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theoneJabulani:
the sun has more stake at being called god than even god himself

winner01:
This singular word is why you dont deserve my time.

KingEbukaNaija:
Now you come .

So let's assume God , a conscious eternal creator , did not do it . Can you explain how everything came out of nothing ?

theoneJabulani:
I think u are asking the wrong question. if u had a chance, would you create a universe as flawed as ours

KingEbukaNaija:
You don't evade my questions young man . I ask again , can you explain how everything came out of nothing without any supernatural help . You do realize nothing includes every constituent of the universe .

If you answer this question, I'll answer yours and adduce bible verses

theoneJabulani:
I don't know how something can come out of nothing, it could be the aliens, the big bang, or just another reality in the multiverse or parallel universes.

KingEbukaNaija:
So what caused the Big Bang ? And can you provide video proof of this event or some proof this actually explains the origin of the universe . How can aliens exist when there is nothing , there is no proof for multiverse or parallel universe - it's an assumption , an idea with no compelling evidence .

You didn't give a straight answer with proof .

theoneJabulani:
what part of I don't know don't u understand? Everything are just assumptions BT everyday science keeps getting closer. to find answers

KingEbukaNaija:
So you don't know how everything came into existence and you are certain God is not the cause . This means you believe without any evidence whatsoever that a conscious eternal creator did not create the universe . Am I right ?

theoneJabulani:
at least not a God who creates the plants b4 the sun

KingEbukaNaija:
The appropriate rebuttal may not be necessary but let's address this anyway .

Does a supernatural Being need to obey natural laws ? I mean we have a God who is above nature and is the light of the world and he cannot make plants survive without sunlight You mean this same God that temporarily stopped the motion of the earth so that Joshua would decimate the enemies of Israel cannot do such ?

theoneJabulani:
wait a minute, I thought he made the sun stand still?

KingEbukaNaija:
The appropriate rebuttal may not be necessary but let's address this anyway .

Does a supernatural Being need to obey natural laws ? I mean we have a God who is above nature and is the light of the world and he cannot make plants survive without sunlight You mean this same God that temporarily stopped the motion of the earth so that Joshua would decimate the enemies of Israel cannot do such ?

theoneJabulani:
Everything are just assumptions BT everyday science keeps getting closer. to find answers

winner01:
1. Mankind's sinful nature
The history of the atheist community and various studies concerning the atheist community point to moral depravity being a causal factor for atheism.

In addition, there is the historical matter of deceit being used in a major way to propagate atheism from the time of Charles Darwin onward.
The Bible indicates that atheists are morally depraved. The psalmist David declared: "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." — Psalms 14:1 (KJV). The prophet Jeremiah wrote: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9 (KJV)

Francis Thompson wrote: "Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman."

Moral depravity is certainly one of the prime causes of atheism. For example, atheists have been the biggest mass murderers in history. I proved that (HERE).

Atheist, Cannibal and serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer asked: "If a person does not think there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?

Evolutionist and atheist Richard Dawkins stated in an interview: “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question." The interviewer wrote, regarding the Hitler comment, "I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point." This underlines the fact that atheists have no moral grounding except maybe the one they learnt from religion.

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/5/52/Peter_Singer_MIT_Veritas.jpg
The atheist philosopher Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality (as well as abortion, infanticide and euthanasia). Despite holding these immoral views the liberal and pro-evolution academic establishment rewarded his views with a bioethics chair at Princeton University

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/7/77/Laurence_Krauss.JPG
In response to the question, "Why is incest wrong?", the atheist Lawrence Krauss said, "It's not clear to me that it is wrong."



2. Hatred towards God.
Angry and bitter and attacks on Christianity and Christians by atheists are most often due to hatred towards Jesus Christ and the Bible. I gave sufficient proof of that HERE and HERE.

Jennifer LeClaire, a news editor at Charisma News wrote:
“Atheists don’t believe God exists, so why do they get so angry when Christians call them out for it?...

Atheism is rooted in an antichrist spirit that has made man his own God. Atheists have separated themselves from God in this life, yet He still blesses them with an opportunity to repent every day. In the next life—eternal life—atheists won’t be so brazen about insisting God doesn’t exist because they will bow their knee to Jesus Christ (Phil. 2:10; Rom. 14:11) before spending forever apart from His presence in the lake of fire. Calling Christians nasty names and insulting God isn’t going to change that or stop Christians from sharing their faith.

