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tbaba1234:
We made a mistake during the qualifiers with all these 'experienced' rubbish... Hopefully we can start blooding in young players.

tbaba1234:
We made a mistake during the qualifiers with all these 'experienced' rubbish... Hopefully we can start blooding in young players.

Icon4s:
U can never undermine the place of experience in football.

Tell me Echiejile, Omeruo and Ekong are nt experienced Super Eagles defenders. Raheem Lawal, Brown Ideye and Michael Babatunde are all experienced Super Eagles returnees.

The nature of d opposition we faced during d Egypt double header is far different from what we faced in these 2 friendlies.

See my friend, when it comes to games of such magnitude(Egpyt clash) what every sane coach would have done was to assemble d best available established players with little room for experiments.

After all Simon, Iheanacho and Iwobi were all part of d Egypt clash. D only notable absentee young players were Madu and Ndidi.U think it would have been wise to play a relatively inexperienced Ndidi in front of a not too convinving pair of Ambrose and Obaobona when we have a world class experienced DMF like Mikel?

U can see dat Iheanacho is begining to get his acts right with d Super Eagles. U saw how his first two games: against Tanzania and Egypt went. He is begining to gather d much needed experience to fit into d national team setting.

Undermine d place of experience in senior team selection at ur own perile.

Icon4s:
U can never undermine the place of experience in football.

Tell me Echiejile, Omeruo and Ekong are nt experienced Super Eagles defenders. Raheem Lawal, Brown Ideye and Michael Babatunde are all experienced Super Eagles returnees.

The nature of d opposition we faced during d Egypt double header is far different from what we faced in these 2 friendlies.

See my friend, when it comes to games of such magnitude(Egpyt clash) what every sane coach would have done was to assemble d best available established players with little room for experiments.

After all Simon, Iheanacho and Iwobi were all part of d Egypt clash. D only notable absentee young players were Madu and Ndidi.U think it would have been wise to play a relatively inexperienced Ndidi in front of a not too convinving pair of Ambrose and Obaobona when we have a world class experienced DMF like Mikel?

U can see dat Iheanacho is begining to get his acts right with d Super Eagles. U saw how his first two games: against Tanzania and Egypt went. He is begining to gather d much needed experience to fit into d national team setting.

Undermine d place of experience in senior team selection at ur own perile.

TheGoodJoe:
I want us to kill the term experience when it comes to squad selection. It is not just a Nigerian thing but it goes on even in club football.

That is one thing I admire about Coaches like Mancini, Guardiola, Simeone and Van Gaal.

Who is the best player based on form in every position? Shay Given at Man City was a far experienced and established player. When it was time for Mancini to choose who was his Goal Keeper for the season, he chose a less experienced and a less established Joe Hart over Shay Given.

At Manchester City, Mancini did not hesistate to drop an experienced and established Lescott for Savic and later Nastatic.

Watching Savic play and mark out CR7 and Benzema at the Champions league final in the Atletico vs Real Madrid game made me nod my head.

Indeed, Savic was a massive talent in defence. I could feel Mancini smiling as he watched that game.

Coach Westerhoff did not hesitate to drop experienced names for the less experienced ones like Amunike and Oliseh.

Guardiola did not hesistate to drop a highly experienced Marquez for a totally less experienced Pique.

If you are good enough, you are Old enough.

tbaba1234:
Ekong is not an experienced SuperEagles Player, He probably still has less than 10 caps.

I am not against experience but I am talking of the starting old guns even though they are not playing in their clubs. Especially those who do not even come off the bench.

Iwobi was in top form at Arsenal and how many minutes did he play in both legs..

Form should be given greater priority. Why were players tearing it up , not given a call-up? No reason why Ndidi and Success were not called up.. Why is Amuzie starting when Madu has been in form all season?

TheGoodJoe:
I want us to kill the term experience when it comes to squad selection. It is not just a Nigerian thing but it goes on even in club football.

That is one thing I admire about Coaches like Mancini, Guardiola, Simeone and Van Gaal.

Who is the best player based on form in every position? Shay Given at Man City was a far experienced and established player. When it was time for Mancini to choose who was his Goal Keeper for the season, he chose a less experienced and a less established Joe Hart over Shay Given.

At Manchester City, Mancini did not hesistate to drop an experienced and established Lescott for Savic and later Nastatic.

