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You need to ask C. T. Russell he knows the right answers, listen to him. You never know 'you may even learn something? {Revelation 1:8} Russell said Jesus is the Almighty, meaning Jesus is God.

Jessicha:
OMG! simple question i asked : who did the bible called THE GOD OF our lord Jesus Christ ? Eph 1:17

double post

CAPTIVATOR:
, remain in your blindness ... the bold said it all

Lie Lie captivator



No, you said it all in your few words showing you haven't a clue about things of the Spirit, of course you don't know and don't believe, but for the Christians here:

God is Spirit,
and with God being God and the Word, then God and the Word is Spirit.
The Spirit of God - God and the Word, is the Holy spirit, simple for those with eyes to see.

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Many scriptures show it, but I won't continue throwing the truth before dogs and swine.

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

brocab:
Praise the Lord it just shows how the Lord works in each of us Christians, and bless zodiakzax's heart, that the Spirit of God had used him to open up this great page, for us all to see.
Dolphinheart you need to check this sight out before we go any further with this conversation below
Charles Russell had made you look like complete fools, everything you have written on this page-you had lied from the beginning.
Chapter 3-Charles Russell himself agree's the Alpha and the Omega is Jesus, {Revelation 1:8, 21:6 and 22:13 {P.55, P 318, P 336} does this prove brocab was right and dolphinheart was wrong once again? Interesting.
Russell had turned this conversation upside down, this shows his leadership and studies into bible literature doesn't really matter any longer concerning the JW's.
Meaning your bible scholars had completely changed Russell's manuscripts. And with this website Russell said In chapter 5-there's no need to learn the Hebrew or the Greek language to gain a correct understanding of the bible since the Presbyterians and the Methodists have a good version of the bible {P-55}.
But I like this one" Chapter 24-Michael the archangel is the Pope of Rome. "And Not Jesus" which you all claim Him to be...
It seems your bible scholars had decided to change history, this is got to be upsetting for you all, everything you have written had been a waste of time, but it's not your fault dolphinheart, you have been taught the lie, rather then the truth.
{Matthew 23:13} "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Trying to rewrite a new bible, is a no-no in the Lords eye's. Your leadership had knowing you suckers will follow after the lie, more then the truth, this is your chance to seek the truth 'go with some of Russell's teachings, and know the truth?
Your bible scholars are lairs, they had completely changed Russell's manuscripts and it's leading you all to hell.
Don't be fools seek the word of God, and come and join with us, we stand in God's army, the larges army there is' in the kingdom of God.
If your bible scholars had changed history and disagree's against Russell's teachings, what other lies have you and your collies been taught over the years you have been faithful towards your organisations.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-jesus-approved

look at what sarang said

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel

totally unscriptural

brocab:
How good are you bro. Well done.
I can already see the changes, where are you dolphinheart and the rest of his nutters?
I will keep this sight just to remind them, these JW's need to rewrite their own bible once again.

All glory to the Lord bro, for givng us this weapon. I have the pdf version of the book, you can give me your email so I send it you. You would love it. And you know, Russell admits that the Holy Spirit is the personality of both the Father and Christ and not an active force, and also that Christ died on a cross not a stake and many more.

Thanks bro, but I believe I had already retrieved the book on the net, and I will be sharing your information for the world to see.
Even as far as my island, everyone is interested in such great knowledge. Thanks brother, but if I need any other details I will come directly to you.
No bro I didn't know Russell admits that the Holy Spirit is the personality of both the Father and the Son, and Christ died on the cross and not the stake, but thanks to you I know it now.

zodiakzax:
All glory to the Lord bro, for givng us this weapon. I have the pdf version of the book, you can give me your email so I send it you. You would love it. And you know, Russell admits that the Holy Spirit is the personality of both the Father and Christ and not an active force, and also that Christ died on a cross not a stake and many more.

brocab:
Thanks bro, but I believe I had already retrieved the book on the net, and I will be sharing your information for the world to see.
Even as far as my island, everyone is interested in such great knowledge. Thanks brother, but if I need any other details I will come directly to you.
No bro I didn't know Russell admits that the Holy Spirit is the personality of both the Father and the Son, and Christ died on the cross and not the stake, but thanks to you I know it now.

okay bro enjoy it to the Fullest.

Some snippets are from :http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_a_trinity.htm
some are mine.


