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KingEbukaNaija:
Just hold on .. ifenes , is consciousness eternal or not ?

By the way , he is an atheist .

Being aware/being conscious is eternal. Which means you are the God you are trying to prove exists.

How Nairaland christians (UyiIredia, Kingebukasblog, kingebukanaija and winner01) argue


Step 1. Make half baked argument- Consciousness is not physical therefore God

Step 2. Wait for atheists to point out the flaws in your argument

Step 3. Claim that the atheists did not fully address your argument and claim the win

Step 4. Wait for the christian cavalry to come and praise you for defeating the silly atheists.

Step 5. Pat yourself on the back for doing God's work by defeating atheists in argument

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On the topic of this thread, how the hell is consciousness not physical? What is consciousness without the brain? What are thoughts without vision?

JackBizzle:
How Nairaland christians (UyiIredia, Kingebukasblog, kingebukanaija and winner01) argue


Step 1. Make half baked argument- Consciousness is not physical therefore God

Step 2. Wait for atheists to point out the flaws in your argument

Step 3. Claim that the atheists did not fully address your argument and claim the win

Step 4. Wait for the christian cavalry to come and praise you for defeating the silly atheists.

Step 5. Pat yourself on the back for doing God's work by defeating atheists in argument

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On the topic of this thread, how the hell is consciousness not physical? What is consciousness without the brain? What are thoughts without vision?

By definition consciousness is not physical. Consciousness is dependent on the brain, but just because that's the case does not make it physical.

KingEbukaNaija:
If you want to see miracles visit the Lord's Chosen and stop being querulous . If you don't want to heed to the advice , don't mention me and become an atheist . Its your life , your choice but when the bad consequence comes knocking , just remember you had to chance to choose but you rejected it .

Like i care.

UyiIredia:
By definition consciousness is not physical. Consciousness is dependent on the brain, but just because that's the case does not make it physical.

So have you been able to prove God so far?
Cos all I see are arguments that does not in anyway settle the existence of God as your title claims. So what is happening?

Calling atheists fools does not make God exists. I see a lot of insults and mockery, but I don't see any points being made that proves God.

Vicoch:
Like i care.

Ask them a straight forward question and they end up with subtle or direct threats.

He is advertising Lord's Chosen, someone else will tell you it is mountain of fire, another will say it is CAC, yet NONE of them can visit that boy whose eyes were plucked by ritualists and lay hands on him so he would see. NONE of them can go to the emergency ward of an hospital and pray for accident victims and get immediate results.
You see people coming to give false testimonies, giving god glory that they took medications and got healed. Was that how Jesus healed people? And yet Jesus promised that we would do greater works than he did.

HardMirror:
So have you been able to prove God so far?
Cos all I see are arguments that does not in anyway settle the existence of God as your title claims. So what is happening?

Calling atheists fools does not make God exists. I see a lot of insults and mockery, but I don't see any points being made that proves God.

When you get around to knowing that consciousness isn't physical call me. Till then you can remain blinded by your materialism.

JackBizzle:
How Nairaland christians (UyiIredia, Kingebukasblog, kingebukanaija and winner01) argue


Step 1. Make half baked argument- Consciousness is not physical therefore God

Step 2. Wait for atheists to point out the flaws in your argument

Step 3. Claim that the atheists did not fully address your argument and claim the win

Step 4. Wait for the christian cavalry to come and praise you for defeating the silly atheists.

Step 5. Pat yourself on the back for doing God's work by defeating atheists in argument

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On the topic of this thread, how the hell is consciousness not physical? What is consciousness without the brain? What are thoughts without vision?

Don't be decieved kingebukablog is operating at least 4 accounts. I noticed the pattern of how they reply each other and how the replies seem to follow though all threads
How can a man be using dishonesty to promote a religion that claims to be founded on truth.
Using Hate to promote a religion that claims to be love.

UyiIredia:
When you get around to knowing that consciousness isn't physical call me. Till then you can remain blinded by your materialism.

Is that all?
I thought you had hard evidences to present.
*hisses*
I guess it did not go as you planned. You thought we would be confused on the matter.

If you have anything tangible to say, say it. Insults and mockery does not prove God. Got it?

4everGod:
Show me your statistical proof.

Source:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/27/168144785/an-evolutionary-whodunit-how-did-humans-develop-lactose-tolerance

4everGod:
All men can digest milk. What they cannot digest is the lactose content. Get your facts right.

