Nihilist:


I'm not exactly sure why my integrity is being questioned...

Ignore me, was just trying to talk like Ned.

goxx:
what?! Kidding me? Breaking bad is even slightly rated above game of thrones.

I doubt this.

oyetpel:

Guy you need to think, nobody said they should be putting 3 months later. GoT manage time frame and time travel from season 1 to 5. Season 6 was just were writers intend to put characters wherever they like and also put in some elements of surprise, like Arya serving at the twins. Arya's journey to Braavos for example, we all saw how she boarded a ship to braavos. Ned and King Robert entourage we all saw as they went through king's road and how dramas ensued. Transportation of Tyrion in a box to pentos. But season 6 some characters were just placed wherever they want them to be without accounting for time travel. Please if you no get wetin i dey talk just shut up and dont quote with your shiit that do i expect them to write 3 months later.

Lol.

You are the one who thinks the characters are teleporting yet, i am the one who needs to shut up?

OK bro

gj22:


I doubt this.

kindly go to IMDb, check top rated TV shows of all time and get back to me. I no fit shout.

GOT was 9.2 before battle of bastards and winds of winter and breaking was 9.4.

goxx:
kindly go to IMDb, check top rated TV shows of all time and get back to me. I no fit shout.

GOT was 9.2 before battle of bastards and winds of winter and breaking was 9.4.

Looks like you edited. But still, GOT is 9.5/10 from over million reviews while breaking bad is 9.5/10 out of 860,000 reviews.

Not even factorin in the fact that GOT is still ongoing.

Just saw the season finale.... Awesome episode...

Points to Cersi...the babe has style...very Classy Mass Murder.... destroyed everything ✅✔

Looking forward To John Snow and Denaerys fùck session next season.... Undead Dìck plus Flame Retardant pùssy.... their pikin go be Demigod

nani667:
Just saw the season finale.... Awesome episode...

Points to Cersi...the babe has style...very Classy Mass Murder.... destroyed everything ✅✔

Looking forward To John Snow and Denaerys fùck session next season.... Undead Dìck plus Flame Retardant pùssy.... their pikin go be Demigod

U dis guy... Ur mind sha...
Hahaha

If only Stannis or Renly had had a little patience, they could have been on the Iron throne now

Nihilist:


This exactly the point.

She made a decision that would turn out to be a poor one. She put her men under the leadership of an emotional and tactically indisciplined leader in Jon Snow.

If it wasn't for the Knights of the Vale, Jon wouldnt be alive today, and all the men would be dead! It's not leadership qualities that her poor men are following, they are obliged to maintain that master/servant relationship...and I just dont understand why.

She's not the only one too. Tommen, Joffrey, and that boy from the Vale are all Children who don't know what the time is. Yet you had people blindly and unquestionably following the orders of these kids who don't even know what life is about.

Joffery had tywin, tyrion and the small council to at least reduce the effects of his malady. There were occasions when tywin or tyrrion would argue (or slap) decision with him.

I agree with you on this little lady to an extent. Truth is, if she was ruling in westeros with all the varys and baelishes and all other power mongers; they probably would have given her a bib and toy- or even worse...

Gbola5:


If that was the same Wildfire Aerys planned on using, it should have blown up King's Landing whole.

I may be wrong but I don't think the sept of baelor is the only location for the wildfires. Besides some were used by tyrrion in the wildfire war.

blackjack21:


That's my favorite conversation in the whole series.
But Nihilist isn't discussion about power, she's arguing if the girl is mature.

Exactly. And in fact his quote only strengthens nihilist's argument. The girl may not hold the real power in westeros according varys. She might even become a victim of power, like tommen under the high sparrow and later his mom.

The great Game is terrifying. One thing is certain Cersi has to die, throughout the show the truly wicked and ville ones die or those that committed atrocious acts. The gods punish you in one way or the other. Plus she is on Arya starks list.

gj22:


Looks like you edited. But still, GOT is 9.5/10 from over million reviews while breaking bad is 9.5/10 out of 860,000 reviews.

