Sarang:




Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term “archangel” in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel.
In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.


I hope that this answers you.

That still doesn't answer the question. And it is not reasonable to conclude Jesus is Michael because there is no where in scripture it says so. What you have done so far is allude that Jesus is Michael. So, I will ask again, CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW US IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT STATES THAT JESUS IS MICHAEL OR MICHAEL IS JESUS AND/OR THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON.

However, scripture has made it abundantly clear that:

1. Revelation 17:14 = These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. This verse in Revelation clearly shows that Jesus Christ is the "Lord of lords and King of Kings" and is far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come (Ephesians 1:21)

2. And unlike Michael who did not dare condemn the Devil with insulting words but said, "The Lord rebuke you" in Jude verse 9. It shows Michael didn't have authority over the devil. Now read Matthew 4:10 and compare that with Jude 9. Jesus rebuked and commanded satan with authority. Please explain why that is.

3. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16, you misread the verse to mean that Jesus is an archangel - na wa oh. The verse is very simple and it is describing Jesus coming with the sound of an arch-angel. It means like God;s trumpet will herald the coming of the Lord and not that the Lord is an arch-angel.

None of the verses you attempted to use as proof-texts even comes close to stating that Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel. In fact, scripture clearly teaches the opposite: namely, that the Son of God is SUPERIOR to the angels. The entire first chapter of Hebrews us devoted to this theme. I will add emphasis for your attention:

[b]Hebrews 1:1-9:

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.[/b]

Verses 4 and 5 clearly states the difference in name, position and authority between Jesus the Christ and any other angel including Michael. Verse 8 even goes forward to decree Jesus as God, but that is another topic for another time

Another point is that angels throughout the Bible has consistently refused worship, that goes for all angels including archangel Michael. Please refer to Revelation 22:8,9. However, Hebrews 1:6 clearly states without any guessing or alluding that Jesus is to be worshipped by all Angels. It didn't say Michael should be worship because it makes no sense for angels to worship angels. Only God is to be worshipped and Christians view Jesus as God which coherently interprets the verse.

However, the JW Bible has changed Hebrews 1:6 in 1970 from "worship him" to "do obeisance to him". This is part of JW consistent campaign to eliminate from their Bible all references to the deity of Christ. It is God that will judge your leaders for manipulating, adding and subtracting from His Holy word.

I will ask again - CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS ARCHANGEL MICHAEL. I have used scripture to show you where it clearly states that Jesus is not Michael and Michael is not Jesus. All you have done is copied and pasted what is on jw.org about this subject. I eagerly await your response

CAPTIVATOR:


this was why I quote philipians 2:6 again. the word is FORM not nature.

form /fɔːm/
noun
1. the visible shape or configuration of something.
2. a particular way in which a thing exists or appears.

1) so pls, what is the Form of God ?


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about nature
nature /ˈneɪtʃə/
noun
1. the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
2. the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something.

going with the bold, one basic feature of God is that he knows the end of the conclusion of things, did Jesus know this ?

Jesus knew he was going to die and He knew that he would resurrect on the 3rd day. So, he knew the conclusion of his crucifixion, his death and resurrection.

goodnews201668:


Your statement has said it all, the father is higher in position which means they aren't one person or three in one as you guys always want us to believe. But Jesus was created check your bible well. Besides like i said earlier its not about Christ's nature, bible clearly shows that Jesus exists in Gods form.

JW teaches Jesus was created. You refer to Colossians 1:15 because of the word "first-born". Paul use of the word "first-born" was to show pre-eminence. First born doesn't mean first created. You guys do this because it is consistent with your theological presupposition that Jesus is a created thing.

A simple example is used in Psalm 89:20, 27 - it says "20 . I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him. 27. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth". The question then is - was David the first-born king. As you can see, David, who was the last one born in his family, was called the firstborn by God. This is a title of preeminence.

Scripture best interprets Scripture. Firstborn does not require a meaning of first created as the Jehovah's Witnesses say it means here. "Firstborn" can mean the first born person in a family, and it can also be a title of preeminence which is transferable. In addition, He is the pre-eminent one in all things. The Jehovah's Witnesses should consider this when they examine Col. 1:15. They should also abandon the Watchtower which guides them in their thinking and believing.

Read the Bible and stop depending on theology from some old men in New York that you don't even know by name

No that is your form, trying to think of such stupidity.

