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Jozzy4:
Learn to comprehend, solite said Rusell himself not book, claim to be SPECIALLY ANOINTED BY GOD, and i ask is it by seeing Jesus asking him to become a pastor or reverend like ur men in black always claim ?

dolphinheart:
good, me and my fathers are humans, apply the these statement to jesus. If jesus and God have same nature it means both jesus and God are what? gods!, no wonder the disciples specifically seperated the gods and told us who our God is!(A verse you refused to respond to)


now zodiakzax, in heaven is jesus as God nature , equal to the father?
If you had read my post very well, you will see that I had no time said Jesus was human when I said he had the same nature with God, so your question is unnecessary.
I can agree with you if you had said that nature makes him a god, cus actually we are talking about two persons here, the father and the son, unless you want to say they are the same person .
likewise iF my Father is a Person and also a human, and I'm a person and also a human, it means we are two humans, not one!

Secondly , you said the father is greater than me in position, can we apply these to jesus too,? if so then jesus is not the almighty God , cus no one is superior to the almighty God in position, that is why he is called the most high!


you are very wrong sir, Jesus did not come as both man and God, I'll first quote and explain the scriptures you mentioned then add mine .

phil 2:6 English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the previous verses gives us an insight into what Paul was saying here , Philippians 2:6 makes no sense at all if Jesus is viewed as ‘God.’

[b]3.nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[/color]

some translations translate verse 5 as:" Have this attitude in yourselves, which was also in Christ Jesus."

If Jesus was ‘God’ he could not have been tempted to do something from “selfishness or empty conceit” nor could he be tempted to “merely look out for” his own “personal interests.
paul counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be equal with God”? Surely not!
However, they can imitate one who “gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”

now does jesus beING in the form of God mean jesus is almighty God ? no , the earlier discussion about father and son being humans cus they have same nature clears that, and the fact that Jesus did not consider grabING the notion that he could be equal to God surpports that.
These other scriptures also give credence to the fact the jesus is not almighty God.

col 1:15 English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

English Standard Version
gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
some translations say : " in his image"
if seth is not adam cus he is in the image of adam and same nature with adam, then we can see that Jesus is not God cus he is in the image of God, just like seth is a man, like Jesus is a god.

let's continue, for verse 7, I'm going to quote from different translations to emphasis the point there
[b] phil 2:7
New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, BEING MADE IN HUMAN LIKENESS.

English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

New American Standard Bible
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

International Standard Version
Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be,

NET Bible
but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man.[/u]

did this verse say Jesus retained his divine nature or form when he took on human form? no! the verse indicate jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF and became human. There was no addition of any form but a total change in form!

verse 8 supports this view
English Standard Version
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Jesus was found only in one form when he came to earth, not 2 in 1 form.
If jesus was fully God when he came to earth , satan would have right to claim no human can remain Faithfull to God and sinless till death, cus according to you jesus was more than human, he was also God .

verse 9, and 11 now concludes the matter, snowing us that jesus is not God, nor he the God he was reffering to earlier, he also identified who god is.
HOPE YOU REMEMBER WHO JESUS CALL ED THE TRUE GOD, WHO HE IDENTIFIED AS OUR GOD AND WHO THE APOSTLES LISTED AS OUR GOD OUT OF THE MANY GOD'S.

English Standard Version
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name
New International Version
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

do we have other scriptures that surpport this
[b]Joh 1:14So the Word BECAME FLESH and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Heb 2:9But we do see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone.

Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

read also Ac 2:32, 33; Joh 14:28; Isa 53:2, 3; Joh 10:17


King James Version
Mt 21:15And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased
Mt 21:16And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

King James Version
Ps 8:2Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

zodiakzax, if you had been a reader of the scriptures you would have understood better
read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities
Ps 8:1 O Jehovah our Lord, how majestic your name is throughout the earth; You have set your splendor even higher than the heavens!
Ps 8:2 Out of the mouth of children and infants you have established strength On account of your adversaries, To silence the enemy and the avenger.

