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thorpido:
My sis,the responsibilty should be shared equally but when the girl can be in a position to get ostracised,then she ought to more responsibility for her sexual health.
I'm not saying the man shouldn't play his role but I'm looking at the scenario as in this thread when he doesn't(or may not).

If abortion were more readily available then there would be fewer single mothers who are unable to find a job because they had to leave school and their family won't help them. The child suffers too because of the lack of money - who knows what kind of horrible things they will go through with no father and no income.

It's better to get an abortion than ruin two people's lives.

blame the women. if the man is not ready, why getting pregnant for him?

mamagee3:
[color=deeppink]Why do men impregnate a girl and then dump/leave her but take their child?[/color]

• • • • • I swear when they will start "mama of nairaland contest" I'll surely vote for u


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mamagee3:
[color=deeppink]Why do men impregnate a girl and then dump/leave her but take their child?[/color]

cos the girl is an slowpoke

foolinlove:
And when contraceptives fail?

abstinence has never failed

foolinlove:
Why? Why does the woman have greater responsibility?

Just because she carries the pregnancy? The man played half the part in getting her pregnant. The responsibility should be shared equally.

she will carry the pregnancy for 9 months which is awful , gets swollen legs, labour pains, wide Pucci, helpless sometimes. unnecessary hormones, boobs become saggy, bigger nose.

there you go. reasons why responsibility can never be equal.

foolinlove:
There are lots of reasons.

One could be that he's not ready for the responsibility of children or condom use. Yet he was ready to shoot his load into a girl.

Funny, the same type of guys often go on and on about how abortion is "morally wrong".

Seems that men can choose their destiny in life, but won't allow a girl the same choice.

It's morally reprehensible to abandon the girl who will mother your children, without providing her with any options.

if it's not rape then what stops her from choosing her own destiny by regulating the sex? what stops her from demanding condom? oh she got carried away. damn they both got carried away.

if they both got carried away then I guess they both chose their destinies.

then the one with "greater responsibility" suffers. as designed by Mother Nature.

dukeprince50:
blame the women. if the man is not ready, why getting pregnant for him?

like seriously?

Owliver:
she will carry the pregnancy for 9 months which is awful , gets swollen legs, labour pains, wide Pucci, helpless sometimes. unnecessary hormones, boobs become saggy, bigger nose.

there you go. reasons why responsibility can never be equal.

Reponsibility to prevent pregnancy is equal between genders. Responsibility for carrying the pregnancy is the female's - obviously. Responsibility for raising and supporting the child *should* be equal between mother and father.

MIKOLOWISKA:
abstinence has never failed

Agreed. So, male or female, if you don't want kids don't have sex.

foolinlove:
Reponsibility to prevent pregnancy is equal between genders. Responsibility for carrying the pregnancy is the female's - obviously. Responsibility for raising and supporting the child *should* be equal between mother and father.

you don't want to give up on this your equality stunts hahaha. when you feed the baby breast milk maybe I will feed the baby boy my urine. since we must "equally" feed him liquid from inside our body.

Owliver:
you don't want to give up on this your equality stunts hahaha. when you feed the baby breast milk maybe I will feed the baby boy my urine. since we must "equally" feed him liquid from inside our body.

Raising and supporting, not breastfeeding.

And males can lactate, not that I'm going to enter that with you. I'm not saying they *should*.

You don't believe in equality, fine. If you're happy with your regressive life, fine. But on an international stage, you are the one who looks foolish.

I don't know why you're so intent on proving me wrong at every turn.

foolinlove:
Raising and supporting, not breastfeeding.

And males can lactate, not that I'm going to enter that with you. I'm not saying they *should*.

You don't believe in equality, fine. If you're happy with your regressive life, fine. But on an international stage, you are the one who looks foolish.