(1st John 5:7 is in the Original Greek. If there were no other verse of the King James Bible testifying of the Godhead, 1st John 5:7 would be enough for any Bible-believer to know that God exists in three Persons — the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7

Now if you have a modern corrupt bible, then you won’t find 1st John 5:7 correctly rendered. I went out and bought a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus” (or Received Text). It contains 1st John 5:7 just as the King James Bible faithfully renders. The translators of the King James Bible rejected certain manuscripts as heretical. The manuscripts which they did accept became know as the “Received Text.”)



The Father is called God.
Romans 15:6, “That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”




Jesus is called God.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1st Timothy 3:16

Again false jw say that the word "God" shouldn't be in that verse,
they are wrong and there are plenty more verses showing that jesus is God,
here is another:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Hebrews 1:8, “But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”


Colossians 2:9, “For in him [Jesus] dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”




The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”




The Holy Ghost is not just God's power:
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.





John 15:26, “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.






"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." —Matthew 28:19,20

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him [Jesus], and a voice came from heaven [God the Father], which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." —Luke 3:22

Done bro, my people on my Island will surely love this.

zodiakzax:
okay bro enjoy it to the Fullest.

Well said brother, as we can see at this present moment the JW's had vanished, Far far away.

johnw74:
Some snippets are from :http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_a_trinity.htm
some are mine.


(1st John 5:7 is in the Original Greek. If there were no other verse of the King James Bible testifying of the Godhead, 1st John 5:7 would be enough for any Bible-believer to know that God exists in three Persons — the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7

Now if you have a modern corrupt bible, then you won’t find 1st John 5:7 correctly rendered. I went out and bought a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus” (or Received Text). It contains 1st John 5:7 just as the King James Bible faithfully renders. The translators of the King James Bible rejected certain manuscripts as heretical. The manuscripts which they did accept became know as the “Received Text.”)



The Father is called God.
Romans 15:6, “That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”




Jesus is called God.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1st Timothy 3:16

Again false jw say that the word "God" shouldn't be in that verse,
they are wrong and there are plenty more verses showing that jesus is God,
here is another:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Hebrews 1:8, “But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”


Colossians 2:9, “For in him [Jesus] dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”




The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”




The Holy Ghost is a person:
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.





John 15:26, “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.






"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." —Matthew 28:19,20

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him [Jesus], and a voice came from heaven [God the Father], which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." —Luke 3:22

brocab:
Well you still follow after your bible scholars teachings, even though you had left C. T. Russell behind, you still follow man who had written your New World Translation bible of lies.
At least C. T. Russell seen the truth, Jesus is the Almighty-where you yourselves can't see any of that truth. Do what you do best "hide.

I hardly quote NWT on this forum just because of folks like you who hve been eaten up by hatred. can you pls tell me the name of that Man you said wrote the NWT ?


besides, na simple question I asked you : who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ ?

brocab:
You need to ask C. T. Russell he knows the right answers, listen to him. You never know 'you may even learn something? {Revelation 1:8} Russell said Jesus is the Almighty, meaning Jesus is God.

Rusell never belived in Trinity though some of his explanations might be far from perfect. so he isnt as blind as you

The one, who is , who was is clearly differentiated from Jesus ( see Rev 1:4-6) , this us a matter of scriptures. therefore Rev 1:8 is referenced to Jehovah, the Almighty.


" When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: , “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless. " Genesis 17:1.

Jehovah is the Almighty, who has no God he worships , instead all other creations including Christ worship Jehovah. read 1 cor 15:28

brocab:
Interesting? I will get a lot of good reading from the Finished Mystery book, while reading down the page I had found this to be interesting-Russell's meat in due season.
It say's this "To talk with a Jehovah witness in our day will usually mean that the identity of our Lord Jesus will be readily reduced far below the truth found in the bible regarding His deity. But strangely Charles Taze Russell Believed Jesus is the Almighty in {Revelation 1:8 This was the very few times that Russell was correct in his teachings about Jesus}
This just shows the world the JW's don't follow after their own leadership C. T. Russell today, and I find it Interesting to know the JW's on this page would place themselves in full view to the world, by admitting they are willing to lower themselves by lying for the public to see, and of course they had denied their very own founder Mr Russell's teachings.
The JW's are willing to lower themselves to every creeping thing that crawls on this earth.
Case is closed dolphinheart, Jesus Christ is the Almighty God, written and signed in full by your high and mighty Charles. T. Russell himself.
I advised the JW's to look up C. T. Russell's teachings and match it up with the bible and study what the truth is.

we are not russelites, we are JEHOVAH'S Witnesses. (Isa 43:10 ; Act 10:41) sink that into your skull

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy



Of course the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit
God is God and the word
God is Spirit

God and the word is Spirit
God and the word is the Holy Spirit

These simple truths of the Spirit, cannot be understood by sectarians and other non believers.