Mt 21:9Moreover, the crowds going ahead of him and those following him kept shouting: “Save, we pray, the Son of David! Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name! Save him, we pray, in the heights above!”

did Jesus come to proclaim his name,? no he came to proclaim the fathers name(jehovah)
who Did Jesus claim to be the source of his wonderful works? the father.
that crowd, unlike the Pharisees know who they are praising and who they are blessing, and Jesus knew too.


ill adress this part in ma next post .

brocab:
KJV {Numbers 11:17} the Holy Spirit is given to other members of Moses tribe so they can share in the burdens together, In your NWT Bible "IT" is describe as the Holy Spirit. You should watch what you say when describing to Spirit of God, do you call the Son and the Father an "IT" too?

brocab:
KJV {Numbers 11:17} the Holy Spirit is given to other members of Moses tribe so they can share in the burdens together, In your NWT Bible "IT" is describe as the Holy Spirit. You should watch what you say when describing to Spirit of God, do you call the Son and the Father an "IT" too?

brocab:
KJV {Numbers 11:17} the Holy Spirit is given to other members of Moses tribe so they can share in the burdens together, In your NWT Bible "IT" is describe as the Holy Spirit. You should watch what you say when describing to Spirit of God, do you call the Son and the Father an "IT" too?

johnw74:
Jesus said:
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

But of course Lie lie jozzy doesn't believe the Bible
he has a different bible (and believes the watchtower), and a different jesus (an angel), and a different holy spirit (impersonal)

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy




Of course you don't know that the Word Jesus Christ is God's Spirit, how could you, you are false jw
of course you don;t believe the Bible, we know that, you are false jw

The Spirit of God hath made me
who made me?
the Word Jesus Christ

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was mad


Lie Lie jozzy, by your own words you are a deceiver and false teacher, but we have long known that

zodiakzax:
as usual you lack the ability to comprehend and interpret scripture. In the context in which that was written, do you think Peter implies we become Diety bcs we partake of the Divine Nature? Does this scripture in any way imply we will have God's nature? God says of Himself " ... my Glory will I not give to another..." Isaiah 42:8, and yet Christ asks God to restore Him to the same Glory God has John 17:5. Phil 2:6 ( Christ having the Nature of God). There's no scripture that says we will have the Nature Of God or Divine Nature? Maybe if you want to know what Peter means in that vs, you can visit this link.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/2-peter-1-4.html

zodiakzax:
Mr Jozzy4, this is from the mouth of the OP of this thread (https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people). So is she wrong? Am I to assume you have different understanding? thought you said there's No division among you? Anyways WTS can deny him as the founder but you see the world knows the truth, you can check this link out.

http://www.patheos.com/Library/Jehovahs-Witnesses

solite3:
the words he who was, who is and is to come is a reference to the deity Jehovah. Since both Jesus and his father are one Jehovah those words can be applied to Christ. Since the voice who was communicating with john was that of Christ we can say that 1:8 is referring to Christ which Russell also believes

Jozzy4:
He speak based on the bible student movement, show me where Rusell himself claimed to Be The founder of Jehovahs Witnesses ?

Jozzy4:
Run away bawo ? Dont be silly , thats what the Bible said .

Jozzy4:
I will take u serious if u admit the one sitting on the throne at Rev 5:1 is Jesus ?

Jozzy4:
I will take u serious if u admit the one sitting on the throne at Rev 5:1 is Jesus ?

Also you can read John 12:37-43. Can't wait to see how you will explain it. Since you fight against Textus receptus so much pls be my guest to use any other greek rendering to explain it. We blv ur bible translation is wrong, you say ours (kjv) is wrong. In order to understand each other pls let's use a greek version. Kingdom Interlinear greek (KIT) will be perfect since it was published by the watch tower.

brocab:
But like me, most people would go further into the Finished Mystery and find the actual site where C. T. Russell had written his manuscripts. Which again you failed to do, from this site given to you, had shown to all the world 'who see's C.T.Russell said in he's own words the Alpha and the Omega is Jesus Christ, which you have once again refuse to take notes off.

