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ettaetta:
lol i take it that you ran out of ideas and dont know what to answer thats why you said stupid question. Well I have my reason for asking which is, i want to know about what you believe as an Atheist

Did u even read his whole reply before saying he has run out of ideas?

If you can prove to me that I don't have a flying yellow horse, I will prove to you that God does not exist.

frank317:
Did u even read his whole reply before saying he has run out of ideas?

of course i did but i didnt see any valuable point

ettaetta:
lol i take it that you ran out of ideas and dont know what to answer thats why you said stupid question. Well I have my reason for asking which is, i want to know about what you believe as an Atheist

No, those were indeed unintelligent questions to ask, they indicate a large gap of logical & scientific ignorance on your part.

It's not logical to ask someone to disprove a claim that has not even yet been proven. The person making the claim needs to provide evidence for his own claim. In the absense of said evidence anyone is perfectly justified in rejecting, or refusing to accept his claim.

If I told you I was a real Cloud Goddess, I'd have to prove it to you if I wanted you to believe me. Perhaps with selfies of myself in the clouds, chilling in my kingdom. It'd be ridiculous for me to say to you "Prove that I'm NOT a real cloud goddess!" This kind of request is so logically backwards that the only group of people other than theists who I can recall making it, are children in grade school.

Secondly, evolution involves tiny genetic changes that happen over millions of years which gradually alter the morphology and behavior of organisms, causing branching lineages of species to emerge. No monkey can ever birth a human or vise versa because monkeys split from our evolutionary lineage over 5 million years ago. We are not the same species.

Please don't take this as merely a petty insult because it's not. But this is more proof that many theists are scientifically illiterate, which leads to their acceptance of unproven superstitions.

ettaetta:
all this are signs of the end as prophesied in the bible, in due time God will take away pain and suffering and wipe away our tears.


You didnt even answer my question,

So the fact that nepa is messing up is a sign of end time ba . why are u embarrassing yourself in this manner

Dejideji1:
Answering that question will lead to an infinite regression of causes. And i feel this is where most Atheist miss it. God is not bound by the dimensions of space and time, God is outside of time meaning he has been existing before time began.

He created time so as to achieve cause and effect so that there will be consequences for every action taken. It's only something that is bound by time that can be created (meaning having a beginning) So God doesn't need to be created.

when we talk about eternity (in religion) it simply means timelessness and that is in heaven, the abode of God. As humans we will find it extremely hard to comprehend since we are operating in a system governed by space and time.

And u know alk this because.........

ettaetta:
but i have heard many athetst saying they belive in evolution. Now tell me

what then do you believe in?

Fyi


You dont "believe " in evolution just as you do not believe in the theory of relativity.

Not all atheist accept the theory of evolution just as not all atheist accept that the earth is spherical.

The only common denominator for all atheist is the lack of the belief in a god or gods .

urahara:
So the fact that nepa is messing up is a sign of end time ba . why are u embarrassing yourself in this manner

lol you make me laugh, simple questions i posted, non of you has been able to answer to back up what you believe.

cloudgoddess:
No, those were indeed unintelligent questions to ask, they indicate a large gap of logical & scientific ignorance on your part.

It's not logical to ask someone to disprove a claim that has not even yet been proven. The person making the claim needs to provide evidence for his own claim. In the absense of said evidence anyone is perfectly justified in rejecting, or refusing to accept his claim.

If I told you I was a real Cloud Goddess, I'd have to prove it to you if I wanted you to believe me. Perhaps with selfies of myself in the clouds, chilling in my kingdom. It'd be ridiculous for me to say to you "Prove that I'm NOT a real cloud goddess!" This kind of request is so logically backwards that the only group of people other than theists who I can recall making it, are children in grade school.

Secondly, evolution involves tiny genetic changes that happen over millions of years which gradually alter the morphology and behavior of organisms, causing branching lineages of species to emerge. No monkey can ever birth a human or vise versa because monkeys split from our evolutionary lineage over 5 million years ago. We are not the same species.