In (brackets) mine, things are spelt out and false jw still doesn't see-believe it

Blindness @ bold


ur case ehn na critical one . the spirit of God is the Word , again u said the spirit of God is holy holy spirit. so spirit of God is two ? that quaternity not trinity lolzzzzz

and if u insist its the same thing that means the Word is the holyspirit , are u now admitting the holyspirit ( the Word) became Jesus ?

alexis:
Can you please show us where the septuagint said CREATE? I am not arguing that RSV said create or not. The point was simple, the verse was talking about Wisdom and not Jesus. But most importantly, God existed eternally and He used Wisdom and that is what Proverbs 8:22 was referring to.

Greek Wisdom in Prov 8:22 LXX (italics added - Brenton LXX in English): “The Lord made (ekitse) me the beginning of his ways for his works.

check strongs for that greek word ekitse, it means create. thats Septuagint for you.

Jessicha:
I hardly quote NWT on this forum just because of folks like you who hve been eaten up by hatred. can you pls tell me the name of that Man you said wrote the NWT ?


besides, na simple question I asked you : who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ ?

if you hardly quote NWT here, are we to believe that you don't do so bcs you blv it's a wrong translation? If you don't use your blasphemous bible here then you don't have any point whatsoever. Aside your bible all other translations say "and the Word was God" so if you want to use our bible translation to argue then I will say you are only foolish to continue your argument. But if u use your blasphemous bible then you can properly argue your points. Don't For any moment assume I acknowledge your bible bcs am advising you to use it, but you see the thing is, you don't have any reason to argue if you don't use your NWT. Our bible makes it clear that Jesus is God. But urs changed it and says He's a god. So don't come here and say things you know littel about. This forum is not for just any ordinary member of your cult. You only make a fool out of urself and your cult members here. Who in turn are making a fool out of Charles Russell your divine appointed founder ( so he claimed). You said we don't follow a man, you are right we don't follow men but Christ but we can't do so if there are not Men to preach and teach. Paul,Peter etc were all men, we follow after their example and their doctrine bcs we blv and are convinced it's divinely orchestrated, the same way Russell believed the Finished Mystery is divinely giving to him. The leaders you follow at the WTS now are men and they give you instructions you follow. If you don't follow men then who do you follow? We can say we follow the Holy Spirit bcs He's come to live in us and bring the things of God to us so we can graciously follow Christ. You don't have the infilling of the Holy Spirit nor beleive that is possible, so again who do you follow? You only deceive yourself, nay, satan is the one deceiving you.

Jozzy4:
Greek Wisdom in Prov 8:22 LXX (italics added - Brenton LXX in English): “The Lord made (ekitse) me the beginning of his ways for his works.

check strongs for that greek word ekitse, it means create. thats Septuagint for you.

you Are quick to quote greek to prove your point. So why don't you quote greek when it comes to John 1:1? Nonetheless your point is still invalid bcs Pov 8 isn't talking about Christ. We have explained to you the meaning of that word there but u decide to hold on to the one that makes you happy. I believe we shld all start using the greek mss to make our point here esp from the New Testament, we can use your Kingdom Interlinear greek bible, at least. Please am waiting for your John 1:1 in greek and the word for word translation of it. Thank you

Jozzy4:
Blindness @ bold


ur case ehn na critical one . the spirit of God is the Word , again u said the spirit of God is holy holy spirit. so spirit of God is two ? that quaternity not trinity lolzzzzz

and if u insist its the same thing that means the Word is the holyspirit , are u now admitting the holyspirit ( the Word) became Jesus ?

Lie Lie jozzy



Following captivator is like the blind leading the blind.


The Holy Spirit is not two
the Holy Spirit is God
God is one
God, is God and the Word
God and the Word is the Holy Spirit

The rest of what you say is just more of the same old confusion and repeated lies.

