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crixtex:
Lol... u have read much of scofield's bible or maybe too much of kirk cameron's left behind movies...
Matthew 24: 29-31..... Jesus said Tribulation before rapture...
Also read Mark 13:24

If you are still confused after reading, quote me sir... lets talk and proof..

Buh i believe i will b raptured after Jesus finds me worthy...

Which one is Scofield's Bible. I read King James, Good News and Amplified sir. And I don't follow commentators, I follow Christ.

Anas09:
Am not a sir. And, if you are going to prove anything using the Bible, quote it out. Don't just drop the chapter or verse. What does it say? Or I won't waste my time here.

Lol bro....its not easy typing with phone naw especially now dat dea is no light.....

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, then shall the sun be darkened etcetera..etecera....
Vs 30
And pple will see d son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory... and all d earth shall.mourn.
VS 31
He shall send his angels with the sound of a trumpet and a loud voice, and dey shall gather His elect etc...

crixtex:
Lol bro....its not easy typing with phone naw especially now dat dea is no light.....
Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, then shall the sun be darkened etcetera..etecera....
Vs 30
And pple will see d son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory... and all d earth shall.mourn.
VS 31
He shall send his angels with the sound of a trumpet and a loud voice, and dey shall gather His elect etc...

Jesus was not talking about the rapture here but his second coming. Mind you, there's a difference between the rapture and the second coming of Christ.... At the rapture, Christ comes for his saints at the clouds and we will meet him in the air... His feet will not touch the earth..... But at the second coming, Christ will come physically to earth and the whole world will see him.... His feet will touch at the mount of olives for the battle of Armageddon to rescue Israel from the Antichrist.

Jesus did not even talk about the church when he was still alive. The church was hidden till after the death and resurrection of Christ. And Christ did not mention about the rapture too, the rapture was revealed 30 yrs after the death and resurrection of Christ through Apostle Paul.....

In the book of Matthew, Christ was talking about the Jewish remnant during the tribulation not the church. you are mixing up everything. Learn to rightly divide the word.

Anas09:
Matth is a whole book? Which part says Christians shall face tribulation?
Jesus said, Christians will suffer persecution not tribulation.
Tribulation will come when the Church has been taken out of the world, anyone who refuses to belief in Christ now, will be left behind, if he or she repents then, whatever the Antichrist has agaisnt those who will not accept him as God, the new believers in Christ shall face it, that's what tribulation means sir. At that time, there will be no more " by the grace of God", the grace leaves with the Holy Spirit, together with the church.
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You are very correct, the guy was mixing up the second coming of Christ with the rapture of the church. He is also mixing up tribulation saints with the church.

jiggaz:
Jesus was not talking about the rapture here but his second coming. Mind you, there's a difference between the rapture and the second coming of Christ.... At the rapture, Christ comes for his saints at the clouds and we will meet him in the air... His feet will not touch the earth..... But at the second coming, Christ will come physically to earth and the whole world will see him.... His feet will touch at the mount of olives for the battle of Armageddon to rescue Israel from the Antichrist.

Jesus did not even talk about the church when he was still alive. The church was hidden till after the death and resurrection of Christ. And Christ did not mention about the rapture too, the rapture was revealed 30 yrs after the death and resurrection of Christ through Apostle Paul.....

In the book of Matthew, Christ was talking about the Jewish remnant during the tribulation not the church. you are mixing up everything. Learn to rightly divide the word.

Lol... bro... it is tribulation before rapture... .. dea is no where in the bible where there is a rapture before tribulation....it is tribulation before rapture... even in Revelations...
U know the Anti-Christ will head the tribulation right? ??

Anas09:
Obama, like many of them here functions under the controlling force, power, and influence of the antichrist. Working to set the stage for the smooth sailing of his reign.
Most people are so ignorant about these things. The Beast (The Antichrist) has just Seven years to rule absolutely, he won't have the time to put everything in place to enable him succeed, that's why world leaders at different stratas are doing that for him. Media being first in line. Atheists are here lying to themselves that they don't believe all these, when all the while they are the main agents in his hands.

You are very correct.

Lolss... jewish reminant....

crixtex:
Lol... bro... it is tribulation before rapture... .. dea is no where in the bible where there is a rapture before tribulation....it is tribulation before rapture... even in Revelations...
U know the Anti-Christ will head the tribulation right? ??

If you don't know something, you either learn or keep quiet. Learn to differentiate between the Church and Tribulation Saints / Jewish Remnant in Tribulation. Do you even know the essence of the tribulation? Tribulation is to deal with Israel for their rejection of their Messiah and also to make them see the need for Christ. The Church have no business in the tribulation. The church age will end in the rapture and God will now focus on Israel during the tribulation.