Not even factorin in the fact that GOT is still ongoing.

Yes I edited it cos I just checked and noticed it is now same with breaking bad.

Ratings go up and drop, perhaps the last two episodes boosted it. It was formerly 9.2 at mid season.

Warning: This post will contain spoilers for the Game of Thrones season six finale.

This past Sunday’s season six finale of Game of Thrones was packed to the brim with shocks and surprises. Maybe one of the less surprising, but no less satisfying moments as well, came when it was confirmed that Jon Snow was not actually the bastard of Ned Stark, but actually his sister Lyanna’s son, whom he promised to protect immediately before his sister’s death in the Tower of Joy. While the show itself didn’t specify who his father was, it’s commonly assumed by many, taking into account the story’s timeline and Lyanna’s affair with Rhaegar Targaryen, that he is the son of both Lyanna (a Stark) and Rhaegar (a Targaryen).

Now it might be a bit before the show actually confirms Rhaegar to be Jon’s dad, though it’s practically common knowledge at this point that he is, but one keen reddit user may have unearthed the missing portion of Lyanna’s line to Ned before her death, the one moment in the show that we can’t hear what she’s whispering in his ear. Though make sure to take all of this with a large grain of salt for the time being.

Reddit User Sparkedavisjr claims that, after having watched the Tower of Joy scene “about fifty times” that when Lyanna whispers Jon’s name into Ned’s ear, she doesn’t say Jon, but instead says Jaehaerys. The name, which may not be familiar to non-book readers, is a reference to both Jaehaerys Targaryen, who was the fourth Targaryen to hold the Iron Throne, and Jaehaerys II, the latter of whom was actually the father of Rhaegar’s father, Aerys Targaryen II (The Mad King).

Jaehaerys I was nicknamed “The Conciliator” or “The Wise” during his reign, while Jaehaerys II’s reign only lasted three years due to his sickly nature, which was the last good reign of the Targaryens over Westeros. It would make sense for Rhaegar and Lyanna to not only name Jon after Rhaegar’s grandfather though because of his good reputation, but also because Jaehaerys II was the first Targaryen to be told of the prophecy about the prince that was promised from the woods witch brought in by Jenny of Oldstones. The prophecy was actually the reason that Jaehaerys forced Aerys II to marry his sister, Rhaella, because it was prophesied that the prince would come from his bloodline.

At first Rhaegar, who was obsessed with the prophecy himself, believed that he would be the Prince that was Promised, before realizing that it would be his son instead, leading him to “kidnap” Lyanna and have a baby with her, after his wife Elia Martell, could not have a third baby. After all, “the dragon needs three heads,” Rhaegar told her.
So while it not only makes sense for Rhaegar and Lyanna to name their son Jaehaerys, it also makes sense that Ned would keep Jon’s original birth name secret, since Jaehaerys is synonymous with the Targaryen name and someone would have likely pieced the connection together. So while we can assume once and for all that Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, making him the Prince that was Promised and making his song, the song of ice and fire, it’ll be interesting to see if his name is actually Jaehaerys or not.

At this point though, I don’t really care. I’m just happy that we can finally theorize beyond Jon’s parentage now. Meanwhile, Game of Thrones season seven does not currently have a release date, and will probably come for fans about as quickly as Dany’s journey to Westeros has been.

Source:
http://geeknation.com/game-of-thrones-theory-may-reveal-what-lyanna-whispered-to-ned/

semitunde:


I may be wrong but I don't think the sept of baelor is the only location for the wildfires. Besides some were used by tyrrion in the wildfire war.

Yeah. Its not the only location.

IamDejman:
No it can't because Tyrion has used part already so it's like they shared it.