Please don't take this as merely a petty insult because it's not. But this is more proof that many theists are scientifically illiterate, which leads to their acceptance of unproven superstitions.

Wa gbayii

sirthisthickkal:
[b] I understand what you mean I really do. it's sometimes difficult to believe what you cannot see, besides like they say "seeing is believing". But if we allow that saying to determine the way we live our lives then we will all be heading towards self destruction and mental darkness.
You believe that there is gravity, right? But can we see gravity? No! Yet we believe in it because we can feel or sense it and that is what keep our planet plus the whole universe in a balanced state.
We all breath in air to survive, don't we? But can we see air! No! Yet we believe in it because we can feel or sense it and that is what keeps us alive.
The almighty God has created many things so that we can know he exist even though we can't see him, when we bleed within days we heal, when we sleep we become unconscious and all of the sudden we come back to life so to speak, when we cram something we have the ability to remember exactly the way it was stored for the next 20 years, I can go on and on. All this evidence. After perceiving this things and we marvel at them, don't you think it would be ungrateful of us if we fail to give the credit to the one who created them? how would you feel if people refuse to give you credit for something you worked hard to create or build for their benefits? no doubt you will fill bad perhaps even calling them ingrates. How much more God. Don't you think he really deserves our praises and worship? Yes of course.

Gracias! [/b]

Atheists dont believe in god not because they cant see him but because there is no evidence for him or her or it.


Thank goodness , if all these processes and abilities u have listed shows that they must be a god . then your god construct who is able to do far more than all these also has to have a god and also be grateful to his god .

donnffd:
How do you know it was God(Yahweh) that did it?

what if its Allah or Zeus or Krishna or Vishnu or Thor or Odin or Sango or Amadioha or Poseidon or Apollo

what if the universe was simulated by an intelligent alien kid for his school assignment

what if what caused the universe is inanimate or not intelligent at all

what if the universe is the group work of many entities that came together to create a masterpiece

how can you be sure that your God is the right one

All this points u have listed are all equal with the god hypothesis .

Dejideji1:
Don't mind them. They think we can't reason out of the box, now i have decided to tackle them with science and logical reasoning. I have read of many seasoned astronomers, molecular biologists, physicists etc that have come to the realization that God truly exists.

What logical reasoning

urahara:
Fyi


You dont "believe " in evolution just as you do not believe in the theory of relativity.

Not all atheist accept the theory of evolution just as not all atheist accept that the earth is spherical.

The only common denominator for all atheist is the lack of the belief in a god or gods .

you dont believe in creation or evolution what do you believe in?

cloudgoddess:
Atheism does not require acceptance of evolution. But obtaining a proper understanding of evolution leads some people to realize that biblical account of creation makes no sense, which leads to them becoming atheists.

Some Christians with a competent understanding of evolution do still believe in god. It takes a ton of cognitive dissonance but it's possible.


Side note before I begin my explanation:
Abiogenesis and evolution are two seperate studies. The basic mechanisms behind evolution have been proven beyond reasonable doubt. We know that evolution is the process that's been driving the diversification of life on earth, since the first life forms appeared.

Abiogenesis, which tells us how those first life forms got started in the first place, is still in the works. But regardless of whether or not one accepts abiogenesis, that still does not leave room for a deity who poofed every animal onto earth in their present forms. We know that is impossible because of evolution alone.

So, now for my answer:
For us to recreate abiogenesis as it occured on earth ~3.5 billion years ago, we would both have to know exactly what conditions were present during the emergence of the very first self-replicating molecules (which were far simpler than any modern cell, likely a short strand of RNA with a lipid coat), and then be able to manipulate those conditions in a lab setting.

We have made partial progress on those two steps.

We currently know some of the conditions that were implicit in the formation of life. We know that first, the earth had to cool; in it's beginnings Earth was a harsh, blazing hot ball made from the same nebula that formed the sun, completely hostile and unstable for the delicate chemical reactions required for self-replicating molecules to form.