I don't know why you're so intent on proving me wrong at every turn.

am not aggressive. never been. but am intelligent enough to see the flaws in the concept of "equality"

I have given you instances. in any society there can never be equality. family included. someone will have to lead of cos not undermining the potential of others.


that is why we have governments. people must lead people. the moment everyone becomes equal trouble sets in. everybody becomes too big to listen to everybody after all we are equal.

you wonder why the west have high divorce rate? so much for your perfect equality tantrum.

we don't live our lives with the standard of the west. of cos many do but people like me don't. if I did then I'd be no more than a slave unchained. sorry your people enslaved my forefathers. that should be enough.

your people always try to force ideologies on other people cos you are sooo perfect. laughable

Owliver:
am not aggressive. never been. but am intelligent enough to see the flaws in the concept of "equality"

I have given you instances. in any society there can never be equality. family included. someone will have to lead of cos not undermining the potential of others.


that is why we have governments. people must lead people. the moment everyone becomes equal trouble sets in. everybody becomes too big to list to everybody after all we are equal.

you wonder why the west have high divorce rate? so much for your perfect equality tantrum.

we don't live our lives with the standard of the west. of cos many do but people like me don't. if I did then I'd be no more than a slave unchained. sorry your people enslaved my forefathers. that should be enough.

your people always try to force ideologies on other people cos you are sooo perfect. laughable

Of course equality doesn't exist. That's impossible.

Equality of opportunity should exist though.

And you may think you're smart, but I can assure you that if I'm not considered smart on an international level - you definitely aren't.

You are confused. The west isn't perfect, but we've already endured what Africa is going through right now. It was called the middle ages. It didn't work. That's why it changed.

I wish I could exchange the minority hard right groups here for all your homosexuals and feminists.

foolinlove:
Of course equality doesn't exist. That's impossible.

Equality of opportunity should exist though.

And you may think you're smart, but I can assure you that if I'm not considered smart on an international level - you definitely aren't.

You are confused. The west isn't perfect, but we've already endured what Africa is going through right now. It was called the middle ages. It didn't work. That's why it changed.

I wish I could exchange the minority hard right groups here for all your homosexuals and feminists.

Lmaoooo funny. so it's working now? poke nosing in every affair of the world. forcing democracy everywhere, causing war at every corner. selling weapons of mass destruction to every tyrant and terrorist groups, creating wider unrest through out the globe. . yh it's perfectly working.

and for "international" standard? who cares? why do I need to live my life base on standard of a culture Millions of Miles away? I got my own culture and we were living in it without crying for help.

you mean the aboriginals? Lolz pls don't expel them. much theft and damage have been done already against them. change indeed.

foolinlove plsssss stop. I hope your not taking my words personally?

Owliver:
Lmaoooo funny. so it's working now? poke nosing in every affair of the world. forcing democracy everywhere, causing war at every corner. selling weapons of mass destruction to every tyrant and terrorist groups, creating wider unrest through out the globe. . yh it's perfectly working.

and for "international" standard? who cares? why do I need to live my life base on standard of a culture Millions of Miles away? I got my own culture and we were living in it without crying for help.

you mean the aboriginals? Lolz pls don't expel them. much theft and damage have been done already against them. change indeed.

The aim of government here is to provide structure and also protect those in need. The idea of poke nosing may be misguided but a lot of it's done in an attempt to protect the people you villify (as well as oil and all that rubbish).

Things are more complex and multilayered than you can fathom.

If you don't like that, no one is forcing it on you. Live that way. I find it my personal moral responsibility to assist the disenfranchised. To fight for equality of oppprtunity for people less fortunate than I am. It's hard and not popular, buy I do because it would be lazy and selfish of me to throw my hands up and say "oh well, it doesn't affect me, it can't ever change, so I won't even try".

You get angry about the west poke nosing, but you're more than happy to do that to individuals in your own country all the time.

You are a walking contradiction.

Don't blame me as an individual for the decades-old actions of the US government. That place is just as bad as Africa in my view. I never claimed that western life is perfect, but it's certainly a lot freer than eastern life. And I have a lot of freedoms you may not have that I thank God for every day.

Aboriginies? Why do you bring that up? They are the original owners of the Australian land. As recognised by government there. Unfortunately, their people suffer a great deal and it is a complex situation with many issues.

If you consider yourself intelligent, who am I to ruin your fantasy?

Owliver:
foolinlove plsssss stop. I hope your not taking my words personally?

I'm kind of morally outraged at your apathy. I can tell you are relatively well off compared with many others, but that doesn't excuse inaction in my book.

foolinlove:
The aim of government here is to provide structure and also protect those in need. The idea of poke nosing may be misguided but a lot of it's done in an attempt to protect the people you villify (as well as oil and all that rubbish).

Things are more complex and multilayered than you can fathom.

