udatso:


What happened to LA ikraha fid din. Would you rather have sincere Muslims that practise Islam because it's what they want or hypocrites because they don't want to be killed?

lexiconkabir:


Islam is not a religion of hypocrisy, if you are asked a question about your beliefs, you dont have to hide it in order to impress the kuffar, thats hypocrisy.

udatso:

Actually, killing apostates in an Islamic state when they haven't committed any treasonable offences is encouraging hypocrisy.
I ask again, have you seen other variations of this hadith you quoted that are classed sahih hadith?
Taking a life of another is not a simple act to be easily ignored especially when the hadith that talk about them are questionable. If Quran isn't in support of killing and the only hadith we have are either not detailed enough or confusing, I see no reason why such hadith should be taken as a revelation.

lexiconkabir:


Bring these Ahadith, lets see them,

But wait! @embolden, i hope i read that right?

lexiconkabir:
Your Question will be answered by theses following points,


(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

Rilwayne001:


This is a very cogent question.

lexiconkabir:


But wait! @embolden, i hope i read that right?

udatso:

.(A)
“WHOEVER CHANGED HIS RELIGION, KILL HIM”
As should become clear in the sequel, the only hadith that legislates or prescribes as a law the death penalty for apostasy is found, with some variations, in Bukhari 2794, 6411, Abu Da`ud 3787, Tirmidhi 1378, Nasa`i 3991-7, Ibn Majah 2526, Ahmad 1776, 2420, 2813 (cf. Ahmad 1802). All these narrations are identical or similar to one of the following five narrations:
A-I)

Abu al-Nu‘man Muhammad ibn al-Fadl related to us: Hammad ibn Zayd related to us from Ayyub from ‘‘Ikrimah who said: “Some Zanadiqah were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. This reached Ibn ‘Abbas and he said: I would not have burnt them because of the prohibition by the Messenger of God: ‘Do not punish with the punishment of God.’ I would have killed them in accordance with the word of the Messenger of God: ‘Whoever changed his religion kill him’.” (Bukhari 9/57=6411)

Narrations similar to the above are also found in Bukhari 2794, Nasa`i 3992, Abu Da`ud 3787, and Ahmad 1775, 2420.
A-II)
Ahmad ibn Muhammad bin Hanbal related to us: Isma‘il bin Ibrahim related to us: Ayyub informed us from ‘Ikrimah that ‘Ali, peace be upon him, burned some people who abandoned Islam. This reached Ibn ‘Abbas and he said: I would not have burnt them with fire. Indeed, the Messenger of God said: ‘Do not punish with the punishment of God.’ I would have killed them in accordance with the word of the Messenger of God. For, surely the Messenger of God said: ‘Whoever changed his religion kill him’.” This reached ‘Ali, peace be upon him, and he said: ‘Woe to Ibn ‘Abbas’. (Abu Da`ud 3787)
A-III)

Ahmad ibn ‘Abdah al-Dabbi al-Basri related to us: ‘Abd al-Wahhab al-Thaqafi related to us: Ayyub related to us from ‘Ikrimah that ‘Ali burned some people who abandoned Islam. This reached Ibn ‘Abbas and he said: I would have killed them in accordance with the word of the Messenger of God: ‘Whoever changed his religion kill him’. I would not have burnt them in view of the word of the Messenger of God: ‘Do not punish with the punishment of God.’ This reached ‘Ali and he said: Ibn ‘Abbas has spoken the truth” (Tirmidhi 1378)

A-IV)
Muhammad bin Muthanna informed us saying: ‘Abd al-Samad related to us saying: Hisham related to us from Qatadah from Anas that ‘Ali was brought with people from al-Zatt who worshipped idols and he burnt them. Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of God said exactly: Whoever changed his religion kill him. (Nasa`i 3997)
A narration similar to the above is also found in Ahmad 2813.
A-V)
حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى عَنْ مَالِك عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَسْلَمَ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ مَنْ غَيَّرَ دِينَهُ فَاضْرِبُوا عُنُقَهُ

Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd bin Aslam that the Messenger of God said: “Whoever changed his religion strike his neck” (Muwatta 1219)
Narrations similar to the above, quoting only the words “Whoever changed his religion …” are also found in Nasa`i 3991, 3993-6, and Ibn Majah 2526.

Newnas:


it cogent to you because you lack the tafseer of the verse and right place to apply it.

Newnas:


I must add a seventh point

# The punishment is only to be carried out by the (Islamic) government not just a group of people filled with emotions and void of knowledge and wisdom! Allah knows best.

udatso:

There was a context to the embolden, taking it in seclusion isn't fair to me ya akh

lexiconkabir:

Ofcourse, jazakAllah!

Newnas:
This apologetic Islam people are practicing is very disappointing and annoying.

The sunnah explains the Quran not you. The hadith says the ruling of a matter is so and so, some of us try to dodge it to please the people.

Know this, no matter how much you manipulate and apologize to the disbelievers, the one who will die on his stray path will not believe.

Demmzy15:

lexiconkabir:


Kilode?

Nothing!

"Is it not the duty of Muslims to make Jihad?" But the purpose of Jihad is not to convert people to Islam. Allah says, "La ikraha fi al-din, no compulsion in religion." (al-Baqarah 2:256)

Newnas:
This apologetic Islam people are practicing is very disappointing and annoying.

The sunnah explains the Quran not you. The hadith says the ruling of a matter is so and so, some of us try to dodge it to please the people.

Know this, no matter how much you manipulate and apologize to the disbelievers, the one who will die on his stray path will not believe.

Seun:
In your view, what is the right punishment for a muslim who says, "I don't want to follow Islam anymore. I want to be a Christian (or Atheist)"?

Antina:


Let assume one of ur siblings change religion, will u kill him or her?

homies100:
Alhamdulillah! Wa sollatul wa sallam, ala nabiyinah Muhammad...pbuh. It is clearly written in the holy quran that;there is no compulsion in religion and also that: ur religion is urs while my religion is mine. On this I want to say whatever the hadith had said about it can be neglected, as the word of Allah(SwT) is superior and it is no match to the hadith...quran is d first first reference point, then hadith and then the word of the 4 imams. aside that there is fatwah and taqwa. If @ all fatwah says kill, we should refer to taqwa Llah, what if the person in question later repents and accept Islam....pls pls pls @ Kabeer don't paint Islam black, remember a lot of both believers and non-believers are reading your comments. May almighty Allah put on the right path.