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TheGoodJoe:


He does not need the amount of Mikel's experience to surpass Mikel. Busquets was fresh from the Academy when he became one of the best defensive midfielders of all time.

Guardiola said back then, if he were to come back as a player, he would come back as Sergio Busquets. He preferred Busquets over a highly experienced Seydou Keita.

Busquets did not need World Class experience to become a World Class player.

He believed in his abilities and worked hard.

The most important thing is belief and hard work. Just as we are seeing with Nacho, Success and co. Onazi is highly experienced and top class. Yes, top class but now, Ndidi is better.

If Ndidi believes in himself and works hard, he can become a top defensive midfielder.

I feel Casemiro of Real Madrid who played the Champions League final against Atletico as as good as Mikel and even close to Busquets.

Did Casemiro need Mikel's experience to get to that level?

Mickael2:
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Left to me, I will start Success over Ighalo. Ighalo has been off form for months...



they do not play thesame position. Success is an out and out winger at Granada now, he is lucky that he plays with both feet so he cuts in and shoots sometimes and crosses the ball at other times but he is no more a striker

Icon4s:
U can't tell brother.No one has seen tomorrow. U jst hope and wish that is it. U can't b too affirmative on issues like this.

TheGoodJoe:
You can not tell but what is important is let these boys keep working hard. Let them keep believing in themselves. That is the only way they can find out if they can become world class.

Fortune Favors The Brave.

adeyemi2015:
I believe Siasia isn't a Fool, and he would have watched the Clip of Eagles against the Luxembourg.
Iheanacho, Iwobi, Simon, Ndidi and other qualified Players that played the Match would make the list!
Besides the list is gonna be vetted by the Technical Board, hence any wrong Player(s) picked by him for the Tourney would be rejected!

Icon4s:
Bt u agree they will achieve this over time with d necessary opportunities and exposures right?

TheGoodJoe:


One hundred percent. Mikel gained a lot from Lampard and Ballack in camp. Messi improved working week in week out with Ronaldinho and Guily.

Casemiro gained from training with Zidane and working with a true footballing genius, Luka Modric.

I believed Ndidi gained from playing with Raheem Lawal and will improve from it. I also hope he watches and trains a lot with Mikel.

These will mold Ndidi into a better player.

Icon4s:
Good. That is d EXPERIENCE i am talking abt.

Icon4s:
Good. That is d EXPERIENCE i am talking abt.
U cannot discard or "kill" that system.

TheGoodJoe:

Yes but let us not talk about who is more experience. Let us talk about who is a better player. Who will perform better if they play in a particular position.

Mickael2:
I can also give examples of those same coaches favouring experience.

Guardiola choose Robben and Ribbery over Douglas Costa, Costa for me is the best upcoming winger, I may even argue that he is better than Neymar and I'm a barca fan too, but if Ribbery and Robben are fit, both will start and I can assure you that Ribery atleast isn't better than Costa, just more experienced.

Mancini at Inter right now was trying to purchase old Yaya, he had Kovacic but he sold him to make way for the more experienced Yaya, and let's be honest Yaya has lost it, he lost it after that season that he scored 20 goals.

Simeone plays Torres ahead of Carrasco and Correa, you may have probably seen how good Carrasco is but you really need to watch Correa, that guy would have sent Danilo off, but he starts with Torres, why? Experience. Not to mention that Gimenez is clearly a far better player than Savic but who started the UCL final? Savic, why? Experience bro.

Van Gaal no be coach abeg, no dey involve that guy when we start discussing about top coaches

Icon4s:
My brother u have to talk abt experience too.
Football is all abt team work. More experienced players more easily blend into d tactics of teams. Team selection goes beyond hu is better than hu.

Coaches feel more comfortable working with experienced professionals. They blend more easily with team tactics.

Icon4s:
Good. That is d EXPERIENCE i am talking abt.
U cannot discard or "kill" that system.