I can see you are one of those that hold the Post Tribulation view of the rapture.... study your bible with the help of the Holy Spirit for understanding. Please i don't want to argue about unnecessary things here cos you are derailing the post.... We are talking about the anti christ here.... have a nice nite.

jiggaz:
If you don't know something, you either learn or keep quiet. Learn to differentiate between the Church and Tribulation Saints / Jewish Remnant in Tribulation. Do you even know the essence of the tribulation? Tribulation is to deal with Israel for their rejection of their Messiah and also to make them see the need for Christ. The Church have no business in the tribulation. The church age will end in the rapture and God will now focus on Israel during the tribulation.

I can see you are one of those that hold the Post Tribulation view of the rapture.... study your bible with the help of the Holy Spirit for understanding. Please i don't want to argue about unnecessary things here cos you are derailing the post.... We are talking about the anti christ here.... have a nice nite.

And bro u are a pre-trib realist... St paul said, we must with much tribulation enter.into the kingdom of God....wat he talking to the jews here??

Bro...we know the Antichrist will come... our bone of contention is if there will be rapture before d antichrist tribulation ..

Mark 13:24-27... Jesus said, Immediately after the Tribulation of those days..., He will appear in the clouds...and send his angels to gather his 'ELECT' from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven...

Now who are the ELECT??

crixtex:
And bro u are a pre-trib realist... St paul said, we must with much tribulation enter.into the kingdom of God....wat he talking to the jews here??
Bro...we know the Antichrist will come... our bone of contention is if there will be rapture before d antichrist tribulation ..
Mark 13:24-27... Jesus said, Immediately after the Tribulation of those days..., He will appear in the clouds...and send his angels to gather his 'ELECT' from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven...
Now who are the ELECT??

The elect in context here are the tribulation saints...the people that gave their life to Christ after the rapture of the church. But please, no more argument, since you believe you will go through the tribulation before you rapture, so be it for you. I don't argue about things that am very sure of now...... The argument wont get us anywhere...... I don't want this thread to be derailed unnecessarily..... Everyone to their belief, its a free world. Plz no more unnecessary argument, good nite.

jiggaz:
The elect in context here are the tribulation saints...the people that gave their life to Christ after the rapture of the church. But please, no more argument, since you believe you will go through the tribulation before you rapture, so be it for you. I don't argue about things that am very sure of now...... The argument wont get us anywhere...... I don't want this thread to be derailed unnecessarily..... Everyone to their belief, its a free world. Plz no more unnecessary argument, good nite.

Lolss bro... its not argument naw... we just try to make us know better ni...
Alright bro... good nite...

Now for the Pre-Tribulation realists..
1 Thessalonians 2:1-2.. Note: thessalonians were grecians(gentiles)

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by gathering together unto him (RAPTURE) , that ye be not soon. shaken in mind,or be troubled,neither by spirit,nor by letter as from us,as that the day of christ is at hand".

"Let no man deceive you by any means:.for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away( Apostasy) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (the antichrist)...

We see from this scripture and proven that Rapture will not occur until these two events have occurred..
1. Falling away (Apostasy- much rejection of christ) Matt 24:10-12

2. Man of sin revealed ( Antichrist) .....

So please show us where.in the bible where it is said Rapture will happen before the antichrist shows up??

Anas09:
My brother, Satan knows how short his time is, he will fight so hard to plant doubt, unbelief in minds of the people. Just imagine how tenacious the atheists in this forum are fighting to dilute the word anytime it comes. One shd be wondering why they take it so personal, their own evangelism is fierce.
His followers are positioned to do the work of thier master, by all means pulling the weak and lazy down. But the Lord knows the ones that are his.
Come O LORD Jesus, Come.

Oh yes sir, and it's even disheartening to see some so called Christians engaging in such too. I think that's speak volume of the kind of breed they are. We must be thoroughly furnished by the word of God through our study and the help of the great comforter the Holy Spirit

jiggaz:
[s]Huh? lmaoo!!! what nonsense are you rapping about here? You dont even understand the verses u put up there.... The verse you put up there is talking about the Great Tribulation and that is after the rapture. The believers in Christ have all raptured by then. The saints dat are around then is Tribulation Saints and not the church. They came to accept Christ after the rapture of the church.

The 144,000 you talking about are the Jews that are sealed to preach the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM to the ends of the earth until Christ returns at the Second Coming .... So get your facts straight.... If you are an atheist, you are on your own cos WE Believers dont have the same eternal destiny with you people. .. Our eternity will be spent with Christ.....[/s]

Stop Lying What Comes B4?? Did They Mention Africa Anywhere In Revelation??

Anas09:
The Holy Spirit had you I mind when he gave Apt Peter this.

2 Peter 3:2-10 I want you to remember the words that were spoken long ago by the holy prophets, and the command from the Lord and Savior which was given you by your apostles.

First of all, you must understand that in the last days some people will appear whose lives are controlled by their own lusts.