If you don't like that, no one is forcing it on you. Live that way. I find it my personal moral responsibility to assist the disenfranchised. To fight for equality of oppprtunity for people less fortunate than I am. It's hard and not popular, buy I do because it would be lazy and selfish of me to throw my hands up and say "oh well, it doesn't affect me, it can't ever change, so I won't even try".

You get angry about the west poke nosing, but you're more than happy to do that to individuals in your own country all the time.

You are a walking contradiction.

Don't blame me as an individual for the decades-old actions of the US government. That place is just as bad as Africa in my view. I never claimed that western life is perfect, but it's certainly a lot freer than eastern life. And I have a lot of freedoms you may not have that I thank God for every day.

Aboriginies? Why do you bring that up? They are the original owners of the Australian land. As recognised by government there. Unfortunately, their people suffer a great deal and it is a complex situation with many issues.

If you consider yourself intelligent, who am I to ruin your fantasy?

I won't reply your post cos if I do we go on and on and on.

you believe you are intelligent so do I. trouble. cos no one amongst us wants to accept being wrong.

we are friends and I don't want to ruin that on the altar of right and wrong. but you should understand this is a Nigerian forum so you are going to get lots of conflicting views about issues.

let me back out from this one. like "agree to disagree"

Owliver:
I won't reply your post cos if I do we go on and on and on.

you believe you are intelligent so do I. trouble. cos no one amongst us wants to accept being wrong.

we are friends and I don't want to ruin that on the altar of right and wrong. but you should understand this is a Nigerian forum so you are going to get lots of conflicting views about issues.

let me back out from this one. like "agree to disagree"

That's the thing. I'm not intelligent...

foolinlove:
I'm kind of morally outraged at your apathy. I can tell you are relatively well off compared with many others, but that doesn't excuse inaction in my book.

hahahahaha sorry if I disappoint you.

usually I don't care if someone fvcks a kettle or a car engine or a ceiling fan. but I respect the demand of the majority. that is democracy.

the west have this attitude if dictating to other and that I HATE.

so, am not really against the illusion pf "freedom" and "equality" but I call a spade a spade.

foolinlove:
That's the thing. I'm not intelligent...

there you go again.

when two people put out points from different perspective. demanding it as the right way. he or she consciously or unconsciously believes his/her view is the right one. thereby, affirming "intelligence"

They are just being wicked, what is the cost of condom?

Owliver:
there you go again.

when two people put out points from different perspective. demanding it as the right way. he or she consciously or unconsciously believes his/her view is the right one. thereby, affirming "intelligence"

It depends what you define as intelligence.

I'm talking intelligence as in a combination of intellectual traits, not intelligence: n/ information.

Some really stupid people are right some of the time. Knowing something isn't the only indicator of intelligence.

Part of the reason in here is to sharpen my mind. Be a bit more worldly... I can tell you, Nigeria has taken me back to my study of the middle ages. Burning witches, rights for the rich alone et al.

Lol.

foolinlove:
It depends what you define as intelligence.

I'm talking intelligence as in a combination of intellectual traits, not intelligence: n/ information.

Some really stupid people are right some of the time. Knowing something isn't the only indicator of intelligence.

Part of the reason in here is to sharpen my mind. Be a bit more worldly... I can tell you, Nigeria has taken me back to my study of the middle ages. Burning witches, rights for the rich alone et al.

Lol.

looooolz funny but good for you. I have never had nice debates online and offline like i do with you. although I disagree much of what you say but it helps me understand perspective from a different angle and also sharpens my psychological and philosophical thought process.

everything has an answer subject to relativity . only if we look deeper than we already "know"

if you got any more debates bring it on let me whoop you as usual.

Owliver:
looooolz funny but good for you. I have never had nice debates online and offline like i do with you. although I disagree much of what you say but it helps me understand perspective from a different angle and also sharpens my psychological and philosophical thought process.

everything has an answer subject to relativity . only if we look deeper than we already "know"

if you got any more debates bring it on let me whoop you as usual.

I don't know if it's possible.

You seem to operate on belief systems. I operate on evidence based systems.

The two are often at odds and I sont

Owliver:
looooolz funny but good for you. I have never had nice debates online and offline like i do with you. although I disagree much of what you say but it helps me understand perspective from a different angle and also sharpens my psychological and philosophical thought process.

everything has an answer subject to relativity . only if we look deeper than we already "know"

if you got any more debates bring it on let me whoop you as usual.

I don't know if it's possible.

You seem to operate on belief systems. I operate on evidence based systems.