What?

HardMirror:
Ask them a straight forward question and they end up with subtle or direct threats.

He is advertising Lord's Chosen, someone else will tell you it is mountain of fire, another will say it is CAC, yet NONE of them can visit that boy whose eyes were plucked by ritualists and lay hands on him so he would see. NONE of them can go to the emergency ward of an hospital and pray for accident victims and get immediate results.
You see people coming to give false testimonies, giving god glory that they took medications and got healed. Was that how Jesus healed people? And yet Jesus promised that we would do greater works than he did.

That's it.....I just can't keep wondering.

CoolUsername:
Source:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/27/168144785/an-evolutionary-whodunit-how-did-humans-develop-lactose-tolerance

You seem not to have studied even the very link you sent me. You are blinded with everything scientists say without checking out the way they coin their words.

Advice: take a pen and a paper and write out how many times in the link you see the words

PERHAPS
PROBABLY
SUGGEST OR I SUGGEST
COULD BE
MIGHT BE
ASSUMING


then come back and respond.

Science does a lot of assuming and evolution is a test case. They assumed x must have happened so probably caused y to occur. Read your link again.

And I maintain that everyone can digest milk. Its the lactose content many are intolerant to.

CoolUsername:
What?

You have time for that ignoramus.

CoolUsername:
Source:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/27/168144785/an-evolutionary-whodunit-how-did-humans-develop-lactose-tolerance

But around 8,000 years ago in what's now Turkey — just when humans were starting to milk newly domesticated cows, goats and sheep — mutations near the gene that produces the lactase enzyme started becoming more frequent. And around the same time, adult lactose tolerance developed. The mutation responsible for that may be between 2,000 and 20,000 years old; estimates vary.


That is from your link. 8000 years ago who even knew what lactose was and whl documented the nutation? Then at the bottom there he gives an ambiguous figure and says "the mutation responsible for that MAY BE between 2000 and 20000 years old" and you believe these guys?

I can see you are buying into his story of assumptions and imaginations and probabilities.

Goodluck.

HardMirror:
You have time for that ignoramus.

Says the oaf who couldnt put 2 and 2 together as a self acclaimed super intelligent Atheist.

4everGod:
Says the oaf who couldnt put 2 and 2 together as a self acclaimed super intelligent Atheist.

Have you been able to prove your God's existence using Consciousness as an illustration?
Address that first then we will discuss intelligence later. Or calling me an oaf has proven your God?

Vicoch:
That's it.....I just can't keep wondering.

Vicoch its up to you to believe what yoh wish because everyone can only speak from their personal experience. Personally I have visited a lot of hospitals and prayed for people with fibroid, cancer, terminally ill and they got healed. Nobody can pray for accident victims in emergency wards as you would not be allowed in. However I have prayed for two or three with broken limbs who were in recovery wards and they healed faster than when doctors projected and even for one with a spinal cord injury and was already confined to a wheelchair and she got up and walked for the first time in 3 months of being in a wheelchair.... this was in doren specialist hospital ajah specifically.

You see people can only speak from what they knkw and they would rebel against either what they cannot understand or are afraid of.

I can share with you my experiences as a believer and how these experiences have shapped my life to serve God even more.

Example; I remember when God called me into ministry. I just finished attending a program at Church of God mission amuwo odofin and the Preacher (Bishop isaac nwoji) prayed a simple prayer. He said all those whom God wishes to use here God should separate them. I have never fallen under the anointing in my life not even when laid hands on and right where I stood all I could remember was seeing myself on the ground with tears running down my face. In the entire church only 2 of use fell under the anointing. A young lady cecelia by name and myself. That young lady is a solid preacher of the gospel today in Abraka delta state.

I got home that night and at around 10pm I wanted to sleep and as my head touched the pillow I heard a loud voice in my head as if a bomb went off say to me " you want to sleep while my children perish...get up!) I jumped up. Note I have never preached to a soul before because I didnr have the boldness bur suddenly I dont know where the boldness came from and I left the house at that hour of the night and went out into the streets to do the equivalent of morning cry at night. I preached till almost 12 and got home. My dad was a disciplinarian so we were all afraid of him. When he saw me and asked where I was coming from...again boldness I never had came on me and I told him " papa repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, give your life to Jesus" . Its a long story. I think I will open a thread on it and invite you to read.

