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9jacrip:
You're welcome sir.

Some people claim Obalufon 1 & 2 were Oduduwa's sons which means Obamakin, Ogun were Obatala's people. I don't know if this is in that book.

Obalufons ogbogbodinrin (Obalufon alayemore's father) factually is part of Obatala's group. Obalufon shrine is around Igbo Itapa. Infact, in my compound we used to have Ilesun, Ilale & Balea (Balea is the line of Obalufon descendants). Their house is called Ile Balea.

But I wonder why some people tag him & his son with Oduduwa

Do you have this in the book? Besides I would love to get a copy of the book.

Ghost01:
I think this should answer your question:
"On the departure of Oduduwa, his eldest living son, Obalufon Ogbogbodirin succeeded him. And when the latter died, his own son, Obalufon Alayemore succeeded him while Oranmiyan, Oduduwa's youngest son was away on sojourn. But on hearing the news, Oranmiyan quickly returned to Ile-Ife and drove his (nephew), Obalufon Alayemore, from the throne. Oranmiyan then became the Ooni and Alayemore fled from the town to found a town now known as Efon Alaaye in Ekiti. Aftrr the death of Oranmiyan on the throne as the Ooni of Ife, his (nephew) Obalufon Alayemore, who fled Ife was recalled to the throne of Ife as the Ooni; he ruled till the end of his life and died on the throne of Ife" (Adegbola, 2009: 101).

macof:
But Ogbogbodinrin was a member of Obatala's family not Oduduwa's

@9jacrip, do you know anything about Ooni Ayetise?

macof:
oh please shut up! even though I learn every time from him, there's nothing in that post of 9jacrip I haven't heard before. ...
... did you not see where it was stated " Here's my hypothesis" in a bid to answer the question - why does the Ooni and oba of Benin cover their nose in public?

you that your mother tongue is Yoruba what's the etymology of Adimula? ... please answer o... Ms. mother tongue, head of state of Yorubaland.


hateful?! have yoruba not shown some hate to other ethnic nations?
you say we can't be united, yet yoruba marry into those two ethnicities much more than any other. ... say another thing please

Ghost01:
Adegbola also has some interesting ideas about the tussle between Obatala and Oduduwa. According to him, citing different accounts (both oral and written), Obatala, Orunmila and some elders preceeded Oduduwa to Ife, but only to prepare the ground for his -Oduduwa's - arrival. On getting to the earth, Obatala was leader of the first delegation and after Oduduwa later arrived, the former refused to hand over power to the latter. It was Obameri who later rose up in arms against Obatala upon hearing that Obatala drove Oodua out of his palace. Obameri conquered Obatala and drove him out of town.

9jacrip:
I'm just seeing this.

The writer, from the snapshot, did a good job but the emboldened holds no water.

Why?

The elders of Ife were all heads of their several sections but with a rotational confederacy and prior to Oduduwa, there had been about 90 individuals who filled the position.

If there had been about 90 something confederacy heads then it makes Oduduwa a 'prophetic' figure which is in no way historical but rather mythical.

The disagreement was largely over those who should live on hills and those who should live in the fertile valleys. Oduduwa and his clan wanted to move down from the hill to be a part of the confederacy and was opposed by others, especially Orelu Ore who poisoned a member of Oduduwa's family. (Orelu Ore started the beef).

Hill(s) settlers wanted to live and own fertile parts of the valleys but their rejection meant they had to start war.

Obatala being high from Palm Wine for most of the period made for a a horrible leader in the time of war and the dislike people like Obameri,Lokore, Baba Sigidi, Gbonkaa had for him got them switching sides.

The war was hot, there was a lot of destruction, it was in the thick of the war Obatala realized his love for alcohol/intoxication did him more harm than good and tried to quit to focus on the war but it was too late. The larger part of Ife had already grown to see Oduduwa as a better warrior/leader.