Watching Savic play and mark out CR7 and Benzema at the Champions league final in the Atletico vs Real Madrid game made me nod my head.

Indeed, Savic was a massive talent in defence. I could feel Mancini smiling as he watched that game.

Coach Westerhoff did not hesitate to drop experienced names for the less experienced ones like Amunike and Oliseh.

Guardiola did not hesistate to drop a highly experienced Marquez for a totally less experienced Pique.

If you are good enough, you are Old enough.

Icon4s:
By experience i am nt jst talking abt super eagles caps. Does Ighalo have up to 10 caps.

Troost-Ekong has been in d European league for atleast 5 five years. I didnt watch d last 2 friendlies bt i heard he has improved. That is what experience does for a player- he gets better with experience.

Common guys, I have nothing against these young players bt i tell u it would b disaster if we throw all of them in at once and discard d more experience players. Who would dey learn from? Iike d fact that Omeruo and Ekong are still U23. even though dey would nt b in Rio, It means we can develop d new Super Eagles defense around them. Awaziem for instance can come in to meet competitors hu are more experienced and dat will make him up his game and d better for us. Rather than jst giving him d authomatic shirt bc he is in FC Porto.

Ndidi though up and coming would still need a DMF master around him like Mikel to learn from. We dnt even have a recognised Right back. IMO Shehu Abdullahi, though nt a natural RB, has done creditably well in dat position given his level of experience. Bt this is d time to select young natural RB who would deputise for him and then grow into dat position.

As per the forwards, this is an area where d young boys even with little experience easily find their footings.

My fellow comrades Experience counts a lot in football. I did nt even talk abt d goal keeping position.

Icon4s:
Nops. U cannot kill experience in squad selection. What kind of a coach will do that?Players get better with experience.

I am nt saying an inexperienced player cannot b better than a more experience player. Coaches should know where to draw d line between talent and experience.

My argument with tbaba spans from dat game against Egypt.
I ask u also TheGoodJoe would u have fielded Ndidi even with his sparkling form then as d DMF to shield the shakey Ambrose-Obabona CB as against Fielding Mikel?

Certain positions are critical in a team. I for eg prefer youths upfront(AM/SS/CF) bt as u start moving to d midfield and then defensive roles experience it is for me.
U introduce young players gradually in d more defensive positions.

Mickael2:
My 2 cents on the whole issue.

First of all, the allegations that Siasia has already decided who he is going to Brazil with is false, why? I mean look at the players he left behind, Success, Nacho, Ndidi, Iwobi and so the likes, they are all starters for their teams or atleast regular bench players. And this season was just completed a few days to the announcement of the squad, these are young players, they cannot handle another competitive tourney after such a long season. And even if they manage to do, it will affect their performances next season, and believe me next season will be pivotal in most of their careers, with Pep coming to City, Nacho needs to be at his best physically and mentally, with the purchase of Granit Xhaka, Iwobi needs to be at his best too next season, same also for all of our youngsters, so this isn't even an issue, he is looking beyond the tourney. These are already technical players who are involved in technical trainings in their respective clubsides so yes, they can blend in 2 months when they arrive so I totally support Siasia on this one, the players need to prepare for next season, it's not easy being an African starter in most European teams, one mistake and you are gone.

Then also, the issue of the injured Segun, I have watched him play before,he is not our best defender, granted but in the qualifers he was our best BALL-PLAYING CB, for now we do not know what Siasia's favoured formation will be but if he requires a 4-3-3 then we need a ball-playing CB more than we need a good technical tackler of the ball, that's just the truth, but I do believe that considering the foreign based defenders that we will also invite, he wont be the best ball-playing CB in the tournament for us so he wont be a starter just a bench piece and that is understandable. And please, Ndidi is NOT going to play as a defender for us! He will be our go-to-DMF, I mean this is a tourney where Neymar and the likes will be attending, we need a good quality DMF not just defenders, I can assure you that without a good DMF, atletico madrid's defence will look like crap and not to mention that we already have Awaziem there who I believe should be the first name on the team sheet, and Kingsley Madu(is he still below 23?) so we have a strong defence line without Ndidi. We should be debating about the formation and technical mindset with which we should approach this Olympics and not doubting the coaches decisions which in the first case clearly is in the favour of our young talents, and in the second case, clearly in favour of building a team that can suit his tactics. Make una no kill me, just my 2 cents

tbaba1234:
Left to me, I will start Success over Ighalo. Ighalo has been off form for months...