TheGoodJoe:

Your points are riddled with holes. First of all, what Savic did in that finals was nothing short of amazing. He was easily the man of the Match. Giminez would never put such a performance. Diego Simeone was sure Savic would match Ronaldo. Remember, CR7 did not beat Savic once. He was definitely the defender with most blocks. For the job to be done that night, Savic was the man. He did not fail and left the pitch with his head held high.

Carrasco did not play as a striker. So how did you expect Simeone to drop Torres for Carrasco. Pepe is one of the fastest defenders. That is why Griezmann and Torres who are pacy strikers were the best options.

Mancini never wanted to sell Kovacic. He was actually Mancini's best player. Zidane respects the boys ability. There was no way Mancini could stop Kovacic when Real Madrid wanted him. That is a pure genius.

Mickael2:
I can also give examples of those same coaches favouring experience.

Guardiola choose Robben and Ribbery over Douglas Costa, Costa for me is the best upcoming winger, I may even argue that he is better than Neymar and I'm a barca fan too, but if Ribbery and Robben are fit, both will start and I can assure you that Ribery atleast isn't better than Costa, just more experienced.

Mancini at Inter right now was trying to purchase old Yaya, he had Kovacic but he sold him to make way for the more experienced Yaya, and let's be honest Yaya has lost it, he lost it after that season that he scored 20 goals.

Simeone plays Torres ahead of Carrasco and Correa, you may have probably seen how good Carrasco is but you really need to watch Correa, that guy would have sent Danilo off, but he starts with Torres, why? Experience. Not to mention that Gimenez is clearly a far better player than Savic but who started the UCL final? Savic, why? Experience bro.

Van Gaal no be coach abeg, no dey involve that guy when we start discussing about top coaches

linked:
The word 'experience' has been abused in modern day football.... An individual been older and with more years of playing football is generically viewed as ''more experieced" in comparison with a footballer of less age and fewer years of pro soccer.... However I will say that this view isnt only flawed but a great deceit...

Experience isnt just by the years in the game but the "learning experiences" a footballer has undergone and his ability to adapt per required.

Thus Neymar @ 23 is more experienced than say Emenike who is older and with more years of football..
The reason is simple.. The former has more "learning experiences" than the latter... This could be got in training or real game time... infact the former has undergone unique learning experiences that the latter has not and may never undergo... This clearly makes the former more experienced.

However that been said I agree with TheGoodJoe in wholism that "Form" should supersede the warped view of "experienced"..

Varane (19) was picked ahead pepe (31) by mou..
because the former has become a better player...

Douglas Costa is very good and he been consistent ... but when Ribery and Robben are in their element, it is only normal they start cos they are better than costa...

Icon4s:
TheGoodJoe, i know d problem here.

I know you well enough to know u are very sound football analyst - one of the best on this forum.

I know u to b very vast abt both FIFA organised and European competitions.

U are a seasoned football analyst

But 1 thing i know abt u also is some times u allow sentiments take over.
Dnt worry, those ur beloved youngsters will get there some day.

I know this experience does nt matter thing is for us to have your favorite youngsters in d Super Eagles team straight away as quickly as possible.

I am sure u know football does nt work dat way brother.

TheGoodJoe:

I do not know why you guys attack me for sentiments. Contrary to you guys beliefs, I am not sentimental. If I want Iheanacho playing ahead of Ighalo, it is because I feel he is better.

If I tell ask you between Iheanacho and Ighalo, who is a better striker, you will say Iheanacho. If we put experience into context, Ighalo will get a nod.

I already said, Mikel is better than Ndidi. This is not because of experience but ability and form. People will say, it is because I am a strong Mikel fan.

That is why I want us not to put experience into context. At the moment, Onazi is not as good as Ndidi. If we take experience into context, Onazi must start over Ndidi. It holds us back.

Let us work more like the way top clubs do. As soon as Barcelona wanted Jordi Alba, it was time for Abidal to go.

When Mikel performed well for the Super Eagles, I think two assists to Obafemi and a goal. Jay Jay Okocha could still carry on and performing well but he pulled his jersey, hung his boots for a teenage Mikel.

Respect Jay Jay for life.

Icon4s:
Sure I agree with you 100%

But to say u dnt consider experience at all. Is what i dnt agree with

linked:
The point is... Experience should be reflected in one's ability...