They will make fun of you and will ask, “He promised to come, didn't he? Where is he? Our ancestors have already died, but everything is still the same as it was since the creation of the world!”

They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God gave a command, and the heavens and earth were created.

The earth was formed out of water and by water, and it was also by water, the water of the flood, that the old world was destroyed. But the heavens and the earth that now exist are being preserved by the same command of God, in order to be destroyed by fire.

They are being kept for the day when godless people will be judged and destroyed. But do not forget one thing, my dear friends!

There is no difference in the Lord's sight between one day and a thousand years; to him the two are the same. The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some think.

Instead, he is patient with you, because he does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants all to turn away from their sins. But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief.

On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish.

SirWere, if you read what I posted to you, you find where the Holy Spirit called you "A Scoffer". There's a reward for every task under the sun.

Do you know what a disclaimer is? It's when you tell people that the creator of the universe spoke to you and called you the last messenger.

Religious books are riddled with disclaimers. The writers anticipated skeptics, and made arrangements in the text to address them.

It's like Olumba Olumba, for example. He will tell his followers things ahead of time that will address your skepticism. When you see an Olumba follower, try telling him that Olumba is not God. See if he doesn't use old disclaimers from his God to address every point of contention that you raise.

Weah96:
Do you know what a disclaimer is? It's when you tell people that the creator of the universe spoke to you and called you the last messenger.

Religious books are riddled with disclaimers. The writers anticipated skeptics, and made arrangements in the text to address them.

It's like Olumba Olumba, for example. He will tell his followers things ahead of time that will address your skepticism. When you see an Olumba follower, try telling him that Olumba is not God. See if he doesn't use old disclaimers from his God to address every point of contention that you raise.

Would it not make more sense if you pick out the disclaimer from the verses i sent you rather than bringing Olumba into this matter?

You said in 1925 or there about, your great grand mother told you about the coming of Christ which hasn't happened, so you are now scoffing, so I posted verses to show you, you are just a tiny dot amongst your folks of scoffers. Scoffing didn't start with you...
Go ahead Weah96, as long as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease. What you see, in due time, you shall reap.

sobastical:
Oh yes sir, and it's even disheartening to see some so called Christians engaging in such too. I think that's speak volume of the kind of breed they are. We must be thoroughly furnished by the word of God through our study and the help of the great comforter the Holy Spirit

It's well.

jiggaz:
You are very correct, the guy was mixing up the second coming of Christ with the rapture of the church. He is also mixing up tribulation saints with the church.

I just tire for these people running around confused.
He accused me of reading Scofield's Bible. As if Scofield contains different content from what other Bibles have.

crixtex:
Lol bro....its not easy typing with phone naw especially now dat dea is no light.....

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, then shall the sun be darkened etcetera..etecera....
Vs 30
And pple will see d son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory... and all d earth shall.mourn.
VS 31
He shall send his angels with the sound of a trumpet and a loud voice, and dey shall gather His elect etc...

It's well. Even as am typing now, my phone is running on 2% I tire for the light sef.

I had to go back and read that Matt 24 from start to finish again.
Pls understand what Christ said there. That is a prophetic answer Christ gave to his disciples who wanted to know what to expect. His answer there points to when he will return to kick out the Antichrist and establish his Mellinial rign. But remember at this time that he is returning, the raptured Saints are coming back with him. By the time this happens rapture ad already taken place.
Okay, check this. He said, the Tribulation will be unbearable, hence; the time is shortened "Which Time" is he talking about? The Antichrist' time is just 7years, the first half of the years, he will use to canverse, decieve and introduce his mark, the last half, he will use to enforce his rule on the Tribulation Saints.
My ba3 is out.

Anas09:
It's well. Even as am typing now, my phone is running on 2% I tire for the light sef.

I had to go back and read that Matt 24 from start to finish again.
Pls understand what Christ said there. That is a prophetic answer Christ gave to his disciples who wanted to know what to expect. His answer there points to when he will return to kick out the Antichrist and establish his Mellinial rign. But remember at this time that he is returning, the raptured Saints are coming back with him. By the time this happens rapture ad already taken place.
Okay, check this. He said, the Tribulation will be unbearable, hence; the time is shortened "Which Time" is he talking about? The Antichrist' time is just 7years, the first half of the years, he will use to canverse, decieve and introduce his mark, the last half, he will use to enforce his rule on the Tribulation Saints.
My ba3 is out.

@crixtex don't use your no battery to affect anas09 battery.. Now her battery is out *angry*.

Two of u should get solar energy.

Em em em before una go cane me... Me self i no get solar energy, and my battery will soon be out.

*takes cover*

Anas09:
I just tire for these people running around confused.
He accused me of reading Scofield's Bible. As if Scofield contains different content from what other Bibles have.