God bless you.

plaetton:
I think you are mistaken conscience for consciousness.

Consciousness evolves.Take yourself , for example, when did you become conscious?
While in the womb or after you were born? At exactly what stage in your biological growth did you become conscious and self aware?

Would you say that your level of consciousness at 6months, 1 yr, 5 yrs , 8 yrs and now through adulthood have remained the same, or has evolved along with you biological development, environment, culture, education and social exposures ?

Everything evolves, my friend.
Change ( evolution) is the only CONSTANT in the universe.

Culture, education and knowledge are all material, quantifiable hence subject to change. Consciousness is immaterial, intangible and can't be subject to evolution, 'cause the evolution in question is a physical process.

Even if consciousness is subject to evolution, at what point did man became conscious. Am not talking abt baby in the womb, am talking abt the first man, the primordial man.

JackBizzle:
How Nairaland christians (UyiIredia, Kingebukasblog, kingebukanaija and winner01) argue


Step 1. Make half baked argument- Consciousness is not physical therefore God

Step 2. Wait for atheists to point out the flaws in your argument

Step 3. Claim that the atheists did not fully address your argument and claim the win

Step 4. Wait for the christian cavalry to come and praise you for defeating the silly atheists.

Step 5. Pat yourself on the back for doing God's work by defeating atheists in argument

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On the topic of this thread, how the hell is consciousness not physical? What is consciousness without the brain? What are thoughts without vision?

And he continues the show of ignorance - "how the hell is consciousness not physical " . Consciousness is not physical , is self awareness tangible , or seen , heard , tasted , or smelt ?

4everGod:
Vicoch its up to you to believe what yoh wish because everyone can only speak from their personal experience. Personally I have visited a lot of hospitals and prayed for people with fibroid, cancer, terminally ill and they got healed. Nobody can pray for accident victims in emergency wards as you would not be allowed in. However I have prayed for two or three with broken limbs who were in recovery wards and they healed faster than when doctors projected and even for one with a spinal cord injury and was already confined to a wheelchair and she got up and walked for the first time in 3 months of being in a wheelchair.... this was in doren specialist hospital ajah specifically.

You see people can only speak from what they knkw and they would rebel against either what they cannot understand or are afraid of.

I can share with you my experiences as a believer and how these experiences have shapped my life to serve God even more.

Example; I remember when God called me into ministry. I just finished attending a program at Church of God mission amuwo odofin and the Preacher (Bishop isaac nwoji) prayed a simple prayer. He said all those whom God wishes to use here God should separate them. I have never fallen under the anointing in my life not even when laid hands on and right where I stood all I could remember was seeing myself on the ground with tears running down my face. In the entire church only 2 of use fell under the anointing. A young lady cecelia by name and myself. That young lady is a solid preacher of the gospel today in Abraka delta state.

I got home that night and at around 10pm I wanted to sleep and as my head touched the pillow I heard a loud voice in my head as if a bomb went off say to me " you want to sleep while my children perish...get up!) I jumped up. Note I have never preached to a soul before because I didnr have the boldness bur suddenly I dont know where the boldness came from and I left the house at that hour of the night and went out into the streets to do the equivalent of morning cry at night. I preached till almost 12 and got home. My dad was a disciplinarian so we were all afraid of him. When he saw me and asked where I was coming from...again boldness I never had came on me and I told him " papa repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, give your life to Jesus" . Its a long story. I think I will open a thread on it and invite you to read.

God bless you.

Can amputees, blind, deaf and dumb be healed?

Because i have never seen it before oh, and Jesus said any thing you request in my name shall be answered.

HardMirror:
Don't be decieved kingebukablog is operating at least 4 accounts. I noticed the pattern of how they reply each other and how the replies seem to follow though all threads
How can a man be using dishonesty to promote a religion that claims to be founded on truth.
Using Hate to promote a religion that claims to be love.

There are many King ebukas on Nairaland , so you are talking rubbish . By the way , what concerns you with the way anyone chooses to use Nairaland

Vicoch:
Can amputees, blind, deaf and dumb be healed?

Because i have never seen it before oh, and Jesus said any thing you request in my name shall be answered.

For God's sake that is why I said come to the Lords Chosen if you want to see all this miracles korokoro , bring any of your family members that are deaf , dumb , blind , crippled or even an amputee . Stop complaining and take action !