CAPTIVATOR:


God , Christ and the angels are all spirit beings, thats their form.

alexis:


Jesus knew he was going to die and He knew that he would resurrect on the 3rd day. So, he knew the conclusion of his crucifixion, his death and resurrection.

Lol, he never ask u dis Sir.

He said , did Jesus knew the end of the conclusion of things ?

alexis:


Jesus knew he was going to die and He knew that he would resurrect on the 3rd day. So, he knew the conclusion of his crucifixion, his death and resurrection.

Lol, he never ask u dis Sir.

He said , did Jesus knew the end of the conclusion of things ?

brocab:
Did brocab say the JW's worship angels YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THEY DO, JW'S BELIEVE THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL IS JESUS WHICH PROVES THEY WORSHIP ANGELS. JUST READ THEIR NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE..

baseless accusation

johnw74:


it's very clear what brocab said, but false jw is forever twisting and disbelieving things said,
including scriptures.

Lie Lie barristter

Midnight crew, nobody asks for ur opinion. Just look at what u wrote, it doesnt make any sense, u know ?

Jozzy4:


Lol, he never ask u dis Sir.

He said , did Jesus knew the end of the conclusion of things ?

Help me ask am

CAPTIVATOR:


Midnight crew, nobody asks for ur opinion. Just look at what u wrote, it doesnt make any sense, u know ?

Lie Lie captivator

brocab:
So you believe Christ is a angel-so you worship angels, even after God said not too.

Barristter07:
brocab



did he said he worshipped angels ?

johnw74:


it's very clear what brocab said, but false jw is forever twisting and disbelieving things said,
including scriptures.

Lie Lie barristter

I added a couple of thing that false jw also do, that might have thrown you cap - been your excuse to lie yet again.


Lie Lie captivator

Johnw74

johnw74:




Lie Lie captivator
















I added a couple of thing that false jw also do, that might have thrown you cap - been your excuse to lie yet again.


Lie Lie captivator

When u dive into what doesnt concern you, na wahala.

you ignorantly in your post fail to comprehend two things

That 1. Brocab accused captivator of worshipping an angel. ( note that am not defending captivator)

Brocab said " [size=25] so you worship angels, [/size] even after God said not too "

That 2. Captivator never said so in his post.

so dear lie lie John, what exactly is ur problem ? Are u saying brocab never said he ( captivator,) worship angels ?

Brocab

brocab:
[size=27] Did brocab say the JW's worship angels [/size] YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THEY DO, JW'S BELIEVE THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL IS JESUS WHICH PROVES THEY WORSHIP ANGELS. JUST READ THEIR NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE..

Olodo rabata , Who ask u if brocab said so, I asked you did he ( captivator) said so ? how you arrive at that conclusion, ko ye mi rara

alexis

alexis:


JW teaches Jesus was created. You refer to Colossians 1:15 because of the word "first-born". Paul use of the word "first-born" was to show pre-eminence. First born doesn't mean first created. You guys do this because it is consistent with your theological presupposition that Jesus is a created thing.

A simple example is used in Psalm 89:20, 27 - it says "20 . I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him. 27. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth". The question then is - was David the first-born king. As you can see, David, who was the last one born in his family, was called the firstborn by God. This is a title of preeminence.

Scripture best interprets Scripture. Firstborn does not require a meaning of first created as the Jehovah's Witnesses say it means here. "Firstborn" can mean the first born person in a family, and it can also be a title of preeminence which is transferable. In addition, He is the pre-eminent one in all things. The Jehovah's Witnesses should consider this when they examine Col. 1:15. They should also abandon the Watchtower which guides them in their thinking and believing.

Read the Bible and stop depending on theology from some old men in New York that you don't even know by name

The context associate his been Firstborn with CREATION, not just firstborn. And Rev 3:14 supports this truth , so also proverb 8:22. Where Jesus is said to be formed by God

why is the Father NEVER addressed as firstborn of all creation ?

goodnews201668:


Your statement has said it all, the father is higher in position which means they aren't one person or three in one as you guys always want us to believe. But Jesus was created check your bible well. Besides like i said earlier its not about Christ's nature, bible clearly shows that Jesus exists in Gods form.