Obameri did a good job to frustrate Obatala, he forced him to Ideta Oko where the latter's brother (Osangangan Obamakin) was king (of Ugbo - Ilaje/Mahin) who then stepped down for his big brother, hence, Obatala became king in Ideta Iranje Oko - a base from where several attacks were launched but effected little to no changes. (Oba takun takun l'ode Iranje).

During our procession, we tow the same path our fathers took during the exile; from the family compound we walk through Ita Olopo Street, face the Ayegbaju church then walk through Oja Ife then come out through Moore then head for Mokuro. I think Obameri & Lokore both have/had homes in that neighbourhood considering the songs we sing when we trudge past the Ayegbaju church area depicts 'beef' song.

Oh, I should add that the Obameri guy had palm wine in a gourd while walking us out of Ife to Igbo Ogbe. When we stepped into the Mokuro axis, he drew a line/boundary by pouring palmwine on the floor drawing a line with it (an insult & a reminder of Baba's fall).

His descendants do this to us during every Itapa festival but upon our return into Ife, they pour water on the flour to wash it off for us to walk on.

I'll add a snapshot below:

Wyttcat:
You need to shut your low self-esteem fraudulent identity face for being desperate to be who you are not. You are ashamed of who you really are. Ooni doesn't cover his nose, and you need to stop catching crumbs falling of Yoruba's table to make an identity for your tribe.

Yoruba marry from all over the world and that doesn't mean that all the countries have to merge. You are ibo/edo, stay that way and give Yoruba as much respect as they give you, and everything will be fine as good neighbors.

Etymology? When you didn't even know what Adimula was and how it's pronounced until someone came to your rescue? What next? Float through the air and shoot lasers from your eyes?

macof:
you still dey here? bitch please go concentrate on your job

you don't know me so keep believing I'm igbo and Edo...it only shows that you are very stuupid

even the yoruba you are claiming you are and I'm not, you don't know a thing about

Wyttcat:
I'm going to be here to bust your lies as long as I want. Maybe you should get a job to improve your self esteem.

You gave yourself out as most likely to be a cross breed of the two tribes that hate and are obsessed with Yoruba.

I don't need to claim to be Yoruba, leave that to anyone more Yoruba than I am here to take up, it's now your backcase. Ask the Yoruba that are teaching you the "ta ta ta" you know and they will tell you that ABINIBI(me) is different from ABILITY(you) You didn't know Adimula, Yoruba is NOT your mother tongue

macof:
this one has been dreaming about me
cus only in your dreams could this happen

macof:
oya madam commander in chief of Yorubaland, Empress of Oduduwa


just tell us the etymology of Adimula and let me rest, since yoruba is your mother tongue

olawalepopoola:
Fake story! The Oonis aren't the true son of Oduduwa! He is a son of a slave that forced himself on the throne when Oramiyan travelled beyond the Niger and parts of south! Oramiyan finally settled in Oyomesi, which now forms the Oyo kingdom, which is headed by the Alaafin. Oduduwa had one son called Okanbi, who in turn had seven children, non belonging to the Ife royal families:
1. Alake of Egbaland
2. Oniketu of Ketu land
3. Orangun of Ila Orangun (Town of Bisi Akande)
4. The king of Ijesha (Town of Aregbesola)
5. Olowu of Owu (the town of ObJ)
6. Onisabe of Sabe
7. Onipopo
Omonoba of Benin was his grand child. Oramiyan left Ile-Ife, on coming back his slave had taken over his seat, he had to sacrifice it to avoid blood shed and headed towards the west. He was with the royal crown. His diviner had told him to settle down where his white slip (Ibi ti esin ti yo) and that is where he settled down. That is the source of the name Oyo. Oyo town of today was not was its ancient location. The were driven from Oyomesi due to war that engulfed them. Another important grandsons of Oduduwa and sons of Oramiyan are Sango and Ajasa! Ajasa married a Nupe woman and began a dynasty! Can you see why SW cannot fight Northerners! Sango relocated to the west but Ajasa preferred to stay back. For all who care to listen the present day Obas in Ile-Ife doesn't have blood affiliation with
Oduduwa! They were those on ground before the entry of Oduduwa. The are several rooms for several gods in the palace of Ooni, but one of those rooms can only be entered by the progeny of Oduduwa and not the Oonis.
DON'T REWRITE OUR HISTORY

Wyttcat:
Lame, maybe when you wake up from your Yoruba wannabe induced coma you are in.