4everGod:
Advice: take
You seem not to have studied even the very link you sent me. You are blinded with everything scientists say without checking out the way they coin their words.

a pen and a paper and write out how many times in the link you see the words

PERHAPS
PROBABLY
SUGGEST OR I SUGGEST
COULD BE
MIGHT BE
ASSUMING


then come back and respond.

Science does a lot of assuming and evolution is a test case. They assumed x must have happened so proboably caused y to occur. Read your link again.

And I maintain that everyone can digest milk. Its the lactose content many are intolerant to.

oh so you dont totally agree with scientist on this buh you were quick to refer me to how they discover that consciousness works without the brain

please go back and read that discovery again they said only 39% of the people tested were conscious and they all gave different account, some seeing only light (hallucination) etc

bro in this one too they were not sure o, abeg I give you back your very sentence
You seem not to have studied even the very link you sent me. You are blinded with everything scientists say without checking out the way they coin their words.

KingEbukaNaija:
For God's sake that is why I said come to the Lords Chosen if you want to see all this miracles korokoro , bring any of your family members that are deaf , dumb , blind , crippled or even an amputee . Stop complaining and take action !

and pigs fly.......seems like i am wasting my time... :\

Vicoch:
Can amputees, blind, deaf and dumb be healed?

Because i have never seen it before oh, and Jesus said any thing you request in my name shall be answered.

All your questions will be answered in my nee thread. I already tagged u

4everGod:
All your questions will be answered in my nee thread. I already tagged u

Your new thread is dead on arrival. Your reputation precedes you.
You are an evangelist and you have been so randy so far on nairaland. You fall my hand.

Even tho I am an atheist, I feel bad many of you are using your own hands to destroy christianity. You are one of the reasons why the church is a joke unlike the church of Acts.

HardMirror:
Is that all?
I thought you had hard evidences to present.
*hisses*
I guess it did not go as you planned. You thought we would be confused on the matter.

If you have anything tangible to say, say it. Insults and mockery does not prove God. Got it?

You can see and hear someone wearing a shoe but you can't likewise see or hear consciousness. Keep on being blind. You seem to like it.

HardMirror:
Your new thread is dead on arrival. Your reputation precedes you.
You are an evangelist and you have been so randy so far on nairaland. You fall my hand.

Even tho I am an atheist, I feel bad many of you are using your own hands to destroy christianity. You are one of the reasons why the church is a joke unlike the church of Acts.

I guess speaking the truth translates to me being randy. My emotions are so detached from whag I write here.

I did not create the thread for you to criticize or for it to be popular as those who wish to identify with the truth are already trying to reach out privately. You said you are no longer a believer so kindly hop over it and look elsewhere. It isnt the first thread on personal experiences with God I have created here and the first one got me bombarded privately with people who sought after God and needed relief and God has been wonderful.

As much ad your threads or mine are concerned let those who wish to be blessed or who do not choose which would soothe their desires.

If you observe from my threads I use less of scripture but more of reason to discuss as the scripture is blind to those who do not know Jesus. Everyone has their way. You do and did and I do so once again look elsewhere for your personal entertainment and let others pick their battles.

Thank you.

4everGod:
I guess speaking the truth translates to me being randy. My emotions are so detached from whag I write here.

I did not create the thread for you to criticize or for it to be popular as those who wish to identify with the truth are already trying to reach out privately. You said you are no longer a believer so kindly hop over it and look elsewhere. It isnt the first thread on personal experiences with God I have created here and the first one got me bombarded privately with people who sought after God and needed relief and God has been wonderful.

As much ad your threads or mine are concerned let those who wish to be blessed or who do not choose which would soothe their desires.

If you observe from my threads I use less of scripture but more of reason to discuss as the scripture is blind to those who do not know Jesus. Everyone has their way. You do and did and I do so once again look elsewhere for your personal entertainment and let others pick their battles.

Thank you.

At last you talk with some sense unlike before, guess you are trying to redeem your image.
Much more better

UyiIredia:
You can see and hear someone wearing a shoe but you can't likewise see or hear consciousness. Keep on being blind. You seem to like it.

Have you proved god yet? Or are we still on this shoe and consciousness talk.
Prove God quick and stop wasting time

HardMirror:
Have you proved god yet? Or are we still on this shoe and consciousness talk.
Prove God quick and stop wasting time

I have already proven God in the OP. If that's not satisfactory then you can wait till you die. Then you'll know there's a God for sure when u find yourself in the afterlife.