Tyrion had them making the substance.

cooljoe:
so d long awaited winter is finally here. can any1 herein pls tell me y winter is so important in ds mindblowing drama, nd y d starks sim pleased wit ts arrival

Imagine this, its there house words, House Stark (Winter is Coming). And they have not witness a winter before. So its like wow, we always here stories about winter now its upon us. Like a myth to them come to pass.

cooljoe:
so d long awaited winter is finally here. can any1 herein pls tell me y winter is so important in ds mindblowing drama, nd y d starks sim pleased wit ts arrival

When winter comes for war, You shall hear no
Lions roar. When winter forces you to yield, No
Stags shall gaze upon the field. When winter
creeps upon you from the shadows, No Roses
shall bloom from the meadows. When winter
wreaks havoc on the land, You can bet there'll
be no Snakes in the sand. When winter brings
to life all it finds grim, The Krakens will freeze
where they swim. When winter sets and the
land begins to shiver, The Flayed Man will
start to rot and wither. When winter fights to
the last sliver, No more Trouts shall swim in
the river. When winter ravages and all despair,
No Falcons shall fly high in the air. When
winter shows you what happens when snow
falls, Not even Dragons Breath shall warm you
in your halls. When winter comes with all it's
might, Only the Wolves shall howl in the night!
~ by Martin Skjeggis. Winter is a Time for Wolves. I don't know...that poem just gets me pumped up for the next book.

Ok so to your question, Winters are hard, no harvests, crops die, no tourneys, children live and die, its freezing, nights are longer, especially in the North, but Jon and sansa know they have each other, therefore they can brace it. Ned used to say;
'When the snows fall and the white
winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the
pack survives.' Thhe pack is almost reuniting i guess. The Starks live in winter.

oyetpel:

Imagine this, its there house words, House Stark (Winter is Coming). And they have not witness a winter before. So its like wow, we always here stories about winter now its upon us. Like a myth to them come to pass.

Jon and Sansa actually have. during their youth, but it was a short one.

semitunde:


Exactly. And in fact his quote only strengthens nihilist's argument. The girl may not hold the real power in westeros according varys. She might even become a victim of power, like tommen under the high sparrow and later his mom.

Mi Disagreedo!
Power and maturity are two different things and most be left partified. that is why Vary said "the smallest man can cast the biggest shadow". small man here means unfits and less likely people.

The whole of the yarn is figurative.

Nihilist is arguing that lad marmont is immature to wield the power she has.
In your definition, what is maturity and how restricted is it to age?

semitunde:


Joffery had tywin, tyrion and the small council to at least reduce the effects of his malady. There were occasions when tywin or tyrrion would argue (or slap) decision with him.

I agree with you on this little lady to an extent. Truth is, if she was ruling in westeros with all the varys and baelishes and all other power mongers; they probably would have given her a bib and toy- or even worse...

If she knows her stuff she would be allowed to rule, although still having regents.

rose54321:


Or even Jora Mormont, though I am happy for Tyrion, but Jora deserved to be the hand of the queen, tyrion hasn't really achieved any feat, Daenary met Meereen on the brink of defeat.

And thats what I love about GOT, it's so real - people don't always get what they deserve or hope for. The wicked usually triumph and the weak perish.
As Cersei put it "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground."

If Tyrion hadn't applied diplomacy, there wouldn't be a city for her to return to. The Slavers would have attacked Mereen earlier.

gj22:


Lol.

You are the one who thinks the characters are teleporting yet, i am the one who needs to shut up?

OK bro

Like seriously, some people want all scene to be shown, like what Danny ate in the morning, who prepared the breakfast, how the went to market and bought things.
What ship lord Vary traveling in, who was the captain, did vary eat in his cabin or on deck? if thing went that way, will still be in S01E01 :\

na waw for some feefu.

JhyMedex:

U got D ryt of it man...
D way he kept looking at her b4 she gave him dt pin sha...
Come y every male in D show gaz fall in luv wit khaleesi?...