Then an atmosphere had to form. Current evidence says early earth's atmosphere most likely contained carbon dioxide, ammonia, and methane, and little to no oxygen in it's first stages. Lightening storms and volcanic activity were commonplace.

The results of the Miller Urey experiment, conducted in 1950's gave us good evidence that the molecules that act as the building blocks of life (amino acids & nucleotides), could have formed spontaneously on primitive earth, by the interaction of lightening with it's CO2, methane, & ammonia-rich atmosphere, and hot water (from deep sea hydrothermal vents).

https://www.mhhe.com/biosci/genbio/enger/student/olc/art_quizzes/genbiomedia/0049.jpg

This experiment produced over 20 kinds of amino acids, and has been reconducted several times since it's initial run, consistently producing amino acids of varying quantities.

As I said, research on abiogenesis is still being conducted, and just like everything science has ever discovered, it will take time to get to the point of being able to recreate life "from scratch" ourselves, if such a thing would even be desireable (for example, why start from scratch when we can already copy and edit the DNA of pre-existing organisms? it's like typing a message over and over from the beginning instead of just copying and pasting.)

But slowly we're discovering more and more, and the evidence continues to coincinde with natural physical, chemical laws we are familiar with. In other words, there is still no sign of the formation of the first cells, or the organic materials leading up to them, having been a supernatural event.

Cloudgodess making me proud since 10 bc.


You have still not answered my question on johnnies thread

ettaetta:
lol you make me laugh, simple questions i posted, non of you has been able to answer to back up what you believe.

Abeg , abeg ,.

Dont try to change the subject . for every ridiculos statement u make , u must give account.

Please kindly explain to us how the failures of nepa are sigbs of end time

urahara:
And u know alk this because.........

urahara:

What logical reasoning

Oga, did you read this thread from page one? I doubt it because if you did you wouldn't be asking me this questions.

urahara:
Abeg , abeg ,.

Dont try to change the subject . for every ridiculos statement u make , u must give account.

Please kindly explain to us how the failures of nepa are sigbs of end time

dont misquote me i didnt say only nepa failures but all the hard times and all the bad things that happen, read 2 Timoty 3 verse 1

ettaetta:
dont misquote me i didnt say only nepa failures but all the hard times and all the bad things that happen, read 2 Timoty 3 verse 1

My bros they have been hard times since the dawn of the homo sapiens . bad things have been happening since prehistoric times .

Nepa s failures are as a result of bad leadership and not any mumu end times

urahara:


My bros they have been hard times since the dawn of the homo sapiens . bad things have been happening since prehistoric times .

Nepa s failures are as a result of bad leadership and not any mumu end times

then what is the cause of bad leadership?

ettaetta:
then what is the cause of bad leadership?

Purely human factors , no spiritual mumbo jumbo crap involved

ettaetta:
then what is the cause of bad leadership?

Religion. There is no incentive to correct bad leadership if the invisible man in the sky promised others that he will punish them after death.

Adherents of religion claim that they are merely passing through earth and this life. Home is somewhere after death.

So who is causing bad leadership? The people who believe that there are mansions in the sky waiting on them.

The level of ignorance of these Atheists on NL still baffles me, and the fact that we are even in Africa Where the practice of witchcraft/sorcery is very common makes it more flabagasting.
I know they don't believe in it even though their exploits are so glaring for all to see. But simply because it has no scientific proof they say it doesn't exist.
I watched a live camera recording mounted in a police car chasing a robber somewhere in the US. after a long Chase, the car of the robber vanished into thing air. the police were shell shocked as they just couldn't figure out what happened and they lost the robber. The video is on YouTube and it has had several million views. so far, nobody as been able to explain the trick he used.

There are many more occurrences like that, that defiles natural laws. That is to show that there is more to this world than you can see. And most of those things can not be scientifically proven.

urahara:
All this points u have listed are all equal with the god hypothesis .

I wasnt listing points, i was asking how he was sure his God is the right one and not any of the other possibilities

urahara:
Cloudgodess making me proud since 10 bc.