Really? Did the statement really say because the Father is higher in position means they aren't one? Any learned person will understand what I wrote. Which part of having the same nature with the Father didn't you read? Which part of me saying Christ has the nature of man didn't you read? So no Sir, my statement did not say what you are implying, any reasonable person can see that.

zodiakzax:
Really? Did the statement really say because the Father is higher in position means they aren't one? Any learned person will understand what I wrote. Which part of having the same nature with the Father didn't you read? Which part of me saying Christ has the nature of man didn't you read? So no Sir, my statement did not say what you are implying, any reasonable person can see that.

What do u mean by they are one ? Keep in mind john 17:21

Barristter07:
Johnw74



When u dive into what doesnt concern you, na wahala.

you ignorantly in your post fail to comprehend two things

That 1. Brocab accused captivator of worshipping an angel. ( note that am not defending captivator)

Brocab said " [size=25] so you worship angels, [/size] even after God said not too "

That 2. Captivator never said so in his post.

so dear lie lie John, what exactly is ur problem ? Are u saying brocab never said he ( captivator,) worship angels ?

You so confused barr, not suprised mind you.

You asked concerning brocab: "did he said he worshipped angels ?"

you were adressing what brocab said, you quoted his post, which said:

So you believe Christ is a angel-so you worship angels, even after God said not too.




Lie Lie barristter

johnw74

johnw74:



You so confused barr, not suprised mind you.

You asked concerning brocab: "did he said he worshipped angels ?"

you were adressing what brocab said, you quoted his post, which said:

So you believe Christ is a angel-so you worship angels, even after God said not too.




Lie Lie barristter

See your life @ bold
low comprehension , because I quoted his post. Don't u see I was asking him a question?


I asked brocab a question with reference to captivator, whom I address as " he " ,

Grow Up

goodnews201668:
Maybe its your own Jesus that will remain a man forever, just listen to what you are saying. Why will Jesus remain a man forever?

Really? Then are you saying these scriptures are wrong?

1 Timothy 2:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus..


What's does the Man Jesus Christ mean to you?

Rev 22:16 kjv “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID, the bright morning star.”

What does the statement "I Am the root and the offspring of David.." mean to you? "I am" present tense not "I was". Offspring of David makes Him still a Man and that was why He used the present tense "I AM" because He's still the Man Jesus not an angel.

Home work for you:

How can He be both the root and the offspring of David? If you can understand this you will understand why He is God and calls God the Father my God.

Barristter07:
johnw74



See your life @ bold
low comprehension , because I quoted his post. Don't u see I was asking him a question?


I asked brocab a question with reference to captivator, whom I address as " he " ,

Grow Up

Lie Lie barristter



You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"

You said "did he said he worshipped angels ?" referring to brocab's post - which you quoted, hence brocab.

If you meant captivator, then you need to work on your grammar.

Lie Lie barristter








The history of the Jehovah's Witnesses from its founder Charles Taze Russell on is filled with a long list of failed false prophecies, changed doctrines and ruined lives! The organization headquarters is a clear and definite example of a false prophet, a ferocious wolf in sheep's clothing: jehovah's witnesses bible new world translation
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. (Mat 7:15)
jehovah's witnesses answeredHence, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is a dangerous enemy to God's truth and to SOULS! They are diabolical deceivers and have gone so far as to conveniently produce their own so-called translation of the Bible, which they call The New World Translation. The foremost feature of the Jehovah's Witness Bible is supposed to be the restoration of the divine name Jehovah, but in reality it is a dark perversion of God's word where words are changed, added or omitted to alter the meaning according to Watchtower doctrine! WARNING: Do NOT be influenced by the NWT. It is NOT reliable or consistent. It is a satanic tool and on a par with the Book of Mormon and Koran. So, is God's name Jehovah? Not according to the evidence! (Keep reading.)

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm









more truth on the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites:

http://jwfacts.com/

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm

johnw74

johnw74:




Lie Lie barristter



You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"

You said "did he said he worshipped angels ?" referring to brocab's post - which you quoted, hence brocab.

If you meant captivator, then you need to work on your grammar.

You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"
,

I asked brocab ' did HE said he worshipped angels?

, despite the fact that its clear I represent captivator with the PRONOUN " he " . grow up.

Barristter07:
johnw74






You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"
,

I asked brocab ' did HE said he worshipped angels?