You don't and cannot understand, even a thing that is so simple for Christians,
the Spirit is needed, who you don't know.

Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Biblical Evidence for the Godhead

By David J. Stewart

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE." —1st John 5:7

The Bible, God’s Word, proclaims that there is ONE God (Deuteronomy 6:4), Who has revealed Himself to mankind in three distinct Persons; namely, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Although the term “Trinity” is not found in the Scriptures, the word “Godhead” most certainly is — in 3 places!

Romans 1:19, 20 states…

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse.”

Some people (such as Muslims) foolishly claim that belief in a Godhead (aka, Trinity) means worship of three gods (polytheism). This simply reflects their woeful ignorance of the Word of God. The LORD our God is ONE Lord (Deuteronomy 6:4); but He does exist in three Persons, i.e., a Trinity.

Acts 17:29 states…

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”

Colossians 2:9…

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.”

1st John 5:7 is in the Original Greek. If there were no other verse of the King James Bible testifying of the Godhead, 1st John 5:7 would be enough for any Bible-believer to know that God exists in three Persons — the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7

Now if you have a modern corrupt bible, then you won’t find 1st John 5:7 correctly rendered. I went out and bought a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus” (or Received Text). It contains 1st John 5:7 just as the King James Bible faithfully renders. The translators of the King James Bible rejected certain manuscripts as heretical. The manuscripts which they did accept became know as the “Received Text.”


How Can One God Exist in Three Persons?

Some people feel like they have to provide an answer for every question. Well, that’s not true. Doctors are still perplexed as to what causes the human body to sneeze; but it’s an obvious fact. Mankind’s brightest secular scientists cannot with any certainty tell us how life began, nor can they tell us how big the universe is, nor can they create even the simplest of life forms in a laboratory. It makes infinite more sense to accept the Bible’s claim that God spoke the universe into existence by the Word of His mouth (2nd Peter 3:5). Ironically, the same people who refuse to believe the Bible without proof; readily believe the bogus tales of unsaved scientists, even without as much as a single shred of credible evidence to support their claims. This clearly evidences the wickedness of man’s heart against his divine Creator.

Colossians 2:2, 9 acknowledges the Godhead as a “mystery” …

“…to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ… For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

Colossians 2:9 plainly teaches that the Godhead became incarnate in the fleshly body of the Lord Jesus Christ. 1st Timothy 3:16 declare the same truth…

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh…”

Someone has said that "BIBLE" in acronym forms means:

B = Basic
I = Instructions
B = Before
L = Leaving
E = Earth

I like that. Too many people refuse to accept God at His Word and continually put God on trial in their mind. Can anyone really explain how ONE individual can exist in three Persons? I don’t see how. Some Bible-teachers like to use the fact that humans are composed of body, soul and spirit; but we are still one person; not three. This is not a good example of the Godhead. I can’t give you a good example, and won’t try. God is God and we don’t have to figure out how to describe Him to an unsaved world of Christ-rejecters. To those who believe, no explanation is necessary; to those who believe not, no explanation is possible. Let us just accept God as the Bible portrays Him.

The Scriptures identify each Person of the Godhead as “God.” The word "Godhead" is a Bible word (Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, Colossians 2:9).

The Father is called God.
Romans 15:6, “That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”


Jesus is called God.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1st Timothy 3:16

Hebrews 1:8, “But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”

Colossians 2:9, “For in him [Jesus] dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”


The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”

1st Timothy 3:16, “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS manifest in the flesh, JUSTIFIED IN THE SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”


The Godhead and Our Salvation

God the Father sent His only begotten Son (John 3:16).
John 5:36, “But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.”


The Son was sent to be the propitiation (to appease the wrath of God) for our sins.
1st John 4:10, “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”


The Holy Spirit reproves us, teaches us, guides us and testifies of Jesus Christ.
John 14:26, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

John 15:26, “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”


More Scriptures Testifying of the Godhead

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." —Matthew 28:19,20

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him [Jesus], and a voice came from heaven [God the Father], which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." —Luke 3:22

Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible.

God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17... "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."


Jesus SAID in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one."


The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2... "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them."


Each Person of the Godhead was Operative in the Old Testament.