The two are often at odds and I don't know if they can be easily reconciled.

foolinlove:
I don't know if it's possible.

You seem to operate on belief systems. I operate on evidence based systems.

The two are often at odds and I don't know if they can be easily reconciled.

Nigeria operates on belief system not me. psychology is my thing.

I don't subscribe to organized religion. I have suppressed to S reasonable extent the tool of organized religion. fear.

have you been to religion section. you'd see lots of atheists. though I believe in the God concept but differently.

Owliver:
Nigeria operates on belief system not me. psychology is my thing.

I don't subscribe to organized religion. I have suppressed to S reasonable extent the tool of organized religion. fear.

have you been to religion section. you'd see lots of atheists. though I believe in the God concept but differently.

I don't subscribe to psychology. Psychiatry is more my thing - evidence based.

Organised religion can be and is a method of societal control, but in the west it's been allowed to evolve into a more personalised approach to help individuals rather than control the unwashed masses.

I've been looking at the religion section. Bigotry amazes me. I'm not an atheist, but I value their wager over Pascal's.

foolinlove:
I don't subscribe to psychology. Psychiatry is more my thing - evidence based.

Organised religion can be and is a method of societal control, but in the west it's been allowed to evolve into a more personalised approach to help individuals rather than control the unwashed masses.

I've been looking at the religion section. Bigotry amazes me. I'm not an atheist, but I value their wager over Pascal's.

ahan there's evidence in psychology. anyone who doesn't see reasons when properly enlightened with basic psychology is below low in intelligence trust me.

so you even understand the usefulness of religion and you've been tackling me all along.

we don't want lots of people running around with no purpose. whao that could be disastrous for our society especially spiced up with wide spread poverty.

well, Nigeria or Africa don't believe religion is supposed to evolve especially the Muslims. we even consider you west as soddom and Gomorrah which of cos its true.

you brought it to us as a means of control. now we are so addicted looolz

Owliver:
ahan there's evidence in psychology. anyone who doesn't see reasons when properly enlightened with basic psychology is below low in intelligence trust me.

so you even understand the usefulness of religion and you've been tackling me all along.

we don't want lots of people running around with no purpose. whao that could be disastrous for our society especially spiced up with wide spread poverty.

well, Nigeria or Africa don't believe religion is supposed to evolve especially the Muslims. we even consider you west as soddom and Gomorrah which of cos its true.

you brought it to us as a means of control. now we are so addicted looolz

Religion can be useful for control, but I didn't say it was right.

People had religion in the stone ages - not as we know it today, but religion nonetheless.

It's just a way of explaining things that people don't understand. Then it evolved into a method of control. Then it evolved again - in the weat at least. People started to think that maybe it wasn't right to mistreat the weak, that maybe God forgives and loves, that maybe it was up to God to judge alone... yknow, how it says in the bible. Religion in the west is now a means to personal fulfillment.

I don't really like psychology. "Evidence" is very limited, very biased and gets debunked almost as soon as it is published. There is far too much variation in society and culture to be able to attribute any real meaning to any grand psychological claims. Freud was a giant douche and I can't actually think of any renowned psychologist I respect.

Philosophy is different. It's interesting and abstract.

Psychiatry is the hard stuff. Evidence. Medicine. Brain things. I love it.

foolinlove:
Religion can be useful for control, but I didn't say it was right.

People had religion in the stone ages - not as we know it today, but religion nonetheless.

It's just a way of explaining things that people don't understand. Then it evolved into a method of control. Then it evolved again - in the weat at least. People started to think that maybe it wasn't right to mistreat the weak, that maybe God forgives and loves, that maybe it was up to God to judge alone... yknow, how it says in the bible. Religion in the west is now a means to personal fulfillment.

I don't really like psychology. "Evidence" is very limited, very biased and gets debunked almost as soon as it is published. There is far too much variation in society and culture to be able to attribute any real meaning to any grand psychological claims. Freud was a giant douche and I can't actually think of any renowned psychologist I respect.

Philosophy is different. It's interesting and abstract.

Psychiatry is the hard stuff. Evidence. Medicine. Brain things. I love it.

so everything o have been telling have not been making sense because no evidence? is inflation, deflation, value, respect, etc not abstract? does that mean they are false looolz.

I need to do some debunking.

hey even Abraham Moslow theory of need and the concept of wants are wrong. but how can a black dude from Nigeria say that.