The guy is just confused.... mixing up two different events..... He does not even understand what tribulation means. The worst time in the whole world.... what we are now experiencing is very minor compared to what will happen during tribulation.

If the church happens to go through the 7 years tribulation on earth, that means that what Paul said that Christ will deliver us from the wrath to come was a lie.... but i know that God doesn't lie cos His words is always true....

Anas09:
It's well.

Amen sir

Anas09:
Would it not make more sense if you pick out the disclaimer from the verses i sent you rather than bringing Olumba into this matter?

You said in 1925 or there about, your great grand mother told you about the coming of Christ which hasn't happened, so you are now scoffing, so I posted verses to show you, you are just a tiny dot amongst your folks of scoffers. Scoffing didn't start with you...
Go ahead Weah96, as long as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease. What you see, in due time, you shall reap.

The writer was telling a lie that the creator of everything spoke to him one day . Everything you quoted was a disclaimer. The writer expects the lie to catch up to him later, things won't add up, so he put that rubbish thereto impress people like you with his premonition abilities. In reality, he's trying to avoid the shame of his lies coming back on his family and tribe.

Weah96:
The writer was telling a lie that the creator of everything spoke to him one day . Everything you quoted was a disclaimer. The writer expects the lie to catch up to him later, things won't add up, so he put that rubbish thereto impress people like you with his premonition abilities. In reality, he's trying to avoid the shame of his lies coming back on his family and tribe.

Hahahahahahahaha. Okay Weah96, he lied, you win. Now move along.

jiggaz:
The guy is just confused.... mixing up two different events..... He does not even understand what tribulation means. The worst time in the whole world.... what we are now experiencing is very minor compared to what will happen during tribulation.

If the church happens to go through the 7 years tribulation on earth, that means that what Paul said that Christ will deliver us from the wrath to come was a lie.... but i know that God doesn't lie cos His words is always true....

Most Christians will miss rapture just because of ignorance.

Blackfire:
@crixtex don't use your no battery to affect anas09 battery.. Now her battery is out *angry*.

Two of u should get solar energy.

Em em em before una go cane me... Me self i no get solar energy, and my battery will soon be out.

*takes cover*

Abeg when you buy that your solar panel, carry me for mind, so that you go buy one for me too. Thanks before time

Anas09:
Really? Why so?

All the adults can't stop sinning, including the Pop.

Anas09:
Abeg when you buy that your solar panel, carry me for mind, so that you go buy one for me too. Thanks before time

what size?

Anas09:
Abeg when you buy that your solar panel, carry me for mind, so that you go buy one for me too. Thanks before time

i was just told that the accident that happened some weeks ago at lagos- ibadan express way, that my cousin was involved...*what kind of life is this*

he was going to lagos to clear a container.. His wake keeping is on Friday and he will be buried next month 7th at amichi in nnewi, anambra state.

*the solar panel what size do u want?*

Blackfire:
what size?

The very size you`ll get for yasef

Anas09:
The very size you`ll get for yasef

am buying the 4 solar panels the one they use to power house, is that the one u want?

jiggaz:
For the people speculating whether the Antichrist have been revealed, rest your oars. The antichrist wont be revealed until Christ raptures his church.

And this man called the antichrist will come from the revived Roman Empire ( a.k.a. United Nations of Europe ). According to Daniel's interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream, we are at the Last Kingdom.

After the Rapture of Church, there will be chaos in the whole world due to the disappearance of millions of people ( if not billions sef ) all over the world. In that chaos, one man will rise and will offer to bring peace to a chaotic world, and the whole world will follow him. By then, Europe as you know it will have been united by one currency, one enonomy and one army. That is the Revived Roman Empire headed by the antichrist. It is this same kingdom that Christ will come and destroy at the second coming to establish His Eternal Kingdom that will reign forever!!!!

Mind you, America is not mentioned in the endtimes. It doesn't have a role to play..... The time is soooooo short!!! plz if you have not accepted Christ into your heart, plz do so... The rapture is imminent!!!

For the records, we are already in the 3rd day according to God's time plan. He said that He will revive us after 2 days. 2 days been 2,000 years . It has been over 2,000 years since Christ died. According to Bible Scholars of Eschatology, Christ died between AD 33 to AD 37. So automatically, we are in the early morning of the third day and Christ resurrected from the dead on the early morning of the third day. So our rapture is imminent!!! Hallelujah!!! Our blessed hope!!! Believers in Christ, don't despair our Saviour is coming to take us as He promised. We Believers are not looking for the antichrist, we are looking for our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. Comfort one another with these words.

Come and hear what a messenger of Jehovah is saying here. After the DOCTUFOS is complete he will be among those who will call me the Antichrist, yet he has said it already THAT THE ANTICHRIST WILL COME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE AND NOT NIGERIA.

muafrika2, joagbaje and Mrzenographer the 666 propagandist, come and see your co-scammer here.