The Father — Isaiah 64:8, “But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”


Jesus — 1st Corinthians 10:1-4, 9, “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”


The Holy Ghost — Hebrews 3:7-11, “Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved ME, and saw MY WORKS forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.)”
From the very first chapter in the Bible, God makes it known that He consists of more than one Person--

Genesis 1:26-27, “And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him.”

Genesis 3:22, “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil...”

When Isaiah had a vision of the Lord sitting upon a throne, the Lord asked him a question…

Isaiah 6:8, “Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for US? Then said I, Here am I; send me.”

In the Old Testament, we find that God has a Son (Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 2:7-12) and a Spirit (Isaiah 40:13, 2nd Samuel 23:2, Judges 3:10, et cetera). We also find that the LORD [Jesus] said that the LORD [God the Father] would send Him to the earth (Zechariah 2:10,11).


Didn’t the Trinity Teaching Originate in Pagan Religion?

Some false teachers today are claiming that the Biblical doctrine of the Godhead (Trinity) has it’s origin in pagan religion. This is not true at all. The fact of the matter is that Christianity predates ALL known religions. We read in Genesis 15:6 that Abram (Abraham) “believed in the LORD; and he [Jesus] counted it to him for righteousness.” Abraham lived around 2,000 B.C. It was the heathens who tried to imitate and corrupt genuine Christianity. This has always been Satan’s dirty game.

John 8:44 and John 10:10 tell us that the Devil is a big liar who comes only to kill, steal and destroy lives. Only a woefully ignorant person would dare claim that Christianity didn’t exist before the time Christ was born into the world. History and archaeology document that Old Testament Israel very much awaited and centered their religious beliefs around the coming Messiah. It was because of earlier prophecies that the 3-wise men journeyed from the east (likely from Babylon) to witness the birth of the Savior, Jesus, in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). Is the Trinity "Pagan?"


Conclusion

The modern Bible perversions take out the word, "Godhead" and they attack the deity of Jesus Christ. One man told me that it was difficult for him to understand the deity of Jesus Christ while he read the New International Version (NIV). Once he changed over to the King James Bible, it was abundantly clear. This is no surprise to me.

To no surprise, the NIV oftentimes agrees with the Jehovah's (false) Witness’ New World Translation (NWT) in the verses it deletes. In fact, EVERY complete verse that the NIV deletes is deleted in the NWT. It also deletes many of the same words and phrases including 1st John 5:7.

The precious and trustworthy King James Bible teaches that there is ONE God, Who exists as a Godhead. It may not make good math; but it makes good Bible. We don’t need to comprehend or even partially understand the mystery of the Godhead to be saved, we simply need to come as a guilty sinner to the cross of Calvary and trust upon the blessed Son of God to wash away our sins with His redeeming blood (1st Peter 1:18,19).

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_a_trinity.htm

Jessicha:
Rusell never belived in Trinity though some of his explanations might be far from perfect. so he isnt as blind as you

The one, who is , who was is clearly differentiated from Jesus ( see Rev 1:4-6) , this us a matter of scriptures. therefore Rev 1:8 is referenced to Jehovah, the Almighty.


" When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: , “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless. " Genesis 17:1.

Jehovah is the Almighty, who has no God he worships , instead all other creations including Christ worship Jehovah. read 1 cor 15:28

Russell didn't believe even when the scriptures clearly teaches it. Jessica answer my question if you can.

IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE GOD

since you said Jesus is a God, is it not good to know what type of God he is.

IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE GOD

brocab:
Praise the Lord it just shows how the Lord works in each of us Christians, and bless zodiakzax's heart, that the Spirit of God had used him to open up this great page, for us all to see.
Dolphinheart you need to check this sight out before we go any further with this conversation below

brocab, I know you will use any means posSible so that you will not answer those questions or respond to those scriptures. For pages and pages, month over month, you have tried different methods to change the issues so that you wunt answer the questions and wunt quote and explain the scriptures posted to you. This is a new one you want to use again, IT WILL NOT WORK BROCAB, I WILL NOT STOP ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN THOSE SCRIPTURES.

You have tried lies, it did not work, you have tried twisting my words, it did not work, you have tried to attack my personality, using defamation tactics, but it still did not work. Now you bring up a book I've never read, written about a hundred years ago, over things they no longer believe in, which you yourself do not believe in, so that it will help you in your quest of not quoting and explaining certain scriptures. you want to discuss a book , yet you vehemently refused to quote and explain certain verses in Gods word.

you claim that the spirit of God used zodiakzax, but the spirit you claim to be in you cannot help you to quote and explain those scriptures posted to you or answer those questions that are based on what you had earlier said.