, despite the fact that its clear I represent captivator with the PRONOUN " he " . grow up
.

dont mind phony

zodiakzax:
Really? Then are you saying these scriptures are wrong?

1 Timothy 2:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus..


What's does the Man Jesus Christ mean to you?

Rev 22:16 kjv “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID, the bright morning star.”

What does the statement "I Am the root and the offspring of David.." mean to you? "I am" present tense not "I was". Offspring of David makes Him still a Man and that was why He used the present tense "I AM" because He's still the Man Jesus not an angel.

Home work for you:

How can He be both the root and the offspring of David? If you can understand this you will understand why He is God and calls God the Father my God.

1 Timothy 2:5 is only addressing Jesus as a person, which is why man is used not that Jesus is a human being with flesh nd blood, intestines, lungs, pancreas, male genital , or do u mean Jesus still hve all this ?

Barristter07:
alexis



The context associate his been Firstborn with CREATION, not just firstborn. And Rev 3:14 supports this truth , so also proverb 8:22. Where Jesus is said to be formed by God

why is the Father NEVER addressed as firstborn of all creation ?

go back and read what he wrote and which part of the scriptures teach you that Jesus was the one mentioned in Prov 8? You claim He was arch angel Michael right? So how can prov 8 possibly be Jesus? And "she" is used for wisdom there. Give me one scripture that reffered to Jesus as the one mentioned in Prov 8. Most at times scriptures in the old testament is used for Jesus but how come prov 8 has never been used.

zodiakzax:
go back and read what he wrote and which part of the scriptures teach you that Jesus was the one mentioned in Prov 8? You claim He was arch angel Michael right? So how can prov 8 possibly be Jesus? And "she" is used for wisdom there. Give me one scripture that reffered to Jesus as the one mentioned in Prov 8. Most at times scriptures in the old testament is used for Jesus but how come prov 8 has never been used.

stop displaying ignorance here

even phony johnw74 knows proverb 8: 22-30 is talking about Jesus

Barristter07:
johnw74






You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"
,

I asked brocab ' did HE said he worshipped angels?

, despite the fact that its clear I represent captivator with the PRONOUN " he " . grow up.

It's not clear at all when you use "said" instead of "say" and then also leave the name "captivator" out of it

I was beginning to think it could have been a error of grammar on your part,
but with all your continued twisting, it could just be more:


Lie Lie barristter

Jozzy4:


dont mind phony

These are jozz at his best.

Jozzy4:

stop displaying ignorance here
even phony johnw74 knows proverb 8: 22-30 is talking about Jesus

Jozzy4:


1 Timothy 2:5 is only addressing Jesus as a person, which is why man is used not that Jesus is a human being with flesh nd blood, intestines, lungs, pancreas, male genital , or do u mean Jesus still hve all this ?

, really? Is that the best explanation u can come up with? Wow!! Hahhahahaha, maybe Paul doesn't know the difference between "Person" and " Man". And the rev 22:16? What do say about that? I only know man is use to represent a human being not an angel.

Jozzy4:


stop displaying ignorance here

even phony johnw74 knows proverb 8: 22-30 is talking about Jesus

you didn't answer my question. I believe none of us wrote the Bible here, in fact it doesn't matter what my brother Johnw74 thinks, it doesn't even matter what I think. What matters is the truth so answer my question and stop talking nonsense. And besides we are not like you guys, if am wrong he can simply tell me what he thinks and give me his reasons and I will also do my research to see if it's true. Any reasonable person who wants the truth will do that. In any ways you can read this if you want.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_wisdom_created.htm

zodiakzax:
, really? Is that the best explanation u can come up with? Wow!! Hahhahahaha, maybe Paul doesn't know the difference between "Person" and " Man". And the rev 22:16? What do say about that? I only know man is use to represent a human being not an angel.

Oga, Jesus once been a man , retains the description of man. this doesn't mean Jesus is flesh and blood, with intestines, anus , or male genital in heaven ... tell me , do u agree Jesus have blood, and a male genital in heaven ?

zodiakzax:
you didn't answer my question. I believe none of us wrote the Bible here, in fact it doesn't matter what my brother Johnw74 thinks, it doesn't even matter what I think. What matters is the truth so answer my question and stop talking nonsense. And besides we are not like you guys, if am wrong he can simply tell me what he thinks and give me his reasons and I will also do my research to see if it's true. Any reasonable person who wants the truth will do that. In any ways you can read this if you want.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_wisdom_created.htm

proverb 8:22-30 , personified wisdom claims to be with Yahweh in the process of creation, no other person but Jesus Christ

dolphinheart:


King James Version
Re 21:22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

(3)does this verse above mean that the Lamb is God Almighty? no.
The verse has done a good job in seperatING the Lamb from God almighty by using the word "and". not only that the scriptures also seperated the Lamb from almighty God, who is seated on the throne.