Wyttcat:
Which Adimula? The one you thought mean "the one that covers nose." You didn't know Adimula pronunciation or the meaning, and now that you were corrected here and you have gone to learn more about it, you now have something to say. That's so dumb!

macof:
ok I was wrong. .I don't wanna argue with you. Now tell me the meaning of Adimula, break it down for me in pure yoruba since yoruba is your mother tongue and not mine

macof:
how can I be in coma and be posting on nairaland. Chai!


just say you have a crush on me

Wyttcat:
Are you slow? Someone has taught you right here what Adimula pronunciation and meaning are, make do with that for now, it's quite a jump from thinking it meant covering nose to where you now know it's not. Abinibi yato si Abiility.

Wyttcat:
If one can type while sleeping, it's possible with comatose too, hehehe!

Crush on your moniker? Not only crush na crunch!

macof:
this one will not leave me o

ordinary break down of a yoruba word she cannot do na to claim abinibi abinibi is not by mouth

if I tell you adimu is covering nose, that is still correct in a break down of the word -di- cover, imu - nose. .. help my brother 9jacrip finish it by giving us the etymology as it relates to wrestling? just say you cannot, it's no shame





then why can't you leave me alone? did your pastor drop a name that sounds like my moniker to you as your future husband?

Wyttcat:
You are now sounding like a girl, a little girl and what a shame! is it your ghost I'm quoting? It takes two to tango. T'ina o ba tan l'ori, eje o le tan l'ekana.

Typical, the word you just learnt the meaning and pronunciation right here on nairaland is the same word I should break down for you.

Your hand is being cut and you are saving a ring, what use is the ring when your hands are gone?

Your Adimu with (high octave)you are talking about is different from the Yoruba Adimula (low octave)which every Yoruba child has heard from elders.

Your analogy is like saying 'entering IGBODU means going to igboland." You are wrong and you know it, just admit it like a man if you have any dignity left and give it up.

Even if I'm one of those "my pastor says," robot, you won't be a contender even in my worst day. But have on good authority that only men that can't get girls in real life run after girls online.

macof:
good, they are different words, I've given mine now give yours
so the "learning" can be complete. someone said Adimu relates to wrestling. ..how can you break down the word to show its relationship with the act of wrestling?

Its really not complicated. just say you cant do it and we move on

run after girls online? you the one chasing me for months....i wonder why

Wyttcat:
Same old roller coaster.

You have been busted, admit it and move on! Forget what Adimula is related to. The basic are the pronunciation and the meaning, and you failed both. You got to sit before stretching both legs. Give it up, this shows you are unprincipled and frustrated.

If exposing you means I'm chasing you then many of you here will either have to start telling the truth or deal with it. I will continue to hold you liars' feet to fire. I'm not going to stop pointing out inconsistency wherever I find one.

macof:
you don't know it. .self acclaimed teacher has failed and cannot admit it

expose me for what again?

Wyttcat:
A student like you is suspended and expelled from school, you are a lost cause.

You have been exposed as everything that's wrong with the world.

sweetgala:
9jacrip are you an ifa initiate and are you from Ile Ife.
I myself am from the oshinkola house . Omo kebe bi olofofo

Talentprince:
I really luv hw my igbo brothers did the did 't invade this thread.
But if it was an igbo thread u would have have seen hw the would have brouth out their oduduwa mentality into the thread..
op thanks fr the post i. learnt yoruba history 2day.
So ibos are part of u guyz history..hmm. wonderful

sweetgala:
9jacrip are you an ifa initiate and are you from Ile Ife.
I myself am from the oshinkola house . Omo kebe bi olofofo

macof:
ok. run along now