I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

brocab, answer those questions and respond to those scriptures you have been asked for months and tens of pages on the this thread, then we can move on to this issue you bring up. stop searching for excuses!

Charles Russell had made you look like complete fools, everything you have written on this page-you had lied from the beginning.

for Your mind!

Chapter 3-Charles Russell himself agree's the Alpha and the Omega is Jesus, {Revelation 1:8, 21:6 and 22:13 {P.55, P 318, P 336} does this prove brocab was right and dolphinheart was wrong once again? Interesting.
Russell had turned this conversation upside down, this shows his leadership and studies into bible literature doesn't really matter any longer concerning the JW's.
Meaning your bible scholars had completely changed Russell's manuscripts. And with this website Russell said In chapter 5-there's no need to learn the Hebrew or the Greek language to gain a correct understanding of the bible since the Presbyterians and the Methodists have a good version of the bible {P-55}.
But I like this one" Chapter 24-Michael the archangel is the Pope of Rome. "And Not Jesus" which you all claim Him to be...
It seems your bible scholars had decided to change history, this is got to be upsetting for you all, everything you have written had been a waste of time, but it's not your fault dolphinheart, you have been taught the lie, rather then the truth.
{Matthew 23:13} "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Trying to rewrite a new bible, is a no-no in the Lords eye's. Your leadership had knowing you suckers will follow after the lie, more then the truth, this is your chance to seek the truth 'go with some of Russell's teachings, and know the truth?
Your bible scholars are lairs, they had completely changed Russell's manuscripts and it's leading you all to hell.
Don't be fools seek the word of God, and come and join with us, we stand in God's army, the larges army there is' in the kingdom of God.
If your bible scholars had changed history and disagree's against Russell's teachings, what other lies have you and your collies been taught over the years you have been faithful towards your organisations.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-jesus-approved

you are a very cunning fellow brocab, trying to pit Russell's works against the watchtower later works and then claiming both are lies, cus if you are asked if you surpport all ressell said, you will start stammering.

This is what the watchtower said:

"The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of
The Watchtower , he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.— Colossians 1:18-20 ."

Did Russell make mistakes? yes!
must one continue in those mistakes when one has been guided to the truth? no
so now if the organization humbly changes there beliefs as a result of further carefull examination of the scriptures, does it mean they are liars ? no!

the kjv was in existence for a while, it was used by some christians during the 1800's and 1900's, but with the discovery of older , more reliable manuscripts , and with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls , it was discovered that several additions where made to the scriptures. example of these is rev 1:11 which, if reading from the kjv would have led one to believe that Jesus is also called alpha and omega. bible students of that time too would have had this problem, thus reaching a wrong conclusion.
This older and more reliable manuscripts have helped a lot, there are a lot more manuscripts available now to examine and cross check, it has been found that the words "alpha and omega" found in rev 1:11 are spurious additions to the scriptures.

you accuse jehovahs witnesses of changing the scriptures, but when the same change is shown to you from translations from other translators who believe in trinity, you refuse to accept it.
you say their scholars are liars, but when the same conclusion is reached by majority of other scholars as to some verses in the scriptures , you still refuse to accept.

you must have wondered why most of the critical texts do not agree with the kjv, why most translations also do not, and why the kjv deliberately removed the name of God from most places it occured from its translation. but you will not go into it, cus what you will find their will affect your present beliefs. that removal of gods name from the bible has affected gods people then, and it's still affectin some now!
zodiakzax , pls tell, is it good to remove gods name from the bible and replace it with something else ?

READERS SHOULD NOTICE , THAT WHILE HAPPY TO ATTACK THE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES , THEY HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY OTHERS ALTERNATIVES

brocab your issues are still awaiting your response:

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

brocab:
Interesting? I will get a lot of good reading from the Finished Mystery book, while reading down the page I had found this to be interesting-Russell's meat in due season.
It say's this "To talk with a Jehovah witness in our day will usually mean that the identity of our Lord Jesus will be readily reduced far below the truth found in the bible regarding His deity. But strangely Charles Taze Russell Believed Jesus is the Almighty in {Revelation 1:8 This was the very few times that Russell was correct in his teachings about Jesus}
This just shows the world the JW's don't follow after their own leadership C. T. Russell today, and I find it Interesting to know the JW's on this page would place themselves in full view to the world, by admitting they are willing to lower themselves by lying for the public to see, and of course they had denied their very own founder Mr Russell's teachings.
The JW's are willing to lower themselves to every creeping thing that crawls on this earth.
Case is closed dolphinheart, Jesus Christ is the Almighty God, written and signed in full by your high and mighty Charles. T. Russell himself.
I advised the JW's to look up C. T. Russell's teachings and match it up with the bible and study what the truth is.