If you are more experienced show it in your ability on the pitch to cope with a match situation, adapt better than others and show awareness of the fine details of the game...

It show be evident in performance and ability to cope or adapt with the game's demand....

When it comes to experience, stop playing the AGE card..

TheGoodJoe:

The questions a lot of people here, including me are asking is that. If the competition is so important and if these are our star players for this competition, why are the star players not going to the Suwon Tourney to blend with themselves, the coach's training routines and tactics.

Icon4s:
Ask tbaba why Chidozie Awaziem was substituted in the Portigues Cup final.- He was shakey - a symptom of inexperience at that level.

Yes u are right ur experience should speak for u on d field of play. Bt to say experience should b killed? No-no.

adeyemi2015:
I think he's using the Tourney to pick among the fringe Players! Most of them ain't in the Mainstream, rather they are like backups! Only few, probably 5 of them, will make it to the Olympic!

Icon4s:
Sure I agree with you 100%
But to say u dnt consider experience at all. Is what i dnt agree with

Icon4s:
Ask tbaba why Chidozie Awaziem was substituted in the Portigues Cup final.- He was shakey - a symptom of inexperience at that level.

Yes u are right ur experience should speak for u on d field of play. Bt to say experience should b killed? No-no.

Icon4s:
Going back to d original issue raised by tbaba.That Egypt clash was nt the best game to experiment on so many new players. So many good uncapped youngsters were kept out nt bc dey were nt better dan d "more experienced" ones invited bt bc d coach had little time and so prefered to work with the already existing Super Eagles players hu are more conversant with big games of such especially at this continental level. That is jst my pt.

Remember ahead of the return leg in Alexandria i wrote an article on "the dawning of a new era".
We all know it was time for some older players to take d bow and allow for d new generarion. Bt we needed the experiencw of those old boys especially in dat defense for d Egypt clash.

TheGoodJoe:

We are going to this tournament as a preparation for the Olympics. That is why a lot of people here are angry. Why use an Olympic preparatory tournament to prepare and blend fringe players.

Coach Siasia not picking the best is inexcusable.

adeyemi2015:
Except we wish to exhaust them before the Olympics, I think Siasia is right! They've played lots of Matches during the Season, and it won't be a bad idea to excuse them from the Invitational Tourney.
When would they be allowed to rest and freshen up for the Olympics?!
You Guys are on point, but you should also look at it from this angle!

TheGoodJoe:

Your points are riddled with holes. First of all, what Savic did in that finals was nothing short of amazing. He was easily the man of the Match. Giminez would never put such a performance. Diego Simeone was sure Savic would match Ronaldo. Remember, CR7 did not beat Savic once. He was definitely the defender with most blocks. For the job to be done that night, Savic was the man. He did not fail and left the pitch with his head held high.

Carrasco did not play as a striker. So how did you expect Simeone to drop Torres for Carrasco. Pepe is one of the fastest defenders. That is why Griezmann and Torres who are pacy strikers were the best options.

Mancini never wanted to sell Kovacic. He was actually Mancini's best player. Zidane respects the boys ability. There was no way Mancini could stop Kovacic when Real Madrid wanted him. That is a pure genius.

TheGoodJoe:

Success is actually a Striker and not a winger. In the traditional 4-3-3 formation most Spanish coaches adore, the three guys up front are strikers. Just as CR7, Bale and Benzema.

Some feel Bale and CR7 are wingers but it is actually a support striking role. The Support Strikers play on the wings during games.

Saying Isaac Success can not strike is like Saying Messi and Neymar can not strike.

Watch Nacho play as a second/support striker in a traditional 4-4-2 formation with one of the strikers as a support. You see Nacho drop deep and drop to both sides of the wings.

In the 4-3-3 formation, the support strikers do the same thing but play it on one wing.

That is why I expect Nacho and De Bruyne to play more on the wings under Guardiola with Nacho on the left. De Bruyne on the right.

Just like we have seen CR7 and Neymar play as Strikers the season and excel, Success can comfortably play as a striker and excel.