Stop lying dolphinheart everyone and "I" have written the scriptures over and over to you, and of course the world can see the hardship us Christians had laid verse after verse, so even you may have enough sense to know the word of God, is true.
But of course your argument is yours, who could stand with your period-er state of mind, no-one is cutting your post and I suppose you still think the boogie man is living in your closet.

brocab:
Lets finish {Philippians 2:6-7} in the NWT bible.
Although He was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure {Other words a heart attack} Namely that He should be equal to God.
{V 7} No but He emptied Himself and took a slaves form and became Human.
{V 8} More than that when He came as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death.

Jesus in Spirit had become a man, Father like Son One Spirit became man.

As you believe> {Revelation 1:8} I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end say's the Lord, who is and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty Is the Father.

So if this is the Father, then the Father is Christ, because it was Christ who was alive and was dead and look He is alive forevermore.

{Other words who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty}
Which leaves Jesus and the Father are One Spirit One Man........

zodiakzax:
@ Dolphinheart, like I said you don't make sense. If Christ wasn't both God and Man when He came, then explain these scriptures:

John 1:10, John 1:14, John 5:18,Mark 2:27-28, John 10:30-33, John 14:7-11,John 8:58, Phili 2:5-8.

The Wise men worshipped Him: Mt 2:11
His Disciples worshipped Him: Mt 14:33
Canaanite woman worshipped Him: Mt 15:25
Others Worship Him: Mt 28:9

After ascension He was worshipped: Luke 24:52 etc

Only God can be worshipped cf Rev 22:8-9.

John 5:18: clearly the Jews understood His stand when He said God was His Father, that indeed made Him equal with God. Unless you blv you know more than the Scribes and the Pharisees.

Another qtn: why was Heb 1:8 changed in your NWT. And why did Thomas call Him " the Lord of me and the God of me" hence rendered My Lord and My God?


DolphinHeart, you claim I don't read your posts well, but clearly it seems you also don't read mine well. I told you to use Kingdom Interlinear greek bible in our further discussions but you refused. Pls I won't reply to you again unless you use the greek bible. The KIT is published by your own pple so feel free and use it.

All your replies doesn't make sense, you are clearly speaking against the very scripture we use. Your pple deny your founder Russell, if I were you, I would want to find out why your very founder Russell's teaching was banned, why he made those claims, but No, you won't bcs you are scared of the truth. I only pray for you.

zodiakzax:
hahahahha, liar, by the way the OP Is a she. " Jehovah witnesses had its Origin in the Bible Student movement. IT founder was Charles Taze Russell in the 1870's..." It founder... what is the IT there referring to? It seems you will clearly lie even if the truth is obvious. This is simple English, its either you don't know your grammar or U are just trying to be a pain in The ass. She was asked a qtn, " Who is the founder of JW's..." and that was her answer. Unless of course you Are divided.

unlike you , I prefer to examine the scriptures and learn what it is telling me, did it tell me that Jesus is the alpha and omega ? no .

I quoted those scriptures to you,(Rev 1:1,4-8, Rev 3:2,12, heb 1:9) I explained what it said there, but fear of exposure has kept you from quoting and explaining those scriptures, you , brocab is searching left and right for people and books that surpport your views, but you will not quote and explain the scriptures that explain who the Alpha and omega is!

even when those scriptures are posted and explained to you, all you do is run away from it and act like you did not see it, you refuse to respond to the scriptures quoted to you in them!



did I ask you to write the scriptures ?no !
This is my request, that you should respond to issues at hand :
meanWhile, issues at hand:
issues at hand:
I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!
PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand
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1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

[2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
[b]Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? [/b]And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab

1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?

2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?

3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?

5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.[/quote[ it was you who said Jesus is a spirit which Jesus himself refuted
[quote]]6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!

1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?

2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.

King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!

That's not
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?

how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation - Rev3:14

The Father is the source of all creation not Jesu , dont u read 1 cor 8:6 " the Father , FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE " !!!

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation - Rev3:14

The Father is the source of all creation not Jesu , dont u read 1 cor 8:6 " the Father , FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE " !!!

CAPTIVATOR:
The greek ekitse means what ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Your doctrine is shit ... Only the Father knows ( Scripture )

CAPTIVATOR:
U are saying shit

CAPTIVATOR:
So how does this mean he knew the hour of the end ? He said authority not that he knew the time of the end , so just admit he doesnt know


Besides, how can the Almighty God be given authority ?