I do not trust your words brocab, you have been proven to lie mostimes, so you need to provide sources ok.

Secondly you believe Russell when it suits you and refuse to believe him when it does not suit you, I prefer to examine each of what he said, compare it with the scriptures, and then reach my own conclusions!
I've explained what rev 1:7,8 said , I used the scriptures to explain it. you could not falter my explanations , you could not offer any contrary explanations.

meanwhile , these issues has not been adressed by you :

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

The reason Russell's words is to be taken seriously is that Russell claimed he was specially anointed by God ( meaning he had the holy spirit) which Jehovah witness can not say they are.
The truth presented by an anointed man and the truth presented by some supposedly bible researchers which one do you prefer@Jws.

If you say you reject Russell that means you reject Jehovah's inspiration or Russell was a liar which again raises questions

The reason Russell's words is to be taken seriously is because Russell claimed he was specially anointed by God ( meaning he had the holy spirit) which Jehovah witness can not say they are.
The truth presented by an anointed man and the truth presented by some supposedly bible researchers which one do you prefer@Jws.

If you say you reject Russell that means you reject Jehovah's inspiration or Russell was a liar which again raises questions

dolphinheart:
brocab, I know you will use any means posSible so that you will not answer those questions or respond to those scriptures. For pages and pages, month over month, you have tried different methods to change the issues so that you wunt answer the questions and wunt quote and explain the scriptures posted to you. This is a new one you want to use again, IT WILL NOT WORK BROCAB, I WILL NOT STOP ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN THOSE SCRIPTURES.

You have tried lies, it did not work, you have tried twisting my words, it did not work, you have tried to attack my personality, using defamation tactics, but it still did not work. Now you bring up a book I've never read, written about a hundred years ago, over things they no longer believe in, which you yourself do not believe in, so that it will help you in your quest of not quoting and explaining certain scriptures. you want to discuss a book , yet you vehemently refused to quote and explain certain verses in Gods word.

you claim that the spirit of God used zodiakzax, but the spirit you claim to be in you cannot help you to quote and explain those scriptures posted to you or answer those questions that are based on what you had earlier said.

I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

brocab, answer those questions and respond to those scriptures you have been asked for months and tens of pages on the this thread, then we can move on to this issue you bring up. stop searching for excuses!


for Your mind!



you are a very cunning fellow brocab, trying to pit Russell's works against the watchtower later works and then claiming both are lies, cus if you are asked if you surpport all ressell said, you will start stammering.

This is what the watchtower said:

"The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of
The Watchtower , he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.— Colossians 1:18-20 ."

Did Russell make mistakes? yes!
must one continue in those mistakes when one has been guided to the truth? no
so now if the organization humbly changes there beliefs as a result of further carefull examination of the scriptures, does it mean they are liars ? no!

the kjv was in existence for a while, it was used by some christians during the 1800's and 1900's, but with the discovery of older , more reliable manuscripts , and with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls , it was discovered that several additions where made to the scriptures. example of these is rev 1:11 which, if reading from the kjv would have led one to believe that Jesus is also called alpha and omega. bible students of that time too would have had this problem, thus reaching a wrong conclusion.
This older and more reliable manuscripts have helped a lot, there are a lot more manuscripts available now to examine and cross check, it has been found that the words "alpha and omega" found in rev 1:11 are spurious additions to the scriptures.

you accuse jehovahs witnesses of changing the scriptures, but when the same change is shown to you from translations from other translators who believe in trinity, you refuse to accept it.
you say their scholars are liars, but when the same conclusion is reached by majority of other scholars as to some verses in the scriptures , you still refuse to accept.

you must have wondered why most of the critical texts do not agree with the kjv, why most translations also do not, and why the kjv deliberately removed the name of God from most places it occured from its translation. but you will not go into it, cus what you will find their will affect your present beliefs. that removal of gods name from the bible has affected gods people then, and it's still affectin some now!
zodiakzax , pls tell, is it good to remove gods name from the bible and replace it with something else ?