TheGoodJoe:

Ndidi is showing promise, I still feel Mikel is a better defensive midfielder and I hope Ndidi continues working hard to outclass Mikel.

So no, I will play Mikel because he is a better midfielder, not because he is a more experienced midfielder.

That is why I want us to kill the experience talk but select who is better.

A more experienced player is meant to play better than an inexperienced player but when an inexperienced player is better than an experienced one, then the experienced one steps aside.

That is why Guily gave way for a teenage Messi at Barcelona. Guily was more experience than Messi but Messi was better than Guily.

At the moment, I do not know a better defender than Pepe, Mascherano, Ramos and Pique. That is why these four defenders are regular at two of the best clubs in the World. Not because they are the most experience players.

If better defenders arise, they will lose their places.

If Ndidi becomes better than Mikel, then Mikel should give way.

Mickael2:
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they do not play thesame position. Success is an out and out winger at Granada now, he is lucky that he plays with both feet so he cuts in and shoots sometimes and crosses the ball at other times but he is no more a striker

Mickael2:
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Left to me, I will start Success over Ighalo. Ighalo has been off form for months...



they do not play thesame position. Success is an out and out winger at Granada now, he is lucky that he plays with both feet so he cuts in and shoots sometimes and crosses the ball at other times but he is no more a striker

Icon4s:
Well ur 2 cents is well appreciated here.

We do not doubt Siasia's technical competence and tactics. What we have been against is his choice of players.

Starting with ur point of d players being too young to handle d busy off season. This is the same period the U20 WC is also played. If U20 players can handle featuring for their clubs all year round and playing d U20 WC in summer what more can u say abt U23 players hu are full professionals and senior national team players already. They can cope my brother.

Going back to team selection u jst mention Awaziem and Madu to b d first on d list nt i can tell u it is Oduduwa and Amuzie that are first on Siasia's list. You rate Awaziem so highly bt Siasia would pick Oduduwa 10times before thinking of Awaziem. He will also pick Amuzie 10 times before considering Madu.

You made mention of Ndidi as d prefered DMF choice right? Bt Siasia would pick Azubuike 10times before considering Ndidi.

He prefers nt to invite players that will b competition to "his boys".

That is just what we have against him, Siasia.

Mickael2:
well my judgement was based on the fact that he was willing to drop Mikel the last time out for other players because of discplinary issues. And yes, I watched the Olympics qualifers, God! Those defenders were awful to say the least but that was all he had then since most clubs didn't release their players for him, but if he wants to stick with those crappy players all in the name of continuity then he has turned into Del Bosque who selects the worse from the bunch. But for all we know he could be using the Tourney as a means of appreciation knowing fully well that he won't take the lot of them to Brazil. The point is that we can't decide till the final list is made available

Icon4s:
Mikel was never a DMF. He was converted by Chelsea. He gained d EXPERIENCE over d years to b where he is today. Ndidi is up and coming. He needs to gain the necessary EXPERIENCE to supass where Mikel is today.

Brother, players get better with experience.

Icon4s:
If Siasia would invite Success he will nt deploy him to d wings.

Siasia likes playing natural wingers as wingers.

tbaba1234:
Not with the 'prolific' Junior Ajayi and Awoniyi.

Icon4s:
He did nt drop Mikel for disciplinary issues. Chelsea did nt release Mikel just like Olympic Marseille didn't release Taye Taiwo.
The only thing he can say that i can accept is he is inviting players he is sure would b available for d games proper. Bt i still know players that would very likely b available dat he has ignored.

Mickael2:
well my judgement was based on the fact that he was willing to drop Mikel the last time out for other players because of discplinary issues. And yes, I watched the Olympics qualifers, God! Those defenders were awful to say the least but that was all he had then since most clubs didn't release their players for him, but if he wants to stick with those crappy players all in the name of continuity then he has turned into Del Bosque who selects the worse from the bunch. But for all we know he could be using the Tourney as a means of appreciation knowing fully well that he won't take the lot of them to Brazil. The point is that we can't decide till the final list is made available