Jozzy4:
Hahahaha, when something is Made is it not created ?

Ignorance of the highest order , the translator use Made whereas the greek word ekitse means create . grow up lol

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alexis:
Revelation 3:14 declares: "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.’" Using these words, Jehovah’s Witnesses claim Jesus to be the first creation of Almighty God and therefore, not God. The only problem here is the actual text. The word translated "beginning" (Gk. arche) here actually means "source." In other words, it means "beginning" as in the first cause, not in the sense of being the "first effect." Arche is used as such elsewhere in the book of Revelation. In chapter 21, verse 6, Almighty God says: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end . . ."

according to you arche is the right word and it means source and you said it was used in revelation 21:6. How do you explain it?
Don't mix things up, I'll explain those portions but let's take it bit by bit.

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Do we want to say God was created because arche is used to describe him? By no means! Understood properly, Revelation 3:14 reveals Jesus to be the source of God’s creation—God himself. This fits perfectly with John’s christological declaration in John 1:1-3: the Word created "all things . . . and without him was made nothing that was made." If the Word was created, he would have had to create himself, which is absurd.

Me Deny the Bible? The Bible has made it clear who Jesus is. Let us not use doctrine to challenge Doctrine. Let us use scripture that is clear to interpret scripture that is not clear. Revelation is a very deep book and one can't grasp it's meaning easily. So, let's put revelation on hold for the sake of debate. I will like you to explain these to me:

1. John 20:28 = And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Here you have Thomas who is a jew, who knows that the Lord God is one. Why would Thomas address Jesus as God? Mind you, this is not a sign of respect; this is a sign of worship to the reference to someone mighty.
2. John 5:18 = Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.. Here is another time the jews tried to kill Jesus; why - the reason is stated clearly, Jesus told them that He and God the Father was equal. This is a direct statement coming from Jesus own mouth. How can you explain this?
3. Philippians 2:6-10 = Verse 6 nails it right on the head. It said - Jesus who being in the nature/form of God - the verse claims direct equality of Jesus as God. Paul of course was a jew and knew what that meant. If you read the rest of the verses, it explained when Jesus was a man, he succumbed himself as a man. That is what you heretics JW don't get.

So, do me a favor and explain these clear passages I have mentioned and tell me what Jesus, the jews and Paul was claiming?

solite3:
[author=dolphinheart post=46325212]
you examined nothing, and you learnt nothing.
both the father and the son are called alpha and omega which means first and last or beginning and the end

I have even proven that Jesus is Jehovah God the only creator and he took on the form of man and heis a man even in heaven as a priest. Which none of you could disprove. I asked you and your folks if Jesus was a true God or a false God yet none of you could answer.
[2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
[b]Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? [/b]And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab@ bold this question is becoming stale
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? Jesus was not just a spirit but he was God. John1:1
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?The holy Spirit is a person, he is called the spirit of Christ and of God and he was the anointing on Jesus
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?heare from Jesus own mouth. Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, and see; for a spirit hath not[b] flesh and bones, [/b]as ye see me have
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" the father is greater than him because he put on the form of a servant Phil 2:6
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.[/quote[ it was you who said Jesus is a spirit which Jesus himself refuted
]6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question. the discussion is not about soul
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others..... let me help you, type those verses and then we can discuss...................................
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Jesus as a man was elevated to a new position as the high priest
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!If the father by nature is Almighty and if Jesus has same nature as the father then Jesus is all mighty. A Lion will equally give birth to a lion
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[img]YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?the resurrected body is a glorified one
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.are you saying if Jesus want to retain those marks in his body he cannot do it
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus. when Jesus walked on water was he a spirit? Didn't the disciples think he was a spirit
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!angels can materialise as humans to be able to relate to humans that does not mean they have bodies. That's not
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not? Jesus was not just any spirit he was God and that did not change
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth? it is you deny him.@ cancelled part which type of spirit nature God's nature or that of angels.

Jozzy4:
False teacher ... Jesus, the Word is not Gods spirit

johnw74:
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was mad