READERS SHOULD NOTICE , THAT WHILE HAPPY TO ATTACK THE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES , THEY HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY OTHERS ALTERNATIVES

brocab your issues are still awaiting your response:

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

sorry dude, you have no case. Of course watch tower will deny his teaching, do you know why? Bcs the Devil is a confused being himself. Russell was right in somethings and wrong in some, what we are saying is. he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is a person etc. But of course WTS will deny it bcs their father is of the devil. Hmmm my friend, I can only pray for you, don't you see you are being deceived? The JW's on the link we shared were very concerned about the finished mystery and some by the mercies and grace of God have turned to Jesus their God and Saviour. May God open your eyes

See as they are avoiding this thread like disease
May God have mercy on these Jehovah witnesses, help and deliver them.

May Jesus reveal himself to you.
If you encounter Jesus like Saul did.you will realise your foolishness all these while

zodiakzax:
sorry dude, you have no case. Of course watch tower will deny his teaching, do you know why? Bcs the Devil is a confused being himself. Russell was right in somethings and wrong in some, what we are saying is. he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is a person etc. But of course WTS will deny it bcs their father is of the devil. Hmmm my friend, I can only pray for you, don't you see you are being deceived? The JW's on the link we shared were very concerned about the finished mystery and some by the mercies and grace of God have turned to Jesus their God and Saviour. May God open your eyes

You didn't even bother to read his post, Russell rejected flase teachings. Unfortunately most of you have been feeding on many false teachings and will continue till you die even when you know your doctrines are false! It takes great humility to reject false beliefs and make adjustments. By the way tell us your own Church.

solite3:
See as they are avoiding this thread like disease
May God have mercy on these Jehovah witnesses, help and deliver them.

May Jesus reveal himself to you.
If you encounter Jesus like Saul did.you will realise your foolishness all these while

See who's talking, you that doesn't even know who Jesus is. Jesus is son, father, holy spirit and Almighty according to you guys, continue.
No wonder atheist even mock you people!

How good it this dolphinheart you are back in action, again this isn't about you dolphinheart, this time we are talking about Russell and about his teachings you refuse to believe, as you can see we have different doctrines, Russell's doctrine is different from your doctrine. Russell believes Jesus is the Almighty, he also believes Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega in {Revelation 1:8, 21:6, 22:13}
So you are right I don't believe in your doctrine of lies. And It shows someone has to believe in some of Russell's teachings, obviously you have forgotten who your master, teacher and founder is.
Because you yourself had denied Christ, and refusing to explain who the Alpha and the Omega is, then of course Russell had to come to the rescue and save the day.
He had answered my questions clearly-only because of your refusal C. T. Russell agree's that {Revelation 1:8} is talking about Christ, and of course I myself agree with some of Russell's teachings on the bible, then It's right for me to back the man up on these few issues.
After reading some of the Finish Mystery of Russell's manuscripts it shows clearly today's JW's had left his teachings behind. Instead of agreeing with the man 'you have all turned after Satan.
The old argument is finished, the new argument is about to start, is Jesus the archangel Michael? Or is the archangel Michael Jesus the Pope?
So from now on dolphinheart it is best for you to quote your own lies to your own master the devil himself. You may have lost your way-trying to find the lies you seek, you won't find it amongst us Christians. Unless you are searching what is truth, and you need us Christians to help you find that truth in Christ? "Amen"

dolphinheart:
I do not trust your words brocab, you have been proven to lie mostimes, so you need to provide sources ok.

Secondly you believe Russell when it suits you and refuse to believe him when it does not suit you, I prefer to examine each of what he said, compare it with the scriptures, and then reach my own conclusions!
I've explained what rev 1:7,8 said , I used the scriptures to explain it. you could not falter my explanations , you could not offer any contrary explanations.

meanwhile , these issues has not been adressed by you :

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
........................................................

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

And according to C. T. Russell's teachings, Jesus is the Almighty God.

goodnews201668:
See who's talking, you that doesn't even know who Jesus is. Jesus is son, father, holy spirit and Almighty according to you guys, continue.
No wonder atheist even mock you people!