Please, this is a pet peeve of mine, stop calling her Khaleesi. Her name is Dany.

oyetpel:
I think Jon Snow and Tormund should be war veterans now. 3 fu¢king wars, Attack on castle black, hardhome and battle of the bastards. Sadly some people never fight a war e.g Jaime, Brienne (we only know they are great swords man and woman) Even The Imp have fought in a war.

@bold Epic

semitunde:


Exactly. And in fact his quote only strengthens nihilist's argument. The girl may not hold the real power in westeros according varys. She might even become a victim of power, like tommen under the high sparrow and later his mom.

Imagine this; Have you ever wondered why a piece of paper, has so much value, why people crave for it, when confidence in money falls, it loses its value. Justice, mercy, duty...power, people have got to believe them or what's the point. Its a trick, a shadow on the wall.

semitunde

We talked earlier about your
unwillingness to fight in Vietnam.
The Ice and Fire books are shot through
with the horrors of war. As Ygritte says
to Jon Snow, "We're just soldiers in their
armies, and there's plenty more to carry
on if we go down."
It's true in virtually all wars through
history. Shakespeare refers to it, in those
great scenes in Henry V , where King Hal is
walking among the men, before the Battle
of Agincourt, and he hears the men
complaining. "Well, I hope his cause is
just, because a lot of us are going to die to
make him king of France." One of the
central questions in the book is Varys'
riddle: The rich man, the priest and the
king give an order to a common
sellsword. Each one says kill the other
two. So who has the power? Is it the
priest, who supposedly speaks for God?
The king, who has the power of state? The
rich man, who has the gold? Of course,
doesn't the swordsman have the power?
He's the one with the sword – he could
kill all three if he wanted. Or he could
listen to anyone. But he's just the average
grunt. If he doesn't do what they say, then
they each call other swordsmen who will
do what they say. But why does anybody
do what they say? This is the fundamental
mystery of power and leadership and war
through all history. Going back to
Vietnam, for me the cognitive dissonance
came in when I realized that Ho Chi Minh
actually wasn't Sauron. Do you remember
the poster during that time? WHAT IF
THEY GAVE A WAR AND NOBODY CAME?
That's one of the fundamental questions
here. Why did anybody go to Vietnam?
Were the people who went more patriotic?
Were they braver? Were they stupider?
Why does anybody go? What's all this
based on? It's all based on an illusion:
You go because you're afraid of what will
happen if you don't go, even if you don't
believe in it. But where do these systems
of obedience come from? Why do we
recognize power instead of individual
autonomy? These questions are fascinating
to me. It's all this strange illusion, isn't
it?

Source: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/george-r-r-martin-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140423?page=4

semitunde:


Joffery had tywin, tyrion and the small council to at least reduce the effects of his malady. There were occasions when tywin or tyrrion would argue (or slap) decision with him.

I agree with you on this little lady to an extent. Truth is, if she was ruling in westeros with all the varys and baelishes and all other power mongers; they probably would have given her a bib and toy- or even worse...

Most definitely.

It makes absolutely no sense at all, that the fighting men of Bear island, and their captain should entrust their lives into the hands of a 10 year old who doesn't even know what battle is....regardless of any obligations to honour, creed etc.

Like I keep pointing out to people, her decision to back Jon snow was a disaster..and I don't believe it's a coincidence that it was a child who sent her men to their death while the older mature Lords wisely abstained.

The older Lords were all very specific about their motives: which was to preserve the lives of their men.

Whereas this child put some bullshit ideology over the lives of 62 men who had no say in the matter.

I think thar people are so happy to have Jon Snow in the driving seat for S7 that they failed to ask several questions.

1. What leverage does Jon Snow have? He's still a bastard(his true parentage has not been revealed to the North), he's known to be tactically inept in military battles, and more importantly....HE HAS PRACTICALLY NO MEN LEFT.