King James Version
Re 5:6,7 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Re 5:7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.[/b]
so what is the verse teaching us:

Jehovah God and the Lamb ‘Are Its Temple.’ When John sees New Jerusalem coming down from heaven, he made the remarks found in reV 21:22 Since the members of New Jerusalem will have direct access to the face of Jehovah himself, they will not need a temple through which to approach God.

King James Version
1Jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

King James Version
Re 22:3,4And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4. And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.[/b]

Those who make up New Jerusalem will render sacred service to God diectly under the high priesthood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. For this reason the Lamb shares with Jehovah in being, in effect, the temple of the New Jerusalem.


(4)rev 1:8 English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty.

King James Version
Re 22:13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I believe this two verses are referring to the same person, who is the father, the God almighty, Jehovah. There is no reference to jesus their , Jesus is not the alpha and omega.


(5)Isa 44:6This is what Jehovah says, The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.
Isa 48:12Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called. I am the same One. I am the first; I am also the last.
rev 22:13* ( quoted earlier)

These three verses are referring to the same person, God, the almighty, Jehovah, the most high.


(6) King James Version
Re 21:6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

rev:22: 13*

this verses are reffering to the same person, God, Jesus father, the almighty God.


(7)King James Version
Lu 5:21And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

King James Version
Lu 5:20And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

As we can see from luke 5:21 the words" only God can forgive sin was not a statement as you tried to make it look like , but a question in the mind of the Pharisees, this question came as a result of jesus earlier statement found in verse 40.

The Pharisees would have this thoughts probably because of these scripture.
Ps 103:2, 3Let me praise Jehovah; May I never forget all that he has done.3He forgives all your errors And heals all your ailments;

But jesus knowing their thoughts answered them
King James Version
Lu 5:23Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
Lu 5:24But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

does this healing and forgiveness of sin make jesus to be God ,since some try to claim only God can forgive sins? no
the scriptures says these about the power jesus used:
King James Version
Ac 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Other supporting scriptures:
[b]Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.


Since Jesus was giving power and authority to judge, it is imperative to believe that the authority to forgive sins is included in it. Jesus has proven that it is even easier to forgive sins than to heal.
The disciples are not God because they had the authority to forgive sins or do they?
King James Version
Joh 20:23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


(Ps 71:5For you are my hope, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah; I have trusted in you since my youth.

1Ti 1:1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus, our hope,
does this scripture makes jesus to be the same person as Jehovah that David had hope in? no
the following scriptures clear the air on that
[b]1Pe 1:3, 4Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[/u]4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,
the hope that the disciples had in Jesus was given to them by who ? God , who is also God and Father of jesus, the same God that David had hope in. This thus make jehovah as the primary sours of hope for mankind.


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De 33:27The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

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Isa 9:6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
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Heb 1:10*
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Heb 1:11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
sir the above scripture does not mean jesus is the same person as God or jesus is the almighty God.
Jesus was not called eternal God, he will be called eternal father, cus it is through him humans will gain eternal life. When human live for eternity, it still does not make them god!

will continue again when I've adressed some post to me.

have you read your answers? Does it even make sense to you? I've given you those scriptures and comparisons bcs Jesus did what God alone can do. And please Jesus was never addressed as our Father because it was through Him eternal life came from. John 15 Christ called the apostles brethren. We are joint -heirs with Him. He asked us to call God Father. Where did you get that info from. Give me one scripture that says Jesus was called Father? He's everlasting Father same us God.

Micah 5:2(ISV):

As for you, Bethlehem of Ephrathah, even though you remain least among the clans of Judah, nevertheless, the one who rules in Israel for me will emerge from you. His existence has been from antiquity, even from eternity.

And He's the Mighty God. Wanted to see if you guys interpret it as mighty god. You don't even know what you are doing. Satan is always limited in his wisdom.