I would challenge every atheist who is reading this article to truly seek God with an open mind. I guarantee if you open your heart, ask Him to reveal Himself to you, and seek Him sincerely, you will find Him.



3. Atheistic upbringing
However, according to recent research by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, in the United States, a majority of those surveyed who were raised in atheist or agnostic households, or where there was no specific religious attachment, later chose to join a religious faith. (SOURCES)1 and 2 A notable example, of a person raised in a atheistic household who later became a Christian is William J. Murray. Mr. Murray was raised by Madalyn Murray O'Hair who founded the organization American Atheists.

In addition, Christianity is experiencing rapid growth in atheistic communist China and has experienced rapid growth in former communist countries. (SOURCES1, 2, 3.)

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/e/e7/Amanohashidate-Kasamatsu_Park_2010-10-02_891.JPG Even in atheistic Japan, researchers found that Japanese children see the world as designed

Atheism has also been confirmed to have a lower retention rate compared to other worldviews




4. Atheistic society/environment.



5. Poor relationship with father/mother/parents

A troubled/non-existent relationship with a father can influence a person to become an atheist. Dr. Paul Vitz wrote a book entitled Faith of the Fatherless in which he points out that after studying the lives of more than a dozen leading atheists he found that a large majority of them had a father who was present but weak, present but abusive, or absent. Dr. Vitz also examined the lives of prominent theists who were contemporaneous to their atheist counterparts and from the same culture and in every instance these prominent theists had a good relationship with his father. Dr. Vitz has also stated other common factors he observed in the leading atheists he profiled: they were all intelligent and arrogant.

The book Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences by John J. Pasquini, Th.D. indicates that many of the prominent atheists (and prominent practical atheists) who had dysfunctional/absent fathers that he lists in his book also had dysfunctional/absent mothers.




6. Pride/Rebellion

Atheism stems from a choice to ignore the reality of God's existence.

The atheist Friedrich Nietzsche wrote: "But now God is dead. You superior men, this God was your greatest danger. Only since he is in the grave, have you risen again. Only now comes the great noontide; only now the superior man will be – Lord!".

Atheists have also given themselves pretentious monikers such as freethinker and rationalist.




7. Narcissism.
Since they need to find meaning elsewhere other than God. Atheists have been proven to pursue gratification from vanity and to have an egoistic admiration of their own attributes. Jesus Christ however espoused a teaching different from this.

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/c/cc/The_Crucifixion_by_Simon_Vouet.jpgJesus Christ and his apostles taught a gospel of love which included sacrificial love. Jesus said, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).




8. Immaturity.

A Georgetown University study was published indicating that only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household in the United States remain atheists as adults. A 2012 study by the General Social Survey of the social science research organization NORC at the University of Chicago found that belief in God rises with age, even in atheistic nations.

The ages 14-19 are very influential in terms of an individual adopting atheism.

Vox Day writes about immaturity being a causal factor for atheism: "the age at which most people become atheists indicates that it is almost never an intellectual decision, but an emotional one". (This is why most self-identified atheists are angry, bitter, and immature. The anger, bitterness, and immaturity are usually the cause of the atheism, they are not, as many Christians erroneously suppose, the effects).

Ken Ammi concurs in his essay and writes:
“It is widely known that some atheists rejected God in their childhood, based on child like reasons, have not matured beyond these childish notions and thus, maintain childish-emotional reactions toward the idea of God."

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/6/6d/Europe_pol_2004.jpgAccording to the World Health Organization's (WHO) regional office in Europe, "The WHO European Region has the highest proportion in the world of total ill health, suicide and premature death due to alcohol

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/c/c4/Drugs.jpgReligion has "enormous potential for lowering the risk of substance abuse among teens and adults," according to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse



9. Anger and bitterness.

On January 1, 2011, CNN reported:
“People unaffiliated with organized religion, atheists and agnostics also report anger toward God either in the past, or anger focused on a hypothetical image - that is, what they imagined God might be like - said lead study author Julie Exline, Case Western Reserve University psychologist.