You have still not answered my question on johnnies thread

Haha you flatter me

I didn't answer because I didn't know the answer I started to research it but got sidetracked.. I'll post the one relevant article I found

donnffd:
I wasnt listing points, i was asking how he was sure his God is the right one and not any of the other possibilities

The obvious reason god is the right one is because it is in the bible .

cloudgoddess:
Haha you flatter me

I didn't answer because I didn't know the answer I started to research it but got sidetracked.. I'll post the one relevant article I found

Kk. Cloudgodess.

Thats why u are the greatest .

urahara:
The obvious reason god is the right one is because it is in the bible .

Lol

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cloudgoddess:
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donnffd post=46638306:

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@urahara, cloudgoddes, donnffd and Co, I'm currently compiling some ground breaking evidences from modern physics that will shatter your believe system. I will also post some comments from Max Planck, Einstein, Eugene and other renowned physicists.
Afterall, this are some of the guys that are giving you the theories you are thriving upon. Unfortunately cloudgoddes and donnffd are not physics student, I don't know of urahara. So that you can appreciate the terms in the context, although nothing complex no equations or mathematical models just some findings on matter and quantum physics. @jonnydon22 will appreciate better.

[quote author=cloudgoddess post=46636428][/quote]Have you read that book i told you about? It exposed the flaws in Darwin's theory of evolution. Try to read it.

Dejideji1:
@urahara, cloudgoddes, donnffd and
Co, I'm currently compiling some
ground breaking evidences from
modern physics that will shatter your
believe system. I will also post some
comments from Max Planck, Einstein,
Eugene and other renowned physicists.

Afterall, this are some of the guys that
are giving you the theories you are
thriving upon. Unfortunately
cloudgoddes and donnffd are not
physics student, I don't know of
urahara. So that you can appreciate
the terms in the context, although
nothing complex no equations or
mathematical models just some
findings on matter and quantum
physics. @jonnydon22 will appreciate
better.

I wasnt a physics student but i am a physics enthusiast and i try to keep in touch with it so trust me when i say, i would really appreciate it...

Although, siting that physicist who believed in God should be a determinant for all to believe in God is absolutely wrong...

NB: Einstein ddnt believe in a personal God(e.g yahweh, allah e.t.c), he believed in the God of Spinoza, God of order and beauty, the summation of the Physical laws of the universe.

donnffd:
Although, siting that physicist who believed in God should be a determinant for all to believe in God is absolutely wrong...

NB: Einstein ddnt believe in a personal God(e.g yahweh, allah e.t.c), he believed in the God of Spinoza, God of order and beauty, the summation of the Physical laws of the universe.

Oga why are you in a hurry? Do you know what I want to post? And who told you that all the physicist i want to quote believe in God? I only want to give you some mind boggling questions that will challenge your thinking faculty and make you revise your stand on the issue of the existence of God. What i want you to know is that the deeper you go in science, the more you will begin to realize that all this things in existence couldn't have occurred randomly, there must be a creative mind behind it.

That is why i just laugh at the so called Atheists here on NL because all you read is theories postulated by some individuals. How deep have you gone in scientific research and practicals?

Those who have gone really deep (those that postulated those theories you thrive on) have come out to say there must be a creative mind behind everything in existence. I'm even thinking of creating another thread for this so that I can fully confront all of you.

Dejideji1:
That is why i just laugh at the so called Atheists here on NL because all you read is theories postulated by some individuals. How deep have you gone in scientific research and practicals?

Those who have gone really deep (those that postulated those theories you thrive on) have come out to say there must be a creative mind behind everything in existence. I'm even thinking of creating another thread for this so that I can fully confront all of you.

Bro, relax, its not fight...

You have the right to believe in a supernatural being same as atheists having the right not to believe in it

The idea that we read "theories" and that makes us Atheists is so so wrong

Science doesnt make you an atheist, Logical Reasoning(and to some extent, religious beliefs and their holy books) does...