying. Why will Jesus remain a man forever?

Barristter07:
brocab



did he said he worshipped angels ?

it's very clear what brocab said, but false jw is forever twisting and disbelieving things said,
including scriptures.

Lie Lie barristter

brocab:
So you believe Christ is a angel-so you worship angels, even after God said not too.

Lie Lie barristter






more false jw lies here:




LEARN What The Single LIE Is That Holds The Sincere JW To The Watchtower?

What does it take to effectively answer a Jehovah's Witness (or Jahova's Witness as they say in certain parts of the world) to the place that he is shaken from his spiritual delusions? It will take exposure to God's truth plus, on the part of the Jehovah's Witness, a heart which is open to Scripture.jehovah's witness Kingdom Hall Sign Jehovah's witnesses beliefs seem to be set in stone. Many of the Jehovah's witnesses are so indoctrinated and their lives are so wrapped up with their religion that they refuse to consider the evidence which any Christian may offer, even if it comes from their own literature! They know they would lose it all if they became a Bible-defined Christian since those who leave the organization are considered apostates and shunned by others, even their own natural family members. Hence, the price seems too great for many, but not all of them. Some Jehovah's witnesses do come to salvation. Christians must try to win them to God, for they desperately need eternal life. [Eternal life is ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 5:12,13) and NOT any organization or denomination. Eternal life is also spiritual life, which Christians have now this side of the grave before their physical death. These are true Christian beliefs.]

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm






more truth on the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites:

http://jwfacts.com/

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm

Did brocab say the JW's worship angels YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THEY DO, JW'S BELIEVE THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL IS JESUS WHICH PROVES THEY WORSHIP ANGELS. JUST READ THEIR NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE..

Barristter07:
brocab



did he said he worshipped angels ?

Thanks bro for bringing this one out in the open. Another one of the JW's twists and lies, written by barristter.

johnw74:


it's very clear what brocab said, but false jw is forever twisting and disbelieving things said,
including scriptures.

Lie Lie barristter