2. How is it that when that gobby child was going on and on about the king in the north, blah blah, nobody pointed out the points raised in Q1 to her?

3. More pertinently, how did no one point out that it was the Knights of the Vale who won the battle against the boltons, and thus them who should be at the heart of trophies new Nothern coalition ?

That scene made zero sense to me. I cannot pledge my fighting men to a general who has no rank, no men, and no tactical acumen...and this was why I expected at least one lord to rise up and educate that loudmouthed girl and her no-nothing oga.

blackjack21:


Mi Disagreedo!
Power and maturity are two different things and most be left partified. that is why Vary said "the smallest man can cast the biggest shadow". small man here means unfits and less likely people.

The whole of the yarn is figurative.

Nihilist is arguing that lad marmont is immature to wield the power she has.
In your definition, what is maturity and how restricted is it to age?

I agree with you that maturity isn't restricted to age, even though you have to agree that this holds true only from some agreed age forward. What is that age? 10? 15? Open to debate.

But beyond this, wielding power and allegiance is depend end on so many other factors apart from age and maturity, and even more so when such age is on the low side ( see joffery and tommen); now like I said, its dependent on many factors hence an old man like Ned and the baratheons can fall while trying to weild same power. This I think is the essence of varys words- that you cannot actually determines who and what wields power at a particular point, its the end that justifies and gives legitimacy to the means.

Like cersei said after threatening someone ( can't remember who now) "power is power". Its regardless of who wields it or how.

Even dany without her dragons won't have lasted this long, and you bet she's more mature than the little lady.

GuyFawkes:
Game of thrones definitely has a feminist agenda . It’s subtle but apparent”It does indeed, it is very clear in the books. George RR Martin is a self proclaimed feminist and tries to elements of it into most of his work. The three main take ome points from A Song of Ice & Fire (and Game of Thrones) are;1. Feminism is good. (cough… )
2. Monarchy is bad/
3. War is bad. All these points can be seen throughout GoT. I d find it funny that people look at the show and see Daenerys as the hero of the show (or books for that matter). When you stop to think about it she is one of the stories main antagonists. She is about to invade a country and bring unspeakable death to its people with 1. The Dothraki, whose custom is to sack and r@pe as they conqueror and also the Iron Born whose way of life is reiving. She also has an incredible entitlement complex, constantly claiming that the Iron Throne is hers by right… I’m afraid it isn’t. Your father lost it to the Baratheons you have no right to it. She is clearly turning into her father the “Mad King”. Evermore willing to burn cities to the ground not caring that those cities are made up of slaves and normal people who she claims to be doing all this for. Her reasons for invading Westeros are for power and revenge, not some noble cause. She once spoke of “breaking the wheel” by destroying the other noble houses in Westeros but still marches under the Targaryen banner, she has no interest of breaking the wheel, she just wants to be the only spoke left in the wheel. We have also seen over and over that she is a fantastic conqueror but a terrible ruler. Unable to rule 3 cities in Slavers Bay so how she expects to rule 7 kingdoms is beyond me.So for someone who is so opposed to the needless slaughter and r@pe of small folk she is about to become the main instigator to feed her need for power.

People seem to see Feminism in everything since the word started becoming popular. Its a story, and the story has changed. When the men were in power nobody cried out. Now the ladies are, and we feel the writers are up to something? Just enjoy the story. After all its the story that makes you come back for more. If there was something wrong with the story, you would have dropped it, same way I dropped 'Lucifer'

Gbola5:


Jon and Sansa actually have. during their youth, but it was a short one.

Really? Abeg forward the line there, pls.

blackjack21:


Like seriously, some people want all scene to be shown, like what Danny ate in the morning, who prepared the breakfast, how the went to market and bought things.
What ship lord Vary traveling in, who was the captain, did vary eat in his cabin or on deck? if thing went that way, will still be in S01E01 :\

na waw for some feefu.

If you don't know something don't jump into it. Mumu.