In studies on college students, atheists and agnostics reported more anger at God during their lifetimes than believers.”

Various studies found that traumatic events in people's lives has a positive correlation with "emotional atheism".

The atheist, lesbian Greta Christina told the journalist Chris Mooney on the Point of Inquiry podcast, "there isn't one emotion" that affects atheists "but anger is one of the emotions that many of us have ...it drives others to participate in the movement".

Jesus Christ and Christendom have emphasized the important of forgiveness and in the last few decades mental health specialists have increasingly seen the importance of forgiveness to alleviate anger and other emotional problems within individuals.

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/8/8e/Angry_atheist.jpgAn angry atheist speaking to a woman with a Bible in her hand.



10. Hedonism.
The Apostle Paul wrote that in the end times, men would be lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God (2 Timothy 3:1-4).

The infamous pornographers Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt are both atheists.
https://www.conservapedia.com/images/a/ad/Larry_Flynt_Wheelchair.jpgThe pornographer Larry Flynt

Engaging in overseas evangelism/outreaches in poor countries often requires significant hardships/persecution and western atheists by in large have been unwilling to endure such hardships in order to spread atheistic ideology - especially when compared to Christianity.

https://www.conservapedia.com/images/0/00/FMSC_Distribution_Partner_in_Malawi.jpgJust like several other christian organizations, the Christian relief organization Feed My Starving Children has a distribution partner in Malawi, Africa. In recent years, Christianity has seen a rapid growth in Africa. In 2005, there were four times as many non-Western World Christians as there were Western World Christians.

Western World atheists have not engaged in a significant amount of global outreach, especially to countries struggling with poverty and hunger.

taurus25:
lol....you see the problem with you theists, crazy wild assumptions is what ur good at. we both know that plants cannot survive without sunlight in this world that we live in, or can you provide a video evidence to the contrary?. or maybe one of when god was creating plants without sunlight.

Julianyao:
There's a BBC documentary on the history of disbelieve recorded over a decade ago. I want you to give a watch, it will be worth your while.
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I make no boast to say that you'd be surprised to find that disbelief predates the formation of Christianity.

KingEbukaNaija:
Haba . Christianity started after Christ who existed 2000 years ago . Disbelief in God is an act of rebellion . Why do you think Noah could not find a single man after God's heart before the obliteration of mankind except for his family

Julianyao:
Guy, me don't wanna engage you.

KingEbukaNaija:
Why ?

Julianyao:
Because I don't want to. Got no problem with you by the way.

KingEbukaNaija:
When you make a claim , you defend it . That's how atheists demand it should be , I now give it to them x5 . No none sense talk from the atheists will go unproven -scrutiny

Julianyao:
You want to press it, right?
I referred the Op to a documentary, which I'm hoping he'll watch. And I gave him an incentive to do just that. Is that too difficult to understand?
Can you not differentiate that from a claim in the sense you're talking about?

KingEbukaNaija:
I no longer want to engage with you . Oya go . Sorry I made you reply

Julianyao:
No need for apology.

KingEbukaNaija:
You don't evade my questions young man . I ask again , can you explain how everything came out of nothing without any supernatural help . You do realize nothing includes every constituent of the universe .

If you answer this question, I'll answer yours and adduce bible verses

Julianyao:
There's a BBC documentary on the history of disbelieve recorded over a decade ago. I want you to give a watch, it will be worth your while.
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I make no boast to say that you'd be surprised to find that disbelief predates the formation of Christianity.

SirWere:
Duhh.... The sphagetti Monster, sorry, Oduduwa, sorry, Domino Indomie, Otem, sorry.....




The Pink Unicorn did it.
We know this because:
1) She is pink
2) she is a unicorn.

We accept this on faith and dare anyone to prove us wrong.
Go on.......we're waiting...

cooooooks:
This is a bunch of malarkey.

Abacha was a muslim.

There are many many serial killers that are christian. Especially when they kill people 'for their sins'.


In Nigeria, pastors (and I would think imams/mullahs) regularly rape children - female AND male.

taurus25:
lol....you see the problem with you theists, crazy wild assumptions is what ur good at. we both know that plants cannot survive without sunlight in this world that we live in, or can you provide a video evidence to the contrary?. or maybe one of when god was creating plants without sunlight.